tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post5233820470421605261..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Judge Richard Posner on IQ by race and how to rate teachersUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger119125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44628883408572998132013-03-07T01:33:31.514-08:002013-03-07T01:33:31.514-08:00>Europeans generally score higher on verbal tes...>Europeans generally score higher on verbal tests on which you cannot prepare on.<br /><br />Guess not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88671384053613884562012-10-17T17:00:22.950-07:002012-10-17T17:00:22.950-07:00"T, I think it was obvious to everyone (else)..."T, I think it was obvious to everyone (else) that he meant that 70% of Indians in America have bachelor's degrees.<br /><br />Interesting statistic, btw."<br /><br />My Dick Tracy secret decoder ring was in the shop.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36056093062185293372012-10-17T09:37:22.077-07:002012-10-17T09:37:22.077-07:00Second, Asians in America are the top of the crop....<i>Second, Asians in America are the top of the crop. In India, 8% of the population has a bachelor's degree.<br /><br />In America, it is a stunning 70%.</i><br /><br />T, I think it was obvious to everyone (else) that he meant that 70% of Indians in America have bachelor's degrees.<br /><br />Interesting statistic, btw.Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43944712928289941142012-10-17T09:35:12.838-07:002012-10-17T09:35:12.838-07:00As for Israeli IQ, one other thing to consider is ...<i>As for Israeli IQ, one other thing to consider is that there has been a lot of mixing between Ashkenazim, Sephardim and Mizrahim. There aren't that many pure Ashkenazim left, and it is possible that someone might identify as Ashkenazi when being tested, say if he has an Ashkenazi surname, but be less than fully Ashkenazi by ancestry.</i><br /><br />The smart Jews would rather live in the diaspora among non-Jews than in the Jewish ethno-state. I think Occam would like that explanation. There were certainly more Ashkenazis living in the diaspora than in Israel, last time I checked.<br /><br /><i>Another issue affecting Ashkenazi IQ in Israel is the proportion of ultra-Orthodox. Ultra-Orthodox make up a significantly larger fraction of the Ashkenazi population in Israel than they do in the U.S. (although their population share is growing here). If they have lower average IQ than more secular Jews, that would also affect estimates.</i><br /><br />Mean Ashkenazi IQ in Israel is 104. I don't have the source handy, but that's my recollection.<br /><br />This all seems plausible to me. The dumb Ashkenazis with IQs sufficient to make them the elite in Israel, but not elsewhere, find Israel an attractive deal. The smart Ashkenazis with IQs sufficient to make them the elite in the diaspora (when combined with the stratospheric levels of Ashkenazi ethnocentrism) find the diaspora more attractive.Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24938609220943995652012-10-17T09:14:33.791-07:002012-10-17T09:14:33.791-07:00"Actually, when you look at specific white gr...<i>"Actually, when you look at specific white groups- whites in britain, whites in denmark, etc. often you find that the avg is 110 or so, which is higher than the NE Asian avg. of 105. They aren't lumped together with an increasingly higher pct of NAMs in their population as we are, under the category 'American' which people then take as free rein to assume is the IQ of whites."<br /><br />That's not the way IQ rankings work.</i><br /><br />So, you were just putting your dick in the butter tray when you wrote:<br /><br /><i>"- East Asian average IQ is comparable to that of Germans, with a skew toward mathematical over verbal ability compared to Europeans."<br /><br />Steve has cited studies that indicate that the average IQ in Hong Kong right now is 120+.</i><br /><br />Right?Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29392102495047064422012-10-17T09:12:47.977-07:002012-10-17T09:12:47.977-07:00"- East Asian average IQ is comparable to tha...<i>"- East Asian average IQ is comparable to that of Germans, with a skew toward mathematical over verbal ability compared to Europeans."<br /><br />Steve has cited studies that indicate that the average IQ in Hong Kong right now is 120+.</i><br /><br />So? I bet mean IQ in Silicon Valley is higher than the American, just as the HK mean is probably higher than the Chinese. Well over a billion Chinamen, all clamoring to get into HK - one would hope the mean IQ there is high. But 120 is an extraordinary claim, requiring extraordinary evidence.Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51693014347361333342012-10-16T20:47:42.619-07:002012-10-16T20:47:42.619-07:00From the LA Times:
