tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post4662528349162605525..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: David Brooks' Self-Parody: "Flood the Zone" (A.K.A., Drain the Treasury)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger132125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63501568890780792292012-02-13T14:09:21.493-08:002012-02-13T14:09:21.493-08:00The real beauties didn't get pregnant in my Hi...The real beauties didn't get pregnant in my High Screwl. The better-looking the girl, the harder she was to get. One or two lookers managed to acquire very Alpha boyfriends (one per girl I mean) who beat them up now and then, but no pregnancies that we heard of. In fact, despite a certain percentage of dogs who put out, nobody was impregnated that we heard of; a pregnancy in that screwl (1980s, preppy, the south) would have been a scandal beyond the ken of reason. Sigh. File this in the yellowing pages of history, I guess.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91326008577077308412012-02-10T20:45:05.431-08:002012-02-10T20:45:05.431-08:00Have you considered, Sailer, that Brooks is addres...Have you considered, Sailer, that Brooks is addressing you directly?<br /><br />Maybe it's subconscious <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anxiety_of_influence" rel="nofollow">anxiety of influence</a> at work.<br />Maybe he thinks something will stick. You should throw him a bone. Imagine how good it would make him feel if he thought he influenced something here--like he was twenty-one again, before he sold out!Dennis Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03233729780363740881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64160595039582088172012-02-10T10:25:35.251-08:002012-02-10T10:25:35.251-08:00"Not every girl who develops early get knocke..."Not every girl who develops early get knocked up. Those who do are, by definition, unintelligent and psychologically immature."<br /><br />Closer to the truth to say they are, by definition, victims of statutory rape.beowulfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14987548132065830204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89785288927919479842012-02-10T07:58:41.321-08:002012-02-10T07:58:41.321-08:00voodoo medicine
What do you mean by that?
Perhap...<i>voodoo medicine</i><br /><br />What do you mean by that?<br /><br />Perhaps chastity belts, circumcision, radium inhalers, mechanical bottle feeding, prison-like mental institutions, judicial hysterectomies and lobotomies?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21589351339070491552012-02-09T23:31:45.276-08:002012-02-09T23:31:45.276-08:00I went to an all male high school and I think it h...<i>I went to an all male high school and I think it hurt me in interacting with women. It won't hurt everyone, but the ones who are already pathologically shy and have few social skills, could be damaged severely. Throw in religious repression and you have a severely neurotic adult.</i><br /><br />By any chance is your name James Joyce?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8187537186496230752012-02-09T23:07:48.071-08:002012-02-09T23:07:48.071-08:00I'm not even bothering to read you nags. The ...I'm not even bothering to read you nags. The expression "beating a dead horse" comes to mind. I'm not even advocating teen sex for that matter but since we're focusing on anecdotal evidence gleaned from Maya's not very typical life I'd like to remind you that the working class and middle class populations in the US often had their daughters officially married off by age 16. Save your moralizing for the at risk population. I assure you they don't read iSteve. <br /><br />You're so silly. Give it a rest.yawning swannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77445355847704315932012-02-09T22:42:02.331-08:002012-02-09T22:42:02.331-08:00Swimming/Bored Swan,
