tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post3468221369540970374..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: How dangerous is the lunatic fringe?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49892453580542395022011-09-17T16:22:37.733-07:002011-09-17T16:22:37.733-07:00The problem was not that Loughner was crazy, the p...The problem was not that Loughner was crazy, the problem was that he was violent. A bigger problem is that the left has romantic notion about violent people, you know like Che Guevara, and they keep letting them out of prison.Cynthia386https://www.blogger.com/profile/18171802461002882283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57687568428889883232011-01-15T07:01:45.766-08:002011-01-15T07:01:45.766-08:00True. And Pournelle hits the nail on the head too....True. And Pournelle hits the nail on the head too. Increasing the ability to lock away people when they haven't committed a crime can lead to an increase in using it for political purposes. Russia in the darkest days of communism locked away thousands of political dissidents on the grounds that, if they disagreed with the wisest and most successful political system man had created (Communism) then they must be mentally ill.Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-615595598521926612011-01-13T19:03:13.975-08:002011-01-13T19:03:13.975-08:00"But of course, thanks to modern liberalism, ..."But of course, thanks to modern liberalism, we all live under the tyranny of the weak and we're supposed to think because they are weak, it's not really tyranny."<br /><br />It's more like tyranny of the geek. Look who runs Facebook, Google, Hollywood, and Wall Street.Tuconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65563084365718441872011-01-13T16:31:03.861-08:002011-01-13T16:31:03.861-08:00But of course, thanks to modern liberalism, we all...<i>But of course, thanks to modern liberalism, we all live under the <b>tyranny of the weak</b> and we're supposed to think because they are weak, it's not really tyranny.</i> <br /><br />Wow - what a great phrase.<br /><br />I just googled it, and I am getting two hits - an <a href="http://thinkexist.com/quotation/the_worst_form_of_tyranny_the_world_has_ever/153930.html" rel="nofollow">Oscar Wilde quote</a>, and a <a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,872914,00.html" rel="nofollow">1962 movie</a> based on an F Scott Fitzgerald novel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79726302964790370182011-01-13T11:44:59.045-08:002011-01-13T11:44:59.045-08:00The huge number of people killed in the past 100 y...The huge number of people killed in the past 100 years in wars, massacres, air raids, gulags, attempted genocides, etc, were eradicated by ostensibly sane folks who organized and implemented it all. Loonies, when they get violent, do it at the retail level; the sane do it wholesale. I'm more worried about the cold calculations of the sane than I am about the mental ward escapees.Chicagonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19360888918076240062011-01-13T09:05:12.195-08:002011-01-13T09:05:12.195-08:00"That raving nutter I mentioned was a totally...<i>"That raving nutter I mentioned was a totally different person when on medication. And she even admitted it and joked about it."</i><br /><br />Yes. Many of them joke about it. One counselor told me people requiring anti-psychotic meds call going off their meds "going on vacation".<br /><br />That's when my sympathy for most of them vanished. I know the side effects of the meds are no fun. But it's a question of the person with the problem suffers the side effects of dealing with it or everyone around him suffers from his refusal to do so. <br /><br />But of course, thanks to modern liberalism, we all live under the tyranny of the weak and we're supposed to think because they are weak, it's not really tyranny.Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78535688230660546222011-01-13T07:56:09.693-08:002011-01-13T07:56:09.693-08:00The worst thing about is they're not doing for...<i>The worst thing about is they're not doing for the sufferer's benefit so much as they are to protect their own good names. (Can't have us associated with mental illness now.)</i> <br /><br />Exactly.<br /><br />That's what I'm dealing with right now - to admit that the problem exists is to admit that something is "wrong" with them, which is simply unacceptable.<br /><br />It's a terrible, paralyzing darkness, which envelopes and poisons the entire family.<br /><br />Everything becomes disengenousness, dissembling, duplicity, and lies.<br /><br />And, to a "normal" person, the way they clamp down on the thing, in unison, with a vise-like grip, to stifle any & all dissent, is simply stunning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57484801466510482002011-01-13T06:59:51.283-08:002011-01-13T06:59:51.283-08:00these mentally ill families will close up ranks ab...