"The Gallup polling organ...From the LA Times:<br /><br />"The Gallup polling organization will gather the questioners from a pool who say they have not picked either Romney or Obama. The voters will submit their questions, and Crowley will then help pick the 15 or so who will have a chance to ask their question, live, before a national television audience expected to number 60 million or more."<br /><br />...so Crowley, an Obama supporter, was given sole discretion in winnowing 80 submitted questions down to about 15 to be asked. Does anyone actually seriously entertain the idea that this was a fair fight? Why Reince Priebus didn't cry foul to the debate committee days before the debate about this is a mystery to me. <br /><br />Romney fought with one hand tied behind his back, or more accurately, Obama was fighting with a 3rd arm. Crowley even had a response herself prepared for Romney's highly anticipated attack on the administration's handling of the terrorist attack in Benghazi. Romney had literally turned his back towards Crowley to deliver the attack to Obama sitting behind him when Crowley attacked his statement on Benghazi from the front.<br /><br />Very disappointed here.Wadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10998228889982961028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2519739834539481872012-10-16T07:48:23.154-07:002012-10-16T07:48:23.154-07:00"Posner was brought in a mediator on the Micr..."Posner was brought in a mediator on the Microsoft antitrust case, and earned Bill Gates highest verbal compliment: " He's a super-smart guy ""<br /><br />In case albertosaurus forgets, Kildall. And Gates's mother.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73302083694417558232012-10-15T16:58:54.292-07:002012-10-15T16:58:54.292-07:00Well I certainly agree with him on the attractiven...Well I certainly agree with him on the attractiveness of teaching below the college level. I often wonder why Bill O'Reilly seems so proud of having taught high school?<br /><br />I've never taught at that level but I have visited high schools and inteviewed the teachers. They alway looked to me like people trying to survive in a war zone. I can't imagine enduring the daily stress of teaching in a typical urban high school. It's like being a coal miner - the kind of job you are driven to in desparation. Not the kind of job any sensible person would choose.<br /><br />Albertosaurus Pat Boylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13477950851915567863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28417928954891144662012-10-15T15:19:28.074-07:002012-10-15T15:19:28.074-07:00Well, everyone has to deal with a stupid/destructi...Well, everyone has to deal with a stupid/destructive boss at one time or another, but it's a matter of degree. In all sincerety, I don't consider the analogies I made above to be absurd exaggerations. I have friends here who teach AP English and AP Calc. Every year, they are handed a bunch of students who are known to be completely illiterate and unable to do long divission/compute percentages and told, "Seriously. You can make this work if you put your mind to it. Sure, they might not catch up enough to get 5s on the test, but 4s and 3s aren't out of reach here. Just follow the gudelines, work hard and make them know that you care". Also, a bunch of my collegues are micromanaged to such a degree that not a single thing they do originates from them. Yet, they are still held responsible for the (non)results.<br /><br />Btw, I say all this as someone who is considered a "good" teacher and hasn't gotten a bad evaluation in almost 2 years. I'm sort of an admin whisperer, actually. Some of it is due to my willingness to smile or scrunch up my forehead in mock concentration as needed, but a lot of it has to do with me overplaying my ethnic wisdom and the richness of my culture. Any time I'm corrected or shamed, I wait until it's my time to compliment the admin and proceed to thank her for helping me become a better American and understand American culture, all the while apologizing for slipping into my inferior cultural norms. They shrink back. A few a sincerely conserned about "native born privilege". Many know exactly what I'm doing, but still don't want to touch it. They leave me alone now, mostly. The reason I sound so angry and bitter is that the game I'm playing makes me feel dirty and compliant, like a French collaborationist pleasuring a nazi. <br /><br />Sorry, about the probable spelling and format horrors. I'm posting with a phone. Mayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90842207375503293472012-10-15T15:13:04.103-07:002012-10-15T15:13:04.103-07:00San Franciscan non-monk said:
"What does he m...San Franciscan non-monk said:<br /><i>"What does he mean by saying that the middle class is the upper quartile?"</i><br /><br />Oh, he means to say (but does not): "Welcome to Brazil version 2.0)"<br />Nanonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52226882226300765292012-10-15T14:32:03.411-07:002012-10-15T14:32:03.411-07:00Actually, he spent many years trying to keep the F...Actually, he spent many years trying to keep the F-104 (an interceptor that the Lockheed brass had sold to the West Germans as a low-level fighter bomber by bribing the Defense Minister $10 million) from killing so many German pilots in training missions, so, yeah, he had some experience with that sort of job.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90537184830040461402012-10-15T14:29:51.282-07:002012-10-15T14:29:51.282-07:00Posner probably figures he is too old now to be ap...Posner probably figures he is too old now to be appointed to the Supreme Court even if Romney is elected, Presidents want Supreme Court justices in their 40's and 50's not their 70's. Posner will have to be happy with being the Learned Hand of his generation ( The most influential jurist not on the Supreme Court ) so he probably figures the conventional wisdom will eventually turn on IQ and he is going to be out in front at least amongst those in the self selecting elite. Not surprising given his history of going against the grain on range of issues, such as bringing economic analysis into the law. BTW, Posner was brought in a mediator on the Microsoft antitrust case, and earned Bill Gates highest verbal compliment: " He's a super-smart guy "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32328197601767968412012-10-15T14:28:16.496-07:002012-10-15T14:28:16.496-07:00"My father survived 42 years of a policy of f..."My father survived 42 years of a policy of firing the bottom 5-10% each year."<br /><br />Was your father evaluated based on other people's merits and wildly differing, statistically invalid scores gathered from short observations by people with no real qualifications? Was his performance judged against expectations based in reality or those rooted in pure fantasy? Was your father ever held responsible when a plane crashed as a result of a drugged poodle being allowed to pilot it? Was your father ever demoted for what he was ordered to do against his better judgement? How about for refusing to follow orders that he knew would lead to disaster? Did his superiors ever give him a bunch of inflatable matresses and tell him to make sure that they make it to Japan without stopping to refuel, with a straight face? Did he have a pannel of 20 ever changing managers, each of whom would show up at random to insist that your father should repaint the planes instead of checking their mechanisms or that what he really needs to focus on is becoming friendly with the families of any given crew that any given plane might carry? If anything your father was working on did turn out to be majorely defective, was he allowed to tell somebody, or was he required to just shut up and not think about it?Mayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13136607083101784272012-10-15T13:41:57.803-07:002012-10-15T13:41:57.803-07:00Anonymous10/14/12 3:18 PM
"Funny thing how A...Anonymous10/14/12 3:18 PM<br /><br />"Funny thing how American teachers got lousier as the students they had to teach got dumber."<br /><br />Why funny? This is entirely to be expected. As a loser in an academic rat race, I could have considered teaching a bunch of bright kids but there is no way I will ever agree to teach "traditional" students, which would be a bunch of NAMs with serious discipline problems.<br /><br />Dutch Boy: No matter how obvious it is to you ( or to me!), methinks you needed to use the old "/sarcasm".TontoBubbaGoldsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15084529465502345934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52817546228656309712012-10-15T11:40:33.599-07:002012-10-15T11:40:33.599-07:0025 % of all Jews in America are non-Asheknazi. Non...<i>25 % of all Jews in America are non-Asheknazi. Non-Ashkenazi Jews in Israel form the overwhelming majority</i><br /><br />Wrong and wrong.<br /><br /><i>There aren't that many pure Ashkenazim left</i><br /><br />Wrong.<br /><br />Comments section is getting crappy lately.IHTGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13543091238926738309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43122065916587550202012-10-15T11:21:42.210-07:002012-10-15T11:21:42.210-07:00nonpartisan lawyers' organizations like the Am...<i>nonpartisan lawyers' organizations like the American Bar Association</i><br /><br />Help him Lord. walter condleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89105842775382296262012-10-15T07:48:54.686-07:002012-10-15T07:48:54.686-07:00Regarding Lynn's IQ numbers. Lynn
