tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post468612667955181501..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: The Second Whitest City in AmericaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45730820895213854382009-04-29T14:37:00.000-07:002009-04-29T14:37:00.000-07:00The "soccer is a prole sport" idea was only true i...The "soccer is a prole sport" idea was only true in Britain about twenty years ago, and even then it was only a half truth at best - there have always been plenty of middle and upper class Britons who enjoyed playing and watching and supporting association football (soccer). And Britain ain't the rest of the world, either; in most of Europe and Latin America and Africa and Asia soccer transcends all social classes. <br /><br />Steve, every time you write about soccer you demonstrate your vast ignorance of the subject. Try educating yourself for a change before you mouth off on a topic you know nothing about, apart from some factoid that you vaguely remember from some book you read twenty years ago. Your attempt to make us American soccer fans look "ignorant" only serves once again to highlight your own ignorance. EPIC FAIL. <br /><br />It's quite pitiful, really, this constant need to try to sound more informed and superior to those "poor deluded American soccer fans", as is the completely uninformed chest-pounding of the various soccer-hating types who always respond to this topic with their entirely predictable drivel, and who cannot fathom the distinction between "I find this boring" and "this is inherently boring in an objective sense"; apparently their own tribal prejudices are to be considered the measure of all things boring/not boring, and the fact that other people find watching a soccer match to be engrossing is just "proof" that they are deluded. <br /><br />There's choice words for that kind of narcissism, ignorance, and arrogance, but I won't repeat them here. This is precisely the kind of idiotic thinking that gave us eight years of Bush and the Iraq War: "those foreigners ain't really different from us, they are just stupid and uninformed and are all potential Americans who would be just like us if we gave them a chance"; like that General said to Joker in Full Metal Jacket: "inside every gook there is an American trying to get out". <br /><br />No. Wrong. No there is not. Your personal ideas of what sports are "boring" or "exciting" are not held by the vast majority of the world, or even necessarily by most Americans. Stop projecting your own personal prejudices on to others and try LEARNING something about the world you live in. <br /><br />This blog tries to do that on race and other taboo topics, by being objective, and kudos for that; now try doing the same for sports, if you are going to write about the topic. It can be done, you know. But you have to recognize your own blinders, first. You guys ain't even trying. <br /><br />But go ahead, pile on, claim that soccer's rise in popularity in the USA is all a great leftist conspiracy; never mind that those Harvard leftists who wrote that episode of the Simpsons demonstrated that they know nothing of soccer, and don't like soccer, just as in the same episode they demonstrated that they know little about and care little for guns and the 2nd Amendment. <br /><br />If I had a dollar for every liberal and leftist in academia and the media who is a soccer hater I'd be a rich man. That idiot who regularly appears on NPR's Only a Game, I forget his name at the moment, hates soccer. You can't get much more elite academic leftist than NPR. I spent more than a few years in elite grad schools and never encountered a single soccer fan (lots of baseball snobs, though). The elite liberal media, especially sports media, is full of politically correct, negro-athlete-worshiping fools who HATE soccer and who have been doing their best for half a century to denigrate the sport and keep it from growing.<br /><br />Drew Carey, part owner of the Sounders, is a conservative. One of the billionaires who helped keep MLS alive for the past thirteen years is Phil Anschutz, a notorious right-winger much hated by leftists. <br /><br />Any attempt to make these kinds of links between one's politics and the sport one chooses to play or watch is simply idiotic. Any example you can make to back up one half-baked social or racial stereotype about soccer can be countered by an equal number of counter-examples.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46858833443685276392009-04-03T15:12:00.000-07:002009-04-03T15:12:00.000-07:00BODYBUILDING. Now there's a "sport" that's mostly...BODYBUILDING. Now there's a "sport" that's mostly gay.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7967518235744166222009-04-03T15:10:00.000-07:002009-04-03T15:10:00.000-07:00Wrestling, anyone?Nah, that's mistaking the damage...<I>Wrestling, anyone?