I never said you advocate te...Swimming/Bored Swan,<br /><br />I never said you advocate teen pregnancy. You are, however, trying to argue that an extraodinarily improbable situation is, in fact, almost common place. Yes, since it's not against the laws of physics, it's theoretically possible that a smart girl would allow herself to get pregnant in her early teens or that she would or that she would kill an elderly gentleman for a pack of cigarettes, but it's highly, highly unlikely. Twelve year olds are not toddlers. In my country of origin, kids that age are expected to pass algebra. In my American school, the top 20% were in Algebra I. The law, also, allowed us to watch out baby brothers and sisters for extended length of time, at that age. I'm saying all this to make a point that 12 year olds should have the ability to think logically, solve problems, plan for the future and anticipate consequences. In my experience, most do. <br /><br />Did you really just say that it would take an unfeeling robot to not get pregnant at 12, given enough time alone with a boyfriend one cares for? How about at 18? At 22? If your friend was so overwhelmed by love, she couldn't help expressing it physically, is there a reason why, being such a smart girl, she didn't resort to condoms, birth control pills (she could've pulled the common trick of complaining about an uncomfortable period to get the pills) or even oral sex? The fact is that at the age when she was old enough to employ logic and plan for the future effectively, your friend decided to have unprotected intercourse, even though it's common knowledge that intercourse causes pregnancies and teen pregnancies make life difficult. DUMB. <br />A lot of college bound, suburban kids have sex in high school. Yet teen pregnancies are extremely rare in that demographic. Why? Because preventing pregnancies is simple for those who are capable of holding a thought. That one girl who got pregnant in my graduating class spent 7 years in ESL and never moved beyond basic math. She wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed. <br /><br />Lastly, I'm baffled by your emphasis on the young girls' looks when it comes to early sexual activity. As far as i can remember, it was the dimmer and uglier girls who started having sex first. The pretty ones could get enough attention without giving up too much. Even older boys were overjoyed to get a mere kiss from a really beautiful middle school girl whereas a less attractive girl had to do a lot of extra to buy herself male attention. Of course the smarter less attractive girls tended to retreat into their books and hope for something to change in the future. The ones who got "seduced" early tended to be both plain and dim. But even the plain and dim slutty girls managed to not get pregnant in my lower middle class suburb because avoiding pregnancy is just that easy.Mayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-744117048683507932012-02-09T19:31:01.722-08:002012-02-09T19:31:01.722-08:00girls who get pregnant may well be good, smart kid...<i>girls who get pregnant may well be good, smart kids otherwise.</i><br /><br />There are always exceptions and anecdotes. Statistically, lower IQ correlates with a host of bad life outcomes like teenage preganancy and single motherhood.<br /><br /><i>A girl who's extremely pretty and or well-developed at a young age isn't immature compared to her peers because she can't distinguish love from infatuation or lust.</i><br /><br />"Prettiness" does not give a woman any moral indugence for acting like a skank. Besides, from what I see around me, most teen mothers and single moms tend to be "unpretty", so this is not a epidemic disproportionately affecting the "pretty". <br /><br />Horney guys will hit anything they can get - looks are not a huge factor. Looks are a 5th order effect compared to the first order effect of a woman being easy, loose, or whatever they call it these days.<br /><br />Women are evolved to be more social animals and are more subject to shame. Given the social chaos women can cause as teen and/or single mothers of often messed up kids, the last thing we should do is be celebrating them as brave heroines (or victims of their beauty as you attempt to do).<br /><br />A major pathology of our society is celebrating moral failings, eliminating reponsibily for irresponsible behaviors and forcing the the constructive normal to financial subsidize the destructive abnormal. <br /><br />Your defense of your "pretty" friends is a perfect example of hallow excuse making in an attempt to avoid well-deserved social shaming.Scarlet Hosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23295162699068296272012-02-09T19:24:30.167-08:002012-02-09T19:24:30.167-08:00"rules for gummis said...
