tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post4956095198680849359..comments2024-03-19T02:31:02.140-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: White voters by religionUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger101125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46957219616057883562013-01-29T15:57:15.332-08:002013-01-29T15:57:15.332-08:00Mitt Romney was a BISHOP. Did you expect atheists ...Mitt Romney was a BISHOP. Did you expect atheists to vote for him? <br /><br /><br />Tom1980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70107352770846047252012-11-23T11:57:15.147-08:002012-11-23T11:57:15.147-08:00Racial and Religious Breakdown of the 2012 Vote in...<b><a href="http://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2012/11/23/racial-and-religious-breakdown-of-the-2012-vote-in-the-south/" rel="nofollow">Racial and Religious Breakdown of the 2012 Vote in The South</a></b>Hailhttp://hailtoyou.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76258210499224873372012-11-21T23:38:54.557-08:002012-11-21T23:38:54.557-08:00All those robber barons may have been a mixed bunc...All those robber barons may have been a mixed bunch... but their sons probably mostly were sent to Episcopal-Grottlesex type schools.<br /><br />Yes, the northeastern elite was Episcopal and/or post-Puritan... but what about the inland south? With the rise of the New South, did the business elite of the south come to be part of a Baptist-Methodist establishment?<br /><br />I always thought Baptists were down the social scale. Then I moved to Texas. In Dallas, that pastor Robert Jeffress who says intemperate things about Obama -- I assumed he was part of some hick church, but actually he preaches at one of the largest, richest churches in Dallas (First Baptist). Baylor, the Baptist flagship, is huge -- runs one of the biggest hospitals in Dallas. Even the true fundamentalists have Dallas Theological Seminary, which is huge.<br /><br />So: does the Baptist/Methodist character of the social elites in the biggest and fastest-growing cities of the high-fertility red states in the Sun Belt (Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Charlotte) have some impact on the culture and/or voting behavior of whites there, the same way that post-Puritan mental/cultural pathologies of the Greater New England elites have encouraged anti-White thinking and acting among whites up north?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88940998808629820742012-11-21T08:40:19.525-08:002012-11-21T08:40:19.525-08:00New York Times was founded by Henry Raymond and Ge...New York Times was founded by Henry Raymond and George Jones in 1851. <br /><br />Looks to be first a Whig, then a Republican paper.<br /><br />Raymond and Jones are Jewish names?<br /><br />goatweedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75986744911945790262012-11-20T20:24:19.868-08:002012-11-20T20:24:19.868-08:00"Truth said...
"All that said, allo..."Truth said...<br /><br /> "All that said, allow me to reiterate that Obama's not-insignificant decline in appeal to Jews from 2008 to 2012 remains a potentially important story that has gone almost unmentioned in all the touchdown dances in the media since the election."<br /><br /> I agree Steve, Barry's going to have a hard time getting re-elected in 2016."<br /><br />At the rate he's screwing up the country, even with the Media, Academia and Hollywood supporting him, he'll be doing well not to get impeached before the end of his term.Potato Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21618391762019671922012-11-20T20:10:18.841-08:002012-11-20T20:10:18.841-08:00I'll tell you what's a good indicator of n...I'll tell you what's a good indicator of not being in the "top 2% of the IQ distribution": capitalizing professor when you shouldn't have, using an article in front of a proper name as in "the Steve", and misspelling an incredibly simple word such as "academy."<br /><br /><br />Not if English is not my first lnguage. How well would you do in French?<br /><br />In any case, there's five million or so Americans with an IQ of over 130 and the two groups that your name are at most numbered in the thousands, and what's worse is that they're a very self-selected and unrepresentative sample.<br /><br />You could also use NBA players as a proxy for everyone who's over 6'5" to conclude that all extremely tall people are wealthy, and it would make about as much sense.<br /><br />Fallacious. Height is a small factor in the selection of NBA players. IQ is a large factor in the selection of NAS members and Ivy League professors.<br /><br />Graduate students in the sciences and engineering from top 20 programs; physicists; Jews (average IQ 112 - much higher percentage of people above 130).<br /><br />You have not made a case for Republicans winning this group at all. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57405334667844453742012-11-20T19:39:49.266-08:002012-11-20T19:39:49.266-08:00" Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hit the gy..." Anonymous Anonymous said...<br /><br /> Hit the gym some time in a white neighborhood. You'll get to some wieners, and maybe you can bulk up and get yourself a woman.<br /><br /> But don't look at those wieners too long, or you may end up losing interest in women."<br /><br />Maybe Truth had a point about some of you guys.....Kevin Koolnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32484278027900364062012-11-20T18:27:19.544-08:002012-11-20T18:27:19.544-08:00Other Religion wrote:
Is there any breakdowns or o...<b>Other Religion wrote:</b><br /><i>Is there any breakdowns or other data on these other religions? [...] The 51% pro-Romney figure seems a little high.</i>"<br /><br />In the Northeast, <a href="http://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/racial-and-religious-breakdown-of-the-2012-vote-in-the-northeast/" rel="nofollow">"Other Religions" voted for Romney about as much as Jews</a> did.<br /><br />Northeast-Jews: 29% for Romney<br />White-"Other-Rel.": 32% for Romney<br />White-Protestants: 54% for RomneyHailhttp://hailtoyou.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14864626463919219102012-11-20T16:31:42.663-08:002012-11-20T16:31:42.663-08:00Hit the gym some time in a white neighborhood. You...<i>Hit the gym some time in a white neighborhood. You'll get to some wieners, and maybe you can bulk up and get yourself a woman.</i><br /><br />But don't look at those wieners too long, or you may end up losing interest in women.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91505395136693751972012-11-20T16:24:00.178-08:002012-11-20T16:24:00.178-08:00Other Religion 51%
Is there any breakdowns or o...<i>Other Religion 51%</i><br /><br />Is there any breakdowns or other data on these other religions? I would think this category would consist of the following groups, in approximate order of population:<br /><br />1) Orthodox Christian - Greek, Russian, Armenian, Maronite, Coptic (whould they consider themselves white?)<br /><br />2) Other Christians not in the major three groups, including self-identified Christians not affiliated with a church.<br /><br />3) White people who consider themselves spiritual but not part of any organized religion, not even generic non-denominational Christianity.<br /><br />4) White people in Eastern and "traditionally non-white" religions. This would include Islam whether based on ethnicity (Albanian, Bosnian) or conversion among Christian-backgrounded whites.<br /><br />5) Scientologists and members of other cults not connected to Christianity. This obviously excludes Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Scientists, etc.<br /><br />6) Neo-pagans, New Agers, and the like. Despite the paranoia of the Christian Right, this group is surprisingly small in both numbers and political power.<br /><br />7) Other<br /><br />8) Satanists. I just had to include this before someone else did. Point number 6 applies here even more. There are less than 10,000 self-proclaimed Satanists in America.<br /><br />With the possible exception of groups 2 and 3, most of these are pro-Democrat. Orthodox Christians are mostly like Catholics politically, excluding Republican immigrants from the former Soviet bloc. The 51% pro-Romney figure seems a little high.Other Religionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53848566169114086572012-11-20T15:14:56.747-08:002012-11-20T15:14:56.747-08:00The pandering the Republicans do is for the Christ...The pandering the Republicans do is for the Christian Zionist vote and the Sheldon Adelson $$, not for Jewish votes.Dutch Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687679491743923216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15836961481163568932012-11-20T12:13:13.768-08:002012-11-20T12:13:13.768-08:00Re: Robber barons and episcopalianism
Looking at ...Re: Robber barons and episcopalianism<br /><br />Looking at robber barons skews the picture - many of the robber barons were not from the elite originally and shoved their way in through various shady means - Jim Fiske was a country peddler turned stock manipulator, Astor was an immigrant fur trader, Drew was a cattle driver, etc. <br /><br />The robber barons who were born prosperous and got extremely rich (Cooke, Morgan, Mellon) were Episcopalian. <br /><br />A better metric for elite religion in the gilded age would be to look at the top 2000 law firm partners and bankers circa 1880 - that list would have very many Episcopalians.el supremonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76845638518366707972012-11-20T11:57:32.909-08:002012-11-20T11:57:32.909-08:00It's more likely some Jewish voters were turne...It's more likely some Jewish voters were turned off not by Obama himself, but by his emerging coalition. Dislike of Israel (and, to a lesser extent, Jews) is probably one of the few things much of that coalition has in common. <br /><br />Now, it's true that opposing Israel doesn't necessarily make someone anti-Jew, but in reality, the two views correlate pretty closely. In fact, most of those who oppose Israel but claim not to hate Jews are atheist, leftist, ethnic Jews themselves. Other groups (uneducated blacks, for example) don't do nuance so well.