tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post5172728455145149714..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: NYT: Minnesota ends, Somalis hardest hitUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77908564193088477472013-12-20T07:40:52.348-08:002013-12-20T07:40:52.348-08:00A month or so ago, Steve had a post on an old News...A month or so ago, Steve had a post on an old Newsweek article from the early 70s about Minnesota, and how it defied the trends of decay and malaise that seemed to be settling in on other parts of the country. I wonder what the people of Minnesota who were interviewed for that article would think of today's Minneapolis?Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58386090091840125632013-12-19T22:02:18.960-08:002013-12-19T22:02:18.960-08:00Bernard Rothmann wrote: "Uh, no. Zwingli dete...Bernard Rothmann wrote: "Uh, no. Zwingli detested Anabaptists just as much as Luther did. In any event, what reason is there to think that Joseph Smith or Brigham Young were actually influenced by Münster-style Anabaptism? The overlap of polygamy could just as well be a sign that they all read the same Old Testament."<br /><br />I did not write that Zwingli and the Anabaptists shared all views in common; that's why I used the word "or," a disjunctive. There are, broadly, three branches of the Reformation: Lutheran, the most conservative and sacramental in its emphasis; Calvinism, more austere and less sacramental, still practising infant baptism, believing in predestination and election; and the rest, including both Anabaptism and Zwinglianism, rejecting sacramentalism generally, rejecting the sacramental element in baptism in particular, regarding it as a covenant with God - therefore not entirely rejecting free will. <br /><br />Zwingli rejected re-baptism (the hallmark of the earliest Anabaptists) - but shared with them a common rejection of sacramentalism. This point of view represented the extreme left wing of the Reformation.<br /><br />American Baptists treated baptism as a covenant rather than a sacrament, therefore baptizing only those of sufficient age to understand the covenant upon which they were embarking, and hence rejected Calvinism's rigorous predestination, embracing free will. For this, Roger Williams was exiled from Massachusetts to Rhode Island, which Cotton Mather described as "the fag end of civilisation." Baptists belong to the same extreme left wing of Reformed Christianity as Zwingli and the Anabaptists, despite their differences on other points.<br /><br />Mormonism originated as a further heterodoxy amongst this group, as did Seventh-Day Adventism, Pentecostalism, snake-handling sects, etc. If there is a really very close match to John of Leyden, it's probably David Koresh, rather than Joseph Smith or Brigham Young. The Branch Davidians are a splinter of Seventh-Day Adventism, and of course Koresh ended as disastrously as John of Leyden. But he shared with Smith and Young (and Warren Jeffs) the same sort of convenient doctrinal invention that allowed him to justify having multiple wives. <br /><br />Is there a direct connection between the Mormons and John of Leyden? Probably no more than there is between them and the Valentinian heresy, or with elements of the thinking of Giordano Bruno. Who knows whist underground rivers connect them? All we can say is that there is nonetheless a resemblance.mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18356401051467020512013-12-19T21:41:02.773-08:002013-12-19T21:41:02.773-08:00It's "Down" not "Downs".It's "Down" not "Downs".paleopaleonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69676383508276515492013-12-19T19:37:01.057-08:002013-12-19T19:37:01.057-08:00Is Somali poetry only oral like def poetry?
