tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post4700117084278173446..comments2024-03-29T05:14:33.223-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: IQ genesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48783176112354181782010-09-26T19:02:34.609-07:002010-09-26T19:02:34.609-07:00Intelligence doesn't come from the genes or fr...Intelligence doesn't come from the genes or from anything physical! It comes from the spirit world, obviously!<br /><br />(sarcasm off)<br /><br />There is a long way to go, but this is interesting research.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63798741680609324892010-09-25T15:04:26.460-07:002010-09-25T15:04:26.460-07:00I think, "green mamba" is making an impo...I think, "green mamba" is making an important point:<br /><br />"pi-news.net is a very valuable site for Germans and German-speaking peoples (...). It could use a few more race realists though (...). The guys there are always blaming the behavior of Muslim immigrants on their religion, while ignoring the issue of ethnicity."<br /><br />Everywhere there is too much ideology and not enough pure science.<br /><br />And this is, I think, because of the fear of the monotheistic lobbies everywhere, that on the bottom of science there will not be found monotheism but atheism or paganism.<br /><br />- Some additional remarks:<br /><br />The famous german philosopher Norbert Bolz is speaking about a "sign of history" while looking at the Sarrazin debate in Germany.<br /><br />The famous german journalist Frank Schirrmacher (FAZ, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung) is denouncing Sarrazin having a "biologistically" worldview but at the same time he gives space in his newspaper for the german intelligence researchers Detlef Rost and Heiner Rindermann saying, that Sarrazin is scientifically not false but right. <br /><br />And Schirrmacher expresses his angryness about the ignorance of the german chancellor and the political class, trying to avoid the debate about a political book of which is saled now more than 600.000 pieces in Germany.<br /><br />The famous german brain researcher Gerhard Roth also said good things about the heritability of intelligence on the line of Detlef Rost.<br /><br />So there is a lot going on today. In the future no one can speak about all this themes without referring to Sarrazin and hin "genetic determnism".<br /><br />By the way: Culture is not only determined by intelligence genes, but by serotonin transporter genes also (see for example "Culture–gene coevolution of individualism–collectivism and the serotonin transporter gene").<br /><br />So I think there exists now good arguments to say that for the individualistic and innovative western culture it is not good to accumulate "asian" serotonin transporter genes by importing high-IQ-minorities.<br /><br />There is only the need of having fun to have a lot of children by the autochthon population with good intelligence.Ingo Badinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03090794366290908769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15122849507089631732010-09-24T10:35:29.266-07:002010-09-24T10:35:29.266-07:00So genetic engineering is not likely to yield IQ i...So genetic engineering is not likely to yield IQ improvement any time in the foreseeable future??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15242926272207343532010-09-24T10:10:16.196-07:002010-09-24T10:10:16.196-07:00Further vindication of the genius of Ronald A. Fis...Further vindication of the genius of Ronald A. Fisher and Sewall Wright as well ( The Einstein and Bohr of 20th century genetics ). When you think about it, it makes logical sense, big mutations are rare, and beneficial big mutations are rarer still. It would be hard to see much evolution going on if that was all that natural selection had to operate on. On a side note, the drip-drip of genetics findings is making Stephen Jay Gould's leftist tinged biology look more and more irrelevant every passing year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76999091161804061662010-09-23T20:33:58.273-07:002010-09-23T20:33:58.273-07:00Mr. Thursday,
--As for the 10,000 hour thesis, wel...Mr. Thursday,<br />--As for the 10,000 hour thesis, well it is true that to be a genius you have to put in the time and effort necessary master your area, but that doesn't mean that an ordinary person who puts in the same amount of time and effort will become a genius. Likewise opportunity is necessary too, but isn't sufficient. In other words, genius requires natural talent plus hard work plus opportunity. This seems so obvious to me that I wonder why anyone would believe otherwise.<br /><br />I've wondered the same, and come to the following conclusion: the people putting forth the 10k hours-makes-you-as-good-as-a-genius have let their envy get the better of them.<br /><br />They would simply rather pretend that they could be a genius too, or could have been, if they'd just worked a bit harder, or had an extra year or so. It makes it easier for them to stomach the fact that they just aren't that much better than those around them, that what they do just isn't that important.<br /><br />(I'd have posted this on MR, but I've been banned for having verbally rolled my eyes too often, saying Prof. Cowen was egotistical and unknowledgeable at the same time.)