</I><BR/><BR/>Nah, that's mistaking the damage done to our culture by homosexualism for homosexual overtones in wrestling.<BR/><BR/>Guess what happens to two guys who want to kill one another and don't have any weapons handy? They wrestle, generally. Not homosexual at all. Kinda the opposite. Short of UFC type sports, I'm having trouble thinking of a more masculine sport.<BR/><BR/>WATCHING, well, that's all in the eye of the beholder, innit?<BR/><BR/>See, men aren't supposed to have to put up with male homosexuality as an acceptable behavior. When they're forced to, they retreat into calling normal, masculine behavior (wrestling, touching another guy affectionately) "homoeroticism."Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55446817705346525492009-04-03T09:48:00.000-07:002009-04-03T09:48:00.000-07:00In Spain, for example, the fans of Sevilla and Rea...<I> In Spain, for example, the fans of Sevilla and Real Madrid have, historically at least, come from the middle class whilst their cross town rivals were more working class. </I><BR/><BR/>Those rivals would be Real Betis Balompie and Atletico Madrid. ( Viva Er Beti' ! )<BR/>Same phenomenon in Munich, with FC Bayern being the upper/middle class club and TSV 1860 being the working class club. In Barcelona, Spanish/Andalucian immigrants support Espanyol , while Catalan natives support Barca. I don't really know, but I'd play money on the same dynamic happening with Chivas USA vs. Galaxy.stari_momaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47514788283159623772009-04-03T08:06:00.000-07:002009-04-03T08:06:00.000-07:00seattle are big wimp city....soccer teaches no war...seattle are big wimp city....<BR/>soccer teaches no war skills<BR/>save running in fright..<BR/>"i will keek the handgrenade"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80563507243369379242009-04-03T07:24:00.000-07:002009-04-03T07:24:00.000-07:00Was there ever a sport more homoerotic than the Am...<I>Was there ever a sport more homoerotic than the American Football?</I><BR/><BR/>Wrestling, anyone?Lucillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03225011724349777456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28664414176271537762009-04-03T06:03:00.000-07:002009-04-03T06:03:00.000-07:00@josh:Male field hockey players don't wear skirts,...@josh:<BR/><BR/>Male field hockey players don't wear skirts, they wear shorts just like soccer players.<BR/><BR/>The women *do* wear skirts and look great wearing them.<BR/><BR/>http://www.daylife.com/photo/0evY3trbBn7seDutch readernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27789331240465369562009-04-02T21:56:00.000-07:002009-04-02T21:56:00.000-07:00Was there ever a sport more homoerotic than the Am...<I>Was there ever a sport more homoerotic than the American Football?</I><BR/><BR/>Most of us wouldn't know.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30085640194071328432009-04-02T17:00:00.000-07:002009-04-02T17:00:00.000-07:00The truth is that all sports are boring if you don...<I>The truth is that all sports are boring if you don't like them.</I><BR/><BR/>Maybe, but that's beside the point. I loved playing soccer as a kid. It's huge fun, and you generally don't feel like you've been run over by a truck like you do after playing tackle football.<BR/><BR/>But it's boring to watch, unless you're emotionally invested (brother playing striker or something)<BR/><BR/><I>I guarantee you this, however. If you ever learn to enjoy soccer, you will find that American football becomes unwatchable.</I><BR/><BR/>Maybe, but how could anyone into football ever learn that? It'd be like learning to love flying a Cessna when you can get flying time in an F-16.<BR/><BR/><I>Too many commercial breaks. Too many stoppages in play -- huddles, measurements, time outs, etc.</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, but when the clock's running, there's actually something to watch. Something that doesn't usually consist of the same boring, repetitive actions.<BR/><BR/><I>Too much inane blathering from commentators.</I><BR/><BR/>Can't argue with that. I got where I wanted to strangle John Madden. The only casters I could put up with were the ones who everyone hated because they spoke the ugly truth too often, like Chris Collinsworth (he used to love calling out overpaid receivers on their alligator arms).<BR/><BR/><I>An NFL game? Four hours ... if you're lucky.</I><BR/><BR/>Three, back when I was watching, sans overtime. Have you only watched the Superbowl or something?Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66439645182448143552009-04-02T13:09:00.000-07:002009-04-02T13:09:00.000-07:00football (soccer to you) used to be very much a pr...<I>football (soccer to you) used to be very much a prole sport. But that has changed over the last 20 years or so.</I><BR/><BR/>Steve, beware calcification. And don't get it confused with californication!