tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post3882310076595074520..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Paul Collier: 10 building blocks for thinking about immigrationUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23230373784084605942013-11-26T09:19:22.260-08:002013-11-26T09:19:22.260-08:00So if we decide to legalize 11 million illegal Mex...<i>So if we decide to legalize 11 million illegal Mexicans maybe we should negotiate 11 million blue-haired retirees for Mexico. Their presence might encourage Mexico to fix traffic lights, enforce pedestrian right-of-way, enhance property rights, fire crooked cops, etc.</i><br /><br />And if they don't, we'll save a bundle on Social Security and Medicare.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389602137217799305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8153263705722140982013-11-25T21:19:46.925-08:002013-11-25T21:19:46.925-08:00They want an earthly version of the Mos Eisley Can...<i>They want an earthly version of the Mos Eisley Cantina.</i><br /><br />Complete with faceless, weak-minded Stormtroopers policing the streets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65505323075786463002013-11-25T17:24:33.261-08:002013-11-25T17:24:33.261-08:00Steve, you're still doing it: placing a rather...Steve, you're still doing it: placing a rather dainty, but wholly unnecessary, comma after the conjunction "but," principally when you begin a sentence with it.<br /><br />Fowler called this "over-stopping" and "separating inseparables" (in your case, the conjunction from the rest of the sentence).<br /><br />Because you use it so often it really breaks the flow of your writing.Percy Grycenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7659918576496716532013-11-25T16:33:48.365-08:002013-11-25T16:33:48.365-08:00"Wanted, in the past tense. That is starting ..."Wanted, in the past tense. That is starting to change. Many of the entry-level jobs are moving to China and India. While actual emigration of white Americans to these places is unlikely in the near future, Japan-style western expatriate communities are likely." - Those aren't Japanese citizens however, and would presumably not permit a like number of Somalis, Indians, or Chinese to apply for American citizenship.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19062331787877570432013-11-25T16:19:08.180-08:002013-11-25T16:19:08.180-08:00"There's also something else: where serva..."There's also something else: where servants are available for peanuts, sex is also available for peanuts. All kinds of sex"<br /><br /><br />In his day Paul Bowles was a popular man to visit for the elite artist/intellectual set. <br /><br /><br /><br />"At the same time Paul became obsessed with a sixteen-year-old boy called Ahmed Yacoubi, the first of several handsome young Moroccans who sold themselves to him. But unlike Jane, who flaunted her destructive connection to Cherifa, Paul hid his feelings. He wanted to maintain his respectable married façade, didn’t want to be considered (even in free-wheeling Tangier) a homosexual, and, when the nationalists took control after independence, was afraid of being expelled from Morocco. Yacoubi was also rather savage, and Paul wrote, “his reactions were those of a primitive” rather than of a cultured and sophisticated man.<br /><br />...Paul encouraged Yacoubi’s talent as a painter, took him to New York in 1953, and arranged his exhibition at the prestigious Betty Parsons gallery. With Paul’s considerable help, Yacoubi became the best-known contemporary Moroccan artist. <br /><br />...Libby, who had also been the lover of the homosexual actor Montgomery Clift, slept with Yacoubi, who was half her age, and carried him off to her luxurious Connecticut mansion. When Holman took over Paul’s role as patron, Paul was suddenly de trop as far as Yacoubi was concerned since Holman offered much more lavish rewards. In Connecticut, Yacoubi, whom she called a “tough Sabu,” molested Libby’s seven-year-old son and tried to choke him in their swimming pool. After she sent Yacoubi back to Morocco, he was jailed for seducing a fourteen-year-old German boy. When released, he tortured Paul—who’d helped him get out of prison—by refusing to sleep with him. Paul stoically accepted Yacoubi’s behavior as the way of the world, or at least his world, and was amazingly, though precariously, free from both moral judgments and painful regrets."