<br /><br />But there are more than just the three traits you list. Genius also has this amazing feature of a kind of tenacity that is self feeding for perfection. The genius is self driven to practice to perfection because something in them doesn't feel the pain of disappointment but sees how close they are to success in a way us mortals do not. There are plenty more such minute traits that feed into it as well: just the right about of joy vs frustration, just the right about of risk taking vs tentativeness (too much and you are crazy but not genius), just the right social balance of not needing people but not alienating them, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38988464014388816342010-09-23T14:59:14.824-07:002010-09-23T14:59:14.824-07:00I wish they would hurry up and discover the genes ...I wish they would hurry up and discover the genes already. The biological egalitarians and g-denialists have a great fondness for the argument that says because the genes for IQ have not been discovered, they thus do not exist, so it is absurd to propose that IQ has a genetic component. This is absurd of course, but if your arguments confirm a deeply ensconced orthodoxy they don't need to make sense at all. See, Lysenko or Stephen Jay Gould.<br /><br />Is it possible to use the same within-family analyses to find out whether these gene combinations are functionally related to IQ and academic achivement? For instance, height is correlated with IQ, but it is not functional correlation but merely coincides with high IQ. Whether a trait is functional or not can be revealed using a within-family analysis of the trait in question. Will this work for genes?<br /><br />http://paxbritania.blogspot.com/herhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18136601285730513803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34440531616652001372010-09-23T10:49:22.378-07:002010-09-23T10:49:22.378-07:00"this would make a cool poster
http://www.bu..."this would make a cool poster<br /><br />http://www.businessinsider.com/segregation-map-america-new-york-2010-9"<br /><br />Yeah, and the blue and orange dots are also a map of home foreclosures, which is why home values for whites and Asians aren't going to drop in the near term as badly as the bellyaching Mort Zuckerman predicts. Notice on these maps how sharp the lines of segregation are. America ain't no rainbow, folks, it's a filter bank spectrometer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28358616939453694932010-09-23T07:11:31.248-07:002010-09-23T07:11:31.248-07:00There is no benefit to this kind of research for s...<i>There is no benefit to this kind of research for society as a whole.</i><br /><br />On the contrary, it means we can save the commonweal billions of dollars trying to pound square pegs into round holes.The Anti-Gnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386593803225823789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19212825830981245472010-09-23T04:01:59.428-07:002010-09-23T04:01:59.428-07:00Eyyyy, Deutschmeister, you've read pi-news.net...<i>Eyyyy, Deutschmeister, you've read pi-news.net right?</i><br /><br />pi-news.net is a very valuable site for Germans and German-speaking peoples (it's popular in Switzerland and Austria, I think). It could use a few more race realists though (discreet ones, of course, since race is an understandably delicate topic in Germany). The guys there are always blaming the behavior of Muslim immigrants on their religion, while ignoring the issue of ethnicity.green mambanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58480433556157675692010-09-23T01:50:48.637-07:002010-09-23T01:50:48.637-07:00Correction: The Economist article I excerpted abo...Correction: The Economist article I excerpted above came out in 2009.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32372690623681418622010-09-22T20:45:25.948-07:002010-09-22T20:45:25.948-07:00Speaking of IQ and genes, the following seems quit...Speaking of IQ and genes, the following seems quite relevant. Anybody know what is going on with GWAS?<br /><br />"Human geneticists have reached a private crisis of conscience, and it will become public knowledge in 2010. The crisis has depressing health implications and alarming political ones. In a nutshell: the new genetics will reveal much less than hoped about how to cure disease, and much more than feared about human evolution and inequality, including genetic differences between classes, ethnicities and races.<br /><br />"About five years ago, genetics researchers became excited about new methods for “genome-wide association studies” (GWAS). We already knew from twin, family and adoption studies that all human traits are heritable: genetic differences explain much of the variation between individuals. We knew the genes were there; we just had to find them....<br /><br />- The Economist, November 2010Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32852403935401409322010-09-22T20:32:59.991-07:002010-09-22T20:32:59.991-07:00"It was pretty clearly established that North...<i>"It was pretty clearly established that Northeast Asians have IQ that is much much higher than whites..."</i><br /><br />Firstly, it depends on what "whites" you're talking about. The term is thrown around but never defined on this blog. Secondly, compared to Northwestern Europeans, Northeast Asians don't have a "much much higher" IQ. It's maybe two to five points higher. <br /><br /><i>"And there is assortive mating going on. All over the USA you see super high IQ white males marrying females of Japanese, Korean, and Chinese ancestry while at the same time you see super low IQ white males marrying Southeast Asian females."</i><br /><br />Prove it. The hyperbole and unsubstantiated bullshit in the comments gets a bit overwhelming at times.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12279311209620362702010-09-22T20:15:19.104-07:002010-09-22T20:15:19.104-07:00Ingo Bading said
