tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post4101680754900332515..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Burying the LedeUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19649865075973969842013-02-26T22:05:59.167-08:002013-02-26T22:05:59.167-08:00"The BBC eight or so years back were complain..."The BBC eight or so years back were complaining that Asians were being rejected for med school - something like 30% of applicants but only 20% of acceptances."<br /><br />A lot of Asian students under parental pressure to go to medical school will be quite happy with the high rejection rate for Asian students - it's saves them from having to tell their parents they don't want to go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13473519558786966032013-02-25T05:46:45.869-08:002013-02-25T05:46:45.869-08:00Funny, I live in one of the world's major cent...Funny, I live in one of the world's major centers of medical excellence, and there are no problems here; you'd be hard-pressed to find a native-born black male doctor here. Harvard may be the font from whence bad PC baloney springs, but Harvard Medical School isn't a big part of it. Mass General, Beth Israel, etc. are probably 95% white and Asian doctors, and because the teaching hospitals get federal dollars, the support staffs are almost exclusively black and Hispanic.<br /><br />But the hospitals in Boston attract the best and brightest in the world, so it would be difficult to marble in unqualified AA hires. I had minor surgery at Mass General a couple years ago, and the team was a British-Indian surgeon assisted by a Korean woman, anesthesia by an drop-dead gorgeous woman from Iceland, and three nurses, colorful Irish broads from Southie.<br /><br />It's an absolute truth that a majority of black patients DON'T want black doctors, or nurses for that matter. My girlfriend is a nurse case manager at the "urban" hospital (best trauma unit in New England; Mass General transfers gunshot victims to them) and her biggest issue is straightening out problems between black patients and the under-trained yet arrogant Haitian nurses. Almost all her minority doctors are foreign. Her main job is setting up discharge plans, and her black patients from Boston are always asking for rehabs and skilled nursing facilities outside the city. That is, if Medicaid will pay for it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44881549792963662082013-02-24T13:45:20.509-08:002013-02-24T13:45:20.509-08:00"If a space alien landed on earth and watched..."If a space alien landed on earth and watched only House Hunters, he would think that American couples are comprised only of inter-racial and gay pairings."<br /><br />LOL, he'd think the same thing if he read this site for a week.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86843982673512395292013-02-24T13:43:41.893-08:002013-02-24T13:43:41.893-08:00"Not true. Many White females travel to black..."Not true. Many White females travel to black foreign destinations and get killed."<br /><br />Yep, and don't even <a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/23/will-the-oscar-pistorius-murder-case-be-the-next-o-j-simpson-trial.html" rel="nofollow">need to get on a plane!</a><br />Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68226894317182369782013-02-24T13:39:42.753-08:002013-02-24T13:39:42.753-08:00"I would much prefer a world in which everyon..."I would much prefer a world in which everyone's accomplishments are likely to reflect their abilities and work and learning."<br /><br />We have that world, it's called "The Medical Bar Exam."Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17508590245140864342013-02-24T13:37:39.709-08:002013-02-24T13:37:39.709-08:00" An IQ of 130 is about two SDs above the ori..." An IQ of 130 is about two SDs above the oriental mean but three for blacks." <br /><br />Not, technically it's one and a half above "orientals", three above blacks...and two above whites.<br /><br />"There are lots of famous black politicians. A few famous black lawyers. But almost no black doctors, famous or not."<br /><br />Oh, I don't know, Sport, the next guy you will be voting for for president qualifies...<br /><br />http://news.yahoo.com/dr-ben-carson-president-ill-leave-god-130554763--abc-news-politics.html Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18693844186224671782013-02-24T13:32:04.843-08:002013-02-24T13:32:04.843-08:00"Do they prefer that the majority of the dive..."Do they prefer that the majority of the diversity in America's medical schools look like Christopher Dorner and not Sung Kang ? And if yes, why is that ?"<br /><br />I wouldn't want the majority of diversity in medical schools to look like either a 34 year old policemen, or a 40 year old actor, but maybe that's just me.<br />Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69864541020495845962013-02-24T10:39:55.579-08:002013-02-24T10:39:55.579-08:00"Why do they care so much about black men in ..."Why do they care so much about black men in particular? I guess the applications of the black women aren't important enough to them." - To raise the status of black males. And since status is a zero sum game...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38059940884841141842013-02-24T10:09:22.626-08:002013-02-24T10:09:22.626-08:00The capscha block asks us to prove that we are not...<i>The capscha block asks us to prove that we are not robots. So obviously you are exerting a Darwinian pressure on robots to evolve. How long can it be before software robots have good enough visual perceptions that they can figure out these little puzzles? Five years? Less?</i><br /><br />Less. They've gone from easy to solve to "toss-up" for humans in the last five years. I think they're pretty close to parity now.<br /><br /><i>When my wife was pregnant with our fourth child, the doctor that was recommended to us to perform an invasive, possibly dangerous prenatal procedure was a black guy at Cedars Sinai. He came highly recommended, did a great job, and our son was born healthy and happy. Some of you people project way too many of your fears and resentments onto others. </i><br /><br />Hey, some people are more comfortable taking risks with their children's and pregnant wives' lives. As to your implied advice, I threw it into the trash bin, where you should have put the PC, untrustworthy advice you received via recommendation.Svigornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23148441592366527462013-02-24T09:59:52.431-08:002013-02-24T09:59:52.431-08:00Steve or another reader:
