tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post4662150020037895955..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Daily Kos: "Racism Has a New Name: HBD"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger124125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90578901903174331412016-07-07T18:12:22.011-07:002016-07-07T18:12:22.011-07:00The problem with HBDers is that when asked to prod...The problem with HBDers is that when asked to produce scientific evidence to support their claims, they start reciting pseudoscitific creeds. Apparently, they don't understand the concept of science or the scientific method. <br /><br />Or they'll start talking about IQ, which is malleable and, certainly, has not received consensus as proof of group differences in innate intelligence. <br /><br />Then the HBDers will start spouting nonsense about the state of nations or regions and they'll mention the old standby, Detroit. I once replied to an HBDer that the Detroit reference was deeply flawed for a host of reasons. I also told him that Detroit was not the only black majority municipality. There are actually affluent, clean and orderly majority black areas throughout the United States. Which brings up another problem with HBD -- that is, they will ignore any piece of evidence that doesn't comport with their racist ideology while regurgitating the same ignorant junk over and over. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14079676258032391752013-01-29T22:23:53.055-08:002013-01-29T22:23:53.055-08:00And I definitely have seen big differences in pers...<i>And I definitely have seen big differences in personality and different talents between my own kids, despite shared environment and 50% shared genes.</i><br /><br />Your children share 60% of their genes with mice. I think that what you mean is that the genetic difference between any two of them is about 50% as great as the difference between you and their father.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8683612180106981122013-01-15T12:21:29.036-08:002013-01-15T12:21:29.036-08:00LBD: liberal bio-denial. LBD: liberal bio-denial. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29027520024322514262013-01-15T05:25:04.775-08:002013-01-15T05:25:04.775-08:00@anonymous - "The D stands for differences......@anonymous - <i>"The D stands for differences...."</i><br /><br />no. the "D" stands for "diversity."<br /><br />hbd=human biodiversity.hbd chickhttp://hbdchick.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65422135658358144182013-01-15T03:32:55.096-08:002013-01-15T03:32:55.096-08:00Steve Sailor? Isn't he that guy who hangs out ...Steve Sailor? Isn't he that guy who hangs out with Pat Buchannon?Londonernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26410574284153758032013-01-14T20:31:42.011-08:002013-01-14T20:31:42.011-08:00For the first one, the best answer I can think of ...<i> For the first one, the best answer I can think of is "okay, but is what I'm saying true?"</i><br /><br />That only works with people motivated by a desire to uncover truth and who at the present moment incorrectly believe "anti-racists" are in possession of it. There are a relatively few such people out there. The vast majority of people are variously playing politics or engaging in ego-defense; both prefer happy (or at least manageable) lies to discomfiting truths.Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86256331122420341002013-01-14T19:14:53.035-08:002013-01-14T19:14:53.035-08:00"Caustic dismissiveness and radical indiffere..."Caustic dismissiveness and radical indifference is the kind of attitude you want to project"<br /><br />Hey, it's worked pretty well for me!Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73792402057461783282013-01-14T14:43:41.638-08:002013-01-14T14:43:41.638-08:00"Whatever helps you sleep at night."
Th...<i>"Whatever helps you sleep at night."</i><br /><br />That sounds dangerously libertarian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6006923424604058592013-01-14T14:37:27.736-08:002013-01-14T14:37:27.736-08:00There's a difference between the label "r...There's a difference between the label "racist" as a word that means something, and one that is used as a magic word argument to stop the discussion. <br /><br />For the first one, the best answer I can think of is "okay, but is what I'm saying true?" That is, this may be a set of ideas commonly called racist, but the only real test of a set of ideas about the world is whether or not they're true, whether or not they tell you anything useful about the world. <br /><br />For the second, the whole point of the label is so they can stop thinking. It's like someone calling you a communiist or a socialist (often for such far-left ideas as supporting a minimum wage or an inheritance tax)--they're not using the word to *mean* anything. They could as easily and usefully accuse you of witchcraft, devil worship, or being a space alien intent