tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post3454508264195435808..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Marty PeretzUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62193716574207888062014-12-09T05:55:27.470-08:002014-12-09T05:55:27.470-08:00When I went up to Harvard graduate school in 1959 ...When I went up to Harvard graduate school in 1959 (Classics dept) I met Peretz who "took me up" for a few weeks. The only detail I remember was going with Marty, late at night after drinking hours (2am) to an Italian restaurant in Boston where he pointed out various politicians and mobsters and wine was served in club soda bottles. Unfortunately, he was given to making occasional deprecating (really self-deprecating) comments about my New York city Jewish background (which he shared). I was not unfamiliar with this neurosis. My reaction was that I had not moved to Cambridge to be the object of that kind of abuse so I backed off. I didn't notice any homosexual overtones although his overtures of friendship were somewhat over the top (at least in terms of Harvard manners) and flattering. His candor was very refreshing and our intelligences were well matched. I regretted the loss of the friendship but I was not prepared to countenance sharing occasional self-hate sessions. Michael Eisenstadthttp://www.charlesumlauf.com/storyline.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58547365626983458872011-01-30T21:44:07.268-08:002011-01-30T21:44:07.268-08:00I believe the Frank prostitution scandal was linke...I believe the Frank prostitution scandal was linked to the Craig Spence ring. There's a good collection of WashTimes articles somewhere online.<br /><br />At the same time, is there any possible sex scandal today that would bring down a prominent homosexual Democrat? Being caught in bed with a woman wouldn't do it. They might even get away with underage sex. Are they as immune from shame & legal repercussions as I suspect they are?<br /><br />"seemingly inexplicable actions are usually regarded as the best initial evidence for the existence of some otherwise undetected force..."<br /><br />Sexual favoritism is also a powerful force. It's not just blackmail.<br /><br />As for the J. Edgar Hoover rumors, the Mitrokhin archive indicates that these rumors were part of a deliberate Soviet plot. I wonder if Truman Capote was deliberately chosen as a vector for this rumor?Silencenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60715760066527325692011-01-30T20:40:34.416-08:002011-01-30T20:40:34.416-08:00Bruce Banner, use the GSS.
ROW: SEXSEX5 (sex of pa...Bruce Banner, use the GSS.<br />ROW: SEXSEX5 (sex of partners for the last five years)<br />COLUMN: RELIGKID (what religion you were raised in)<br />FILTER: SEX(1) (just male respondents)<br /><br />I found that those raised as Jews were somewhat more likely (3% gay, 5.7% bi) than Catholics (2%, 1.3%) and Protestants (1.6%, 1.6%) to have male partners, but Orthodox Christians (8.5%, 16.5%) were much more so, though they had a fairly small sample size.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34421332227610759382011-01-30T17:47:08.902-08:002011-01-30T17:47:08.902-08:00Simon in London: But what I saw in London politics...Simon in London: <i>But what I saw in London politics was a huge number of gays in the lowest levels of politics, long before there was any question of them being worth manipulating...So IME it's not that gays reach the highest echelons at a disproportionate rate; at least among urban pols, a disproportionate number are gay to start with.</i><br /> <br />I certainly agree that this is also an important factor. It seems pretty clear that gay men tend to have the personality traits that incline them towards political activism, and other sorts of "flamboyancy", irrespective of ideology. This is closely probably related to their massive over-represented among actors and popular entertainers.<br /><br />Also, I think the landscape might be a little different in Europe. There, parties of the Right often had quasi-aristocratic roots, and my impression is that homosexuality tended to be pretty closely linked with the aristocracy for several centuries. And in England, there's obviously the "public school" tradition, with its widespread homosexuality, on the Tory side. Meanwhile, until the last few decades, parties of the Left in Europe were usually rooted in the working classes, which tended to be much more hostile to such sexual orientations.<br /><br />But neither of these factors really applies much in American politics. The bottom line is that something like 80% or 90% of gay voters and gay activists are (quite naturally) affiliated with the "pro-gay" party, while (assuming widespread rumors are true) probably 80%-90% of the most politically prominent gays in America are found in the top ranks of the "anti-gay" party. This seems awfully peculiar, and raises all sorts of suspicions that something intentional might be happening behind the scenes. As a close analogy, consider that something like 95% of American blacks (and maybe 80% of non-whites in general) support the Democrats, and think how strange it might be if many of the most prominent and highly visible Republican leaders fell into this non-white category---ha, ha, ha...<br /><br />In science, seemingly inexplicible actions are usually regarded as the best initial evidence for the existence of some otherwise undetected force...RKUnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42129698952160171562011-01-30T11:08:09.617-08:002011-01-30T11:08:09.617-08:00"So IME it's not that gays reach the high..."So IME it's not that gays reach the highest echelons at a disproportionate rate; at least among urban pols, a disproportionate number are gay to start with."