<br /><br />The only reason the Democrats are still nominally pro-Israel is the lingering influence of elite Jews and old-school liberals in the party (liberals supported Israel until about the Six Day War in the late 1960s; same with blacks, who then allied themselves with anti-Western Muslims). But as the <a href="http://youtu.be/l2sWTwbzAcw" rel="nofollow">this awkward moment at the DNC</a> demonstrated, there's not much love for Israel among the Dem base. <br /><br />In contrast, a large part of the GOP base is Evangelicals who love Jews and Israel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67752924551573669942012-11-20T11:57:12.513-08:002012-11-20T11:57:12.513-08:00"It would be interesting to run this analysis..."<i>It would be interesting to run this analysis limited to one region or one state, to offset the effects of regionalism. </i>"<br /><br />It's done:<br /><b><a href="http://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/racial-and-religious-breakdown-of-the-2012-vote-in-the-northeast/" rel="nofollow">Racial and Religious Breakdown of the 2012 Vote in the Northeast</a></b>Hailhttp://hailtoyou.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7805713096750466222012-11-20T10:58:13.719-08:002012-11-20T10:58:13.719-08:00"All that said, allow me to reiterate that Ob..."All that said, allow me to reiterate that Obama's not-insignificant decline in appeal to Jews from 2008 to 2012 remains a potentially important story that has gone almost unmentioned in all the touchdown dances in the media since the election."<br /><br />I agree Steve, Barry's going to have a hard time getting re-elected in 2016.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82236202100016052732012-11-20T10:36:02.036-08:002012-11-20T10:36:02.036-08:00"Christians also, as a group, reject the prac..."Christians also, as a group, reject the practice of making one's living by stealing, which is the foundation of the modern corporatist, money-printing thief state."<br /><br />But unfortunately the most devoted Christians (and Mormons), as a group, spend all their money on overseas missions and agitating for open borders to import the entire third world. I don't think there is a single branch of Christianity that has remained untouched by these tendencies. <br /><br />The most sensible group in regards to immigration is probably the white middle class who "attends church a few times a year" crowd. That sort of pattern is probably a proxy for normal behavior and common sense, whereas the extremes of religiosity and atheism attract idealistic zealots.Anonyianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77512687767363841222012-11-20T10:34:43.895-08:002012-11-20T10:34:43.895-08:00The gap between Episcopalians and Jews (the least ...<i>The gap between Episcopalians and Jews (the least GOP White group) is 21%, while the gap between Episcopalians and Baptists (the most GOP White group) is 24%. On that basis, it certainly seems appropriate to group the Episcopalians with the Jews.</i> <br /><br /><br />Damn, that's a stupid remark. Unless you really think that Jews are the yardstick by which all other people are to be measured? I've noticed before that the anti-Jewish faction bears a striking similarity in some respects to the Jewish-supremacist faction.<br /><br />What matters is whether a group of people is left (as Jews unquestionably are) or right.Severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9377979766115427252012-11-20T10:26:43.696-08:002012-11-20T10:26:43.696-08:00Because most American Catholics are clustered into...<i>Because most American Catholics are clustered into crowded, child-unfriendly Northeastern cities ..</i> <br /><br /><br />This wasn't true in 1900. It's even less so in 2012. Most white Catholics live in the Republican party heartland known as "Suburbia", and vote accordingly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65798668387983367882012-11-20T10:12:42.427-08:002012-11-20T10:12:42.427-08:00"National Acedemy of Science, Ivy League Prof..."National Acedemy of Science, Ivy League Professors - these are great proxies for 130+ IQ. They vote Demcrat, but they are not part of the Steve's New Theory.<br /><br />There is no case to make whatsoever that the top 2% of the IQ distribution votes for the Republican party."<br /><br />I'll tell you what's a good indicator of <b>not</b> being in the "top 2% of the IQ distribution": capitalizing professor when you shouldn't have, using an article in front of a proper name as in "the Steve", and misspelling an incredibly simple word such as "academy."<br /><br />In any case, there's five million or so Americans with an IQ of over 130 and the two groups that your name are <i>at most</i> numbered in the thousands, and what's worse is that they're a very self-selected and unrepresentative sample.