tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post4817024326779763709..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Criminology back from boredomUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16973930731295717942011-06-23T20:44:29.843-07:002011-06-23T20:44:29.843-07:00ben tillman:
There's surely an ideological sl...ben tillman:<br /><br />There's surely an ideological slant to this, but I think mostly, it's because most crime is just ugly and depressing and stupid, rather than interesting. (Motive for the murder: "He was lookin at me funny.") <br /><br />Similarly, if the criminal is well-dressed, rich, and glamorous, it's more fun to watch than if he's sponging off his mom and baby mommas to supplement his meager drug-dealing and mugging income, and everyone in the apartment where he's sleeping is missing most of their teeth and could no more read a book that flap their arms and fly.NOTAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53115742988580641552011-06-23T07:47:13.010-07:002011-06-23T07:47:13.010-07:00Black crime is invariably dreary, unimaginative an...<i>Black crime is invariably dreary, unimaginative and sordid; few people want to dwell on it.<br />Whites commit more interesting crimes, ones people are more likely to want to follow.</i><br /><br />I think you mean that TV shows, using White or Jewish actors to play the criminals, portray crimes that are more imaginative and interesting than those occurring in real life.<br /><br />White DUI's are not more interesting than Mexican DUI's.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54077009169013730972011-06-22T03:53:03.106-07:002011-06-22T03:53:03.106-07:00black swan,
"Crime or murder or violent crim...black swan,<br /><br />"Crime or murder or violent crime? You can't keep changing the meaning."<br /><br />Fair point. I'm not an academic and could use more precision.<br /><br />.<br />"Plus, those violent young males tend to kill other violent young males."<br /><br />Very true *but* the same small percentage are also responsible for a vastly disproportionate amount of other violent crime where the victims are innocent.<br /><br />.<br />"an excuse to reduce all our privacy rights. Please, no one notices you enough to want to kill you, Wandrin."<br /><br />No idea what that means. If the media would report the truth you could use stats and a three strikes rule to figure out a way to maximize the reduction of violent crime with the least number of long-term prisoners.<br /><br />.<br />"Most of our prison population is there because of the War on Drugs not because of violent crimes."<br /><br />The War on Drugs is a proxy war. Drug gangs pull in certain types of young men and give the police an easy way to convict them. Combined with something like a three strikes rules you get the desired effect of targeting a certain type of young man without saying you're targeting a certain kind of young man.<br /><br />However i do think the end result could be greatly improved if clever people with honest stats could argue about it honestly.<br /><br />If drugs were legalized the same young men would be in jail for street robberies and home invasions.<br /><br />.<br />"You must be the frailest most timid creature on the planet, Wandrin."<br /><br />lolz<br /><br />.Wandrinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31117816830409886142011-06-22T03:34:58.049-07:002011-06-22T03:34:58.049-07:00M.G Miles,
"And the huge population that all...M.G Miles,<br /><br />"And the huge population that allowed those four thousand years of urban selection...because of the better soil and clement conditions"<br /><br />And the presence of one of the great riverine valleys that the early civilizations were built on. Those agrarian states dominated well beyond their immediate hinterland. Europe didn't have one of those.<br /><br /><br />.<br />"What I'm curious about, which relates to your PCT theory, is how widely they were able to impose their genes on these settled (lower-PCT) peoples. My impression is it was much, much less than previously thought in certain places."<br /><br />Yes i see what you mean and i think you're probably right. The PCT effect of the conquest, if real, would be greatly diluted.<br /><br />However if they did impose their marriage culture that would have changed the base population in a different way by making them more clannish than they were before, and if the theory is right, then more clannish would also mean less co-operative than they were before the invasion hence possibly the gradual decline in those terriotories after the conquest.Wandrinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83117102058716274882011-06-22T03:22:49.622-07:002011-06-22T03:22:49.622-07:00NOTA