Alinsky told his f..."rules for gummis said...<br /><br />Alinsky told his followers to act mainstream, patriotic, apple pie; to adopt the symbolism of mainstream America while subverting it with leftist/'progressive' ideas. That way, radicalism will take root in America not as anti-Americanism but part-and-parcel-of-Americanism.<br /><br />Maybe Brooks feels that since America has become so 'progressive', trads need to use the symbolism of 'progressivism' and 'diversity' to slip in elements of traditionalism..."<br /><br />Or maybe Brooks is just one of those Alinskyite radicals, disguising himself as a mainstream, patriotic, all-american American.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82148444633565135382012-02-09T17:12:47.358-08:002012-02-09T17:12:47.358-08:00Maybe Obama 'likes' Brooks cuz when read b...Maybe Obama 'likes' Brooks cuz when read between the lines, Brooks' columns reminds Obie of good ole Saul.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9694936834549234462012-02-09T17:11:13.371-08:002012-02-09T17:11:13.371-08:00You know who Brooks kinda looks like? Saul Alinsky...You know who Brooks kinda looks like? Saul Alinsky, the author of RULES FOR RADS. Maybe Brooks is working on something like RULES FOR TRADS(traditionals--or tradicals?). <br /><br />Alinsky told his followers to act mainstream, patriotic, apple pie; to adopt the symbolism of mainstream America while subverting it with leftist/'progressive' ideas. That way, radicalism will take root in America not as anti-Americanism but part-and-parcel-of-Americanism. <br /><br />Maybe Brooks feels that since America has become so 'progressive', trads need to use the symbolism of 'progressivism' and 'diversity' to slip in elements of traditionalism. If we 'flood' poor communities with 'everything' in the name of diversity, certain ideas/values are likely to work more than others and take deeper root in the long run, thereby winning the argument. Family values are gonna make more of a positive difference of poor folks than gay tattoos or voodoo medicine. <br /><br />Brooks may be more of a slippery character because he grew up liberal but moved conservative. <br />There are some people who are born conservative and remain that way all their lives, and there are those who are born liberal and remain liberal all their lives. But some go from left to right or right to left. Like people who know more than one language, they have more than one way to look at and feel around reality.rules for gummisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85055447707107856372012-02-09T15:08:55.875-08:002012-02-09T15:08:55.875-08:00David Brooks doesn't know the meaning of eithe...David Brooks doesn't know the meaning of either "positive feedback" or "negative feedback". The American way seems to be about sounding clever (if that's your thing) and everyone else just nods wisely.Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86947211896682672422012-02-09T08:53:52.755-08:002012-02-09T08:53:52.755-08:00"White's would fall back on thier familie..."White's would fall back on thier families. Some would help. Some wouldn't."<br /><br />LOL, this is just wrong on so many levels; Kylie is a white social worker who worked mostly with the type of whites you want to pull the rug out on, I'm sure she'd be happy to elucidate.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30689678742064992082012-02-09T01:15:33.110-08:002012-02-09T01:15:33.110-08:00"I was biologically able to have children by ..."I was biologically able to have children by the time I started middle school, had a fast food job since I was 14 ( yes, it was allowed with a work permit) and plenty of responsibilities at home. My parents didn't make it home until after dinner on most days. Oh, and I liked boys a lot, and while I wouldn't call myself a bombshell, some boys I liked were willing to date me."<br /><br />I don't see how you can really be convinced that given enough time alone two teenagers of any IQ won't let nature take its course. I wasn't advocating teen pregnancy. What I was saying, as real Steve would agree, was that an unwanted pregnancy is always a possibility when two teenagers are allowed to be alone together. When you stack up the odds by that girl being off-the-charts attractive (not like you or me), she's going to be pursued by many clever enough persistent guys. It's also more than likely such a girl will be attracting older males who are too sophisticated for the teen to handle easily. Smart parents will watch these girls like hawks because of the older guys who would love to exploit their naivete. The unwary often haven't figured out their little girl has grown up perhaps more because they can't think of her in a sexual way than any lapse in judgment. <br /><br />Mostly I think you're being a contrarian. Smart kids get into all the difficulties dumb kids do with the resulting opportunities lost to them being much greater. To me it's a phase of vulnerability that affects some kids more than others. A girl or boy who looks older than they are can easily get in over their heads. It's not controversial. A less