tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post4485573114079744240..comments2024-03-29T05:14:33.223-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: 2008 SAT scores by race by incomeUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger90125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4278350198651940012017-07-19T11:24:08.548-07:002017-07-19T11:24:08.548-07:00Steve, reading your post reminded me that I always...Steve, reading your post reminded me that I always find I have more in common and better rapport with fellow EE's that any other kind of income or race grouping. Clear thinking, clean math, no nonsense. Sure non-EE's can have those attributes, but they really cluster in the profession. The world would be a better place if only those who could do a fourier transform were allowed to raise kids, vote or post comments online. Not going to happen, but it is something to shoot for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64190313436292912682016-12-03T18:11:05.253-08:002016-12-03T18:11:05.253-08:00Please explain why that is so? It is a standardize...Please explain why that is so? It is a standardized test that is not meant to determine stupidity, but rather to weed out people based on "perceived" intelligence using percentiles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26268817971719827602015-01-06T01:07:25.711-08:002015-01-06T01:07:25.711-08:00I know some white people commenting above want to ...I know some white people commenting above want to make their superiority God-given but come on. The ONLY takeaway from the SAT chart is for black American parents to do a better job of educating their kids (i.e., getting them in AP classes) and getting them to be better test takers.<br /><br />RE: Genetics, mulattos, etc. >>><br /><br />Charles Murray had a conjecture about genetics nearly 10 years before the human genome was sequenced. Where is his follow-up now that genetic information is more available? So far his only follow-up was about poor whites taking on bad habits. By that notion, poor whites must be genetically inferior in mentality to rich whites, and whites in general must be genetically inferior in mentality to Asians and Africans who immigrate to the US. <br /><br />Except for identical twins, triplets, etc. we all have different DNA so to attribute DNA as the main difference for millions of people is lazy nowadays especially with something as complex as intelligence which is largely influenced by environment. <br /><br />According to 23andme my ancestral mix is 25% European, 74% Sub-Saharan African and 1% Asian. So which racial part of that DNA caused me to prefer math since 1st grade, get 670 on the math portion of the SATs and go on to get a bachelor's degree electrical engineering? Mind you individual sections of my chromosome are mapped to race so you'll need to be fairly specific in your speculation. The truth is no one knows and any guessing is pointless, says phrenology.<br /><br />My dad also got an electrical engineering degree so there's probably a genetic component of temperament I got from him - he's 78% Sub-Saharan African, 17% European and 2% Asian and 0.5% Middle East and North African. Again, you'd need to be specific to point out which racial areas of his chromosomes give math a preference in my brain like it does in his.<br /><br /><br />RE: affirmative action, types of employment >>><br /><br />If the above chart was SELF income versus one's own SAT score then you might have a point about affirmative action. But just because some parents fail to do well in educating their children doesn't mean they are bad employees undeserving of their jobs.<br /><br />Blacks have lots of government jobs? I dunno. For federal civilian employment in 2008, 17.6% of employees are black and that's about our average in the population. For upper income federal civilian jobs, which most people mention above, it's only 11% so we're underrepresented in higher grade levels. Of course you knew that but you feel better when demeaning people for something that's not even true. (censusDOTgov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0501.pdf)<br /><br />Whites make up 67% of the federal government though 76% of upper income positions. According to one comment above that's a terrible thing and whites are undeserving