tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post5258368217228940809..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Is the NBA rigged?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24176927267001517262010-02-17T20:58:46.042-08:002010-02-17T20:58:46.042-08:00Check out the pending Antawn Jamison trade...Check out the pending Antawn Jamison trade...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51771087847958985872010-01-08T13:37:22.132-08:002010-01-08T13:37:22.132-08:00The effort that is expended by the modern basketba...<i>The effort that is expended by the modern basketball player on defense is a critical factor in how the game is played now. Defense has evolved in both the way it is coached and played. The ability of modern big guards and small forward players to contest everything (Jerry West never saw a defender like Scottie Pippen) would also have an impact on these hypothetical games.</i> <br /><br />Yeah, but the question is whether the "defense" involves nothing more than classical "step-slide, step-slide, step-slide", with a nice little 18" to 36" of air between the defender and the offensive player, or whether the "defense" involves constant contact, with hand checks and elbowing and hip grinds and tripping and jersey-pulling and scratching and clawing and biting [like two little Section 8 Baby-Mamas in a cat fight].Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57995825784824456482010-01-07T10:47:51.294-08:002010-01-07T10:47:51.294-08:00OT: maybe this is why blacks are so good at sport....OT: maybe this is why blacks are so good at sport. <br /><br />http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8441813.stmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16418671690075194802010-01-07T10:35:08.781-08:002010-01-07T10:35:08.781-08:00As for the black/thing. There were a great many bl...As for the black/thing. There were a great many black players who are and were great basketball players in a "less contact" oriented version of the game. There were many skilled ball handling, passing and shooting black players, not everyone was a mindless high flier.<br /><br />If one were asked to assemble a roster for basketball where the emphasis was making it a non-contact, zone defense, spot up shooting and cutting version of the game, one wouldn't choose an all black roster that resembled Simmons'.<br /><br />In that version of the game a black team of players like Isiah Thomas, Tiny Archibald, Ray Allen, and Reggie Miller would be the backcourt you would choose. <br /><br />In a series of games between the best black and white ball players, where the rules were the determining factor in how the rosters were chosen, you would probably never have either group get more than a game or two ahead of the other over 20 games. <br /><br />All kinds of variables would enter into the equation which would change the results. The three point line is still the great wild card in basketball. It is a great invention if the shot is hard enough, but when it is too easy, as it is in college, it ruins the game and reduces the sport to a jump shooting contest.<br /><br />The game should always seek to be a blend of the physical and the skilled, the vertical leaping and the quick passing and cutting etc etc. <br /><br />The ability to defend is another factor. The story about the college all-star team running Jordan and the 92 Dream Team out of the gym for a half before Jordan and Pippen got upset and started playing 92 feet of man to man defense is legend in basketball. The college guys couldn't advance the ball past half court. <br /><br />The effort that is expended by the modern basketball player on defense is a critical factor in how the game is played now. Defense has evolved in both the way it is coached and played. The ability of modern big guards and small forward players to contest everything (Jerry West never saw a defender like Scottie Pippen) would also have an impact on these hypothetical games.CJ42noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89718814373155252202010-01-07T09:57:26.963-08:002010-01-07T09:57:26.963-08:00In every sport, in every game, in history, where a...In every sport, in every game, in history, where a referee was in charge of enforcing rules, great players were given the benefit of the doubt.<br /><br />Great old story I heard as a kid about hitting great Honus Wagner. Wagner stepped to the plate against a rookie pitcher. Rookie throws three straight borderline pitches, Wagner takes all three for balls and the count is now 3-0; the rookie pitcher complains. Umpire steps out beyond home plate, looks at young pitcher and says, "Young man, when Mr. Wagner swings, you will know you have thrown a strike."<br /><br />This is universal, don't just tag the NBA with it.CJ42noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53779271636474952782010-01-06T19:15:08.403-08:002010-01-06T19:15:08.403-08:00I suggest we all watch the MLS.
