tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post3809584121577176784..comments2024-03-29T05:14:33.223-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Chinese science, technology, and IQUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger132125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66955816417125817432011-08-24T22:39:00.624-07:002011-08-24T22:39:00.624-07:00"Countless centuries"? There were four. ...<i>"Countless centuries"? There were four. Count 'em."</i><br /><br />Ignoring of course the Romans and Greeks, and say more obscure peoples like the Hyksos (or at least some of them) and Gutians who have been at it for centuries. The only thing mitigating the point is that whites enslaved themselves for thousands of years, and merely replaced it with debt-slavery within the last half-century.<br /><br />Whereas in China not even 1% of the population was enslaved at the slave population's peak, and the vast majority of them were not Chinese. Not at the time, at least.<br /><br />I'm sure you will lecture me about "wealth gap" in China, but then I will point out that income isn't wealth, but that much would strain you I think.<br /><br /><i>"You guys still get the door prize for "most destructive civil war in history" though:"</i><br /><br />Most of the people died from starvation and breakdown of civil order, these are all people who wouldn't have existed if the Dynasty had simply ground their bones for profit as was done in Europe.<br /><br />Some other guy said<br /><i>Guttenberg's genius was to invent moveable, metal type - as fitted to an alphabet (which China never had).</i><br /><br />Yes, China stuck with a logographic script because in reality, it has hundreds of different groups of people speaking thousands of different dialects, most of which are mutually unintelligible. Meanwhile, Europeans never independently invented any kind of writing system at all. <br /><br />Since the first anatomically modern Cro-Magnons were found dated to what, 40,000 BC? - they had no writing whatsoever for over 30,000 years.<br /><br />Now that's creativity.Huaxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49306218750173209102011-08-24T22:30:24.754-07:002011-08-24T22:30:24.754-07:00But the rather surprisingly paltry creative output...<i>But the rather surprisingly paltry creative output of Asians, given their obvious intelligence, in almost all situations, is hard to comprehend. </i><br /><br />Hahaha.<br /><br />Lets see: Singapore, almost entirely populated by lower/middle class South Chinese from the periphery.<br /><br />So resource-poor it needs to buy WATER from a hostile nation.<br /><br />25% non-Chinese.<br /><br />1) They have among the highest net worths in the world<br />2) They fight Hong Kong for the number one spot in HWNI concentration (Google it)<br />3) They have among the highest GDPs per capita in the world<br />4) They are stuck in a relatively poor region<br /><br />Lets throw 3 million whites onto some completely resource-poor fingernail somewhere in the middle of Africa and see if they can manage 8% growth once GDP/cap is over 50,000 and 10% of the population is worth a million USD or more.<br /><br />Nobels and inventions are resource intensive, and wealth in white societies is simply more concentrated in the hands of the rich.<br /><br />In East Asia it is far more evenly distributed. <br /><br />Really, it's cute when white nationalists (or are they called HBDers now?) make their little "wealth and IQ" charts and bounce their inane theories on why East Asians are "poor". Using GDP as a measure of poverty.<br /><br />Apparently white verbal IQ is so high that the difference between GDP and wealth eludes 100% of white nationalists, and their ability to derive IQs from SATs is somewhat hampered by poor understanding of statistics, like over/under-representation and the fact that 10-15% of East Asian males slam into the 800 math score.<br /><br />As far as Chinese humor goes, it's pretty subtle and reliant on context and knowledge, unsurprisingly some people who are the joke itself won't understand this - or will refuse to do so, flat-out.Huaxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74963224091401244942010-07-13T21:12:18.904-07:002010-07-13T21:12:18.904-07:00"Sir George Ralph Collier said...