moochers. But clearly whites making up 76% of upper income positions in federal civil service would be a matter of pride not shame. I see some racial hypocrisy in the comments above. <br /><br />Most higher income jobs blacks are entertainers and athletes? Really? in 2012 there were 250,000 black households over $200,000. It's hard to see half of these households with at least one an athlete or entertainer. Maybe 10%, not 50%. (censusDOTgov/hhes/www/cpstables/032013/hhinc/hinc01_000.htm)<br /><br />The 50% number seems unlikely especially considering as of 2013 there were 201,000 blacks with doctorates, 186,000 blacks with professional degrees, 1.5 million blacks with master's degrees, and 3.8 million blacks with bachelor's degrees. (censusDOTgov/hhes/socdemo/education/data/cps/2013/tables.html)<br />kevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12690487171508339822014-06-18T22:12:41.578-07:002014-06-18T22:12:41.578-07:00Take into account the rozenthal effect
http://www...Take into account the rozenthal effect<br /><br />http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/sats/etc/gap.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29406882976888187892014-03-18T15:40:39.185-07:002014-03-18T15:40:39.185-07:00Anonymous said "1130 is bizarrely atrocious. ...Anonymous said "1130 is bizarrely atrocious. I don't think I had a single friend in high school who did anywhere near that bad (and that was before the re-calibration)."<br /><br />You meant badly or poorly, not "bad". Under the old 1600 point test, 1130 would have put one in the 69th percentile (i.e. scored better than 69% of test takers). I scored 1410 in 1985 (and Whiskey, I married a white woman)! <br /><br />See data for 2006:<br /><br />http://www.collegeboard.com/prod_downloads/highered/ra/sat/SATPercentileRanksCompositeCR_M.pdf<br /><br />Today on the 2400 point test, 1130is indeed atrocious, somewhere around the 10th percentile. Different Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51000414104581932942014-03-18T12:46:23.018-07:002014-03-18T12:46:23.018-07:00Did anyone note the "Black Female Nuclear Eng...Did anyone note the "Black Female Nuclear Engineer" on "Survivor" this season?<br /><br />"Dr. J’Tia Taylor is a nuclear engineer at Argonne National Laboratory—and on the cast for the newest season of Survivor, which premiered on February 26 at 8/7c on CBS. J’Tia received her Ph.D. in nuclear engineering from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and was the first black female to successfully defend and receive a Ph.D. from the department. She now works at Argonne in the area of nuclear nonproliferation policy—learn more about J’Tia’s work at Argonne here."<br /><br />Classic Black government employee doing nothing productive in the US and getting $$$ leaching off of the poor taxpayer.<br /><br />http://ansnuclearcafe.org/2014/02/26/argonne-nuclear-engineer-on-new-season-of-survivor-premiers-tonight/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16591279275082171182014-03-18T06:35:15.909-07:002014-03-18T06:35:15.909-07:00So you have to be in the Obama-before-he-became-pr...So you have to be in the Obama-before-he-became-president income class before a black family is going to top the scores of the poorest whites. However, won't a lot of those rich blacks be the sort of Colin Powell "blacks" Steve regularly finds whose skins are barely swarthy? So it looks like more than genetics is going on.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45607025056361817342014-03-18T01:53:32.684-07:002014-03-18T01:53:32.684-07:00"OT, but it can't be good for Nicholas Wa..."OT, but it can't be good for Nicholas Wade that the two earliest reviews of his book Troublesome Inheritance are from VDare and AmRen. All the prestige-press reviewers are going to see them when they do some Googling and it might close their minds to Wade's arguments.<br /><br />I would be annoyed if I were Wade.<br /><br />AmRen's undeniable hatred for blacks and latinos should be an embarrassment to who argue HBD need not be a threat to a broadly liberal society."<br /><br />Yes, but the first rule HBD is: You can't choose your family.<br /><br />Gilbert P<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6105736668570345422014-03-17T15:07:16.422-07:002014-03-17T15:07:16.422-07:00"Anonymous said...