<br /><br /><br />our "betters"<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25265619911491450522013-11-25T15:54:50.643-08:002013-11-25T15:54:50.643-08:00As a starting point, maybe there ought to be recip...As a starting point, maybe there ought to be reciprocity of public healthcare costs? For example, if an American without international health insurance coverage (or sufficient personal funds) gets emergency treatment in Mexico, Mexico gets to invoice the US government for it; similarly, we get to invoice the Mexican government for unpaid treatment provided here.Dave Pinsenhttp://twitter.com/dpinsennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22412198872146410152013-11-25T14:12:17.558-08:002013-11-25T14:12:17.558-08:00The idea of reciprocity is interesting and is some...<i>The idea of reciprocity is interesting and is something I've never considered before.<br /><br />If country A is experiencing net immigration from country B, country A could announce that it will let in as many migrants from B as B accepted from A the previous year</i><br /><br />Reciprocity is the key word in politics. The problem with 1 for 1 as you have suggested is that Mexican citizenship is worth a small fraction of US citizenship. Same goes for most of the world outside western Europe and the Anglosphere. So 1 to 1 is not even close to a reciprocal agreement for the vast majority of the world vis-a-vis the Anglosphere and western Europe.<br /><br />Then there's the fact that 1 person in a country of 1,000,000 is a far greater percentage of the overall population of that country than 1 person from a country of 100,000,000; big countries could take over small countries this way. India and China could take over the USA without breaking a sweat.<br /><br /><i>I've always thought something like that would be a good idea. Let as many Indian software engineers in to the US as the number of Americans who wish to emigrate to India. Likewise Chinese, Somalis</i><br /><br />Again, 1 for 1 is hell and gone from reciprocity vis-a-vis those countries. 1 to 1 is more like an upper bounds, a sanity check, than reciprocity.<br /><br /><i>There is your ad campaign right there.</i><br /><br />I just skimmed the first half or so of the points and saw a number of gems that I was shocked would come from a liberal publisher.<br /><br /><i>Even if this highly dubious idea were true, its still not f@#$ing acceptable. Money is important, but it has never crossed my mind that I should reject my ancestors, their history and legacy just so that I can a have a bit extra money in my pocket.</i><br /><br />You remind me, I was going to say something similar in my comments about reciprocity; that immigration reciprocity has as its premise the globalist, homo economicus theory of man as dollar machine. There's no putting a dollar value on certain fundamentals.<br /><br />The true capitalist will sell you the rope to hang him with.Svigornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78117003522831891662013-11-25T13:54:48.902-08:002013-11-25T13:54:48.902-08:00There is a surprising amount of sense in what Coll...There is a surprising amount of sense in what Collier writes, and the wonder is that he got it published in the New Statesman. There have been other indications that the Labour party has had second thoughts about immigration, probably because it senses an electoral threat from UKIP.<br /><br />What I liked most was the bit about 'yet more policy based evidence'. Here is a man who grasps how Labour, and for that matter the Conservative 'modernisers', conduct their business.Philip Nealnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75550548970526373952013-11-25T12:20:33.004-08:002013-11-25T12:20:33.004-08:00A-G said:
Am I the only one who suspects Dr. Vibra...A-G said:<br /><i>Am I the only one who suspects Dr. Vibrant has a personal motive for wanting to be surrounded by thousands of homosexuals?</i><br /><br />If so, then the "vibrant" nations are a poor choice, as they tend to be homophobic (and sexist and patriarchical too). Could it be not so much thousands of homosexuals, but thousands of innocent youths to be exploited?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52783626233305942932013-11-25T12:06:23.558-08:002013-11-25T12:06:23.558-08:00So if we decide to legalize 11 million illegal Mex...<i>So if we decide to legalize 11 million illegal Mexicans maybe we should negotiate 11 million blue-haired retirees for Mexico.</i><br /><br />Hmmm, not a bad idea. Since overseas health care supplies and services are NOT paid by Medicare, we would be exporting a massive Medicare liability.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6856555545961488162013-11-25T11:00:34.186-08:002013-11-25T11:00:34.186-08:00Funny, I was just thinking that they want Rick'...