tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post5140300339280674260..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Now I finally get itUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25588041411618893012010-05-27T07:17:45.112-07:002010-05-27T07:17:45.112-07:00That could be done with replacement of the current...<i>That could be done with replacement of the current population or with eugenics over several generations.</i> <br /><br />Lately Komment Kontrol has frowned on me trying to make this point, but my gut instinct is that - all other things being equal - it takes roughly 1000 years to breed a single points' worth of average IQ increase into a population.<br /><br />Furthermore, that's a best case scenario - it's entirely possible that populations could persist for tens thousands of years with no increase in IQ, and even with steady declines in IQ.<br /><br />Intelligence is just EXCEEDINGLY RARE in human history - we are misled into believing that intelligence is predominant because only intelligent people leave behind records of themselves.<br /><br />[From the historian's perspective, it's sort of like survivorship bias - except that most historians don't seem to realize this.]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9423163238215477422010-05-26T20:29:14.796-07:002010-05-26T20:29:14.796-07:00The only thing that could help Detroit is to get a...The only thing that could help Detroit is to get a better quality of people living there. That could be done with replacement of the current population or with eugenics over several generations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81803205693257103122010-05-26T07:19:19.297-07:002010-05-26T07:19:19.297-07:00... if GM could be bailed out, why not the city of...<i> ... if GM could be bailed out, why not the city of Detroit? Perhaps you might consider checking it out and giving your thoughts on the matter. Thanks.<br /><br /></i><br /><br />GM's non fleet sales market share is still deteriorating, and GM's UAW pension problems haven't actually been fixed.<br /><br />In short, Gooberment Motors is living on welfare life support.David Davenportnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8822358941719841992010-05-25T21:40:25.471-07:002010-05-25T21:40:25.471-07:00BTW whatever happened to the supposedly 'white...BTW whatever happened to the supposedly 'white' teachers who had their 8 year old charges celebrate OJ, RuPaul, and Rodman during black history (tm) month? That story was memory holed, but if the teachers really were white, a couple of burnt out 'Teach for America' kids were probably the culprits.stari_momaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57543972822690821592010-05-25T12:25:57.468-07:002010-05-25T12:25:57.468-07:00>Wasn't Park Slope at one time an Irish/Ita...>Wasn't Park Slope at one time an Irish/Italian blue collar enclave?<<br /><br />Significant gentrification took place there as recently as the 1990s.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85429436646093198902010-05-25T02:57:20.245-07:002010-05-25T02:57:20.245-07:00Wouldn't Occam's razor, as supplemented by...Wouldn't Occam's razor, as supplemented by the fighter pilot's decision sequence say that teachers are just the latest 'factor' to blame. We tried desegregation, and that didn't work, we tried more money, and that didn't work, we tried 'afrocentric curricula' and that didnt' work, well, let's try blaming the teachers.stari_momaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49789828212350013962010-05-24T23:19:55.553-07:002010-05-24T23:19:55.553-07:00Wasn't Park Slope at one time an Irish/Italian...Wasn't Park Slope at one time an Irish/Italian blue collar enclave?Briannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81800167756269046892010-05-24T23:18:41.051-07:002010-05-24T23:18:41.051-07:00Big bill said...