sexy girl may well date a lot but she's attracting guys who are friends first, closer to her age and anything but smooth operators. Your having dated tame boys proves nothing. <br /><br />Let me repeat: Though teen pregnancy isn't advisable, girls who get pregnant may well be good, smart kids otherwise. A girl who's extremely pretty and or well-developed at a young age isn't immature compared to her peers because she can't distinguish love from infatuation or lust. Anyone less than robotic emotionally can become impulsive when they're in love. It doesn't make them stupid or demonstrate they have poor impulse control.bored swannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41262050208998730262012-02-09T01:07:27.947-08:002012-02-09T01:07:27.947-08:00"You must be an envious chick to be choking o..."You must be an envious chick to be choking on my comment the focus of which was sidetracked, diverted, seduced & knocked up attractive yet smart teen girls going to waste."<br /><br />Again, no. A spade is a spade, and a girl who would let herself get pregnant in middle school is a dumbass. A girl so young lacks in experience and, probably, wouldn't know how to manipulate and seduce men or how to get the best deal for a used car. However, not getting pregnant in one's early teens in order to have a better life is just too simple of a concept. Most of us (who are very far from being of superior intelligence, just not retarded) found it rather easy to not get expelled, not get arrested, not get pregnant in our teens and not pass out drunk on the railroad tracks with minimal to no guidance.Mayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29758861678188086332012-02-08T23:35:03.790-08:002012-02-08T23:35:03.790-08:00"Once in a great while nature makes a Dolly P..."Once in a great while nature makes a Dolly Parton small waist, top-heavy double D; usually, it's a plastic surgeon's handiwork.<br /><br />Teen girls with double D's are fat, very, very fat"<br /><br />You must be an envious chick to be choking on my comment the focus of which was sidetracked, diverted, seduced & knocked up attractive yet smart teen girls going to waste. This girl, who couldn't have been older than 12 at the time, was a Dolly Parton physical type. I could be a little wrong about her bra size though. It was 5th grade so relatively speaking...<br /><br />I unintentionally tested the genuineness of this "Sailer", btw. The old Sailer would be happy enough with early and often breeding among females who score well on the SAT and/or are good at math and surprisingly high in conscientiousness. I can't vouch for the baby daddies however. There could be some reversion negating any advantage to procreating in the face of a baby bust (that means lack of babies not lactating babies, Kylie.)swimming swannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68016524282237280222012-02-08T22:13:48.072-08:002012-02-08T22:13:48.072-08:00Swimming Swan,
I'd debating whether you are t...Swimming Swan,<br /><br />I'd debating whether you are trolling or not. You can't possibly be serious! <br /><br />Not every girl who develops early get knocked up. Those who do are, by definition, unintelligent and psychologically immature. You act as if pregnancy is just something that happens when a girl's ripe enough without any active role in the matter on the part of the girl in question. Meanwhile, even 8 year olds understand that there are consequences for their actions, can plan for the near future and delay gratification, if they are developmentally normal. I was biologically able to have children by the time I started middle school, had a fast food job since I was 14 ( yes, it was allowed with a work permit) and plenty of responsibilities at home. My parents didn't make it home until after dinner on most days. Oh, and I liked boys a lot, and while I wouldn't call myself a bombshell, some boys I liked were willing to date me. This wasn't unique where I grew up. There were plenty of us with part time jobs, working parents and visible breasts. The vast majority of us (save one in my graduating class of 650) managed to not get pregnant in our teens. Why? Well, personally, I wanted to have a pleasant life and nice things, and I was willing to do the obvious minimum to get there. It's not rocket science. Anyone who can figure out that you flush the toilet after you go and not before or that you should put dirty laundry in the washer before you put it in the dryer can figure out that getting pregnant as a teenager is a bad idea and can find a way to not get pregnant. It doesn't take monumental wisdom or superior intelligence. These girls you were telling us about lacked the most basic ability to plan for the future. That's the opposite of intelligence and maturity. The only other possibility is that they were smart and psychologically balanced enough to know what they were doing, but they completely lacked in dignity, self-respect, ambition and love for their future children.Mayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25539588394737326362012-02-08T21:17:23.277-08:002012-02-08T21:17:23.277-08:00"dogzma said...