"Your description of the victory of lib...NOTA<br /><br />"Your description of the victory of liberal criminologists would be a lot more plausible, if it agreed at least minimally with the facts."<br /><br />Their victory is in acceptable public discourse. However they are totally wrong about everything and the majority of the population knows it hence the hypocritical slide to having ever more prisons while politely ignoring the genetic roots of the problem.Wandrinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18855804367962680452011-06-22T03:18:43.400-07:002011-06-22T03:18:43.400-07:00Anon,
"Transportation was based on the envir...Anon,<br /><br />"Transportation was based on the environmental, not genetic, hypthesis"<br /><br />The reason wouldn't matter if the two were connected in various ways, for example environment exposing the underlying traits e.g. a man with a predisposition to theft living in a small village with no anonymity may have that trait suppressed until he moves to a bigger town.<br /><br />As long as the end result is the frequency of criminal traits goes down the effect will be the same whatever the reason.<br /><br />.<br />"British crims were supposed to become good citizens of the Australian colonies. And it pretty much worked."<br /><br />I think one of the potentially criminal traits is daring. If you have a lot of actual poverty i.e. not enough food, then a lot of men who in other times might be cops will be criminals instead. Not all potentially criminal traits are bad in themselves imo.<br /><br />As to the rest 1) what was the death rate in the early colonies? 2) what was the hanging rate? 3) did the transportee settlements have much lower population densities? etc<br /><br />My guess is Britain shipped out a lot of their best (but poor) and worst to environments with a higher survival threshold. The best thrived and a lot of the worst died. The end result being a lower crime rate in England (despite the environment staying the same) and a lot of taller and healthier Australians.Wandrinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13818961291057097312011-06-22T01:22:55.263-07:002011-06-22T01:22:55.263-07:00Jody wrote"the IRA were one of the most intel...Jody wrote"the IRA were one of the most intelligent, most effective, least violent terrorist groups of all-time. instead of going for maximum human damage which would cause sentiment to swing against them in britain, they went for maximum economic damage to make it not worth britain's time or budget to continue to resist their agenda. and they achieved their political goals. they killed very few, while britain was busy killing them, and they still won."<br />I suppose you're one of those Irish-American sickos who paid for the IRA thru NORAID. Right now there's an inquiry going on into a typical IRA operation - the Kingsmill massacre. A van taking 11 workers home from a textile factory was stopped by IRA gunmen. The only Catholic worker was told to run away, and the 10 Protestants were shot dead. I hope you're proud of yourself and your NORAID comrades, Jody.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30878715846601562382011-06-21T14:55:38.468-07:002011-06-21T14:55:38.468-07:00jody - "ireland is dramatically less violent ...jody - <i>"ireland is dramatically less violent and more productive now than it was 100 years ago, and there are like 8 africans in the entire nation."</i><br /><br />In 2008 <a href="http://ukcommentators.blogspot.com/2008/02/shes-living-in-hibernian-world.html" rel="nofollow">one in seven</a> - about 14% - of the Republic's citizens were born abroad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61297719048488523082011-06-21T13:11:21.735-07:002011-06-21T13:11:21.735-07:00"European -- whether Holland, Australia, Utah..."European -- whether Holland, Australia, Utah, or Vermont -- blacks and non-whites in general have nothing to do with crime, being absent."<br /><br />The non-whites in Scandinavia commit almost all the violent rapes (as opposed to those more ambiguous situations); they are mostly refugees the politicians invited for some ungodly reason to make themselves feel better than everybody else in the world. I take it those politicians don't suffer the consequences; the average people do. Pakistanis and Africans. One 14 year old Norwegian girl recently committed suicide after being gang raped by 3 "non-western" Muslims. Well yeah. They would be "Muslims." I have heard hospitality is much esteemed among Arabs and middle-easterners in general. You'd think they would not violate so horrifically, the hospitality of their host countries. But they do. http://holgerawakens.blogspot.com/2011/06/14-year-old-norwegian-girl-commits.