Toadal, those $25k (I heard ...<i> Big bill said...<br /><br /> Toadal, those $25k (I heard $28k) DC school figures are the cost of EVERYTHING: paper, snowshoveling, pensions, lunch ladies, new roof, everything. </i><br /><br /> Sorry for the slowness of the reply ... <br /><br /> Andrew J. Coulson of the Cato Institute gives a pretty good analysis and account of Washington DC public school spending, however, if you have some public spending budgetary insight I lack and he ignores, please check the link below and reply. <br /><br /> <i> The latest available version of the 2007-08 local operating budget for DC (.xls file) can be found on the website of the DC Fiscal Policy Institute. <a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/04/07/the-real-cost-of-public-schools/" rel="nofollow"> The relevant line items </a> for our purposes are:<br /><br />DC Public Schools: $806,251,000<br />Teachers’ Retirement System: $6,000,000<br />“State” Education Office: $28,753,000<br />Department of Education: $2,367,000<br /><br />Before summing these up to get the local operating subtotal, we have to subtract inapplicable funds from the “State” Education Office item. About $5 million of that funding is for higher education programs, and the agency’s k-12 services cover charter schools as well as district schools. To account for this, I first subtract the $5 million and then pro-rate the remaining balance based on district schools’ share of local public school enrollment (.707), for an adjusted SEO value of $16.8 million. That brings the total local operating budget for district schools to: $831.4 million. [Note that the SEO was recently reorganized and renamed “the Office of the State Superintendent of Education,” but while some responsibilities have shifted from the district level to the new OSSE, bringing their funding with them, this reorganization does not change the overall combined operating budget for the two entities.]</i>Toadalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02710674512538267656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46803109843048091292010-05-24T19:47:25.156-07:002010-05-24T19:47:25.156-07:00Y'all probably know this Onion classic already...Y'all probably know this Onion classic already, but if not ...<br /><br />http://onion.com/ccM9jORay Sawhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02434181069400646328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67183021430632737662010-05-24T19:13:43.887-07:002010-05-24T19:13:43.887-07:00These whites are feeling guilty. They want to suff...<b>These whites are feeling guilty. They want to suffer and sacrifice.</b><br /><br />They like the idea of sacrifice. They never do it themselves. They rig it so other whites make sacrifices to assuge their guilt.lnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83882797850400778942010-05-24T18:16:52.127-07:002010-05-24T18:16:52.127-07:00What I would like to ask you is this, since you br...<i>What I would like to ask you is this, since you brought up Motown - what do you propose be done there to turn things around? To date, I cannot recall you writing about this issue and your take on what needs to be done.</i><br /><br />I dont know what would Steve would say but I suspect all the allowable solutions - like a bail out - are futile.<br /><br />The solutions which would work for Detroit are off the table.<br /><br />And what is 'Detroit', a collection of buildings and/or the people within?<br /><br />A major part of the problem is the people within, no easy fixes in sight there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1463144185411962172010-05-24T13:24:24.524-07:002010-05-24T13:24:24.524-07:00Garland, there is life beyond Park Slope. I moved ...Garland, there is life beyond Park Slope. I moved from there to the South. Stay sane and don't hurt yourself, y'hear?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88936962352093245922010-05-24T12:57:38.572-07:002010-05-24T12:57:38.572-07:00I went to school with a S.F. rich kid who eschewed...I went to school with a S.F. rich kid who eschewed law practice for teaching public middle school. But Daly City isn't Detroit, or even Oakland.alonzo portfolionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62546514617687616292010-05-24T11:46:12.464-07:002010-05-24T11:46:12.464-07:00I doubt if very many people actually think that ha...I doubt if very many people actually think that having wealthy, young and privileged white persons teach ghetto blacks will do much for those kids. That's not the point.<br /><br />These whites are feeling guilty. They want to suffer and sacrifice. <br /><br />"God so loved the world that he gave his only son...". They want to be Christlike.<br /><br />Jerry Brown - running for Governor again - knows about this sort of thing. Do you think that he went to India and cleaned bed pans so as to improve South Asian hygiene? Do you think he made an impact on the Indian "poopy pants" problem?<br /><br />Wasting your time in ghetto schools is an indulgence of the teacher not a service to the students.<br /><br />- AlbertosaurusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53393503878555545052010-05-24T10:14:19.658-07:002010-05-24T10:14:19.658-07:00This topic would be incomplete without remembering...This topic would be incomplete without remembering <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/1998/11/11/nyregion/jurors-convict-youth-in-killing-of-his-teacher.html" rel="nofollow"> Jonathan M. Levin </a>. RIP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56936571547561188812010-05-24T08:04:19.477-07:002010-05-24T08:04:19.477-07:00Steve,
Interesting take on things, and informs me ...Steve,<br />Interesting take on things, and informs me on another aspect of the never ending status war among Whites that I hadn't considered previously. But that's another post/comment for another time. <br /><br />What I would like to ask you is this, since you brought up Motown - what do you propose be done there to turn things around? To date, I cannot recall you writing about this issue and your take on what needs to be done. <br /><br />I just got finished watching a Bloggingheads conversation between Brown U economics profs Glenn Loury and Ross Levine, who took up the question - if GM could be bailed out, why not the city of Detroit? Perhaps you might consider checking it out and giving your thoughts on the matter. Thanks.<br /><br />O.Obsidiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25450957577206547882010-05-24T07:25:02.400-07:002010-05-24T07:25:02.400-07:00I have long believed the ruling class is shameless...I have long believed the ruling class is shameless and getting worse. But this may be an exception. The primary contact the responsible drones have with the state is the school system. And the primary way the state controls and influences these people is the school system. If the school system is highly disfunctional it embarrasses and harms the credibility of the state. It has to work at least somewhat. <br /><br />Doug1 points out that the job of the unions is to protect older incompetents. I suspect teaching is, for most, a job with a high burnout factor and not something you can do well for 40 years. But unions are there for 20 to 40 year careers, not 2 or 3 year learning experiences. <br /><br />As we have seen from the guy who got arrested in DC, the whole Ivy League goes to the inner city thing is undoable. Inner city schools have a way of functioning, sort of, because the lower middle-class minority teachers understand and can deal with their charges. Black kids are not going to listen to an upper middle-class white teacher.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43369913690595518352010-05-24T06:14:16.248-07:002010-05-24T06:14:16.248-07:00Well, partly.