Can you please explain t...Steve or another reader:<br /><br />Can you please explain this article to me? It says that the "number of first-time applications from blacks grew a mere 36% (2,361 in 1977 to 3,215 in 2011)."<br /><br />The headline and other paragraphs, however, indicate black applications have fallen. Is this a typo? Are black applications up or down?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84720265302569242272013-02-24T09:38:33.359-08:002013-02-24T09:38:33.359-08:00Anon: "Nobody can be so PC as to put their li...<i>Anon: "Nobody can be so PC as to put their life in danger."<br /><br />Not true. Many White females travel to black foreign destinations and get killed. Many others fraternize with and date black males and end up dead.</i><br /><br />White females love traveling to Africa alone to live and do social work for a few months or years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21584996964087756552013-02-24T08:19:19.074-08:002013-02-24T08:19:19.074-08:00"European agriculture was fairly varied accor..."European agriculture was fairly varied according to place. In the British Isles a lot of people subsisted off of root crops. There are plenty of medieval illuminations showing women participating in wheat harvests. Also historically women's freedom of movement was higher in Northwestern Europe than in virtually all other civilized places. Viking women ran farms for half the year while men raided. You're forgetting about the selection pressure of war on men, which may have had a larger role in sex differences than agriculture/equality of roles."<br /><br />As I said, it's only a just-so story that I'm throwing out.<br /><br />But I think it may be a mistake to focus too heavily in any case on the last millenium or two -- while I'm sure a thousand or two years can have some real effect across peoples, it's less likely I think to have had a major effect on the differences between genders, which I'd expect to respond considerably more slowly, given the relative indirectness of differential selection. I suspect that differences between genders based on race mostly go deeper into history.candid_observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9372790637405752612013-02-24T05:46:34.443-08:002013-02-24T05:46:34.443-08:00I attended graduate school at a medical school in ...I attended graduate school at a medical school in Philadelphia. One of our professors was on the admissions board for medical students, and would discuss their biographies (anonymously) with us over lunch and ask us what we thought about them. After mentioning one applicant's MCAT score, someone asked what was a "good" score to get into medical school. The professor replied "Is the student white or black?". We were a little taken aback by his frankness. The answer is 30 for white students and 23 for black students. FYI 23 was the average score and what I rec'd on a practice test once with no preparation.<br /><br />I hope that either (a) the MCAT doesn't correlate with actual performance or (b) I never have a black doctor.Andrew Ryannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79081250722042437952013-02-24T02:23:50.147-08:002013-02-24T02:23:50.147-08:00@anon: "Some of you people..." Te he....@anon: "Some of you people..." Te he.E. Rekshunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10739992734158348122013-02-23T21:30:38.439-08:002013-02-23T21:30:38.439-08:00The miniscule number of black doctors - and dentis...The miniscule number of black doctors - and dentists - I've interacted with were excellent enough to be remarkable, and seemed to have booming practices. Dunno if this is the standard experience. But I live in a very white area...AA docs probably go elsewhere.<br /><br />>And even fewer black engineers, I would imagine.<<br /><br /><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Society_of_Black_Engineers" rel="nofollow">NSBE</a><br /><br />I wager it isn't academically helpful, just something else to get members' money. Anecdote time - I knew a member. He was in his 20s and owned the house next door to us...raised hell every weekend. Think of a blaxploitation version of John Belushi in "Animal House" and you've got a precise image. Maybe he was sowing his oats and went on to better things. (Dunno, because we moved, for this and similar reasons.)Davidhttp://david-passingparade2.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18579030079297535122013-02-23T21:20:11.010-08:002013-02-23T21:20:11.010-08:00"I can't think of any evolutionary reason...<br />"I can't think of any evolutionary reason to assume that there aren't such differences between genders across races. To throw out a just so story, perhaps the sort of rice paddy agriculture of China, which might be best suited by equal roles for both male and female, would engender fewer differences than the sort of agriculture of Europe. In Europe it may have been that, say, males were more needed for their strength to do work in the fields, which in turn created, across the board, a more dominant role outside, relegating women to a more strictly household role. "<br /><br />European agriculture was fairly varied according to place. In the British Isles a lot of people subsisted off of root crops. There are plenty of medieval illuminations showing women participating in wheat harvests. Also historically women's freedom of movement was higher in Northwestern Europe than in virtually all other civilized places. Viking women ran farms for half the year while men raided. You're forgetting about the selection pressure of war on men, which may have had a larger role in sex differences than agriculture/equality of roles.Anonyianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48799939027616170462013-02-23T21:17:40.573-08:002013-02-23T21:17:40.573-08:00anon 7:39:
I've had good experiences with bla...anon 7:39:<br /><br />I've had good experiences with black doctors, and one of the pediatricians at my kids' practice is a black woman with whom we're wuite comfortable. (I trust the guy running the practice to evaluate the people he hires.) But affirmative action creates an incentive to discriminate against blacks, on the part of rational patients with no particular dislike for blacks. The average black medical student is not as smart as the average white or Asian medical student, and that's by design, in order to fulfill a social goal of having "enough" black doctors out there. <br /><br />I would much prefer a world in which everyone's accomplishments are likely to reflect their abilities and work and learning. But as long as we don't live in that world, rational patients are going to have an extra factor to weigh in choosing a doctor. I don't know how much weoght it deserves--probably not all that much, given the licensing and testing doctors go through--but it deserves some weight.NOTAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31300356522092263642013-02-23T21:06:22.960-08:002013-02-23T21:06:22.960-08:00America tanks - women and minorities hardest hit.America tanks - women and minorities hardest hit.Davidhttp://david-passingparade2.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46862580753702257922013-02-23T19:39:42.585-08:002013-02-23T19:39:42.585-08:00When my wife was pregnant with our fourth child, t...When my wife was pregnant with our fourth child, the doctor that was recommended to us to perform an invasive, possibly dangerous prenatal procedure was a black guy at Cedars Sinai. He came highly recommended, did a great job, and our son was born healthy and happy. Some of you people project way too many of your fears and resentments onto others. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71962393333023744962013-02-23T17:48:51.184-08:002013-02-23T17:48:51.184-08:00There are lots of famous black politicians. A few ...<i>There are lots of famous black politicians. A few famous black lawyers. But almost no black doctors, famous or not. </i><br /><br />And even fewer black engineers, I would imagine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32796243648915334092013-02-23T17:23:54.085-08:002013-02-23T17:23:54.085-08:00pat/albertosaurus --
Working for Kaiser as a gene...pat/albertosaurus --<br /><br />Working for Kaiser as a general internist is not among the more prestigious or highly paid physician jobs, and Oakland (though it has its nice parts) is not a place most American Jewish docs would aspire to live. If you look at specialists in more desirable locations and in private practice, you may find more Jewish names. Regardless, you are right that the practice of medicine has declined in status with younger Jews. They are looking for a high payoff for less work, whereas medicine offers a moderate payoff for enormous work. And that is only is going to get worse with health care reform. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35403733283372722832013-02-23T16:55:56.850-08:002013-02-23T16:55:56.850-08:00Nobody can be so PC as to put their life in danger...<i>Nobody can be so PC as to put their life in danger.</i><br /><br />A woman was <a href="http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/013106.html" rel="nofollow">raped </a>in Bakersfield, CA a few years ago because she continued to walk to her car despite the presence of a menacing looking figure standing next to it.<br /><br /><i>The woman had just left the Babies R Us store on when she noticed a man in a tattered military coat lurking in the parking lot, she told police. The woman told detectives she was worried because the man looked like a thug, but she didn’t want to seem racist.</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79680011438987729782013-02-23T15:59:13.952-08:002013-02-23T15:59:13.952-08:00"There are lots of famous black politicians. ..."There are lots of famous black politicians. A few famous black lawyers. But almost no black doctors, famous or not."<br />What about Conrad Murray?<br />Tonynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4636715502504247182013-02-23T15:19:32.821-08:002013-02-23T15:19:32.821-08:00I just finished reading this piece on the dearth o...I just finished reading this piece on the dearth of black male med students and clicked on the wide screen to watch House Hunters. Of course, the first couple is a black male med resident and his attractive, shapely Eurasian wife. They're looking for a $400K single-family home in Atlanta. While he is fairly well-spoken, I suggest that the prospective doctor keep his lab coat on while in the OR to conceal his bicep tattoo.<br /><br />If a space alien landed on earth and watched only House Hunters, he would think that American couples are comprised only of inter-racial and gay pairings.E. Rekshunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47825548066101758502013-02-23T14:49:46.734-08:002013-02-23T14:49:46.734-08:00Anon: "Nobody can be so PC as to put their l...Anon: "Nobody can be so PC as to put their life in danger."<br /><br />Not true. Many White females travel to black foreign destinations and get killed. Many others fraternize with and date black males and end up dead. SWPLs often let blacks in their homes or generally let them get too close because they don't want to appear "racist."<br /><br />There is plenty of news about many of these incidents on truth=telling web sites, and occasionally in the MSM.E. Rekshunnoreply@blogger.com