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6633646832778068192011-06-21T13:03:42.150-07:002011-06-21T13:03:42.150-07:00"ireland is dramatically less violent and mor..."ireland is dramatically less violent and more productive now than it was 100 years ago, and there are like 8 africans in the entire nation."<br /><br />What are your statistics for crime in Ireland 100 years ago (aside from political movements)? In a well known book about the mid-century famine, the author noted the low crime in Ireland (I think the English was compared and was higher but not sure), and the ability of someone to walk about, night or day, city or meadow, and be unmolested. At least unmolested by violent strangers.stats pleasenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2331601763830031722011-06-21T08:16:11.797-07:002011-06-21T08:16:11.797-07:00but maybe less than a population with a 100 averag...<i>but maybe less than a population with a 100 average IQ who've only had a thousand years worth.</i><br /><br />And the huge population that allowed those four thousand years of urban selection came about in clannic latitudes but not in northern ones, because of the better soil and clement conditions (two growing seasons per year in Nile valley, etc.)?<br /><br /><i>I wouldn't have thought so as long as they still get life sentences with no ability to breed...</i><br /><br />If sociopathy is one end of the scale (with unlimited out-group emathy at the other end, like <a href="http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2010/04/13/the-cure-for-race-realism-discovered-williams-syndrome/" rel="nofollow">Williams Syndrome</a>), I wonder if intense out-group emnity is <i>always</i> correlated with high aggression?<br /><br /><i>...when the Arabs conquered the lands of the Caliphate they imposed their culture</i><br /><br />They did to a certain extent, but it took a pretty long time in some places. What I'm curious about, which relates to your PCT theory, is how widely they were able to impose their <i>genes</i> on these settled (lower-PCT) peoples. My impression is it was much, much less than previously thought in certain places.<br /><br />Thanks for your responses.M.G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06817230141673953233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74010357216484588842011-06-21T08:14:33.281-07:002011-06-21T08:14:33.281-07:00"the IRA were one of the most intelligent, mo..."the IRA were one of the most intelligent, most effective... terrorist groups of all-time."<br /><br />Is that why Northern Ireland is still part of the United Kingdom?Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81713338032412824532011-06-21T08:11:03.054-07:002011-06-21T08:11:03.054-07:00"ireland is dramatically less violent and mor..."ireland is dramatically less violent and more productive now than it was 100 years ago, and there are like 8 africans in the entire nation. the idea that the presence of a higher violent crime rate group is the factor which reduces the violent crime rates of lower violent crime rate groups is a total bust."<br /><br />Not exactly, Sport. According to some of your peoples, Ireland has the highest population of Nigerians outside of Nigeria (don't quote me on that, this is from the preview page, and I can't open this brilliant, intellectual forum at work).<br /><br />www.stormfront.org/forum/t598047Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72748976679097108592011-06-21T07:28:23.103-07:002011-06-21T07:28:23.103-07:00Anon 6/20/11 7:09 PM:
Your description of the vic...Anon 6/20/11 7:09 PM:<br /><br />Your description of the victory of liberal criminologists would be a lot more plausible, if it agreed at least minimally with the facts.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.pewcenteronthestates.org/report_detail.aspx?id=35904" rel="nofollow">This Pew Center report</a> shows that since 1987, the number of people in prison has roughly tripled. Roughly one person in a hundred in the US is in jail, one way or another. <a href="http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions-year" rel="nofollow">This chart of executions per year in the US</a> similarly doesn't track so well with your story--it shows executions climbing from 1984 to 2000, and declining somewhat since then. <br /><br />In the last decade or so, much of the opposition to the death penalty has come from DNA tests that more-or-less proved people innocent who were sitting on death row. (This is really striking, since those guys are required to have had appeals courts look at their cases.)NOTAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82587487914898053962011-06-21T07:18:33.030-07:002011-06-21T07:18:33.030-07:00"I'd have thought you'd need pretty e..."I'd have thought you'd need pretty extreme selection pressures (like transportation) on rare-ish traits to make a big impact quickly."<br /><br />Transportation was based on the environmental, not genetic, hypthesis - British crims were supposed to become good citizens of the Australian colonies. And it pretty much worked. Not only is Oz quite lo-crime, but I gather a lot of the crime is in the hands of immigrant groups from continental Europe, not te good old convict stock.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59377079784764468262011-06-21T05:57:57.872-07:002011-06-21T05:57:57.872-07:00M. G Miles