on enslaving mankind. <br /><br />I think much of the time, if you're arguing in good faith and in a calm, fact-based way, this magic word stuff comes up because the person is finding themselves challenged uncomfortably by your arguments. They're looking for a reason they can give *themselves* to stop listening. <br /><br />In other contexts, it's used as a magic word to shut you up by someone who simply wants to shut you up. In that case, they have no interest in whether you are a racist by any definition at all, anymore than AIPAC cares whether someone hostile to Israel's interests is really an anti-Semite or not. That's entirely beside the point.NOTAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32620358207858668512013-01-14T14:25:51.023-08:002013-01-14T14:25:51.023-08:00Whiskey said: "For example, the bonds of say,...Whiskey said: "For example, the bonds of say, Portland OR, or Seattle WA, or BOISE ID, are likely pretty secure, while those of Detroit, or Baltimore, or Chicago are likely worthless...If you're smart, knowing Black run cities can't scrape up two cents"<br />I’m curious what Boise did to earn ALL CAPS. Knowing that black-run cities are poorly managed and making money from it are two different things. There have been numerous municipal bankruptcies (e.g. Alameda, CA) however I'd be surprised if a city like Detroit or Baltimore would be allowed to go bankrupt. That would be racist after all. The state would step in or if the city was connected enough (i.e. Chicago) possibly the Federal Gubbamint. Even in an instance like Alameda it’s not at all clear who will take the haircut (or wasn’t the last time I checked). Public sector unions certainly, but if the city has any hope of borrowing from the bond markets again, those haircuts will be small or non-existent. There may be some restructuring (fancy word by which your maturity gets pushed out or you get PIK interest for a bit).<br />Some states require debt service to come before ANY other spending. California's constitution requires this - making CA much less of a credit risk than you might think. Buying California general obligation munis is not particularly risky. CA has about 35mm people and a fairly large economy, something like the 6th or 7th largest in the world were it a stand-alone nation. If that economy was pointed entirely at debt service, they could handle it easily. Again, this isn’t to say that California isn’t governed almost entirely by lunatics (I lived there for 12 years, I can assure you that it is), just that betting on a CA default would most likely be a loser. <br />As is usually the case Whiskey, you've taken a common sense observation and extrapolated all sorts of nonsense from it.<br />Otis McWrongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2968352187100543392013-01-14T12:44:37.496-08:002013-01-14T12:44:37.496-08:00The dude at Frost's blog said his 'friend&...The dude at Frost's blog said his 'friend' looked into HBD, and she told him about it..."Erasmussimo" may be a dude's lesbian alter ego.robnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79153834607249945382013-01-14T11:48:14.359-08:002013-01-14T11:48:14.359-08:00I think the "embrace the racism label" a...I think the "embrace the racism label" and "dodge the racism label" crowds are both wrong. When someone calls you a racist, you don't answer the charge, you return the favor: "that's racist!"; "you're a racist."<br /><br />Trust me, if you've got your shit together, you can make it stick. If you can't, do your homework until you can.<br /><br /><i>You</i> are the Inquisitor.Svigornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69578936214789329832013-01-14T08:49:20.908-08:002013-01-14T08:49:20.908-08:00The best reply to a supplicating, hypocritical SWP...The best reply to a supplicating, hypocritical SWPL or an enraged half-white pundit calling you racist, is "Whatever helps you sleep at night." Caustic dismissiveness and radical indifference is the kind of attitude you want to project. It's utterly demoralizing and discombobulating to your self-righteous enemies when you don't play into their frame, and instead force them into your own frame.heartistehttp://heartiste.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59827136659176474522013-01-14T03:45:45.749-08:002013-01-14T03:45:45.749-08:00I think erasmos has a point. A lot of hbd believer...I think erasmos has a point. A lot of hbd believers are racist. While hbd is not racist of itself, it strongly justifies racsist/chauvinist sentiment and there are credible reasons for this associations. We should be honest enough to note that neither the readers nor yourself Mr Sailer are dispassionate or severely scientific in your appreciation of this field. The D stands for differences, and a wholly subjective and nonscientific quantity as value cannot and should not be attached to the hbd field if it is to remain a cold rational observation and not the screen of rascists. Unfortunately we are all too human and cant hide our nature behind a scientific veneer such that sometimes our masks slip to reveal terrible malice. Such was the fate of Dr Lynn, who I name here as a racist. But who am I kidding, we know exactly what we are!