<i>these mentally ill families will close up ranks about one another and lie to the entire world about it [which includes lying to themselves about it]."<br /></i><br /><br />The worst thing about is they're not doing for the sufferer's benefit so much as they are to protect their own good names. (Can't have us associated with mental illness now.)<br /><br />Meds actually help. A lot. <br /><br />That raving nutter I mentioned was a totally different person when on medication. And she even admitted it and joked about it. (Bitter experience has taught me to leave the joking to them. It's like that Seinfeld episode in which Kramer breaks up with his girlfriend and Jerry and Elaine blurt out what they thought of her -- "the first break-up never takes.")Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47258536359768561682011-01-13T06:52:38.369-08:002011-01-13T06:52:38.369-08:00If you come from a "normal" family [like...<i>If you come from a "normal" family [like I did], and if you spent your entire life around "normal" friends and "normal" colleagues [like I did], then you are going to be shocked at the power of mental illness when you first cross paths with it.</i><br /><br />Quoted for truth.<br /><br />A friend of mine married a mentally ill woman. (How she hid it I'll never know -- "love is blind"-effect maybe). <br /><br />She was a raving nutter. Totally impossible to reason with. No one who had the misfortune to interact with her concluded otherwise.<br /><br />Long story short, he couldn't take it anymore and they divorce. <i>She gets the kid</i>! Can society possibly get more insane than that?<br /><br />For the anti-government lunatic who is more worried about a definition of mental illness than its effects on society -- sigh, sorry to break it to you pal, but you're probably one of them.Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66708617955521145992011-01-13T02:28:34.384-08:002011-01-13T02:28:34.384-08:00I really felt for these families who faced up to t...<i>I really felt for these families who faced up to their kin's illness and tried their best to be supportive and do the right thing by all concerned.</i> <br /><br />God, how I wish I had even that much support.<br /><br />Just some honesty, if nothing else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90791826304733542042011-01-13T00:19:53.062-08:002011-01-13T00:19:53.062-08:00"these mentally ill families will close up ra...<i>"these mentally ill families will close up ranks about one another and lie to the entire world about it [which includes lying to themselves about it]."</i><br /><br />In fairness, I have to say that's not always true. Off-hand, I can think of two diagnosed schizophrenics who chose to stop taking their meds. In both cases, the families came to their homes, pleading with them to resume treatment and even telling the neighbors (me and others in the building) that there was nothing they could do legally and they were sorry for all the trouble their relations were causing. I really felt for these families who faced up to their kin's illness and tried their best to be supportive and do the right thing by all concerned.<br /><br />By law, there was nothing any of us could do until those nuts demonstrated they posed a physical danger to themselves and/or others. <br /><br /><i>"STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM THE MENTALLY ILL.<br /><br />THEY WILL RUIN YOU."</i><br /><br />Can't argue with that. The worst of it is the law is on their side.Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64475486597620556602011-01-13T00:02:38.809-08:002011-01-13T00:02:38.809-08:00Me: Trying to get a mentally ill person to admit t...<b>Me:</b> <i>Trying to get a mentally ill person to admit that they have a problem is like trying to get an alcholic to admit that they drink too much.<br /><br />It's like talking to a brick wall.</i><br /><br /><b>Dahlia:</b> <i>I've talked to other relatives to intervene, but the parents are brick walls.</i> <br /><br />Exactly.<br /><br />BTW Dahlia, I had you in mind when I was talking about [potential] bachelorettes at iSteve, but it sounds as though you have enough experience with mental illness to RUN NOT WALK THE HELL AWAY FROM IT in any possible boyfriend.<br /><br />Intimate contact with mental illness will absolutely ruin your life.<br /><br />And, as you indicated, these mentally ill families will close up ranks about one another and lie to the entire world about it [which includes lying to themselves about it].<br /><br />STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM THE MENTALLY ILL.<br /><br />THEY WILL RUIN YOU.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7718042467759421272011-01-12T23:13:57.578-08:002011-01-12T23:13:57.578-08:00I agree with Whiskey. Homicidal tendencies is rar...I agree with Whiskey. Homicidal tendencies is rare and extreme, and per Kylie's comment, there's a whole lot of suffering that flies under the radar for most of society except for the individual and/or his family and neighbors.