"Would you say that's a likel...M. G Miles<br /><br />"Would you say that's a likely hypothesis?"<br /><br />Yes, i think evolution, including man-made evolution reacts to need.<br /><br />I think the actual equation for internal violence would be something like (PCT/R)*PD where PD is population density.<br /><br />So with ten-point scales, if you had 10/1 people living at a density of 1 e.g. nomadic pastoralists, then you have (10/1)*1 for a total score of 10.<br /><br />The same people living in a big city, (10/1)*10 would have a score of 100.<br /><br />The higher the total score the greater the need to do something about it and below a certain threshold there's no great need.<br /><br />Nomadic pastoralists don't have the need to do anything about it while they remain as nomads (nor if they come to other lands as a relatively small number of conquerors who take over as the elite).<br /><br />An example that might fit the theory would be the big jump in crime in England with the industrial revolution as the rural population moved into the cities followed by the equally dramatic long-term reduction caused(?) by transportation to Australia.<br /><br />A lot of the transportees would be decent but daring types reacting to actual poverty i.e. not having enough to eat, who once transported would thrive but England would also have got rid of a lot of its natural criminals who given their traits and the state of Australia at the time likely ended up as spider food.<br /><br />.<br />Another aspect of this is it hints at one of the reasons nomadic pastoralists are so often conquerors if/when they can ever combine forces long enough to invade somewhere.<br /><br />Another aspect specifically considering the Arabs is when the Mongols conquered China they became Chinese but when the Arabs conquered the lands of the Caliphate they imposed their culture on the originally much more advanced culture they'd conquered.<br /><br />Also i think low average IQ is a PCT trait because a lot of dim people don't seem to think ahead more than a few days. So after four thousand years of selection by execution a population with an average 85 IQ might still have a higher base violent crime rate than a population with a 100 IQ and the same four thousand years of urban evolution but maybe less than a population with a 100 average IQ who've only had a thousand years worth.<br /><br />.<br />"Second, do you think the recent human about-face on the death penalty (in some cultures) could be reversing that ancient weeding-out of sociopathy, and if so, how fast?"<br /><br />I wouldn't have thought so as long as they still get life sentences with no ability to breed but i'm no expert on how fast these things change under normal levels of selection pressure.<br /><br />I'd have thought you'd need pretty extreme selection pressures (like transportation) on rare-ish traits to make a big impact quickly.<br /><br />.Wandrinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4478933603545903552011-06-21T04:24:33.097-07:002011-06-21T04:24:33.097-07:00Wandrin, I've been studying the Arabs lately, ...<b>Wandrin</b>, I've been studying the Arabs lately, and thinking about your hypotheses. You talk about the effects of urbanization, and you've spoken before about the likelihood that those first settled farming tribal 'confederations' (like the Cucuteni group) were likely very violent at the first, until they weeded out the super-high outgroup-emnity people.<br /><br />I've been wondering, though, about nomadic herders (like Arabs til recently) vs.settled farming groups (like Cucuteni) vs. full-on cities (like ancient Sumeria, Thebes, etc., giant 50,000-strong urban centers).<br /><br />Your 'PCT' traits would seem, to me, to be the very strongest in nomadic herders, slightly less strong in Cucuteni groups (small sedentary tribal confederation), and weakest of all in big urban centers (loads of diff. ethnies in concact, even in ancient times). Would you say that's a likely hypothesis?