<br /><br />Why should this surprise anyone? Gays traditionally don't go into work that requires manly labor unless it's landscaping.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86619220069073298032011-01-30T11:05:03.137-08:002011-01-30T11:05:03.137-08:00"I can definitely see Shep Smith being homose..."I can definitely see Shep Smith being homosexual. Or an alien, for that matter."<br /><br />I don't know if you're joking or not, but of course, Shep Smith *is* gay and who in the heck other than maybe little old great-grandmother sorts can't tell that he is? The giggling, the hyperbole, the need to try to turn through his "narration" every damn story that isn't about murder or mayhem into some kind of high school drama, the exasperated looks (oh, he just loves to roll his eyes and shrug those shoulders)and sighs. Oh, and how can I forget to mention his constant references to Ole Miss football and NY Yankee basesball and those cute boys who play for both. (He loves him some Derek Jeter.)<br /><br />When they finally identify the cause of homosexuality, I am willing to bet that the small part of the brain ablated also controls some kind of mechanism responsible for regulating mood. How else to explain the silliness?<br /><br />At least Anderson Cooper *tries* to control himself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16413360883853017172011-01-30T02:41:23.592-08:002011-01-30T02:41:23.592-08:00Svigor:
"I can definitely see Shep Smith bein...Svigor:<br />"I can definitely see Shep Smith being homosexual."<br /><br />I have heard this from people who claim to know him. <br /><br />Personally I've liked Shep since his Hurricane Katrina on-site coverage, which punctured Fox News' attempts to downplay the disaster and the failure of FEMA.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21411144964783271152011-01-30T02:10:29.606-08:002011-01-30T02:10:29.606-08:00I think George W could be a malleable political to...I think George W could be a malleable political tool without being gay. Possibly his substance-abusing past was relevant. But the most important factor for a pol is whether they *want* to be a malleable political tool.<br /><br />It might be that because closted gay pols are living one lie, it affects their sense of integrity and makes it easier for them to take on more lies.<br /><br />But what I saw in London politics was a huge number of gays in the lowest levels of politics, long before there was any question of them being worth manipulating. Eg my local council ward's councillors used to be 2/3 gay (in a mostly working class area around half Muslim & Tamil Hindu). <br /><br />So IME it's not that gays reach the highest echelons at a disproportionate rate; at least among urban pols, a disproportionate number are gay to start with.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29529970011714641982011-01-30T01:26:51.834-08:002011-01-30T01:26:51.834-08:00Wow, I didn't know Wolf Blitzer was an old gay...<i>Wow, I didn't know Wolf Blitzer was an old gay Jewish man</i><br /><br />I can definitely see Shep Smith being homosexual. Or an alien, for that matter.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11062206090558734502011-01-30T01:23:44.872-08:002011-01-30T01:23:44.872-08:00Swap "add" and "subtract" ther...Swap "add" and "subtract" there for better clarity...Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15266675211603292812011-01-30T01:22:35.736-08:002011-01-30T01:22:35.736-08:00BTW, let me answer the question before anyone asks...<i>BTW, let me answer the question before anyone asks it. Why do I love the Jews? For the same reason I love the Brits, for their numerous contributions to our culture and civilization. I mean, where would we be without them?</i><br /><br />I find that hard to believe. If you base the argument on math, as you have done, you should demonstrate the ability to add, as well as subtract.<br /><br />Otherwise, I'm reminded of the scene in <i>Coming to America</i> where Arsenio Hall puts his chicken bone in the collection plate; not every "contribution" is of positive valuable.<br /><br />Perhaps more to the point, the more "Jewish" Jewish contributions become, the greater their negative value.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91009855773958844232011-01-29T20:39:45.003-08:002011-01-29T20:39:45.003-08:00"A plausible hypothesis behind these seemingl..."A plausible hypothesis behind these seemingly backward statistics is that gay Republicans are very vulnerable while gay Democratcs are much less so, hence the former are much more likely to serve as malleable political tools for others."<br /><br />Interesting hypothesis. I wonder if it applies to George W.?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24925320727203083842011-01-29T17:41:30.410-08:002011-01-29T17:41:30.410-08:00Silence: "How many Republican politicos are v...Silence: "How many Republican politicos are victims of sexual blackmail I wonder?"<br /><br />That's exactly correct, and the main reason the problem is much more practical than merely prurient.<br /><br />Consider perhaps the most prominent gay Democrat, Barney Frank. Back a couple of decades ago, he was hit by a major sexual scandal, namely that one of his boyfriends was running a male prostitution ring out of Frank's home or something like that. Frank was bombarded with a lot of negative headlines and was officially reprimanded by the full House, but since he was elected by the "pro-gay party," it didn't really damage him politically, and he never faced a serious challenge in his own district. After a couple of years, pretty much everyone forgot about the matter. But just imagine what would have happened to him if he'd been a member of the "anti-gay party," i.e. the Republicans. And imagine the sort of blackmail power which such evidence would have held over one of the most powerful members of the House.