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30318135563859595862009-04-02T12:46:00.000-07:002009-04-02T12:46:00.000-07:00The truth is that all sports are boring if you don...The truth is that all sports are boring if you don't like them.<BR/><BR/>I guarantee you this, however. If you ever learn to enjoy soccer, you will find that American football becomes unwatchable. <BR/><BR/>Too many commercial breaks. Too many stoppages in play -- huddles, measurements, time outs, etc. Too much inane blathering from commentators. <BR/><BR/>A typical soccer match -- EPL, MLS, MFL, whatever -- takes just under two hours. An NFL game? Four hours ... if you're lucky. Sure, there are a couple more scores usually -- but you pay for that with your investment in time.poolsidenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8279973731426794112009-04-02T06:46:00.000-07:002009-04-02T06:46:00.000-07:00Was there ever a sport more homoerotic than the Am...<I>Was there ever a sport more homoerotic than the American Football?</I><BR/><BR/>No need to get touchy. Soccer is the ultimate player's sport. Though best played with a field equipped with goals, you need nothing but players, a ball, and a field.<BR/><BR/>But it's got to be the least entertaining popular spectator sport. Compared to football, it's a snooze.<BR/><BR/>Well, then again, I can watch soccer for a few minutes, but not baseball.<BR/><BR/>Football was the only sport I was ever interested in watching on a regular basis, before I stopped watching teevee altogether three years ago.<BR/><BR/>Basketball? You've gotta be kidding me. There's something creepy to me about white men who watch a lot of pro basketball. I guess college hoops might not be like bamboo under the nails...Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5733766821362388192009-04-02T06:39:00.000-07:002009-04-02T06:39:00.000-07:00... soccer is too complicated for blacks and this ...<I> ... soccer is too complicated for blacks and this is why they don't play it</I><BR/><BR/>I didn't say it was too complicated. I said it took years and years of technical training, and in the U.S., that comes with a very high price tag.<BR/><BR/>Select soccer -- like select baseball -- is very expensive, upwards of $2,000 a year even for young kids.<BR/><BR/>Hence the appeal among whites ... they know that many minorities are priced out of the sport.<BR/><BR/><I>Look at a typical Brazilian national team and tell me that blacks can't play the sport.</I><BR/><BR/>You are twisting my words.<BR/><BR/>Of course blacks CAN play the sport. And they do, everywhere else in the world (at the typical high level that blacks play other sports).<BR/><BR/>In Brazil and other countries, soccer is like basketball in the U.S. ... you play whenever and wherever you can find a few other kids and a ball. So the training that is required comes from hours of pick-up games in the street, at the local park, on the beach, wherever.<BR/><BR/>At a certain age, if you show promise, you are invited to a professional team's youth academy and they pay for your continued development.<BR/><BR/>In the U.S., youth soccer is highly organized and structured. You don't just go outside and play soccer with your mates. You belong to a youth club run by paid professionals and you are trained by paid professionals.<BR/><BR/>That type of structure is expensive, and the parents pay the way. Thus, soccer tends to be very focused in suburban white communities ... where there is disposable income, naturally.<BR/><BR/>Most of the suburban blacks who play soccer in my area -- where soccer is very popular -- are the children of African immigrants. And not surprisingly, they dominate their teams.poolsidenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60259252767687467122009-04-02T00:07:00.000-07:002009-04-02T00:07:00.000-07:00Despite the apparent simplicity of the game, it ta...<I>Despite the apparent simplicity of the game, it takes years of training and work to develop good techical skill. And it is very difficult for one player to dominate a match ... teamwork is a necessity.<BR/><BR/>That combination makes it lethal to many black athletes. In that sense, soccer is a lot like baseball, which is very difficult to play well and doesn't provide nearly as many chest-thumping, "in-yo-face" moments as football and basketball.</I><BR/><BR/>poolside, this is such nonsense that it's hard to know where to start. <BR/><BR/>I mean, really, soccer is too complicated for blacks and this is why they don't play it? Come the fuck on. Look at a typical Brazilian national team and tell me that blacks can't play the sport. Hell, most of the time the French national team is at least half black, if not more, and France's population is no more than about 4% black.<BR/><BR/>The reason American blacks aren't much in evidence in soccer is because by and large <I>they aren't interested</I>. <BR/><BR/>Occam's razor.get realnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90055335428521413722009-04-01T23:55:00.000-07:002009-04-01T23:55:00.000-07:00Yes, baseball and soccer are as boring as chess. T...