The star team (Be...I suggest we all watch the MLS.<br /><br />The star team (Beck's, or should I say Donovan's los angeles) was given all kinds of breaks, free passes and referee calls, and they huffed and puffed their way to the final.<br /><br />Where they fell flat on their face facing the dumbest named football team on the planet, and, uh (sorry), Real Salt Lake (Real is a title bestowed by a Spanish king on a sports team - how an American team from mormonland got that name, and who made that call, is a mystery to me).AmericanGoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00865892490752172185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37076008967711663032010-01-06T14:00:43.538-08:002010-01-06T14:00:43.538-08:00You want rigging? Let's talk boxing, not bball...You want rigging? Let's talk boxing, not bball!Dutch Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687679491743923216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60158786551971522542010-01-06T13:51:46.153-08:002010-01-06T13:51:46.153-08:00Mainly poor comments about the all-White vs all-Bl...Mainly poor comments about the all-White vs all-Black matchup. All those White MVPs were also unstopable during their primes, so anyone repeating the "who would stop Jordan/Shaq/Wilt" meme needs to think about the converse as well. <br /><br />And what rules will be used? The "early Shaq" rules, that allowed him to knock over defenders (even Wilt called that out at the time), or the "late Shaq" rules that call him for offensive fouls (more similar to the rules Wilt had to play under)?<br /><br />The more physical the game got, the more the White team would be advantaged, with their better passing and shooting. Such as in international ball even today: because body contact is not considered a foul, the best way to score is an open jumper. <br /><br />And how would zone defense be called? That standard has changed radically throughout the decades. Both teams would certainly play man-to-man, but how sagging and help defense would be allowed could and does drastically affect offensive execution, again, calling for better passing and shooting. <br /><br />Unless the game was rigged in favor of the black superstars (such as we are used to seeing) overall, advantage Whites.White Basketballhttp://whitebasketball.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43437263537371755212010-01-06T13:40:16.674-08:002010-01-06T13:40:16.674-08:00Can't believe no one's mentioned this but ...Can't believe no one's mentioned this but how about the obvious anti-white violence? The reason I dumped the NBA is because it's open season on white players, especially any white who dares to play defense on or rebound against a black. Are you people telling me you haven't noticed how, say, Kenyon Martin or Lamar Odom can slap any white player in the head from behind with impunity? Petrovic, by the way, was one of the early victims, getting slugged by Rod Strickland in the playoffs. It's actually a microcosm of the general exemption for blacks often discussed here in more political contexts.alonzo portfolionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68965975969531231772010-01-06T10:45:36.033-08:002010-01-06T10:45:36.033-08:00An All-Mestizo team even without stilts would be u...An All-Mestizo team even without stilts would be unstoppable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36367609533249150282010-01-06T07:54:55.639-08:002010-01-06T07:54:55.639-08:00I'm on the pro wrestling side. At least they a...<i>I'm on the pro wrestling side. At least they are honest about who they are.</i> <br /><br />Have you been following the career of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_Lesnar" rel="nofollow">Brock Lesnar</a>?<br /><br />Apparently some of these "professional" wrestlers are pretty good athletes [or else UFC is now rigged?].<br /><br />PS: Does UFC test for steroids?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23758087057378139402010-01-06T07:50:18.196-08:002010-01-06T07:50:18.196-08:00In re: All-black -vs- All-white.