<br /><br />Consider the interesting historical case of J. Edgar Hoover, who served as head of the FBI for a full half-century. It's widely believed that Hoover had accumulated massive blackmail material against most of the leading political figures in the country over the decades, and this was an important reason no president ever dared to replace him. <br /><br />Meanwhile, it's also every widely believed that Hoover himself was homosexual and some people also believe his hidden family tree was part black; both these theories seem pretty plausible to me. Strangely enough, despite Hoover's longstanding role as America's top law enforcement officer, he always denied the existence of the Mafia, claiming it was just a myth, and under him the FBI seemed to allocate relatively few resources to combat organized crime, which seems a bit peculiar. I strongly suspect that blackmail is a weapon that can be used in both directions.<br /><br />As for the present day situation, I've noticed an intriguing correlation between the widespread suspicion that some prominent Republican or conservative is secretly gay and the tendency of that individual to follow strange and mysterious political twists and turns, taking positions which might seem ideologically inexpicable at first glance. In most of these cases, I suspect that correlation does indeed imply causality.<br /><br />Taking this analysis a step further, I doubt it is entirely coincidental that so many of the conservatives and Republicans who tend to reach the top ranks of influence and power possess such massive personal vulnerability. By contrast, gays seem much less over-represented among leading Democrats, even though gay voters and activists are so overwhelmingly concentrated in that party. A plausible hypothesis behind these seemingly backward statistics is that gay Republicans are very vulnerable while gay Democratcs are much less so, hence the former are much more likely to serve as malleable political tools for others.RKUnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22297489712045725062011-01-29T16:10:25.572-08:002011-01-29T16:10:25.572-08:00Not sure that Gore is gay- he doesn't really h...Not sure that Gore is gay- he doesn't really have a reputation for flamboyant theatrics. Then again, he did have a thing for Chads hanging in Miami.Williamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39508365890993146552011-01-29T15:56:02.846-08:002011-01-29T15:56:02.846-08:00"I have long-since concluded that when divers..."I have long-since concluded that when diversity meets freedom, freedom loses."<br /><br /> -Only in recent historyWesleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82902751946929072092011-01-29T15:05:35.643-08:002011-01-29T15:05:35.643-08:00"I have noticed in the gay community that ..."I have noticed in the gay community that 'tops' tend to be conservative,( align with authority figures, more at ease in the masculine sphere) They tend to have more brothers than sisters.<br />'Bottoms' tend to be left wing, (challenge authority figures ,but align more with women) have more sisters than brothers."<br /><br />Kinky friends of mine (you'd be surprised what Northern nerds get up to in their off hours) tell me that submissive men tend to be poorly endowed. Probably this all ties in to testosterone levels.<br /><br />I suppose challenging authority figures might come to masculine men as well--after all, if you're alpha, why would you want to be someone's beta?SFGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11535160885105924702011-01-29T10:59:08.838-08:002011-01-29T10:59:08.838-08:00I like Steven Spielberg. He seems to really belie...I like Steven Spielberg. He seems to really believe in the American Dream. He's a patriot. His politics seem more classical-Liberal than Frankfurt School. He's like a throwback to the <br />pre-60s Hollywood.Simon in Londonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15587227265695926272011-01-29T09:29:11.090-08:002011-01-29T09:29:11.090-08:00BTW, let me answer the question before anyone asks...BTW, let me answer the question before anyone asks it. Why do I love the Jews? For the same reason I love the Brits, for their numerous contributions to our culture and civilization. I mean, where would we be without them?Luke Leahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11290760894780619646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65273887432795402462011-01-29T09:16:23.770-08:002011-01-29T09:16:23.770-08:00Peretz in a review of "The fatal Embrace: Jew...Peretz in a review of "The fatal Embrace: Jews and the state" by Benjamin Ginsberg, once remarked that the Jews seemed to be good at everything except self-government. He was referring to Israel. The Ginsberg book itself makes an interesting point: that over the centuries Jews have tended to ally themselves with the governing elite against the people (court Jews, war financiers, estate overseers, tax farmers, etc) and that while this strategy has often proven successful in the short-run it often proved disastrous in the long. If he hasn't already, Steve might do a review of this book.