Yang S..."Sir George Ralph Collier said...<br /><br /> Yang Shen and Mr. Anon<br /><br /> African slave trade for countless centuries<br /><br /> "Countless centuries"? There were four. Count 'em."<br /><br />I was (partly) being facetious - simpley counting the four centuries from the english settlement of America till now (some members of the NAACP act as if we still had slavery). It was only to point out the ridiculousness of Yang Shen's claims that slavery lasted for "countless centuries".Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21571219599341694292010-07-13T20:47:45.440-07:002010-07-13T20:47:45.440-07:00I've seen "Yan Shen" type comments o...I've seen "Yan Shen" type comments on conservative websites, before. It's always some version of: <br /><br />Honorable Host, your readers are not nearly as intelligent as you. It's a shame that the inferior quality of their comments mars our appreciation of your genius. I'm puzzled as to why you let them continue. Would it not be wiser to cut off comments entirely, so that we could more easily isolate and diminish you, er, enjoy your musings without distraction?<br /><br />He's probably a Soros plant. <br /><br />Comments composed entirely by clever clogs banging their top 1 percentile IQs on the virtual table would be the fastest way to kill whatever mainstream interest exists in this blog. If Steve wanted a private club for nerds, he wouldn't have a public website. Free speech involves allowing even opinions one doesn't consider worthy. (Not that the Chinese need any lectures on free speech.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60765188086707045522010-07-13T16:58:05.446-07:002010-07-13T16:58:05.446-07:00I'm no copyright Nazi but it's just wrong ...I'm no copyright Nazi but it's just wrong to put the entire story on your blog. Put up a sample, then send folks to the WP for the rest, as you do for stuff you write for other sites. They spent the money to write the story. They deserve hits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77274760110740772932010-07-12T21:32:39.367-07:002010-07-12T21:32:39.367-07:00Yang Shen and Mr. Anon
African slave trade for co...<i>Yang Shen and Mr. Anon<br /><br />African slave trade for countless centuries<br /><br />"Countless centuries"? There were four. Count 'em.<br /></i><br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_United_States#Colonial_America" rel="nofollow">The unique black slave experience, a heredity one based upon solely upon race, in British America lasted less than two centuries (1662-1865 minus a number of years of interruptions).</a> This existed in a minority of places for the benefit of a tiny fraction of people including some freed blacks and Indians.<br /><br />The first African slave was accidentally brought in 1619 to the English colonies that would expand to become America. Until about 1640, these African slaves were treated as indentured servants, the same as about 50% of white immigrants to the colonies in the 17th and 18th centuries.<br /><br />In 1662, due to labor shortages, Virginia passed a state law that led the colonies in changing the status of black slaves from whites, making slavery hereditary for blacks only. This seems to be the earliest major law in any colony that led to the development of what we consider a distinctive black slavery experience in America.<br /><br />Each colony had a different history with slavery. Georgia outlawed slavery 1735-1750. All colonies except GA banned or limited slavery by 1786 (GA did so by 1798), although some were later repealed. The US banned the slave trade in 1808 and worked with the British navy to police the African coasts for violators. Slavery was completely eradicated by 1865, except in Indian territories where some blacks were held in slavery until the late 1870s by tribes like the Cherokees.<br /><br />Although any involvement with slavery is now recognized as a moral evil, one can give the England (majority) and the US unique moral credit for being perhaps the earliest and only powers <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Africa_Squadron" rel="nofollow">to forcibly blockade/interdict slave trading in W.Africa, N.Africa, the Middle East and the Indian Ocean.</a>Sir George Ralph Colliernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31354716059819347402010-07-12T18:43:19.942-07:002010-07-12T18:43:19.942-07:00>>I mourn for the loss of both a sense of sh...>>I mourn for the loss of both a sense of shared community and appreciation of Western culture as much as anyone. But, really it is in your best interest to know the facts and make sure your children do, too.<<<br /><br />I agree with your assertions. People should understand the realities of the world and prepare to craft an appropriate place for their progeny. Unfortunately, a focus on a potential lack of "knife edge" Chinese creativity is to miss the greater truth regarding that country's ascendancy and our country's decline.zylonetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66893566848256257562010-07-12T18:21:14.570-07:002010-07-12T18:21:14.570-07:00"Yan Shen said...
For a race that has pe..."Yan Shen said...<br /><br /> For a race that has perpetrated the virtual genocide of the Native Americans in North America and engaged in the African slave trade for countless centuries, Westerners sure have no shame bragging about their "moral superiority".<br /><br />"Countless centuries"? There were four. Count 'em.<br /><br />You guys still get the door prize for "most destructive civil war in history" though:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tai_Ping_Rebellion<br /><br />And that was chinese guys killing chinese guys.<br /><br />Keep up the good work.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46648182386825675562010-07-12T17:00:47.583-07:002010-07-12T17:00:47.583-07:00Truth, don't make me smack you around too. I n...Truth, don't make me smack you around too. I never get tired of smacking the white trash around.Yan Shenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06626415549772069331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62570251909015047762010-07-12T16:42:55.293-07:002010-07-12T16:42:55.293-07:00First Pissed-of-Chinaman now Yan Shen.