It all depends o...In re: All-black -vs- All-white.<br /><br />It all depends on the choice of rules [or, more generally, the presence or absence of rules].<br /><br />If you use 1950s/1960s/1970s/early-1980s rules, then the Whites would have a very good chance [although stopping Jordan would be problematic].<br /><br />If you use late-1980s/1990s/2000s thug-ball non-rules, then the whites might very well be slaughtered.<br /><br />Whites could play basketball when it was a non-contact sport; when it became a contact sport in the late 1980s [thanks to the shenanigans of John Thompson at Georgetown and Chuck Daly at the Pistons, combined with David Stern's nihilistic desire to destroy the sport], whites were quickly overwhelmed by the superior fast-twitch musculature of the blacks.<br /><br />But whites can still compete at basketball when it is a non-contact sport whose rulebook is enforced, as evidenced by their recent success over blacks in FIBA rules basketball.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25126412935089702412010-01-06T01:08:08.870-08:002010-01-06T01:08:08.870-08:00I'm on the pro wrestling side. At least they a...I'm on the pro wrestling side. At least they are honest about who they are. <br /><br />Given the superstar status for foul calls and the absolute lack of calls for travelling and carrying the ball, I gave up on the NBA in the early 90's after being a huge fan. I may go to a game once every three years or so but only for the spectacle andonly if the tickets are free.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34504702278334526272010-01-06T00:33:39.731-08:002010-01-06T00:33:39.731-08:00Jordan scored "63 points in Game 2,(85-86 pla...Jordan scored "63 points in Game 2,(85-86 playoff) prompting Bird to call him 'God disguised as Michael Jordan'", yet the Bulls were still swept by the Celtics. Boston went 3-0 again in 86-87 against Jordan and the Bulls. 'God' is unguardable (ok it's not a word) but so what, the Celtics demolished them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41080341885669173102010-01-05T22:47:10.334-08:002010-01-05T22:47:10.334-08:00Right, the 3-point line opens up the game and make...Right, the 3-point line opens up the game and makes it more like the Olympics, giving the outstanding passers on the white team a chance for open 3-pointers. Most of the whites played before 3 pointers got big, but it's hard to imagine West and Barry wouldn't quickly reach levels of accuracy close to Bird and Stockton. <br /><br />The 3-point line would mean the black team would probably have to waste a spot on the 12 man roster on somebody like Reggie Miller, who is otherwise pretty useless. <br /><br />Without the 3 point line, the black team just pounds it inside and probably sweeps a best of seven series.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82447510155534955602010-01-05T22:35:50.513-08:002010-01-05T22:35:50.513-08:00Although if you look at it, none of the 5 blacks a...Although if you look at it, none of the 5 blacks are particularly good outside shooters; Magic and Jordan are adequate, Erving, Malone and Russell, bricklayers outside of 1-12 feet. <br /><br />The white guys have Barry, Bird, West and Stockton who all have three point range. The game would not be as much of a mismatch as I previously thought. I think the blacks would win 60-70% of the time (although the backups might mitigate that somewhat.)Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66598790763956874272010-01-05T20:23:34.966-08:002010-01-05T20:23:34.966-08:00Regarding the All-Black vs. All-White matchup, all...Regarding the All-Black vs. All-White matchup, allowing/disallowing zone defense would probably make a big difference, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14510926164763777432010-01-05T18:42:18.473-08:002010-01-05T18:42:18.473-08:00"First, your All-Black team would murder the ..."First, your All-Black team would murder the All-white team."<br /><br />Wasn't there a scene like this AMERICAN HISTORY X? <br /><br />I think the all-black team would win too, but three things...<br /><br />1. There is the X factor. Larry Bird wasn't particularly athletic but he was a superb basketball player. He had all the right moves, all the right instincts. So, as long as Larry plays, it may not be a blow-out. <br /><br />2. The nature of refereeing. If referees are prone to call a lot of fouls, whites may have a slight edge. Black athletes will be less able to out-muscle their way to victory. That's how Duke in 1990(Danny Ferry's last yr)defeated Georgetown with Alonzo Mourning. In that game, Duke scored a ton on penalty shots. <br /><br />3. The greatness of a team is not only about star players but chemisty. A team with only the best may not be the best. Scottie Pippin was not one of the greatest players of all time, but he was perfectly matched with Michael Jordan. Indeed, if you put only the best together, there may be less teamwork and more hogging the ball to show 'I'm the greatest'. This may explain why the far superior American Olympics 'Dream