More ...<i>Is Somali poetry only oral like def poetry?</i><br /><br />More importantly does it sound like Def Leppard music?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23191903054848429642013-12-19T16:14:06.854-08:002013-12-19T16:14:06.854-08:00“Autism is silencing the kids of a nation of poets...<i>“Autism is silencing the kids of a nation of poets,”</i><br /><br />Can't they still write it out? I thought poetry existed in written form. Is Somali poetry only oral like def poetry?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10154184285493846992013-12-19T15:44:20.598-08:002013-12-19T15:44:20.598-08:00Neither Khalif nor his wife (who was given a thime...<i>Neither Khalif nor his wife (who was given a thimerosal-containing flu shot while pregnant, even though the label instructed the doctor to administer the shot during pregnancy, "only when medically necessary"), had ever heard of autism until the day their son was diagnosed.</i><br /><br />Good point!! The medical establishment is shamefully taking advantage of immigrants.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51370709144918779662013-12-19T13:16:32.286-08:002013-12-19T13:16:32.286-08:00Many parents told me the same story of regression ...Many parents told me the same story of regression I have heard a thousand times before.<br /><br />"He met all the normal milestones until he hit 18 months," lamented Abdulkadir Khalif, speaking of his three-year-old son with autism. "He was a beautiful baby, running around, saying a few words, until about the winter of 2006, right when he got his MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) shot. He got sick and we went to the hospital, and he stopped talking immediately around that time."<br /><br />"Do I know it was the vaccines?" Khalif asks. "All I know is he stopped talking right around the time of those shots."<br /><br />Neither Khalif nor his wife (who was given a thimerosal-containing flu shot while pregnant, even though the label instructed the doctor to administer the shot during pregnancy, "only when medically necessary"), had ever heard of autism until the day their son was diagnosed.<br /><br />Khalif says, it is "not possible" that autism could be this common in Somalia. "I've been living with it on a daily basis, with my own child. And I lived in Somalia and Kenya for a long time. If it was this common, we would have had a name for it, and we don't. That tells me it does not exist."<br /><br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/minneapolis-and-the-somal_b_143967.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40127105822023495472013-12-19T12:36:07.836-08:002013-12-19T12:36:07.836-08:00Historically, Mormonism derives from the Zwinglian...<i>Historically, Mormonism derives from the Zwinglian or Anabaptist strain of Reformed Christianity; Joseph Smith and Brigham Young somewhat resembled John of Leyden (especially in respect of their polygamy), but with the exception that they succeeded where John of Leyden failed.</i><br /><br />Uh, no. Zwingli detested Anabaptists just as much as Luther did. In any event, what reason is there to think that Joseph Smith or Brigham Young were actually influenced by Münster-style Anabaptism? The overlap of polygamy could just as well be a sign that they all read the same Old Testament.Bernard Rothmannnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59952392029007801832013-12-19T11:39:26.948-08:002013-12-19T11:39:26.948-08:00Any chance the white Minnesota autism rate is due ...Any chance the white Minnesota autism rate is due to parents having children later in life?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021896242550645042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88422932496402782632013-12-19T09:54:28.622-08:002013-12-19T09:54:28.622-08:00" Wasn't Minnesota getting along just fin..." Wasn't Minnesota getting along just fine without them? How are Somalis making life better for the people there?"<br /><br />You ask the wrong questions. The right question: how many 100s of thousands or millions a head could they pay them to stay in Somalia and have it still be cheaper than the welfare/ward costs plus quality of life for natives compensation (considering the present value of money against the future cost of their descendants as well)?Jonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60096308241893794222013-12-19T08:47:16.059-08:002013-12-19T08:47:16.059-08:00“Autism is silencing the kids of a nation of poets...“Autism is silencing the kids of a nation of poets,” continued Ms. Abdull, who has spoken about the issue at the United Nations.<br /><br />Groan....Bill in Englandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19828177183526921312013-12-19T08:44:12.163-08:002013-12-19T08:44:12.163-08:00Why so many Somalis in Minneapolis?<a href="http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2011/01/21/why-so-many-somalis-in-minneapolis/" rel="nofollow">Why so many Somalis in Minneapolis?</a>carolnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23419547386687038502013-12-19T08:32:50.045-08:002013-12-19T08:32:50.045-08:00Why are there Somalis in Minnesota?