>A lot of Germans are looking...Ingo Bading said<br /><br />>A lot of Germans are looking toward Sarrazin like a revolutioner, calling him something like "Che Sarrazin".<<br /><br />Beware. Probably a different group of people (who are bad) is calling him "Hitler Sarrazin" for the identical reason!<br /><br />>A lot of political correctness is collapsing in Germany today in favour for scientifical correctness.<<br /><br />I hope. And thank you for the genuinely delightful term "scientifical correctness." I will never use a different term for this! Best wishes to youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30879390899452144452010-09-22T20:13:20.224-07:002010-09-22T20:13:20.224-07:00"Have you guys followed the recent developmen..."Have you guys followed the recent development of the Commonwealth Game to be held in New Delhi?"<br /><br />On the surface it looks to be a shambles. <br /><br />The games are due to start on Oct 3, but Aust, Can, UK and NZ have expressed misgivings about the unfinished site, citing health and safety as well as the usual security concerns.<br />Caused by corruption? Suspicion and lack of co-operation between the castes? Maybe India needs a teaspoon of totalitarianism?<br /><br />Meanwhile China has announced that Guangzhou is ahead of time in completing preparations for the Asian Games..starting Nov.FFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78664399731171534612010-09-22T20:06:25.740-07:002010-09-22T20:06:25.740-07:00Related to a past isteve post about this time last...Related to a past isteve post about this time last year. An excerpt from a November 2009 Economist article:<br /><br />"Human geneticists have reached a private crisis of conscience, and it will become public knowledge in 2010. The crisis has depressing health implications and alarming political ones. In a nutshell: the new genetics will reveal much less than hoped about how to cure disease, and much more than feared about human evolution and inequality, including genetic differences between classes, ethnicities and races.<br /><br />"About five years ago, genetics researchers became excited about new methods for “genome-wide association studies” (GWAS). We already knew from twin, family and adoption studies that all human traits are heritable: genetic differences explain much of the variation between individuals. We knew the genes were there; we just had to find them....<br /><br />"Why the failure? The missing heritability may reflect limitations of DNA-chip design: GWAS methods so far focus on relatively common genetic variants in regions of DNA that code for proteins. They under-sample rare variants and DNA regions translated into non-coding RNA, which seems to orchestrate most organic development in vertebrates. Or it may be that thousands of small mutations disrupt body and brain in different ways in different populations. At worst, each human trait may depend on hundreds of thousands of genetic variants that add up through gene-expression patterns of mind-numbing complexity."<br /><br />Would be interesting to know what is happening with GWAS now. There is a review of the progress as of March, 2010 here: http://www.nature.com/jhg/journal/v55/n4/full/jhg201019a.html , but there is no mention of race or intelligence in the article.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65423049344791719762010-09-22T19:47:25.438-07:002010-09-22T19:47:25.438-07:00Eyyyy, Deutschmeister, you've read pi-news.net...Eyyyy, Deutschmeister, you've read pi-news.net right? I read it - at about two sentences per minute! See also alternativeright.com - not that Steve shouldn't also say a word (if he likes), it would be quite interesting.<br /><br />Der Anderer, darueber Sie geschrieben haben, bleibt immer sehr interessant, doch ungluecklich ist jetzt langsam ein Zentrist geworden - ja, ganz vollig, nach meiner Meinung. <br /><br />Here's to Sarrazin and the land of poets and thinkers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55920156340149427402010-09-22T19:25:44.761-07:002010-09-22T19:25:44.761-07:00this would make a cool poster
http://www.business...this would make a cool poster<br /><br />http://www.businessinsider.com/segregation-map-america-new-york-2010-9Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76883008165201381592010-09-22T15:57:46.404-07:002010-09-22T15:57:46.404-07:00The really sad and maddening thing is that this re...The really sad and maddening thing is that this research has been largely ignored by the American media. Hopefully Nicholas Wade will do a piece on Plomin's research soon.Average Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203996329459638052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55925016519374430952010-09-22T15:01:30.983-07:002010-09-22T15:01:30.983-07:00Have you guys followed the recent development of t...Have you guys followed the recent development of the Commonwealth Game to be held in New Delhi?<br /><br />http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2010/09/21/pkg.india.bridge.collapse.cnn?iref=allsearch<br /><br /><br />It's fair to say these are not the most intelligent people as advertised.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85728892623722294162010-09-22T13:50:25.243-07:002010-09-22T13:50:25.243-07:00Steve,