<I>Yes, baseball and soccer are as boring as chess. They may be fun to play, but to watch? Do you enjoy watching chess?</I> --Anon<BR/><BR/>I said "boring, as is chess", not "boring as chess", though, <I>mea culpa</I>, I slipped and deleted the comma.<BR/><BR/>Chess was awfully gripping in 1972, with the Spassky-Fischer matches. You just have to know what's going on.<BR/><BR/>By the (gridiron) football fan's reasoning, Harvey Haddix's 12 perfect innings was the dullest baseball game ever. To the initiated, it was the most exciting. This is why <I>The Sporting News</I> would list the previous season's 1-0 ballgames in their annual guide. As in soccer, those games are the most special. (Want more scoring? Watch cricket!)<BR/><BR/><I>Yep, around the country participants actually die in auto racing and football every season. Those are the two most popular spectator sports.</I> --anon.<BR/><BR/>Um, NASCAR and Indy are notably less deadly than Formula One. So Euros are even more into the "sting of battle" than us Yanks?<BR/><BR/>Soccer fails not because of its differences with football, but because of its <I>similarities</I> with baseball. There isn't room for two leisurely-paced grassy sports in a country. Soccer, baseball and cricket, with few exceptions, each have their own countries.Reg Cæsarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70467280574412133202009-04-01T21:05:00.000-07:002009-04-01T21:05:00.000-07:00"Real Americans LOVE the sting of battle." PattonY..."Real Americans LOVE the sting of battle." Patton<BR/><BR/>Yep, around the country participants actually die in auto racing and football every season. Those are the two most popular spectator sports. Boxing in America was also much more popular in the old days when fighters occasionally died. And everybody understood that that was not necessarily a bad thing, to have a tough warrior die. <BR/><BR/>The future of soccer in America would be brighter if a lot more players died on the field. Sorry, I meant to say "on the pitch", you homos.<BR/><BR/>Steve, I can't wait for the nuclear age to be over whatever it takes. Bring back the battle axes and heavy clubs like in the old days. Bring back the mace. That was a weapon of real men. At least 70% of the men on this planet today are worthless eaters. <BR/><BR/>Now stop reading this blog and get to back to your video games, you sackless pansies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43598620027725882402009-04-01T18:41:00.000-07:002009-04-01T18:41:00.000-07:00Soccer: Ameica's Next Big Sport Since 1972...T...Soccer: Ameica's Next Big Sport Since 1972...<BR/><BR/>Testing, has there ever been a bigger bunch of pansies than soccer forwards? Someone breathes on them and they fall down clutching some body part. In a real sport they get the snot beat out of them on the spot.<BR/><BR/>And as far as the cerebral aspect of football is concerned, I have have to quote the great Dan Jenkins, who knows more about the sport than both of us put together, "If it was as complicated as the coaches make it out to be, these low rent m@therf&ckers couldn't play it!"<BR/><BR/>BrutusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47911725265686017622009-04-01T18:33:00.000-07:002009-04-01T18:33:00.000-07:00Pretty much all you need to know about soccer:http...Pretty much all you need to know about soccer:<BR/><BR/>http://www.humorscore.com/videos/The_Simpsons_Videos/The_Simpsons_-_Soccer_RiotSGOTInoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8790705509578342412009-04-01T17:41:00.000-07:002009-04-01T17:41:00.000-07:00Steve, sorry to rain on your parade but your socce...Steve, <BR/><BR/>sorry to rain on your parade but your soccer gene is stuck in early to mid-80's. <BR/>These days it's a cleverly marketed global social phenomenon adored by billions across the globe. And, FYI, English Premier League is IT right now in terms of money,fame and prestige, and its two most succesfull clubs, Liverpool and Manchester United, are both owned by Americans. Take your time and read up on the topic, will ya?<BR/><BR/>Most of the popular American sports are parochial in nature and have very little to do with ancient White People*. <BR/><BR/>*Exhibit One: NBA.<BR/><BR/>'Not to mention that the scarves are so Harry Potter.'<BR/><BR/>Was there ever a sport more homoerotic than the American Football?sj071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78966322017886165402009-04-01T16:08:00.000-07:002009-04-01T16:08:00.000-07:00"Soccer IS boring ... it comes down to who has the..."Soccer IS boring ... it comes down to who has the best conditioning and mental discipline at the end of the game."