<i>Funny, I was just thinking that they want Rick's Cafe, but without the war: a bunch of interesting people of various nationalities hanging out and drinking wine and singing songs in various languages, with new and interesting people coming and going regularly. </i><br /><br />They want to be wealthy customers and bosses in Rick's Cafe, with a wonderfully diverse and vibrant crowd of employees to serve them while they talk about lofty things (or not so lofty things) with other people who are like them: rich, educated, and free. <br /><br />That's the kind of life that they enjoy in their Moroccan residences. Their left-wing consciences are not bothered by the fact that Morocco is an authoritarian islamic state with very high levels of corruption. I guess that when you're rich and connected to the right people, the corruption of the natives is actually a bonus.<br /><br />Farangnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17123711698451054252013-11-25T10:35:35.409-08:002013-11-25T10:35:35.409-08:00"According to persistent rumors, Jack Lang is...<i>"According to persistent rumors, Jack Lang is a pedophile"<br />Does he holiday with Frederic Mitterrand? </i><br /><br />I guess that most of us French people think that culture and the arts are a gay thing, or at least gay-friendly. We imagine the Minister of Culture as an effeminate socialite, eager to kiss Sylvester Stallone on the cheeks during official cocktail parties. No joke: Stallone got a <i>Ministère de la Culture</i> medal from Jack Lang, he is <i>Chevalier des Arts et Lettres</i>.<br />http://stallone-sylvester.skyrock.com/1115035074-Chevalier-des-arts-et-des-lettres.html<br /><br />And who else but gay men could convincingly fake enthusiasm and admiration for modern abstract paintings and street graffiti, anyway?<br /><br /><i>your living standards can still go down even if your income stays the same, if your society has gotten worse </i><br /><br />Exactly. When cheap housing is no longer available because cheap areas have become dangerous because of immigrant criminals, and when you have to send your children to private schools because the local public schools have become both dangerous and inefficient, your living standards have gone down even if your income has risen a little.Farangnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4441588154654970732013-11-25T09:48:38.754-08:002013-11-25T09:48:38.754-08:00Funny, I was just thinking that they want Rick'...<i>Funny, I was just thinking that they want Rick's Cafe, but without the war: a bunch of interesting people of various nationalities hanging out and drinking wine and singing songs in various languages, with new and interesting people coming and going regularly.</i><br /><br />They want an earthly version of the Mos Eisley Cantina.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87380597507694990792013-11-25T09:37:41.051-08:002013-11-25T09:37:41.051-08:00How can it be that the host society would experien...<i>How can it be that the host society would experience "substantial reductions in living standards" if the effect on average income is "trivial"?</i><br /><br />You're not reading carefully. The average income of the INDIGENOUS population doesn't change but the average income of the LARGER population is reduced, and "living standards" are being calculated on the latter basis. Furthermore, your living standards can still go down even if your income stays the same, if your society has gotten worse (more costs associated with crime and welfare to be borne by the taxpayer, etc.).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66432101957797331102013-11-25T09:32:03.728-08:002013-11-25T09:32:03.728-08:00Yeah, what "social gain" is he talking a...Yeah, what "social gain" is he talking about.<br /><br />And why is it that the eventual costs of breeding aren't dealt with. Does he think the host country's collective IQ will go up?<br /><br />Ah, wait, of course I know why he didn't include that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63234806934234841372013-11-25T09:31:27.396-08:002013-11-25T09:31:27.396-08:00There's also something else: where servants ar...<i>There's also something else: where servants are available for peanuts, sex is also available for peanuts. All kinds of sex. According to persistent rumors, Jack Lang is a pedophile. A few years ago another former government minister suggested on TV that Jack Lang had been arrested (and quickly released) in Morocco during a sex party with young boys. The rumor hasn't been disproved.</i><br /><br />Similar deal with Frédéric Mitterrand, former culture minister of France and nephew of the former president of France François Mitterrand. The elites seem to have a thing for slavery.<br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/6270217/Frederic-Mitterrand-admitted-to-paying-for-sex-with-young-boys-in-Thailand.html<br /><br />"Frédéric Mitterrand admitted to paying for sex with 'young boys’ in Thailand<br /><br />Frédéric Mitterrand, France’s culture minister, was under pressure to resign after it emerged that he had admitted to paying “young boys” for sexual acts while on holiday in Thailand."