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77674289238082505652013-01-13T22:29:24.370-08:002013-01-13T22:29:24.370-08:00If the guy is 62 years old, he clearly is too old ...If the guy is 62 years old, he clearly is too old to want to accept the reality of the situation. That's a long haul to believe that way for decades and then to suddenly turn and join the other side. If the guy is 62 yrs old, then I presume he was born around 1950, since few people born in 1951 have yet had their birthdays in the first two weeks of 2013. Smart people as they get older become more comfortable with their social circle, and this group will enforce believing the current dogma or else the apostate will risk ostracism from it. I remember hearing that the Thernstroms at Harvard were pretty much socially exiled by what they thought were their friends, because they dared to even venture into the center-right of this issue. Remember the Thernstroms are still adamantly anti human biodiversity, and yet that was still too much for a lot of their Boston area academic circle of friends.<br /><br />The same pressures apply to Pinker, I think he is just afraid of becoming Richard Herrnstein 2.0, so he just steers clear of discussing race whenever he can. Edward Wilson seems to have lost his will to fight as he has aged, he just avoids discussing the matter as well. The 60's generation has so stigmatized the study of this that most of the people who study this in academia are now pretty old, there are a lot less of them in the ensuing generations. This is why the people discussing it have moved onto the Web, that area is far less constricted by Political Correctness. The ideas of sociobiology have taken over zoology, but have been firewalled almost completely out of the social sciences, the tradition begun by Darwin and Galton may be dying out unfortunately at least as it applies to Homo sapiens.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86645322395466624342013-01-13T20:25:12.507-08:002013-01-13T20:25:12.507-08:00Look, you're going to be called racist anyway-...<i>Look, you're going to be called racist anyway--you'd be called racist merely for being a Republican who lives in the suburbs, so it's pointless to contest the label. Just own it. Allow "racist" to include a broad swath of educated white professionals who believe there are racial (i.e. group) differences. What is the harm in that?</i><br /><br />It's not a bad point and I wish I could agree. I can't see it working though. "Racist" is just too useful as a term of opprobrium even to people are themselves (as per your definition) "racists." Racial facts are one thing and racial feelings another. We have all come across (I'm sure) people whose racial feelings run much stronger than our own. What more simple way to discredit or shut up such people than to call them racists? For example, I would say I'm one of the more racially intense commenters here but I too will use "racist" as a cheap way to discredit others further to the far white right than me. (I don't do it on the net cos it makes me sound hypocritical, but I definitely do it in real life.) <br /><br />It's also a very handy term to attack white-hating blacks with -- so many people have had hairy experiences with wild, angry blacks that they can easily see your point.<br /><br />Lastly, I have even found it useful in turning leftards "reasoning" back on them. You just find some area in which they are "intolerant" and call them "intolerant, judgmental, and racist." (Don't just say "racist" by itself, it won't work as well.) I said this to an annoying leftard but good-looking girl a couple weeks back when I caught her rejecting some guy trying to pick her up. She loves to criticize me for being disgusted by gay sex and she had flipped out at me recently because I cut off communication with a guy friend/acquaintance because I found out he was gay and hiding it from me. I said to her in mock criticism (but I made it sound serious) "Well, well, Claire, I cannot believe what I just saw. I can't believe how judgmental, intolerant, mean-spirited and racist you are. That guy just wanted to spread some love. So what if he creeped you out. We all know that's no excuse." She tried to dismiss it with a joke and started to say something else but I cut her off with "I don't think I can be friends with someone so intolerant, judgmental and racist. I really expected better from you" and walked off on her. A couple of hours later she tried talking to me again and I cut her off with "Have you stopped being intolerant, judgmental and racist yet? Then don't talk to me." I'm not claiming this converted her, but she certainly hasn't pestered me about gays since then. Sometimes, not being pestered by these morons is all that can be hoped for.