1130 is bizarrely atrociou..."Anonymous said...<br />1130 is bizarrely atrocious. I don't think I had a single friend in high school who did anywhere near that bad (and that was before the re-calibration). Is it successful real estate agents, car dealership owners, and local TV news anchors dragging down the average?"<br /><br />It's almost a standard deviation above the average. Are you being serious here? <br /><br />You might not have had many friends with that score in your advanced classes (or at your small, wealthy private school), but even the best public schools in the country (LI, CT, DC, etc.) have plenty of "average" students. Hell, there are probably one or two basketball players at Harvard every year with SAT scores in that range.Renaultnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73718023897163176122014-03-17T14:03:59.871-07:002014-03-17T14:03:59.871-07:00Black people have, on average, better "sales&...Black people have, on average, better "sales" ability than whites (at least relative to IQ). Since sales ability is one of the few abilities not highly correlated with IQ which actually improves people's income all across the range (unlike athletic ability, which gets you squat until you're in the top 0.01%), blacks who are smart enough to get jobs where sales/PR skill is useful will tend to do pretty well.<br /><br />Big corporations are under a lot of pressure to hire blacks into high-paying positions. But they're not stupid. So they hire blacks who managed to get through college, and put them in some sort of public-facing "sales" role, where they will probably outperform their IQ. Because these jobs are public-facing, the AA bean-counters, who are pathetically lazy, will look, see a few black guys (or gals) doing news conferences, and be happy. Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389602137217799305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82645203472894268772014-03-17T12:16:29.250-07:002014-03-17T12:16:29.250-07:00It Was Right To Dumb Down The SAT
http://wmbriggs....<br />It Was Right To Dumb Down The SAT<br />http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=11787<br /><br /><br />LOL<br /><br />I don't know if it is right, but it sure does make it way easier to get an 800 on math.<br /><br />I keep telling my son if you get a 790, they know how smart you are, but if you get an 800, they don't. Tons of top students used to be segregated in the 700's but now they are all grouped together in the 800. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80177004168344316332014-03-17T09:44:49.713-07:002014-03-17T09:44:49.713-07:00"The average is that low...
This is an "..."The average is that low...<br /><br />This is an "if i'm so smart, why aren't I rich" moment.<br /><br />FML" - its not about what you know, its about who you know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46953977758951373442014-03-17T03:42:42.516-07:002014-03-17T03:42:42.516-07:001130 is bizarrely atrocious. I don't think I h...<i>1130 is bizarrely atrocious. I don't think I had a single friend in high school who did anywhere near that bad (and that was before the re-calibration).</i><br /><br />In the business world I've met a lot of wealthy people who would have been hard pressed to score 1130. They are mostly entrepreneurs in retail businesses, restaurant franchises, real estate, landscaping, or other endeavors where hard work and focus count toward success more than innovation or analysis. I would be surprised if Donald Trump scored more than 1200 to be honest - he is fairly typical of a certain type of businessman.Peter the Sharknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18291413482935497392014-03-16T21:27:41.792-07:002014-03-16T21:27:41.792-07:00"Anonymous said...
Many could be working for..."Anonymous said...<br /><br />Many could be working for government or some bogus occupation. What was that position that Michelle held in Chicago hospital? Diversity something or the other?"<br /><br />Community outrage coordinator....excuse me.....outreach coordinator. A $160,000 per year job. And her salary suddenly doubled as soon as her husband left the Illinois statehouse (where he was on the committee overseeing hospitals) for the US Senate, and then - just as miraculously - was deemed unnecessary and went unfilled as soon as Michelle quit to go to Washington. I guess she did such a bang up job that there was nothing left that needed to be done.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6577355921796040182014-03-16T21:17:37.891-07:002014-03-16T21:17:37.891-07:00"Anonymous said...
AmRen's undeniable ha..."Anonymous said...<br /><br />AmRen's undeniable hatred for blacks and latinos should be an embarrassment to who argue HBD need not be a threat to a broadly liberal society."<br /><br />Check out who's running AmRen these days. It has no love for whites either.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87801679131847659312014-03-16T21:15:47.580-07:002014-03-16T21:15:47.580-07:00"Anonymous said....