I was bothered to find, on Half Sigma'...Steve, <br />I was bothered to find, on Half Sigma's blog, Yan Shen posting some negative and untrue things about this blog. <br /><br />I don't want to dignify his comments by repeating them here, but let me say for the record that I think the treatment of the subject of asian IQ vs white IQ was handled very fairly here. It was pretty clearly established that Northeast Asians have IQ that is much much higher than whites and also that if you average the IQ of all other Asians you come to an average IQ way lower than the IQ of whites. In other words, asians that are not Northeast Asians have lower IQ than whites<br /><br /><br /><br />And there is assortive mating going on. All over the USA you see super high IQ white males marrying females of Japanese, Korean, and Chinese ancestry while at the same time you see super low IQ white males marrying Southeast Asian females.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9237795311375526612010-09-22T13:12:48.828-07:002010-09-22T13:12:48.828-07:00It is interesting that Koreans, Chinese, and Japan...It is interesting that Koreans, Chinese, and Japanese have similar IQ but very different levels of religious observance.<br /><br />Koreans are famous for including among their number some very devout Christians but Japanese and Chinese, not so much.<br /><br />Korea in the past was responsible for a massive number of female babies sent to the USA for adoption. <br /><br />I am not an expert on this but my understanding is that in some cases if a poor married woman in China gets pregnant, her husband will force her to get the fetus tested and abort the female fetuses and carry the male fetuses to term. On the other hand in Korea, if a poor married woman gets pregant her husband will force her to get the fetus tested and plan to put the fetus, if female, up for adoption but will make plans to keep it if it is male. <br /><br />For some reason, married couples in Korea are reluctant to abort the females while married couples in China are ok with aborting the females.<br /><br />I always wondered if it is just the poor married Christians in Korea that showed this reluctance or whether it is a Korean thing that extends to Christians and non Christians alike. Is it fair to say that Korea as a country is more religious than China as a country or is it just the Christian Koreans that are more religiousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81811598456477668702010-09-22T12:48:10.717-07:002010-09-22T12:48:10.717-07:00Thilo Sarrazin for us is the german "Bell Cur...<i>Thilo Sarrazin for us is the german "Bell Curve Debate", that never has been taken place in Germany. (Even today there exists no translation of Herrnstein/Murray into german language.) </i><br /><br />It's not like there has really been a debate about Murray in America. I wouldn't even call it a discussion. On occasion his name is mentioned and he is disparaged. That's about it.<br /><br />But anyway, the huge amount of support for Thilo in Germany is surprising and invigorating.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89437645453096751462010-09-22T12:48:08.687-07:002010-09-22T12:48:08.687-07:00I wouldn't count on our "Occupation Media...I wouldn't count on our "Occupation Media" reporting this find very much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4036313256456521952010-09-22T12:11:26.678-07:002010-09-22T12:11:26.678-07:00A lot of political correctness is collapsing in Ge...<i>A lot of political correctness is collapsing in Germany today in favour for scientifical corretness. </i><br />Germans, unlike Americans, do believe in science; your native culture is actually good at it. Maybe there's hope.<br /><br /><i>There is a lot of hope, that this will change the thinking about the devastaing politics in the last decades concerning immigration policy, conservative values, german identity, falling birth rates of the autochthon population and of the right half of the bell curve.</i><br />Good luck with that. Though I suspect falling birth rates of the autochthon population have as much to do with economic factors as anything else; if the <i>Frauen</i> get too SWPL-ish, they're not going to feel like having kids.<br /><br />Also be aware that this whole IQ thing may not work the way you hoped; once multiculturalists can't deny IQ, they may decide they want to import high-IQ minorities instead. And the guilty masses may go along with it. The Chinese are very disciplined and bookish; I actually suspect they would make pretty good Germans. Of course they may just want to stay put and help their country grow.SFGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52929972353779792622010-09-22T12:02:15.043-07:002010-09-22T12:02:15.043-07:00Robert Plomin of King's College London has bee...<i>Robert Plomin of King's College London has been plugging away at the genetics of IQ for decades. It's been frustrating, but now he thinks he's getting somewhere.</i><br /><br />Sigh. Steve the reason no one of importance is dying to find out if intelligence arises genetically is quite simply: They would be the ones who would have to deal with the social fall out.<br /><br />There is no benefit to this kind of research for society as a whole.Sylvianoreply@blogger.com