<br /><br />You might complain that what if they say "it's got nothing to do with race so how is it racist." That's why you include intolerant and judgmental too. If you do that in my experience they won't react to the fact that race has nothing to do with it. It's just how the mind makes associations and assigns hierarchies of importance in what to respond to. It's like when leftards try to scare you with "what about The Holocaust!" it's quite enough for them to just include the words "gas" and "ovens," regardless of whether they have anything to do with how gas or ovens were actually used. People hear "gas" or "oven" and their brains seize up. One could even say the Nazis herded Jews into "gas camps" and burned them in "concentration ovens" and not one in twenty people would attempt a correction because they were already quivering at the mere mention of "gas" and "oven."Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41493446396304023302013-01-13T20:05:55.567-08:002013-01-13T20:05:55.567-08:00Erasmussimo makes much of the fact that there woul...Erasmussimo makes much of the fact that there wouldn't be any evolutionary pressure for the development of "general mental ability". He should read David Geary's "The Origin of Mind":<br /><br />"The evolutionary function of fluid abilities is to support control-related problem solving. These mechanisms are designed to cope with the varied and often unpredictable nature of human social dynamics, specifically to simulate variation in these dynamics and to generate social and behavioral strategies that enable, if effective, better control of relationships and other resources. Crystallized intelligence results from the operation of gF as this facilitates the acquisition of biologically secondary competencies, such as reading, and from inherent individual differences in the modular systems."<br /><br />Geoffrey Miller makes a similar argument in "The Mating Mind".FredRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69185286431764306232013-01-13T19:38:05.417-08:002013-01-13T19:38:05.417-08:00The stereotype "Take me to your chief!" ...<i>The stereotype "Take me to your chief!" is based on experience.</i><br /><br /><br />Arggh, J, when you're not flat out lying, you're uttering complete inanities. "Take me to your chief" is based on getting access to decision-makers, people with power, not because "experience" led anyone to believe chieftains were invariably the smartest guys in the room.Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46237884877108888222013-01-13T18:49:25.981-08:002013-01-13T18:49:25.981-08:00I don't like to out anybody .... I try not to ...<i>I don't like to out anybody .... I try not to pass it on.</i><br /><br />You sound like the Godfather here, Steve. "I know who you are, buddy. But don't worry, I'm your friend."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48723394076138544922013-01-13T17:45:35.234-08:002013-01-13T17:45:35.234-08:00Everyone knows this blog just seethes with hate. L...Everyone knows this blog just seethes with hate. Look at all the wrinkles on Steve 'I hate Sailors. And gays' face, each one bred out hours of grimacing about the fact the Swedes are somewhat different then Nigerians. Kfoynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7399651259102229722013-01-13T16:05:16.147-08:002013-01-13T16:05:16.147-08:00It would be really cool if you were able to conver...It would be really cool if you were able to convert some Kossacks, but I think you've got your work cut out for you.<br /><br />Part of the problem is that most people really just don't make connections the way we do. Look at this line:<br /><br />"I fervently believe that 'All men are created equal', but I am willing to entertain the hypothesis that some men are born with lesser cognitive talents than others."<br /><br />What the hell does he mean, he's "willing to entertain the hypothesis"? Hasn't he ever met someone with Down's syndrome? For all his yammering about "multiple intelligences", does he really think that someone born with microcephaly is as intelligent as a mathematician?<br /><br />Well, no, of course not. He, like everyone else, knows perfectly well that cognitive differences aren't just a hypothesis. But you'd have to actually point that out to him, point-blank, to get him to actually think about it.<br /><br />Take another example that I'm sure people around here have experienced. Several times, I have gotten into discussions with otherwise intelligent people who simply deny that blacks are more likely to commit crimes than whites. They'll blame the media or racism for making it SEEM that way, but they'll deny that it's actually true. The discussion usually goes like this:<br /><br />"Well, you know that blacks are several times more likely to be VICTIMS of homicide than whites, right?"