<br /><br />You could also use NBA players as a proxy for everyone who's over 6'5" to conclude that all extremely tall people are wealthy, and it would make about as much sense.Bob Arctornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73878867125025398052012-11-20T09:58:33.357-08:002012-11-20T09:58:33.357-08:00After all the pandering the GOP has done, rear end...<i>After all the pandering the GOP has done, rear end kissing, promoting Israel's security over their own, and itching to bomb Iran, they barely managed 30% of the Jewish vote.<br /><br />And to do that they had to nominate a guy who alienated much of his base, and a guy who did not appeal to those crucial swing state white votes because of his ties to Wall Street, which is a bastion of Jewish power and influence.<br /><br />Just think what their share of the Jewish vote would have been if they had nominated someone who appealed to their base and did not tout the invade-the-world, invite-the-world, in-hock-to-the-world mantra. </i> <br /> <br /><br /><br />Let's set aside for the moment the fact that Romney is not in fact a member of the "invade-the-world, invite-the-world, in-hock-to-the-world" gang, while Obama very much is.<br /><br />Who is this shadowy "they" you are so furious at? Close to twenty million Republicans from all fifty states participated in the primary process. They can't <i>all</i> have been part of some evil cabal of Wall Street Jews.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39653503025164196652012-11-20T09:14:48.860-08:002012-11-20T09:14:48.860-08:00If we look at married Jewish males, the percentage...If we look at married Jewish males, the percentage was something like 40%, same as for Eisenhower. So the decline is among the usual suspects - female and unmarried. The GOP doesn't have to figure out how to get Jews to vote for them (or any other ethnic group) - what they need is to figure out how to capture single women (and yet without promising them more Obamaphones than the other side). I say that's impossible - singe women are the gimmedat party. They love being married to Uncle Sam. He's a much better provider than the lowlife scum that they usually wind up with. <br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5657860541361881102012-11-20T09:12:07.043-08:002012-11-20T09:12:07.043-08:00Episcopalianism is still pretty big in the South. ...Episcopalianism is still pretty big in the South. It just doesn't get as much attention as the South's evangelicalism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38445873519134825592012-11-20T08:50:12.578-08:002012-11-20T08:50:12.578-08:00The core is rural and maybe suburban. In the great...The core is rural and maybe suburban. In the great American cities, this core does not exist - or is invisible. I always get a kick out of seeing a 45-year old graybeard white guy pushing around an infant in a stroller - consequence of marrying late, having kids late, or having a second marriage - an artifact of American cultural collapse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91415532301956890992012-11-20T08:30:19.928-08:002012-11-20T08:30:19.928-08:00Some data on Catholic (all races) GOP presidential...Some data on Catholic (all races) GOP presidential voting via Gallup:<br />1952 44%<br />1956 49 <br />1960 22 <br />1964 24 <br />1968 33 <br />1972 52 <br />1976 41 <br />1980 47 <br />1984 61 <br />1988 49 <br />1992 35 <br />1996 35 <br />2000 46 <br />2004 48 <br />2008 47 <br /><br />Forgot to mention that the percentages were for the GOP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32430380575307653002012-11-20T08:29:36.210-08:002012-11-20T08:29:36.210-08:00@ Steve Sailer "So, you need an explanation o...@ Steve Sailer "So, you need an explanation of how Episcopalianism went from a Southeastern religion to a more Northeastern one."<br /><br />There are two parts - one is the transition of the south to other denominations. The settlement of the "old southwest" in the mid 19th century (Alabama, Tennessee, etc) coincided with the 2nd Great awakening. The population that moved west and settled the interior was also more likely to be part of the Baptists or other revivalist groups. The tidewater elite that stayed in Charleston or Richmond was more likely to be Episcopalian. This is part of a broader story of the displacement of Tidewater elite southern culture by the inland southern culture before the civil war as the interior was settled and the cotton boom brought huge amounts of money and power to the interior. (The tidewater grew relatively poorer as tobacco farming exhausted the soil and the prices for the two crops diverged.) <br /><br />Even today S. Carolina has a large Episcopal diocese (currently feuding with the central church over the theological laxness of the main episcopal church)<br /><br />The other half of the story is the rise of episcopalianism as the religion of the northeastern elites in the hundred years from the civil war to the 1960's, which I am less familiar with. el supremonoreply@blogger.com