Hopefully it was the part about co...<i>Well, partly.</i> <br /><br />Hopefully it was the part about committing suicide.<br /><br />Dude - don't joke about stuff like that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29416609785864368052010-05-24T06:12:03.412-07:002010-05-24T06:12:03.412-07:00Toadal, those $25k (I heard $28k) DC school figure...<i>Toadal, those $25k (I heard $28k) DC school figures are the cost of EVERYTHING: paper, snowshoveling, pensions, lunch ladies, new roof, everything.</i> <br /><br />I think that's kinda the point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77682810096351214762010-05-24T06:09:38.720-07:002010-05-24T06:09:38.720-07:00Still an improvement.
Yeah, that's what I wa...<i>Still an improvement.</i> <br /><br />Yeah, that's what I was thinking, as well.<br /><br />If somehow* we could work our way back to Jim-Crow-era norms of behavior, and flip the black illegitimacy/legitimacy rate from 75%/25% down to 25%/75%, then that alone would have a monumentally beneficial impact for our society.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br />*If pigs could fly, and whatnot...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42604055315558017632010-05-24T05:54:56.207-07:002010-05-24T05:54:56.207-07:00Rich kids can't possibly be 25 times as likely...<i>Rich kids can't possibly be 25 times as likely to be smart as poor kids</i> <br /><br />Uhh, I think that's PRECISELY the point of HBD "theory", the Central Limit Theorem, and the exponential [& square!] decay of a Gaussian.<br /><br />When you're off by a standard deviation or more [i.e. two or three or four standard deviations], the rich kids most certain CAN be 25 times as likely to be smart as the poor kids.<br /><br />Heck, just off the top of my head, I bet that the factor is VASTLY greater than 25 [almost certainly greater than 250 or even 2500] when e.g. comparing the children in Manhattan who grow up below 110th Street [opposite Central Park] with the children who grow up above 110th Street [in Harlem - or whatever <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlem#Location_and_boundaries" rel="nofollow">the modern boundaries of Harlem</a> amount to].Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73669288134236664542010-05-24T05:24:30.090-07:002010-05-24T05:24:30.090-07:00So the typical outcome is someone who is a hardcor...<i>So the typical outcome is someone who is a hardcore blank slatist and Close the Gap worshiper, but who aims to square the circle by drill sergeant methods rather than by having them chant "I Am Lovable And Capable."</i><br /><br />Still an improvement.Nicholas Hellermailto:heller.nicholas@yahoo.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3254554626558835142010-05-24T03:35:11.250-07:002010-05-24T03:35:11.250-07:00And here I thought that current teachers weren'...And here I thought that current teachers weren't doing a good job because we don't pay them enough.<br /><br />Memo to coffeehouse intellectuals/trust fund layabouts: Teaching jobs are available. You might have to teach for a couple of years in a crummy white suburban school before you can get a coveted ghetto school position. Just look at that prospect as "paying your dues."lnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24307405851943873312010-05-24T02:39:43.085-07:002010-05-24T02:39:43.085-07:00"This is a joke, right?"
Well, partly...."This is a joke, right?" <br /><br />Well, partly.<br /><br />"Their political views would become stronger to the left,"<br /><br />Agreed.Garlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03453366944819816207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80333627865328502132010-05-24T02:19:47.972-07:002010-05-24T02:19:47.972-07:00"I've always wondered why experienced soc...<i>"I've always wondered why experienced social workers are such right wing fanatics. Thanks for clearing that up."</i><br /><br />How many veteran social workers have you known? The ones I've known have shifted their political views to the right -- not to the point where they are "right wing fanatics", but further to the right than where they started. The typical progression seems to be liberal Dem to centrist Dem.Frednoreply@blogger.com