Seriously, though, the H..."Anonymous said....<br /><br />Seriously, though, the HBD argument is that we can openly and socially recognize group differences without damaging the commitment to treat people as individuals rather than as representatives of groups. The iSteve comment section, however, is a continuous argument against that proposition."<br /><br />Who says? That may be your HBD argument, but it isn't mine. Mine is that I want an end to the official line of bullshit that we're all supposed to pretend to believe - bullshit that hurts MY people and puts them at a disadvantage.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42399848128991524462014-03-16T20:46:19.237-07:002014-03-16T20:46:19.237-07:00"C'mon, dude, this is The Dark Enlightenm..."C'mon, dude, this is The Dark Enlightenment."<br /><br />No, this is Sailer's blog, so it's more like Ben Franklin's Enlightenment. <br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76361938254271833182014-03-16T20:38:00.867-07:002014-03-16T20:38:00.867-07:00Frankfurt School : 2010s Neo-Reactionaries :: Leo ...Frankfurt School : 2010s Neo-Reactionaries :: Leo Strauss : 2000s Liberals <br /><br />Seriously, though, the HBD argument is that we can openly and socially recognize group differences without damaging the commitment to treat people as individuals rather than as representatives of groups. The iSteve comment section, however, is a continuous argument against that proposition.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48733597414917848672014-03-16T20:15:46.758-07:002014-03-16T20:15:46.758-07:00Barbara Bush Middle School was facing NCLB sanctio...Barbara Bush Middle School was facing NCLB sanctions for the low TAKS test scores of African Americans. The school is located in one of the wealthiest areas in the city and without section 8. It brought the thought to mind about affirmative action as the driver for blacks to have the income to live within the school's area or did the parents have the cognitive-income correlation but their children lost it, thus scored poorly? Raises some questions about discrimination. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87642240922899747222014-03-16T19:26:55.723-07:002014-03-16T19:26:55.723-07:00Pretty much all the black kids from families makin...<i>Pretty much all the black kids from families making 200K+ are going to take the SAT. Whereas only a small fraction of white kids from families making <20K--that's basically saying their single mom can't even hold a steady job at Walmart--are taking the SAT, especially boys.</i><br /><br />No, it's not saying anything like that at all. The White parents with incomes below $20,000 might average an income of $150,000 between the ages of 18 and 65, but during those years they may have years in which their earnings are below $20,000. They could be in school. Their formerly or subsequently profitable business could have a bad year. They could be on sabbatical. Etc.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37252599326475917022014-03-16T19:03:09.476-07:002014-03-16T19:03:09.476-07:00AmRen's undeniable hatred for blacks and latin...<br /><i>AmRen's undeniable hatred for blacks and latinos should be an embarrassment to who argue HBD need not be a threat to a broadly liberal society. </i><br /><br />Up yours, you vile concern troll.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43348277443971031712014-03-16T18:46:16.386-07:002014-03-16T18:46:16.386-07:00AmRen's undeniable hatred for blacks and latin...<i>AmRen's undeniable hatred for blacks and latinos should be an embarrassment to who argue HBD need not be a threat to a broadly liberal society.</i> <br /><br />C'mon, dude, this is The Dark Enlightenment.<br /><br />The presence of too many folks - whose IQs necessitate that they be silly putty in the hands of The Frankfurt School - their presence will simply overwhelm and destroy any possible "broadly liberal society".<br /><br />Which is to say - if you look at the historical record, "narrowly liberal societies" are about the only ones which have ever worked - and even they only work every now and again.<br /><br />Most people, at most points in history, have lived in viciously illiberal societies. <br /><br />Which is precisely what The Frankfurt School envisions for the future of the USA and for [what had been] Western Civilization. <br /><br />Viciously illiberal.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6337214236413750982014-03-16T18:07:58.657-07:002014-03-16T18:07:58.657-07:00Ben Tillman said:
"""Right, it'...Ben Tillman said:<br />"""Right, it's possible but extremely rare because affirmative action means that every Black is eligible for positions that pay more than the positions he is actually qualified for."""<br /><br />And that is where you see the mismatched unqualified persons at various positions. <br />Affirmative Action is written into law primarily for blacks. In all economic rungs on the ladder, affirmative action comes into play IF individual blacks decide for themsleves (or others for them) decide that they have been directly discriminated against. It is irrelevant whether the job they are working at is WalMart or Boeing. IF they determine for themselves that they have indeed been discriminated vs they can file a claim with the EEOC and/or other various goverment agencies and they will then determine the legitimacy of the claims.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88100271611507157342014-03-16T17:58:21.856-07:002014-03-16T17:58:21.856-07:00>>Art Deco said:
"""The thing...>>Art Deco said:<br />"""The thing is, there's a definite ceiling to the salaries you find in educational administration and social work and only a rare few are much into the six figures."""<br /><br /><br />Yes, but for the talented tenth, roughly 85% reside within the $50,000-100,000 scale. This is more than enough to put them into the upper middle class level. Another 12-14% of the black talented tenth earn roughly $100,000-199,000 which again, is more than enough to qualify them for the upper middle class level of US taxpayers.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />"""You might bring up Michelle Obama, who had a succession of well-paid sinecures;""""<br /><br />And so did NFLer Vince Young. In fact he outearned in sheer income numbers Michelle Obama's total salaries for her entire professional career up to the time she became first lady.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />"""pace the moderator, there is not much indication she suffers from general intellectual deficits""""<br /><br />Her calculated IQ is around 115. And 115 does not equal Princeton by a long sight. It would equal Stanford (barely). <br /><br />And Steve has remarked before on Michelle Obama's educational difficulties at Princeton and her not so subtle blaming or using the race card to shift responsibility onto the white man power structure at large.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />"""and very few people have the kind of connections she did""""<br /><br />Non-sequitor. So what? We can say the same of Kobe Bryant, Puff Diddy, Kanye, etc. Few people have their connections either but having connections does not automatically mean that one has a high IQ in and of itself.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />""""Stop and think about what this 'data' purport to show: that the children of black doctors, black engineers, and black corporation executives have test scores on a par with the children of whites working in food service.""""<br /><br />You sound surprised, why is that? I'm not and neither should any rational clear thinking individual who uses the common sense and powers of observation a la....lets say Jerry Seinfeld, and it would go something along these lines:<br /><br /><br />Ya ever notice how few blacks are seen at the Ivies or the top academic schools? Ever notice how few blacks actually are in the realm of science or engineering? I mean, you never see their faces in a science lab yet you constantly see them well represented on TV during the evening news.<br />Wonder why that is?<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6655197881696762822014-03-16T17:57:35.658-07:002014-03-16T17:57:35.658-07:00>>Art Deco said...
"""No matt...>>Art Deco said...<br />"""No matter how 'embedded' is 'affirmative action jurisprudence', you are proposing that commercial companies make a habit of promoting black dolts to handsomely paid positions.""""<br /><br /><br />Actually, NO I WAS NOT. Not in the least. I was saying the the chief main reason as to blacks economic success, like Mr Kersey, is mainly due to Affirmative Action policies which are deeply embedded and written into US law.<br /><br />I was not agreeing with the policy but merely observing that it appeared that YOU did not concede or were aware of this actual fact re: black's economic success; namely, that it is mainly (ca. 85% or higher) directly do to the policies of Affirmative Action.<br /><br />If you were to remove these government policies roughly 85% of blacks economic success would disappear overnight, in some cases, quite literally.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />"""I have little doubt there are a mass of credentialed dolts (of all colors) in employments with weak operational measures of competence."""<br /><br />Yes, but AGAIN....due to the fact of governmental policies surrounding affirmative action, IF a inc has few visible minorites (read: blacks) at their inc. in various levels of the inc, those particular incs could face legal action by the government.<br /><br />Facts are facts are facts.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com