<br /><br />Reading through the comments made me feel kind of bad: I am related to and know far more crazy people! <br /><br />My mother-in-law is severly bipolar and drove her family into poverty due to spending and gambling. She just left my FIL and he expects that one day she'll commit suicide and has prepared my husband for that eventuality. To my knowledge, she has never been treated.<br /><br />While the paranoid schizophrenic I'm related to is from my upper-class family, mental illnesses seem to mostly affect the lower classes and perhaps explains the divide between views on institutions for the mentally ill.<br /><br />I believe that for many, it is cruel and unusual punishment to be completely free.<br /><br />Currently, I know someone addicted to pain drugs who has, while under the influence, shot off his gun in the house hitting a couch and several walls and gotten into a car accident. <br /><br />He is constantly high and I can't remember when he was last sober.<br /><br />His parents are in complete denial and the mother, being influential personally and politically, has been successful in getting everything mostly swept under the rug. The uncle who is a cop was called out NOT to take away his guns, but help circle the wagons. This uncle even supplies the pain meds he's addicted to per the mother's request. The parents think he can get better of his own accord and everyone else is overreacting. It is only by accident anyone finds out about these incidents, surely there are more.<br /><br />I asked my mom about getting him baker acted, but she said the laws were such that it would be impossible because his parents' word that everything is fine and he is not a danger would be enough to prevent it. I've talked to other relatives to intervene, but the parents are brick walls. <br />I'll be surprised if he lives another three years. Or he is going to kill somebody in an accident.Dahlianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44916417181241707342011-01-12T20:25:14.937-08:002011-01-12T20:25:14.937-08:00"Lefty Gentiles are pro-immigration and anti-..."Lefty Gentiles are pro-immigration and anti-Israel."<br /><br />Lefty gentiles are CRITICAL of Israel but not anti-Israel. Big difference.adsfasdfasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42991864644479534462011-01-12T18:29:02.743-08:002011-01-12T18:29:02.743-08:00Albertosaurus is correct.
See here.
"I put ...Albertosaurus is correct.<br /><br />See <a href="http://www.labeez.org/2010/08/watts-rebellion-remembered.php" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br /><i>"I put my back to the cops and my front to [the crowd], Gregory said. "I said, 'Ya'll get out of here. Run. Get out of here! All of ya'll are going to get wiped out!' And then, pow! ... they shot me."</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55436751371560579082011-01-12T16:20:18.397-08:002011-01-12T16:20:18.397-08:00"Clearly the desire to see western civ destro..."Clearly the desire to see western civ destroyed through immigration has nothing to do with attitude towards Israel. There can be defenders of western civ that are pro israel and defenders of western civ that are anti israel"<br /><br />Yeah, a lot of Evangelicals are pro-Israel, but they still seem to want Western Civ to survive.<br /><br />American Jews are pro-immigration and pro-Israel. Paleos are anti-immigration and anti-israel. Lefty Gentiles are pro-immigration and anti-Israel. Just because you're engaged in a war with the American Jewish elite doesn't mean everyone else is taking the same sides.SFGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78764655852176786612011-01-12T15:09:20.134-08:002011-01-12T15:09:20.134-08:00http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487037...http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703791904576075851892478080.html<br /><br />"Even in a setting that includes the raw and often raunchy thoughts of young men, Mr. Loughner's postings were startling. They show an obsession with language..."<br /><br />Obsessed with linguistics? Now I know who was really responsible: Noam Chomsky!!!asdfasdasdfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23462585956933271042011-01-12T14:56:27.872-08:002011-01-12T14:56:27.872-08:00"How many Loughners were walking around in th...<i>"How many Loughners were walking around in the 40s and 50s? And how many people got randomly shot?"</i><br /><br />Quite a few. Just because they didn't shoot someone famous doesn't mean they didn't shoot someone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39269722296310012992011-01-12T14:13:30.396-08:002011-01-12T14:13:30.396-08:00Liberal truth operates as follows:
1. Temperatur...Liberal truth operates as follows: <br /><br />1. Temperatures are up. <br /><br />'It's due to global warming.'<br /><br />2. Temperatures are down. <br /><br />'It's due to global warming.'Hecklernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21049832661372928082011-01-12T14:10:32.453-08:002011-01-12T14:10:32.453-08:00Nope, Albert is right...lol.Nope, Albert is right...lol.Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09055468613470143350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27015992334905059862011-01-12T14:10:01.392-08:002011-01-12T14:10:01.392-08:00um, Albertosaurus, you made up that last part, yes...um, Albertosaurus, you made up that last part, yes?Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09055468613470143350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2061128664722618072011-01-12T13:58:16.754-08:002011-01-12T13:58:16.754-08:00As someone who has had two nervous breakdowns, whi...As someone who has had two nervous breakdowns, which I stumbled through and emerged from after about 6 months in the case of the first and a little over a year in the second, and without medication, in other words the brain righted itself given enough time, I am fairly confident saying that such episodes did not classify me as a lunatic and don't classify the hundreds of thousands who suffer through similar incidences as lunatics either. I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is a huge gulf between those who walk around in a fractured state for awhile and those who hear voices or follow instructions of revenge against those who have wounded them or are out to get them. Was I crazy during the period of my nervous breakdowns? I suppose so. But I was no threat, heck I was in no shape to be a threat to anyone. This is the case for most crazies.ricpichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01321511130788764861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41296985183838922672011-01-12T13:51:24.826-08:002011-01-12T13:51:24.826-08:00One other thing I am learning about mental illness...One other thing I am learning about mental illness [as a warning to any bachelors or bachelorettes at iSteve who might be about to make a terrible mistake in their romantic lives]: The mentally ill will NOT admit that there is anything unusual about how they go about living their lives.<br /><br />Trying to get a mentally ill person to admit that they have a problem is like trying to get an alcholic to admit that they drink too much.<br /><br />It's like talking to a brick wall.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13548321578791655362011-01-12T13:41:07.790-08:002011-01-12T13:41:07.790-08:00In any given venue, be it a church, school, workpl...In any given venue, be it a church, school, workplace or activity club half the people there are crazy. Which makes me feel better as I take my lithium every nightAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56122382116072824012011-01-12T13:32:07.648-08:002011-01-12T13:32:07.648-08:00Certainly we have a debt to the mentally ill. For...Certainly we have a debt to the mentally ill. For their sake and our own we need to take care of them. That being the case, we can not afford to provide housing and medical care to an unlimited number of impoverished low IQ immigrants. We can afford to either take care of the immigrants or to take care of mentally ill citizense. One or the other <br /><br />many successful political campaigns in Europe have succeeded in cutting off immigration based on just such an argument. <br /><br />It gets no play here on Isteve, but in Denmark the pro immigration crowd was completely defeated and Denmark has almost zero net immigration of NAMs right now. <br /><br />An argument that resources are limited can win, <br /><br />That is not to say that you can get the large crowd pushing for western civilization to commit suicide to stop their bleating. Far from it. they will continue to argue for more immigration. But they can be defeated in the ballot box. <br /><br />This has nothing to do with the philo semite vs anti semite arguments. <br />The group that wants western civ to die contains plenty of anti semites. <br />For example, the elite in Norway hate Israel and hate jews. In fact the elite in Norway was notable for being more pro hitler than the elite of any other nation in the world. If you read the records from the 1930s the elite of Germany was really not enthusiastic about Hitler or the final solution, but the elite in Norway was enthusiastic. <br /><br />Even today you would be hard pressed to find any nation in Europe more anti semetic than Norway. At the same time the Norwegian elite spouts hate towards jews it also aggressively and obsessively encourages massive immigration of NAMs in to Norway. <br /><br />Clearly the desire to see western civ destroyed through immigration has nothing to do with attitude towards Israel. There can be defenders of western civ that are pro israel and defenders of western civ that are anti israelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com