<br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/6270217/Frederic-Mitterrand-admitted-to-paying-for-sex-with-young-boys-in-Thailand.html<br /><br />"The revelations in his 2005 autobiography “The Bad Life” have come back to haunt Mr Mitterrand after he emerged as one of the most vociferous defenders of Roman Polanski, the film director currently detained in Switzerland in connection with an outstanding conviction for unlawful sexual intercourse with a 13-year-old girl in the US in 1977.<br /><br />In his book, Mr Mitterrand, the nephew of the late Socialist president François Mitterrand, wrote: “I got into the habit of paying for boys...All these rituals of the market for youths, <b>the slave market excite me enormously</b>.<br /><br />“One could judge this abominable spectacle from a moral standpoint but <b>it pleases me beyond the reasonable</b>.”<br /><br />Curiously, there was little outcry when the book was published in 2005. However, Mr Mitterrand’s tastes were brought to the fore on Monday by Marine Le Pen, daughter of the far-right National Front leader, Jean-Marie Le Pen, on a political chat show.<br /><br />Miss Le Pen read out a passage in which Mr Mitterrand wrote: “The profusion of very attractive and immediately available young boys puts me in a state of desire that I no longer need to hinder nor hide...as I know that I will not be refused.”"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35236930645431423292013-11-25T09:20:26.689-08:002013-11-25T09:20:26.689-08:00I've always thought something like that would ...<b>I've always thought something like that would be a good idea. Let as many Indian software engineers in to the US as the number of Americans who wish to emigrate to India.</b><br /><br />A variation on this, to discouraged American citizenship being used as a form of currency for arranged marriages: let one newlywed come to America <i>from</i> India for every newlywed American who moves <i>to</i> India.Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25266799460311281482013-11-25T09:16:07.385-08:002013-11-25T09:16:07.385-08:00So if we decide to legalize 11 million illegal Mex...<b>So if we decide to legalize 11 million illegal Mexicans maybe we should negotiate 11 million blue-haired retirees for Mexico.</b><br /><br />Not the same. The young Mexicans moving here will breed. The American retirees settling in Mexico won't, for the most part (excluding perhaps a few men who attract Mexican women with their money ).<br /><br />Further, the Mexicans coming to the US will be coming for jobs. They drive down wages for competing, unskilled Americans and send much of their money back home. They will be bringing <i>labor supply</i>.<br /><br />American retirees headed to Mexico won't be working. They will be taking their retirement incomes with them. They will be taking <i>labor demand</i>.<br /><br />The net effect on working age Americans will actually be worse than if the retirees had stayed. The net political effect will be worse than if the retirees had stayed (since many of them would opt not to vote).<br /><br />The kind of immigration and emigration can matter every bit as much as the amount.Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33161553411696711862013-11-25T08:59:36.895-08:002013-11-25T08:59:36.895-08:00China has lost manufacturing jobs to Mexico or Vie...China has lost manufacturing jobs to Mexico or Vietnam. India has lost call center worked to Mexico or the Philippines, where are you at. Tech worked India probably gain but lots of call center worked moved to the Philippines.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55462322985461817662013-11-25T08:56:17.124-08:002013-11-25T08:56:17.124-08:00Actually Mexico is a fairly popular retirement des...Actually Mexico is a fairly popular retirement destination for Americans - with some luck and the right place to live. Low cost of living, good service mentality, respectful attitude..<br />It isn't only 1 million Americans went there. Most Americans don't like Mexico even if its cheaper, sorry. I would as mention before encourage Mexicans to return to their own stopping grounds not as hard as you think. Reagan legalized 3 million and most at that time were Mexicans. They are collecting society security or are going to collect society security in 20 years. Pay them more to return to the rural areas they came from, they will take up the deal and 2 million of them will go home. cinc210https://www.blogger.com/profile/07356093909391087173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88009768530482719692013-11-25T08:43:49.643-08:002013-11-25T08:43:49.643-08:00I would not say the tide is turning but there is s...I would not say the tide is turning but there is some non-right arguments against immigration which is a good sign since everyone ignores the right. The Left is a key if its split on the issue like the right has been then it weakens the argument. As I mention a machine to reduce dry wall workers does more than thousands of politicians. The illegals didn't leave the US until the economy tank by 2009.