<br /><br />More generally I would say that Jews have shown remarkable naivite about politica power in general, perhaps because they exercised so little of it over the last two thousand years. We see this in their embrace of Marxism -- the withering away of the state? oh, oomeon !) and currently in their embrace of the cosmopolitan globalist agenda at the expense of the American people. (Paul Samuelson led the way on this when he used his influence in favor of Nafta and Gatt.) <br /><br />Since I generally love the Jews and care about their fate, I am hoping that a significant fraction of the American Jewish community will see the folly of their ways and go over to the other side. In fact I see this as the only hope for Sailer's citizinism idea in the long run.Luke Leahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11290760894780619646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12068275055136931522011-01-29T08:16:42.116-08:002011-01-29T08:16:42.116-08:00The number of mid-level gay Republicans is disturb...The number of mid-level gay Republicans is disturbing to any social conservative.<br /><br />Perhaps the most effective SoCon movement in the 20th century was based in the Catholic ethnics who held control of the urban centers. Then urban renewal and "integration" came along. It's as if they were driven out of the Democrats by feminists and open homosexuals into a party of closet cases where their concerns can be safely contained and sabotaged.<br /><br />How many Republican politicos are victims of sexual blackmail I wonder? Look up the Craig Spence prostitution ring, whose investigative records in 1992 passed into the control of... U.S. Attorney Eric Holder.<br /><br />Pre-feminism, a lot of housewives also had more time for politics and social activity.Silencenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77906790702924484632011-01-29T07:03:16.855-08:002011-01-29T07:03:16.855-08:00For such an ethnocentric/tribal guy, it is a littl...For such an ethnocentric/tribal guy, it is a little surprising that is ex-wife is not Jewish. His descendents will probably be generic white Americans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85996875675167566162011-01-29T06:14:38.090-08:002011-01-29T06:14:38.090-08:00Are there any stats about homosexuality among male...Are there any stats about homosexuality among male Jews? For some reason, they seem to be over represented compared to gentiles.Bruce Bannernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80560127840383933762011-01-29T03:59:14.825-08:002011-01-29T03:59:14.825-08:00Severn: You really, really need to stop getting al...Severn: <i>You really, really need to stop getting all your news from the far left press. I await with bated breath your next startling discovery - that these people habitually fill your empty head with nonsense!</i><br /> <br />Well, offhand I can't think of a single one of the rumors I've heard which derives from a leftwing website, and at least about 95% come from rightwing websites, especially the more extreme ones. The rest of my observations come from just reading the headlines of the major newspapers after every additional Republican/conservative sex-scandal unfolds. When you notice all sorts of "crazy rightwing rumors" floating around for years, and then suddenly one day they're on the front page of the NYT, you start to reassess your credibility-weighting of various media outlets.<br /><br />I guess "Severn" must spend all his time on leftwing blogsites. If he ever visited rightwing ones, he'd know that rightwing commenters typically identify "G.O.P." with a rather scandalous acronym...RKUnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25554106530113930632011-01-29T03:09:25.874-08:002011-01-29T03:09:25.874-08:00@ RKU- there is possibly something to this.
I have...@ RKU- there is possibly something to this.<br />I have noticed in the gay community that 'tops' tend to be conservative,( align with authority figures, more at ease in the masculine sphere) They tend to have more brothers than sisters.<br /> 'Bottoms' tend to be left wing, (challenge authority figures ,but align more with women) have more sisters than brothers.<br />What this means I have no idea.Anon this timenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12855758864319198942011-01-29T02:23:25.019-08:002011-01-29T02:23:25.019-08:00Hence, Peretz spends most of his time in Israel no...<i>Hence, Peretz spends most of his time in Israel now, where he rails at the Black Hats who are taking over Israel demographically. (Marty, who has two kids, has certainly done more than could be personally expected of him for the secular side in the intra-Jewish demographic struggle.)</i> <br /><br />In defense of a hardcore Jewish chauvinist, like Marty Peretz: A least he cares about SOMETHING.<br /><br />And apropos of <a href="http://isteve.blogspot.com/2011/01/mystery-of-ronald-reagan.html" rel="nofollow">the accompanying Ronald Reagan thread</a>, I get the same feeling when I consider Steven Spielberg [a man whom I utterly loathe and despise] - he may be an ogre, but he had 1 child by <a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001388/bio" rel="nofollow">Amy Irving</a>, 5 children by <a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001009/bio" rel="nofollow">Kate Capshaw</a>, and is rumored to own one of the <a href="http://www.google.com/search?safe=off&q=heston+spielberg+gun+collection" rel="nofollow">largest private gun collections</a> in the world, so you get the strong sense that at least the guy cares about SOMETHING.<br /><br />On the other hand, <a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/kausfiles/archive/2009/03/26/journolist-revealed-inside-the-liberal-media-email-cabal.aspx" rel="nofollow">this new generation of Peretz proteges</a> is so thoroughly, viscerally nihilistic that they will be more than happy to leave absolutely nothing [other than the annihilation of Western Civilization] in their wake.Lucius Vorenusnoreply@blogger.com