Blame Luther...<i>Why are there Somalis in Minnesota? </i><br /><br />Blame Lutheran Family Services and other "church group" refugee hustlers. They get govt $$$$ to place these people. They get a burr up their ass that MN or NH needs more "diversity" and next thing you know, there they are.<br /><br />Highly recommend <a href="http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">this site</a> to keep track of them.carolnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22775241402558349442013-12-19T07:36:43.314-08:002013-12-19T07:36:43.314-08:002Degrees: I don't know about the US, but New ...2Degrees: <i>I don't know about the US, but New Zealand's very small Somali community is one very big pain in the derriere.</i><br /><br />Anon: <i>Anyone who has told you that Somalis are a "successful" people or desirable immigrant group is LYING to you. I can't think of a more useless and dysfunctional group of people. In a sane world they would be the very last group of people allowed into the west.</i><br /><br />Reminds me of a PJ O'Rourke comment (from <i>All the Trouble in the World</i>, iirc) about Somalis. Something about there being good and bad in all groups, except "Somalis are all assholes".<br /><br />Once had a chat with an Englishman of casual acquaintance, who was permitting himself some quite tame, only mildly un-PC observations about the various populations of vibrants in Britain. He caught himself when he got to Somalis, mumbling some English equivalent of "whole 'nother ball game" and moving on. I mentioned their having a sizable presence in Minneapolis. He looked genuinely shocked. "Good God! Minneapolis? How did they get into Minneapolis?" One could only chuckle sardonically in response.<br /><br />Good-lookin' people, though.Rohan Sweenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2646883715213835102013-12-19T06:00:48.640-08:002013-12-19T06:00:48.640-08:00Lisa, tell a Mainer that you think your kid's ...Lisa, tell a Mainer that you think your kid's autistic and they'll tell you to take that stuff down to Massachusetts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23188651415790198492013-12-19T05:46:09.014-08:002013-12-19T05:46:09.014-08:00Here in this case what happens is very close marri...Here in this case what happens is very close marriages between cousins , close relatives . The same way that marriages between different people can generate behavioral complexity , suggesting the most common expression of recessive genes , exactly the same happens with people that strive for genotypic culture, the culture that places great emphasis on the establishment of uniform genes , or genes in common , a culture that strives for collective transcendence ( and suppression of individuality and dissent ) and racial or ethnic ( cultural-ethnic ) speciation .<br />The ever constant presence of these recessive traits that result in disparate behaviors seems to suggest that despite its recessive character , they are very common in human populations , because people seriously affected by them as schizophrenics , autistics among other neuro - distinct groups , have low fertility rates . I would go further and suggest that any human being on earth , especially the Euro-asians , have potential to express these genes through its offspring , depending on the type of mating in which to engage .<br />Epigenetic factors may also interfere with this process .<br />I have a theory , as easy to prove wrong , but anyway , I have nothing to lose by exposing it .<br />The autistic ( and other natural variations in humans) are more common in certain environments such as urban than in rural centers , because these regions could be like emulators environment where prehistoric humans evolved , an environment full of complexity (humans and not animals ) , feeling lonely or with less people ( despite the crowd , the masses tend to atomize the individual, big cities, great number of peoples but less friends and relates, small cities, little number of people, more % of know and friends) and the presence of an atmosphere heavy and difficult to be manipulated (ie , polluted cities represent the return of the human inability to manipulate the environment in its favor ) .<br />Summarizing this nonsense , when found in harsh environments , certain recessive genes can be expressed , not only by showing the individual with cognitive advantages of double expression, but also because its sensitivity generates a greater sense of caution and wariness among their relatives . Ie , beyond the multiple biological and cognitive advantages genetically indirect in having these individuals within the family , they still may have potentiated the effect of inferring new emotions and possibilities of behavior these people . They are beings with great potentiality to cause disturbing events of family routine and therefore may cause significant increase in awareness , understanding of love as well as care and seeks to avoid taking risks . Fatherhood or motherhood naturally provokes this feeling in parents, imagine when you have an extremely sensitive to all sorts of conflicts be?Gottliebnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57258560796330619382013-12-19T05:44:02.774-08:002013-12-19T05:44:02.774-08:00A long time since I started venturing in psycholog...A long time since I started venturing in psychology, I have questioned me about the very likely racial differences in autism, both in intrarracial quality, as the number of cases among the races.<br /><br />Minesotans are predominantly liberal , from what I have read . Liberal people have a higher tolerance to different people , well, actually , many of them tend to be the type weird . Nerds , eccentric and creative , only ordinary crazy people with no talent , experiencers , among many other types are common between you Americans call a liberal . Here we call ''esquerdistas''.<br />As a result , you are first dealing with a population with minority cultural trends , which suggests genetic recessivity. Liberals are a bio -behavioral phenotype that exists as a minority in all human societies , in general , they would like the extra men that confer some evolutionary advantage of group. Greater creativity can most likely be one of them.<br />Already the population of Utah is predominantly conservative and a Mormon. However, the recessive is also positively selected. Overall, the recessive traits are always selected in any human population , because without them , we become closer to colonies of ants , where everyone is more or less the same thing . The essence of being human , will disappear .<br /><br />Gottliebnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10684689376761837312013-12-19T04:17:54.895-08:002013-12-19T04:17:54.895-08:00Power Child said:
Abdull's last sentence remi...Power Child said:<br /><br /><i>Abdull's last sentence reminds me, Somalis are in some ways a pretty interesting people. The sad connection Abdull draws between being a nation of poets and her son's muteness is itself very poetic.</i><br /><br />To me, it seems that Somalis are a very uninteresting people. I had no idea that they were supposed to be a "nation of poets", but I guess that's because they're so insular. They share many of the common pathologies of black Africans, but they don't seem to have any talent for the performing arts, unlike West Africans. Nor do they seem to have any special athletic talents, except perhaps for long-distance running (see: Mo Farah).<br /><br />Dai Alanye said:<br /><br /><i>Let's get a bit racial. "Whites" are Caucasian, and Somalis, like Ethiopians, are largely Caucasian as well, despite dark complexions. Racially they are nearer to Swedes than to Central Africans, and far nearer to Jews and Arabs.</i><br /><br />That's nonsense. East Africans are about 50% negro and 50% Arab.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87758159210062705782013-12-19T02:44:45.488-08:002013-12-19T02:44:45.488-08:00"I hate to break it to you, but Barbara Walte...<b>"I hate to break it to you, but Barbara Walters is not a Christian."</b><br /><br />So for Walters, Obama is the <i>first</i> Messiah. Got it.<br /><br /><b>The Somali I know best tells me their men hate to work for someone else.</b><br /><br />An alpha male complex. They have to be in charge. To accept someone else's authority is to acknowledge your own inferiority. Of course the way authority is exercised in Somalia (and, increasingly, everywhere) why would you trust someone with authority?Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4946883207381263822013-12-19T02:35:59.167-08:002013-12-19T02:35:59.167-08:00"Somalis, like Ethiopians, are largely Caucas...<b>"Somalis, like Ethiopians, are largely Caucasian as well, despite dark complexions. Racially they are nearer to Swedes than to Central Africans, and far nearer to Jews and Arabs."</b><br /><br />Huh? Are you insane? <a href="http://www.scs.illinois.edu/~mcdonald/WorldHaplogroupsMaps.pdf" rel="nofollow">There are distinct differences</a> on the Y chromosome between Ethiopians and Central Africans. They are probably the result of Islamic conquests. On their Y chromosome Somalis have more in common with North Africans than with Central Africans. But they have <b>nothing</b> in common with Swedes - or with Europeans in general.<br /><br />On their mtDNA they are mostly just like other Sub-Saharan Africans, which further suggests their differences are the result of Muslim conquests.Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74805393297118534242013-12-19T02:22:23.875-08:002013-12-19T02:22:23.875-08:00Anecdotal evidence points to them being the least ...<b>Anecdotal evidence points to them being the least successful immigrant everywhere but I'd like to know more.</b><br /><br />Oh no, no, no - it's just that every country, everywhere in the world is racist against Somalis. It has nothing to do with the Somalis themselves - it's just this huge remarkable coincidence!<br /><br /><b>Nobody seems all that sure. But who has time to investigate whether Minnesota's white children having an autism diagnosis rate 2.44 times the national average is a real problem when there are Somalis to worry about who have autism at 2.75 times the national average?</b><br /><br />Kinda like how everyone knows that the <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/suicide/statistics/rates02.html" rel="nofollow">highest suicide rates</a> are among Asian men and black women.Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7033983647081857132013-12-18T23:57:59.311-08:002013-12-18T23:57:59.311-08:00Some observations from a longtime Somali watcher:
...Some observations from a longtime Somali watcher:<br /><br />Somali kids in our neighborhood don't go out to play in the winter. Nor do the Ethiopians, Mexicans, Guatemalans, Vietnamese, Cambodians, etc. Hell, when the windchill is -11, as it has been the last week or two, OUR kids ain't goin' out. <br /><br />Do they add vitamin D to goat milk? Somalis don't touch the cows' stuff. <br /><br />In recent years Ramadan has been coming in the summer, and they can't eat at all until around 9pm. That wouldn't affect the kids, but it would their parents. A mini-famine every 11 1/2 months. <br /><br />Somalis are notoriously poetic in their own language, in their own country. It's practically their national sport, with competitions and all. You'd think they might use it as a substitute for war. But without combat, what would they have to be poetic about?<br /><br />Their girls, for one thing. Young Somali women are lithe, feminine, friendly, fashionable, modest, chaste and rarely angry. In other words, they ain't assimilatin'!<br /><br />In one sense, they're like Asians. In 20 years I've never seen a single Somaliman show the slightest interest in women outside their community. Their women seem like they'd be more open to outbreeding but, unlike Asians, aren't free to act on it. But note that the only Somali most Americans can name is married to David Bowie. <br /><br />I want to know where Somalis fall on the ADD scale. I imagine it's very high. Thom Hartmann wrote of an Eskimo village in Canada in which every single child was diagnosed with it. Nothing wrong with them, it's just the way their minds work, a holdover from hunter-gatherer times-- in the case of Eskimos, the day before yesterday. <br /><br />The Somali I know best tells me their men hate to work for someone else. Cabdriving and airport service jobs are perfect for such types. No boss in sight. Great for ADDs, not so much for autistics!<br />Reg Cæsarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43238400709246146322013-12-18T23:43:15.912-08:002013-12-18T23:43:15.912-08:00Anonymous said...