I thought ...First Pissed-of-Chinaman now Yan Shen.<br /><br />I thought you guys were the superior race with your light hair and eyes and all. As a neutral observer explain one thing to me:<br /><br />How come every time an Asain comes onto this site to debate, he not only defeats you, he crushes you,sees you driven before him and hears the lamentation of your women!Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63566561976671360192010-07-12T16:35:21.654-07:002010-07-12T16:35:21.654-07:00Might be interesting:
First Look: J-15 Chinese Ne...Might be interesting:<br /><br />First Look: J-15 Chinese Next-Gen Carrier Based Fighter<br /><br />Read more: http://defensetech.org/#ixzz0tVvTij6E <br />Defense.org <br /><br /><br />U.S. Sends Tomahawk Missile Filled Subs to Western Pacific<br /><br />Read more: http://defensetech.org/#ixzz0tVus6Tt2 <br />Defense.org <br /><br />State Push or Commercial Pull Driving China’s Naval Modernization?<br /><br />and<br /><br />Loading Prompt Global Strike in VLS Cells Will Transform U.S. Naval Power<br /><br />Read more: http://defensetech.org/#ixzz0tVvMGoOE <br />Defense.org <br /><br /><br />Read more: http://defensetech.org/#ixzz0tVvDfa2d <br />Defense.org <br /><br /><i>Meet ArcLight–the weapon that will change the way the world thinks about U.S. surface combatants:</i><br /><br /><i>“The ArcLight program will design, build, and flight test a long range (> 2,000 nm) ( "nm" = nautical miles --DD ) vehicle that carries a 100–200 lb payload(s). ArcLight is based on an SM-3 Block II booster stack, a hypersonic glider and is capable of being launched from a Mark 41 Vertical Launch System (VLS) tube. The development of the ArcLight system will enable high speed, long range weapons capable of engaging time critical targets and can be launched from Naval surface and sub-surface assets, and Naval/Air Force air assets.”</i><br /><br /><br /><br />Read more: http://defensetech.org/#ixzz0tVvjOQQC <br />Defense.orgDavid Davenportnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37535543518470238802010-07-12T16:23:18.267-07:002010-07-12T16:23:18.267-07:00Yan Shen said...
"Don't worry though Davi...Yan Shen said...<br />"Don't worry though David. I've been smacking around white trash like you since the day I came to this country. :)"<br /><br />Please refrain from racist and ethnic slurs while you're in our country. OK, slanty?robnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29560781278776157152010-07-12T16:23:18.268-07:002010-07-12T16:23:18.268-07:00As Stalin once said, "quantity has a quality ...<i> As Stalin once said, "quantity has a quality all its own". </i><br /><br />That sums up the Chinese attitude about the consumer products China exports.David Davenportnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58153918048874928622010-07-12T16:04:39.273-07:002010-07-12T16:04:39.273-07:00I wouldn't worry about claims of Chinese moral...I wouldn't worry about claims of Chinese moral superiority versus the West. Ask the Taiwanese Aborigines, or the steppe people to whom the Chinese state ruthlessly brought death by Western armaments in the 19th century (as soon as it was able to place the hammer down on a people in much of an analogous raiding situation as American Indians were to the US). Or the hill tribes. There's no certainly no Western expansionist moral pathology the West, or even America, should feel particularly guilty for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42821692782637123152010-07-12T15:55:56.349-07:002010-07-12T15:55:56.349-07:00Is it not possible that they have evolved their ow...<i> Is it not possible that they have evolved their own concepts of morality and that, therefor, western concepts of morality does not apply to them?</i><br /><br />No. Morality doesn't work that way. You can make up your own moral code if you like and insist it is true (we all have divergent moral codes of course), and noone can "prove" you wrong, but you're still an actor in another person's moral system and they will judge you as such.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43400936857861630852010-07-12T15:43:35.520-07:002010-07-12T15:43:35.520-07:00Don't worry though David. I've been smacki...Don't worry though David. I've been smacking around white trash like you since the day I came to this country. :)Yan Shenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06626415549772069331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72027823270809608732010-07-12T15:36:27.461-07:002010-07-12T15:36:27.461-07:00Could there be ignorant white redneck racists inte...Could there be ignorant white redneck racists intentionally mocking my name, by purposefully misspelling it? (Great display of maturity by the way) <br /><br />Nah, that clearly wouldn't be the kind of people that Steve Sailer' blog attracts.Yan Shenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06626415549772069331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25704556601800915002010-07-12T12:38:55.479-07:002010-07-12T12:38:55.479-07:00Yan Sang forgets about that little Cultural Revolu...Yan Sang forgets about that little Cultural Revolution thing. How many millions snuffed out? Versus how many slaves in North America? I roll my eyes with a chuckle. As for Native Americans, they genocided my Solutrean people; that cycle of violence is no place for finger-pointing and name-calling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4828000185969275782010-07-12T12:34:12.144-07:002010-07-12T12:34:12.144-07:00Yet zylonet spent all that time crafting that comm...Yet zylonet spent all that time crafting that comment. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2112303298074559752010-07-12T11:25:30.409-07:002010-07-12T11:25:30.409-07:00*Sigh*