Well then. Don't hold ba..."dogzma said...<br /><br />Well then. Don't hold back. Let it all out now, it might make you feel better."<br /><br />You pay to support people who hate you and hold you in contempt, if you like. Count me out. We have lived with this system for fifty years now, and a lot of us are just not buying it anymore.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49221554252249178642012-02-08T21:15:07.281-08:002012-02-08T21:15:07.281-08:00"Truth said...
""The solution afte..."Truth said...<br /><br />""The solution after all to Black poverty is simple and straightforward, but difficult. It requires cutting off resources, leaving Black people to sort things out themselves, to prosper or starve, without any action at all by Whites. One way or another.""<br /><br />The problem with that is that then you'd have to cut off the other 50% of the people sucking off the government teat, whom are, your white relatives; distant and close."<br /><br />I'm white and I have no problem with that. I don't see why "Truth" would. Unless it's because of this: White's would fall back on thier families. Some would help. Some wouldn't. But upon whom would blacks rely? Thier families? The families of black welfare users are quite liable to be welfare users themselves. Even the notion of "black family" is becoming kind of iffy. Is it just this fact - that it would make blacks look comparitively bad, that makes "Truth" raise this objection?Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90711623443504644532012-02-08T21:04:53.938-08:002012-02-08T21:04:53.938-08:00"" went to a small all-male private day ..."" went to a small all-male private day school in grades 7-8, after which the school was merged with the girls' school up the street. This was in the early 70's in what's now a quintessential SWPL town. I hated it and it was not conducive to my personal development. Totally the wrong place for a small, brainy, unathletic kid."<br /><br />I went to an all male high school and I think it hurt me in interacting with women. It won't hurt everyone, but the ones who are already pathologically shy and have few social skills, could be damaged severely. Throw in religious repression and you have a severely neurotic adult.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14742640549132252242012-02-08T20:55:15.167-08:002012-02-08T20:55:15.167-08:00"You're being unpleasant again, Steve. Br..."You're being unpleasant again, Steve. Brooks will drop you in a fit of pique after this."<br /><br />This may be true, but Sailer doesn't play 'social animal' politics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9283246928197723342012-02-08T20:52:10.328-08:002012-02-08T20:52:10.328-08:00"And frankly, I think your fulsome descriptio..."And frankly, I think your fulsome description of your "bombshell" black friends' physical charms is kind of creepy. The topic being discussed is teen pregnancy, not how hot junior high black girls are in their double-D bras."<br /><br />Minor point, but the vast majority of females with double-D cups are double-D because they are obese.<br /><br />Once in a great while nature makes a Dolly Parton small waist, top-heavy double D; usually, it's a plastic surgeon's handiwork.<br /><br />Teen girls with double D's are fat, very, very fat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79037548519296172772012-02-08T20:38:01.610-08:002012-02-08T20:38:01.610-08:00"But the tax burden on such people isn't ..."But the tax burden on such people isn't the worst of it. It's the depressing reality that their immense effort gets them just barely a little bit more than those who do no labor at all; and the fact that they often have to live among such layabouts, or very near them."<br /><br />This why so many are liberal in youth and so conservative as they age: they realize that the help they've given to others has allowed the others to have as much as they, without working or sacrificing. The guy in the section 8 house next to you often has more in the way of material possessions than you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40977095843556213792012-02-08T20:37:58.572-08:002012-02-08T20:37:58.572-08:00>Modern society wants high cognitive ability la...>Modern society wants high cognitive ability late bloomers.<<br /><br />Not in my experience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82844383719875865742012-02-08T20:35:18.032-08:002012-02-08T20:35:18.032-08:00You're being unpleasant again, Steve. Brooks w...You're being unpleasant again, Steve. Brooks will drop you in a fit of pique after this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com