norms his IQ...Regarding Lynn's IQ numbers. Lynn<br />norms his IQ numbers by setting the UK to 100. He gives, I belive, 98 as the US average. In comparing Lynn's estimates to other sources where the US population is set to 100, 2 points should be added to Lynn's numbers.Jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76017572903694193822012-10-15T06:51:52.124-07:002012-10-15T06:51:52.124-07:00Mark Teixeira is of Portuguese origins and is cons...Mark Teixeira is of Portuguese origins and is considered a Yankee.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81682994618202554692012-10-15T05:52:44.099-07:002012-10-15T05:52:44.099-07:00"My father survived 42 years of a policy of f..."My father survived 42 years of a policy of firing the bottom 5-10% each year." Once the backlog of lousy teachers had been cleared, there would be no need to fire 5% - 10% each year, probably just 5%-10% of the new intake. Plus, perhaps, the odd older one who's started hitting the bottle. <br /><br />You have to design a school system that can cope with most teachers being so-so: it's only the lousy ones you have to get rid of. Once it's clear to most teachers that their jobs are safe, their morale would be boosted by seeing the dismissing of the lousy ones who drag a school down.deariemenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67407858205140772452012-10-15T00:25:06.985-07:002012-10-15T00:25:06.985-07:00"True, smart people didn't earn their sma..."True, smart people didn't earn their smart brains. But they do earn the good grades they tend to make by working hard to use those smart brains. Aren't they entitled to feel some pride about that?"<br /><br />Or entitled to some guilt on seeing their hard-working friends still way behind their low-effort approach to school results.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39244750895312520832012-10-15T00:09:20.933-07:002012-10-15T00:09:20.933-07:00Mitch,
"You might want to ask Harriet Miers ...Mitch,<br /><br /><i>"You might want to ask Harriet Miers about [how unclear the objective standards are for potential judges]."</i><br /><br />Harriet Miers' nomination shows just how "unclear" the professional standards are for judges. <br /><br />It was conservative ideologues, not professional legal critics or nonpartisan lawyers' organizations like the American Bar Association, who were the primary drivers in forcing the Bush Administration to withdraw her nomination. Her most dedicated opponents weren't guided by objective professional standards, but by ideological ones. They weren't concerned she was an incompetent jurist; they were concerned Bush was putting an ideological cipher on the court.<br /><br /><i>"I understood Posner to mean "not competitive", as in "not wanting a job that relies on competition to get ahead", as opposed to "not competitive enough to get paid more". I agree with that. It's also true of government workers, cops, and firefighters."</i><br /><br />I thought his comment was made in the context of monetary incentives. <br /><br />For example, a lot of people might teach because they like the long summer vacations or the reliable working hours or the relative job stability they find in teaching, and they are willing to forego some salary in order to gain that additional freedom or security. They might like teaching and care a great deal for the kids, but they were also attracted to teaching because they wanted a more balanced life. <br /><br />Introducing monetary awards for performance into such a group, assuming we even could measure teacher performance accurately and fairly, is not likely to lead to the results one might expect in a more strictly economically rational group. As Posner says, teachers as a group are generally not competitive and seeking to maximize every dollar they can get. if they were, they wouldn't be teachers.Pincher Martinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49681623879336505022012-10-15T00:07:39.149-07:002012-10-15T00:07:39.149-07:00"This was in TX, a state where teachers' ..."This was in TX, a state where teachers' unions are powerless."<br /><br />I hate to say it, but Texas is one of the most improved states judging by NAEP scores. Also one of the few (only?) where the white-'hispanic' gap has closed somewhat (but not all that much). <br /><br />stari_momaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35521432255744419052012-10-14T22:12:12.469-07:002012-10-14T22:12:12.469-07:00What does he mean by saying that the middle class ...What does he mean by saying that the middle class is the upper quartile?San Franciscan non-monknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38049089957643859582012-10-14T21:34:33.728-07:002012-10-14T21:34:33.728-07:00"Student performance is overwhelmingly determ..."Student performance is overwhelmingly determined by family of origin. Motivated parents flock to better public and private schools in textbook capital flight. "<br /><br />That's the crazy thing about this. Mr. Brown, of Brown v. Board of Education wanted to get his sweet little black daughter out of the ghetto, way the heck away from Negroes and into a decent white school with decent white friends. He moved to the other (white) side of town to do just that.<br /><br />imagine his shock and horror when the school said she would have to go back to the same old school with the very Negroes he was so desperately trying to escape! <br /><br />Negroes are desperately escaping Negroes all over the world. When Negroes escape Negroes and come live with white folks, it is called "integration". When white folks do the exact same thing for the exact same reasons, it is called "white flight". Go figure.Big Billnoreply@blogger.com