Yan Shen has a point and I'm surprise...*Sigh* <br /><br />Yan Shen has a point and I'm surprised anyone reading these comment would agrue otherwise.<br /><br />I'm not going to bore you with a long list of corrections of some laughable claims here (China is ethnically homogenous and the people lack creativity? C'mon!) It really is in the best interest of the West to understand the realities of acsendant China better. <br /><br />I mourn for the loss of both a sense of shared community and appreciation of Western culture as much as anyone. But, really it is in your best interest to know the facts and make sure your children do, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55504531775682078392010-07-12T10:41:24.322-07:002010-07-12T10:41:24.322-07:00"Morality" used in the context of the ar..."Morality" used in the context of the article really means Western cultural morality. There is nothing about the research cited in the article that violates Chinese standards of morality. The Chinese have a civilization and culture that is just as rich and sophisticated as the Western culture. Is it not possible that they have evolved their own concepts of morality and that, therefor, western concepts of morality does not apply to them?<br /><br />Personally, I see nothing objectionable about the scientific research cited in the article. In fact, I wish we would do more of it here in the U.S.kurt9https://www.blogger.com/profile/02101147267959016924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20857994117949615042010-07-12T10:40:22.095-07:002010-07-12T10:40:22.095-07:00The title of the Jensen book fervently translated ...The title of the Jensen book fervently translated by the then<br />VP of the Chinese Psychological Society and by the Psychology Department at Beijing Normal University circa 1984-86 was<br />STRAIGHT TALK ABOUT MENTAL <br />T E S T S (NOT ABILITIES). <br />It was "semi-officially" described , if in personal correspondence, as "exactly what we need." H. J. Eysenck was then prompted to send, by his personal donation, copies of his major works in sets of six--for relay to six translation stations. Thus, the major works of Eysenck were translated and fervently endorsed, if "semi-officially". Jensen and Eysenck by the fateful end of the decade had central influence upon Chinese psychology via Beijing Normal University. In addition, the Raven Progressive Matrices had been standardized in China and the manual sections sometimes translated in 24 hours by teams of translators working at BNU. In addition the British Ability Scales given keen attention as were major group tests, such as the Lorge_Thornkike (US) and Alice Heim's AH series (UK). It is a story within a story as to how the shipment of these testing materials and books was facilitated into China, but that will be provided Mr. Sailer and Chris Brand conjointly in personal email correspondence and is not provided for publication or dissemination. The bottom line is that at that time ( since? ) China seemed much more "g" friendly--reality friendly-- than either the USA or the UK. An American academic mindful of some of these events is Edward M. Miller, formerly of the U. of New Orleans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77759478351220289222010-07-12T07:25:59.865-07:002010-07-12T07:25:59.865-07:00For a race that has perpetrated the virtual genoci...<i>For a race that has perpetrated the virtual genocide of the Native Americans in North America and engaged in the African slave trade for countless centuries ..</i> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />First of all, don't be so damn sensitive all the time.<br /><br />Secondly, learn a little history.<br /><br />Thirdly, learn to think and write properly in English. "Countless centuries"? Really? This sort of thing makes you look foolish. Or like somebody who can't count very high.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37667083650743387752010-07-12T02:38:19.351-07:002010-07-12T02:38:19.351-07:00Yup because clearly there wasn't Jerry Yang, f...<i>Yup because clearly there wasn't Jerry Yang, former CEO and co-founder of Yahoo.<br />Or Jen-Hsun Huang, president, CEO, and co-founder of Nvidia.<br />Or Steven Chen, one of the 3 co-founders of YouTube.<br />Or Qian Xuesen, one of the co-founders of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory at Caltech.</i><br /><br />There's also Feng Hsiung Hsu, the guy who built Deep Blue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48265512192231029122010-07-12T00:46:29.338-07:002010-07-12T00:46:29.338-07:00"Russia >> Brasil > China >> I..."Russia >> Brasil > China >> India"<br /><br />I did put (in over all economic size)<br />China >> India >> Russia >> Brazil<br /><br />In per capita standard of living<br />Russia >> China >> Brazil >> India<br /><br />and in military might<br />China = Russia >> India = BrazilAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com