It's not like they're in... Anonymous said...<br />It's not like they're inbred, or anything. <br /><br /><br />Right, I was thinking I should check out Consang.net.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12442686917223734622013-12-18T23:41:42.486-08:002013-12-18T23:41:42.486-08:00"Utah is a Puritan, Saxon-Scandinavian enclav..."Utah is a Puritan, Saxon-Scandinavian enclave within the former Wild West. It also boasts the same do-gooder liberal internationalism that Minnesotans do, only framed in a religious missionary worldview. Salt Lake City has a large Somali population itself. <br /><br />"Because Utah and Minnesota don't share regional culture, history, latitude, elevation, rainfall, density of mosquitoes, etc., that suggests something shared farther back, at the genetic level (or Puritanism)."<br /><br />Puritanism is specifically an English manifestation of Calvinistic Protestantism, with a strong emphasis on preaching and strictly moral personal conduct, coupled with a very diminished and austere version of the traditional Christian sacraments. Characteristic theological aspects are the doctrines of predestination and election. The American descendants of Puritanism are the Congregationalists. This denomination is predominantly associated with New England.<br /><br />Neither Utah's Mormonism nor Minnesota's Scandinavian Lutheranism are very closely connected theologically, liturgically, or organizationally with Puritanism. Both, inter alia, preserve the ancient office of bishop, which would have been anathema to the Puritans!<br /><br />Mormonism is probably best understood as a Christian heterodoxy as broadly deviant from the mainstream of post-Nicene Christianity as many of the ante-Nicene Christian splinter groups were. Indeed, it has some doctrinal resemblance to the Valentinian heresy. Historically, Mormonism derives from the Zwinglian or Anabaptist strain of Reformed Christianity; Joseph Smith and Brigham Young somewhat resembled John of Leyden (especially in respect of their polygamy), but with the exception that they succeeded where John of Leyden failed. Some ritualistic borrowings from Freemasonry are also thrown into the mixture with the other elements. <br /><br />Lutheranism - especially as practiced by Swedish Lutherans - is very close to what Episcopalianism once was. It is has a much more sacramental emphasis than does Calvinism, which abhorred anything redolent of "popery." Sweden became "reformed" during the reign of Gustavus I Vasa because he differed with the papacy over who was to be given one of the Swedish bishoprics - it was a political and not a theological reformation, much like that of Henry VIII, but without the soap-opera aspects. The independent Swedish church did not adopt a definitely Lutheran character until the 1590s - quite late. <br /><br />There is certainly a pietistic character to Swedish Lutheranism, and some of this has carried over to its Minnesota version. But what this would have to do with causing a high rate of autism is difficult to see.<br /><br />I'd look for genetic causes, since the ancestral populations, both of Mormon pioneers in Utah and of Scandinavian immigrants to Minnesota, were small, and their descendants have tended to stay put where their great-great-grandparents settled. If the respective churches have anything to do with it, it might be that Mormons tend to marry other Mormons, and Lutherans to marry other Lutherans. Given the small size of the two gene pools, this might tend to encourage recessive traits to manifest themselves.Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75769018579022924912013-12-18T22:56:37.608-08:002013-12-18T22:56:37.608-08:00Utah is a Puritan, Saxon-Scandinavian enclave with...<i>Utah is a Puritan, Saxon-Scandinavian enclave within the former Wild West. It also boasts the same do-gooder liberal internationalism that Minnesotans do</i><br /><br />Utah is among the most conservative states:<br /><br />http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/01/conservative-liberal-states-gallup-poll/1885131/<br /><br />Minnesota isn't. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com