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71812518995614272452013-11-25T08:37:10.351-08:002013-11-25T08:37:10.351-08:00The first thing to remember, when you are dealing ...The first thing to remember, when you are dealing with immigrationists is that they are little more than a damnable bunch of dirty, cheating, shameless, fanatical bare-faced liars. You're not dealing with normal, honest people, you are dealing with the deranged, the mentally-ill, the pathological. Maybe there are a few exceptions, but in my experience the above holds for at least 99% of the time.<br /><br />Case in point, consider the uncontrolled mass immigration Britain's disgusting New Labour foisted on the nation. Firstly, they did it all secretly - therewas absolutely no public consultation or manifesto mentionings. Secondly the lies used to justify it vary with time. Before the financial f*ck-up, the excuse was 'we need them to fill gaps in the labor market' - then unemployment sky-rocketed. Then you heard 'we need them to maintain economic growth' then the economy crashed. Now all you hear all of the time is 'we need them to pay for our pensions' - that, admittedly, is a new one on me, never herad it 10 or 20 years ago, a new readymade excuse for a new era. Never mind the fact that immigrants age like all of us. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20068015037936269402013-11-25T08:24:15.789-08:002013-11-25T08:24:15.789-08:00In high-income societies, the effect of immigratio...<i>In high-income societies, the effect of immigration on the average incomes of the indigenous population is trivial. </i> <br /><br /><br />Yes and no. In the short run and in terms of the average income for the indigenous population, the effect is trivial. But in the long term the effect is not trivial. Over time the new immigrants alter the entire culture of the host country, and can do so in very damaging ways. This takes decades to happen of course and economists don't even try to think in such time scales.<br /><br />Even in the short term, where the net effect on the indigenous population can be called "trivial", there are winners and losers from immigration among the "natives". Generally speaking the effect of open borders is that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, which is why the rich are such big fans of open borders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85874063855853321512013-11-25T08:16:41.095-08:002013-11-25T08:16:41.095-08:00The decline in remittances to Mexico—nearly all of...The decline in remittances to Mexico—nearly all of which come from the U.S.—is linked to economic changes in the U.S., where one-in-ten Mexican-born people live (Passel, Cohn and Gonzalez-Barrera, 2012). The U.S. housing market crash hurt Mexican immigrants for whom the construction industry is a major job source, although a World Bank analysis concludes that the housing market’s link to remittance totals has weakened since 2011 (World Bank, 2013).<br /><br />Another factor in the fall of remittances to Mexico could be the decline in the Mexican immigrant population in the U.S. since the onset of the recession, due to decreased arrivals and increased departures, including deportations. A Pew Research Center analysis of government data found that recent migration from the U.S. to Mexico equals and possibly exceeds migration from Mexico to the U.S. through at least 2012 (Passel, Cohn and Gonzalez-Barrera, 2012).<br />Pew is saying recent group more from Central America than Mexico, less population but still have to keep our guard. This explains the rise of illegal immigrants through El Paso and less through San Diego or Tucson.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29855952993817511602013-11-25T08:02:47.334-08:002013-11-25T08:02:47.334-08:00a bunch of interesting people of various nationali...<i>a bunch of interesting people of various nationalities hanging out and drinking wine and singing songs in various languages, with new and interesting people coming and going regularly.</i><br /><br />I sometimes wonder if there is some sexual titillation at work with immigration advocates. Desire for more, and more exotic, sexual partners.<br /><br />Am I the only one who suspects <a href="http://media.monstersandcritics.com/galleries/1253003/RWP-00022950085.jpg" rel="nofollow">Dr. Vibrant</a> has a personal motive for wanting to be surrounded by thousands of homosexuals?The Anti-Gnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386593803225823789noreply@blogger.com