Teams' don't always blow away all the competition. The Dream Team has the best, but the players don't always work together in the most collaborative manner. Though they win the Gold, they don't beat all the other teams by 30 to 50 pts. <br /><br />Same goes for bands. Some people click together while other don't. Lennon and McCartney worked together beautifully, or at least their songs complemented each other on Beatles albums. <br />And Jagger and Richards were also natural parnters. But, imagine Lennon and Richard OR Jagger and McCartney. Great talents but wrong chemistry.hon of kennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4139316583109080232010-01-05T18:18:41.244-08:002010-01-05T18:18:41.244-08:00And, yes, his white big men, Walton and McHale, we...<i>And, yes, his white big men, Walton and McHale, were extremely fragile. When healthy, they were exquisite, but exquisite doesn't last long in the NBA.</i> <br /> <br /> <br /><br /><br />Big men don't tend to last long in the NBA, period. Kareem was unusual in this respect.<br /><br /><br />Jordan was stoppable, as long as the refs were honest. Which they weren't, really, for a stretch in the mid ninties. It's easier to score when you're allowed to travel and palm the ball.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25327995709628629312010-01-05T18:12:38.266-08:002010-01-05T18:12:38.266-08:00bent envelope?? It was frozen envelope and it'...bent envelope?? It was frozen envelope and it's bullsh#t. I don't buy the cospiracy talk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54142308369509113772010-01-05T18:10:35.738-08:002010-01-05T18:10:35.738-08:00Comparing the two teams, it looks like the big whi...Comparing the two teams, it looks like the big white disadvantages are at center and at stopping Jordan. If you threw Bobby Jones, John Havlicek, and Jerry West at Jordan in waves, you might be able to slow him down, but could you do that while also double-teaming Kareem or Shaq? <br /><br />Basically, the white guy team is totally dependent on developing great team chemistry, which could happen ... if something could be done about Rick Barry's personality.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37529785876057733772010-01-05T18:02:19.998-08:002010-01-05T18:02:19.998-08:00Right, Maravich was a Celtic at the tail end of hi...Right, Maravich was a Celtic at the tail end of his career.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90253256106754560312010-01-05T18:02:02.110-08:002010-01-05T18:02:02.110-08:00"Wooden himself said that Kareem was better t..."Wooden himself said that Kareem was better than Walton."<br /><br />Kareem was better than anybody because he had an unstoppable shot. We tend to forget that because he was kind of boring to watch. <br /><br />Actually, the only hope Simmons' All White team would have would be that Simmons' Celtic bias would make them play Bill Russell at center instead of a scorer like Kareem or Shaq. The #3 center on the Whites is 6'-9" Dave Cowens, so the black team has a huge advantage at center unless they play Russell, who couldn't shoot and was almost as bad at free throws as Wilt and Shaq.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73038009129736193562010-01-05T16:49:17.115-08:002010-01-05T16:49:17.115-08:00"i'm sure lots of regulars hate me by now..."i'm sure lots of regulars hate me by now. barging in, acting like a know-it-all, cluttering up threads with long posts."<br /><br />Good man Jody; recognition is the first step to recovery.<br /><br />"The last great mostly white basketball team was the Boston Celtics in the late fifties"<br /><br />The Celtics championship team of Bird's 2nd season had, I believe, two blacks, Maxwell and Henderson.<br /><br />Wooden himself said that Kareem was better than Walton.<br /><br />Petrovic was a better player than Marciolonis.<br /><br />And any basketball team with Kobe Magic and Jordan, with Rusell and Malone pulling down what few shots they missed, would be hard pressed to lose to any other basketball team.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79054400343162454312010-01-05T16:38:28.260-08:002010-01-05T16:38:28.260-08:00“Wilt was indeed great but his stats would have be...“Wilt was indeed great but his stats would have been far less impressive had he played the game in the 70s and 80s when there were far more blacks. Wilt played against a lot of slow white teams and thus could score 100 pts a game.”<br /><br />I guess guys like Russell, Thurmond, Embry, Bellamy, Lanier and the many other black centers Wilt played against will be shocked when they find out you’ve reclassified them as white.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com