<BR/><BR/>False, it comes down mainly to skill. At the highest levels of competition, the better team almost always wins. Upsets are rare compared to American sports. <BR/><BR/>Also, most of the fans of the New York professional soccer team are immigrants and children of immigrants. It may be different in other places. SWPL in NYC tend to like baseball or not to care about team sports at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17110373336948093072009-04-01T15:54:00.000-07:002009-04-01T15:54:00.000-07:00"Soccer remains one of the few team sports in the ..."Soccer remains one of the few team sports in the U.S. where young white people can succeed. And where you might actually see a team with more than one or two token whites."<BR/><BR/>Yeahhh, I feel you homeboy...De'man always be keepin' y'all down...He won't let duh white folk have nuthinnn!Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45400515292001839472009-04-01T15:07:00.000-07:002009-04-01T15:07:00.000-07:00James Kabala said...I suspect that even this story...<I>James Kabala said...<BR/><BR/>I suspect that even this story is heavily exaggerated. (Although maybe not - Northwestern SWPL might have different attitudes from Northeastern SWPL. Seattle, Portland, and San Francisco seem (from a distance; I've never been to any of them) to be hard-core SWPL in daily tone in a way that even Boston and Manhattan, let alone Providence or Worcester or Hartford, are not, despite their political liberalism.)</I><BR/><BR/>Seattle has traditionally been a football town. Seattlites are liberal in the sense that they pay lip service to liberalism, but they don't act all that liberal in making life choices.<BR/><BR/>The SWPL crowd is very evident here. Seattle is culturally San Francisco's dorky little sister with glasses and braces, always following her big sister around and wearing hand-me-downs. Because the SWPL website was started to describe a San Francisco phenomenon, it also has a lot of cultural relevance to Seattle. <BR/><BR/>So yes, SWPL is a lot more characteristic of Seattle than the East Coast. However, it's pretty much a subculture of professionals and hipsters -- definitely not the majority. As for the popularity of soccer, it's pretty obvious that the last thirty or forty years of widespread youth soccer has finally resulted in a critical mass of adults who are interested in the game.Billhttp://www.welmer.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17089618657304075452009-04-01T14:21:00.000-07:002009-04-01T14:21:00.000-07:00greenrivervalleyman,Albert Camus was a pied noir. ...greenrivervalleyman,<BR/><BR/>Albert Camus was a pied noir. In French Algeria soccer was much bigger than it was in metropolitan France. It's very unlikely he was representative of France's cultural elite.Matranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22076965768072431942009-04-01T13:37:00.000-07:002009-04-01T13:37:00.000-07:00"In America the proles like those sports. The elit..."In America the proles like those sports. The elite (and pseudo-elite - Dick Florida's "creative class") watch soccer. It doesn't matter which particular sport you watch. What's important is that the proles don't."<BR/><BR/>I don't think this claim has much basis in reality. Most of my acquaintances are college graduate Northeasterners, and I've never known anyone who cared in the least about the New England Revolution or the New York Red Bulls. Most of them root as eagerly as anyone for the Red Sox, Patriots, Yankees, Giants, etc. <BR/><BR/>In the U.S., being a sports fan has never really been considered low class - probably because football and basketball had their origins in college (however phony today's "student-athletes" may be), and baseball, although less college-associated, is so old and historic (by U.S. standards) and bound up with American identity that more literary ink has been spilled on it than on any other team sport. <BR/><BR/>I suspect that even this story is heavily exaggerated. (Although maybe not - Northwestern SWPL might have different attitudes from Northeastern SWPL. Seattle, Portland, and San Francisco seem (from a distance; I've never been to any of them) to be hard-core SWPL in daily tone in a way that even Boston and Manhattan, let alone Providence or Worcester or Hartford, are not, despite their political liberalism.)James Kabalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02335302113772004687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58509628752660499412009-04-01T13:26:00.000-07:002009-04-01T13:26:00.000-07:00Lacrosse is growing in popularity only among child...Lacrosse is growing in popularity only among children and young people. The professional league attracts very little attention, and there are few if any adult amateur leagues. As for the last point, that's true of most sports, what with our increasingly sedentary society and the explosive growth of zero-exercise-value golf. Team sports opportunities for adults are very scarce. In football, more like "nonexistent."<BR/><BR/>PeterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com