<br /><br />Second, do you think the recent human about-face on the death penalty (in some cultures) could be reversing that ancient weeding-out of sociopathy, and if so, how fast?M.G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06817230141673953233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29525409915451054762011-06-21T04:14:13.378-07:002011-06-21T04:14:13.378-07:00Agnostic - if we are witnessing recurring 50-year ...Agnostic - if we are witnessing recurring 50-year crime sprees at 200-year intervals, on an international or even a global scale, then in a more fanciful moment I might wonder if we're at the mercy of some cyclical geological, climactic, atmospheric or even cosmic forces.martin hussingtreenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90811446393351239612011-06-21T03:25:53.181-07:002011-06-21T03:25:53.181-07:00svigor
"a huge share of the population REALLY...svigor<br />"a huge share of the population REALLY doesn't seem to like thinking about media power, or the people who wield it."<br /><br />"Maybe to avoid that alienation, and retain that sense of belonging, most people will do pretty much anything?"<br /><br />You may recall the Plato(?) story about people in a cave who were told by their priesthood there were monsters outside the cave and if they wanted to stay safe they should stay put.<br /><br />White people have been conditioned by the PC priesthood to believe ethno-centric thoughts lead to bad things so they consciously try to avoid thinking them.<br /><br />At the same time non-white people have been encouraged to think solely in terms of their ethnic identity.Wandrinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85589395423700946622011-06-21T03:04:19.617-07:002011-06-21T03:04:19.617-07:00agnostic
"That's what we need a deeper st...agnostic<br />"That's what we need a deeper study of, not the race and crime topic"<br /><br />If 12% of your population is responsible for 48% of your murders then if the aim is to reduce the number of victims the ONLY logical place to start looking is among that 12% group.<br /><br />Even more so if it turns out that half of that number of murders is committed by 10% of the say 20% of that 12% group who are young men then you have 24% of your murders committed by 0.24% of the population.<br /><br />In US terms that averages somewhere around 4000 a year for 50 years.<br /><br />200,000 people.<br /><br />That's what the media's Big Lie about crime has cost.Wandrinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88182366558010195152011-06-21T02:13:22.610-07:002011-06-21T02:13:22.610-07:00"Yet, there are a whole bunch of social scien..."Yet, there are a whole bunch of social sciences, such as criminology, that have simply faded out of interest for people like me."<br /><br />It's been nothing but blindingly obvious wishful thinking for decades (and they must know because they have to manipulate the stats in particular ways to obscure the truth).<br /><br />.<br />"And, the most obvious reasons for this are the same reasons as why, say, blacks are disproportionately represented playing defense in the NFL."<br /><br />I'd describe it as (PCT - R) where PCT is potential criminal traits (a collection of traits not all of them bad in all contexts) and R is restraint. Sportsmen are liable to be higher R than average because of the training required.<br /><br />(Counter intuitively rappers are the same for the same reason - they need to practise).<br /><br />But otherwise yes, if for the sake of example you say the PC traits are low empathy, low impulse control, high aggression and low forethought (related to low IQ imo) then most of them are helpful or neutral for certain sports.<br /><br />If you had an island to yourself and a population you wanted to homoform to perfection then you'd want to reduce most of those traits but keep aggression as it's good for drive as long as restraint is stronger. On a ten point scale you'd want your soldiers to be 10/10 and your average men to be something like 7/9 - enough aggression for a strong drive with a solid buffer of restraint.<br /><br />.<br />"suggests that the way to think about genetics and crime is to start with human nature and then look at what causes the switch for a particular trait to be flipped on or off."<br /><br />Urbanization and thousands of years of the death penalty selecting for reduced PCT and increased R. If the average started at 9/3 then after a few thousand years it might stabilize at 6/6.<br /><br />Those groups that have spent the longest in dense urbanized environments with very harsh criminal justice systems would have the lowest violent crime rate.<br /><br />Those groups that never went through that process would still be 9/3 and have a very high violent crime rate - although in theory they could eventually evolve out of it themselves if the body count got large enough.<br /><br />Alcohol shows that it's the interplay between PCT and restraint that matters. A drunk 9/9 is the same as a sober 9/3.Wandrinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40716842922332709352011-06-21T00:40:51.221-07:002011-06-21T00:40:51.221-07:00irish hooligans versus irish golf champions:
the v...irish hooligans versus irish golf champions:<br />the vancouver riot posts got me thinking about the general topic of violence levels in european nations. after easily and completely discrediting the idea of the "fist hierarchy" merely by looking at lots of nations around the world, i started to wonder, hey, what DID happen to those year 1890 irish hooligans? today you have an irish golfer winning the 2010 US open and then the next year another irish golfer totally dominating the 2011 US open to the point where he put in the best performance of all-time by a HUGE margin, obliterating the old record score of -12 with a score of -16. this is one of the cool things about golf over tennis or boxing or wrestling i suppose. at least there is a measured score, a number, with which to compare performance against performance, even if it is not quite as clear cut as track or swimming or weight lifting.<br /><br />ireland is dramatically less violent and more productive now than it was 100 years ago, and there are like 8 africans in the entire nation. the idea that the presence of a higher violent crime rate group is the factor which reduces the violent crime rates of lower violent crime rate groups is a total bust. so what changed in ireland which greatly reduced the violent crime rate while at the same time greatly increasing the per capita GDP? not only is the general violence level much lower, the IRA were one of the most intelligent, most effective, least violent terrorist groups of all-time. instead of going for maximum human damage which would cause sentiment to swing against them in britain, they went for maximum economic damage to make it not worth britain's time or budget to continue to resist their agenda. and they achieved their political goals. they killed very few, while britain was busy killing them, and they still won.<br /><br />contrast this with the english, who seem to have become more violent over the last 20 years, despite a growing african population. i've posted before about a dysgenic trend there, and the locals have a word for this. they call the violent underclass "chavs". chavs are generally worthless and many of them carry around knives and stab people. perhaps the sex pistols were the vanguard of the chav generation in england. or, consider the greeks. since when did they become riot prone? maybe i need to check my greek history over the previous 100 years but i'm under this impression the greeks were mostly laid back during that time frame. now suddenly, it's a genuinely serious riot every other year.jodynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58747799353809009772011-06-20T22:07:20.865-07:002011-06-20T22:07:20.865-07:00***unattractive personalities.***
Outrageous! Hav...***unattractive personalities.***<br /><br />Outrageous! Have you read <br /><a href="http://unamusementpark.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">Unamusement Park</a>?Josh Goldsteinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-817141140140901512011-06-20T22:05:00.868-07:002011-06-20T22:05:00.868-07:00Beaver
Race: Crime a Biosocial Analysis
Wright...Beaver <br /><br /><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=vgHgNsmZ3vsC&pg=PR10&lpg=PR10&dq='Race+%26+Crime:+A+Bio-social+analysis'+by+A+Walsh+(2004)&source=bl&ots=PCU09VWNma&sig=LESznW1pgVpeZDpM46EO66w-b-4&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false" rel="nofollow">Race: Crime a Biosocial Analysis</a> <br /><br />Wright <br /><br /><a href="http://books.google.com.br/books?id=PPiXCcch_msC&printsec=frontcover&dq=walsh+biosocial+criminology&source=bl&ots=jREO-z0XGO&sig=mb7g5lB3uC_3-ei08BdVipkAwsU&hl=pt-BR&ei=EMhNTLDEGo-suAfwtPHEDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Inconvenient&f=false" rel="nofollow">Inconvenient Truths: Science, Race, Crime</a>Josh Goldsteinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82910989379309788402011-06-20T20:18:06.136-07:002011-06-20T20:18:06.136-07:00While HBD people make valid points and definitely ...While HBD people make valid points and definitely worth considering, After riding your blog-roll, I now believe that the biggest problem with the HBD-sphere is that HBD'ers tend to be unattractive people: They are not only likely to be physically unattractive but also have unattractive personalities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com