<br /><br />Right. Of course. <br /><br />"And you know that something like 90% of all homicides are intraracial, right?"<br /><br />Yes, of course. Everyone knows that.<br /><br />"So then, doesn't that HAVE to mean that black people are more likely to COMMIT homicide as well?"<br /><br />Then they get it. That's all there is to it. Now, to you and me, this is an incredibly easy connection to make, but if I hadn't sat there and walked them through it, they would never have thought of it.<br /><br />The problem is, nobody is going to make them sit there while we go through all the facts. Yet they've spent a lifetime sitting in classrooms being told about the connection between poverty and school performance, or the history of slavery and crime, but no one has ever actually sat there and spelled the IQ connection out to them. I think that for a lot of them, that's all it would really take, but it's just not very likely to ever happen.<br /><br />I realize that this isn't exactly a groundbreaking insight, but it's just interesting to see in someone like Erasmussimo, who is apparently a reasonably intelligent guy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77020323500819569772013-01-13T16:05:01.234-08:002013-01-13T16:05:01.234-08:00The term racist (in current usage) implies that yo...<i>The term racist (in current usage) implies that you actively hate other races. A lot of us don't actively hate other races. HBD doesn't need to lead to hatred of other races.</i> <br /><br />At any particular time, the word "racist" means precisely what we need it to mean, and it can previously have meant, or can subsequently come to mean, whatever else we might need it to mean, at that particular time, in the past, or in the future.<br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us" rel="nofollow"><b>All your word are belong to us.</b></a><br /><br />MOO HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!The MacFrankfurt Schoolnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32863240655597217382013-01-13T15:19:50.430-08:002013-01-13T15:19:50.430-08:00You guys aren't getting it re: "racist&qu...You guys aren't getting it re: "racist". You can babble about your intentions and the nuances of your beliefs about race all you want. It doesn't matter. It will never matter. The instant you say that whites have higher average intelligence you will be considered racist by most people. You don't realize this because you make a point of not ever saying it to anyone but trustworthy HBD acquaintances. But you'd never blurt it out at a work-related happy hour, obviously.<br /><br />And that's my point. Fear of being called racist has been more damaging than actually being called racist. Of course a lot of you are young and still living out your second childhood in academia, where people are hauled before inquisitions for crimethink. But it'a a big world outside the permastudent cocoon.<br /><br />You are cooperating with leftists in building up "racist" to be the ultimate accusation by drawing distinctions that no leftist will ever acknowledge. The accusation only means something because everyone "knows" that racists are moronic, illiterate, cousin-fucking Southerners filled with irrational hatred. It's the main, perhaps only arrow in the leftist quiver, and by shrinking from the word you're helping it remain potent and effective.Udolpho.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12976984423336975944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66347344770146452392013-01-13T15:17:33.040-08:002013-01-13T15:17:33.040-08:00you're going to be called racist anyway
Of co...<i>you're going to be called racist anyway</i><br /><br />Of course whether you agree with the term depends on its definition. <br /><br />In modern academia "racist" would probably denote anyone who believes that race is not merely a social construct but also has an underlying biological basis. The problem is that once the term is attached to you they'll also drag in cross-burning and Hitler.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12049215326424227942013-01-13T15:12:39.861-08:002013-01-13T15:12:39.861-08:00I don't get the posts that are impressed with ...I don't get the posts that are impressed with Erasmussimo's PC ranting just because he conceded (inconsistently) that genes have some influence on human traits. He's no better than the average Slate writer, who surely believes that there's something genetically special about his tribe/class/fellow travelers but will tar and blacklist anyone guilty of crimethink on race.<br /><br />I dissected his comments at Frost(link at my blog), and they're all dreary 70s-era arguments. He spent an entire 20 minutes (documented) reading Sailer before deciding he was a criminal racist. Expecting that this 62 year old game designer with strident anti-racist views is going to evolve his thinking into HBD crimethought is extremely naive.Udolpho.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12976984423336975944noreply@blogger.com