tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post5321902667961040410..comments2024-03-29T05:14:33.223-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Affirmative Action brain puzzlersUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78607961135797242822012-10-16T20:17:25.435-07:002012-10-16T20:17:25.435-07:00When asked to provide my race/ethnicity, I always ...When asked to provide my race/ethnicity, I always check off the "white Hispanic" box. Do you think Obama checks off the "white African" box?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63914125986042846632012-10-16T16:38:29.550-07:002012-10-16T16:38:29.550-07:00When I went to the Univ of Texas ("THE" ...When I went to the Univ of Texas ("THE" University) in the early '70s I played a game with my applications every semester by varying my self-identification of race or whatever. One time I was white, another black, and still another Hispanic. It didn't seem to change my grades any. Or my other school stuff. My mail, however, changed in type and style to reflect my ethnic group selection. Sure got a lot of mail in Spanish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54256145654899147102012-10-16T15:15:26.084-07:002012-10-16T15:15:26.084-07:00General Verilli
Why is he called this? I though t...<i>General Verilli</i><br /><br />Why is he called this? I though that form of address was only for top-ranking Army and Air Force officers.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61609308436389249572012-10-16T15:12:00.856-07:002012-10-16T15:12:00.856-07:00If anything, Hispanics, Asians, Arabs and Subcons ...<i>If anything, Hispanics, Asians, Arabs and Subcons should be paying a substantial Gratitude Tax.</i><br /><br />And Armenians?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63939493503216803812012-10-16T13:43:50.842-07:002012-10-16T13:43:50.842-07:00Time to mention again that the US has already had ...Time to mention again that the US has already had its first "hispanic" president, what with Martin van Buren's great-great-great grandfather having emigrated from the Spanish Netherlands in the 1600s...Londonernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55397955292063928402012-10-16T09:56:53.374-07:002012-10-16T09:56:53.374-07:00If you're not darker than Zimmerman, you'v...If you're not darker than Zimmerman, you've got no business calling yourself 'Hispanic' in an honest game.<br /><br />Where is the paper bag test when you need it? <br /><br />There are some South Asians who are so dark that they make Obama look like a person of pallor, but they are the wrong kind of dark, so no AA for them.<br /><br />KAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74574359631865988272012-10-16T08:38:07.689-07:002012-10-16T08:38:07.689-07:00But the king of Spain is a Bourbon - ie French nob...But the king of Spain is a Bourbon - ie French nobility. Its a bit like Cleopatra wasn't African but descended from Greek/Macedonian generals.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43539084531249881332012-10-16T07:48:16.601-07:002012-10-16T07:48:16.601-07:00I wish Alito or Scalia would ask if they -- or the...<i>I wish Alito or Scalia would ask if they -- or their grandchildren -- count as "Latinos".</i><br /><br />They're Italian, aren't they?<br /><br />Then they're not Latinos.class factotumhttp://class-factotum.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86873239793879262902012-10-15T20:05:07.658-07:002012-10-15T20:05:07.658-07:00"One-quarter would be a reasonable minimum fr..."One-quarter would be a reasonable minimum fraction in order for one to qualify as Hispanic or Asian for affirmative action purposes."<br /><br />Why do Hispanics and Asians deserve affirmative action? Why do they deserve any preference under any circumstances at all?<br /><br />They got their affirmative action when we let them settle in this country, despite their having no a priori right to do so, and despite our having no moral obligation to permit them to do so.<br /><br />If anything, Hispanics, Asians, Arabs and Subcons should be paying a substantial Gratitude Tax.<br /> scoobius dubiousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46449475152536430452012-10-15T18:22:58.132-07:002012-10-15T18:22:58.132-07:00Cultural Marxists have always understood that AA a...Cultural Marxists have always understood that AA and anti-discrimination laws are risible. I remember a decades-old PC-101 text book warning of conservative attempts to reduce AA to absurdity: The chapter was entitled 'The Red Haired Scotch Housekeeper Fallacy' (no less). <br /><br />Back to 'who-whom'.<br /><br />Gilbert P.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16607209656950656472012-10-15T17:13:01.678-07:002012-10-15T17:13:01.678-07:00Ben,
It's bad faith, even if you could trump u...Ben,<br />It's bad faith, even if you could trump up a stepfather's last name or the like which is something like Diaz or Garcia. It is gaming the system. If you're not darker than Zimmerman, you've got no business calling yourself 'Hispanic' in an honest game.<br /><br />But the system long ago ceased to have the moral standing necessary for people to respect it sufficiently not to game it much. Let the bad faith flow like a river from the mountain of hypocrisy!<br />Let the young adopt the credo of the Munchkin, checking whatever box gives the biggest bonus.<br />Let us force the hand of the servants of sanctimony. Let us force them to demand a blood quantum. Perhaps it is even time to steal a page from the 'transgendered', and subvert affirmative action for women as well.<br />You're a lesbian Hispanic transgendered woman. So say us all.Jehuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16483263667086303029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70863657599694366262012-10-15T15:59:52.223-07:002012-10-15T15:59:52.223-07:00Perhaps the thing to do is just to tell all our ki...<i>Perhaps the thing to do is just to tell all our kids to check Hispanic, it's the most fuzzy category, and overwhelm the system by insane amounts of bad faith.</i><br /><br />But it's not bad faith if you live in Texas or California, which used to be part of Mexico and again today are full of Mestizos and other Spanish-speakers. ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47997989331857028272012-10-15T13:16:18.046-07:002012-10-15T13:16:18.046-07:00Yeah, that's always a question with European r...Yeah, that's always a question with European royalty: is the King of Spain Spanish enough to be Hispanic? For example, Czar Nicholas II was only 1/128th Russian. Most European royalty was mostly German, since Germany pre-Bismarck had so many of the royal caste.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28589666672207637682012-10-15T12:01:31.781-07:002012-10-15T12:01:31.781-07:00Canada has a concept of a "visible minority&q...Canada has a concept of a "visible minority". But, upon inspection, it's not as fun as it sounds. Unfortunately, they do not examine minorities for visible signs of their minorityness. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56369462080360056852012-10-15T11:00:15.323-07:002012-10-15T11:00:15.323-07:00Democrats relentlessly push anal marriage, even af...Democrats relentlessly push anal marriage, even after <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Ballot_Measure_36_(2004)" rel="nofollow">voters reject it in liberal states</a>. Republicans do nothing about “affirmative action”, even after voters end it in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initiative_200" rel="nofollow">liberal states</a>.<br />C. Van Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09918883799053031223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9154324628603711472012-10-15T10:22:28.282-07:002012-10-15T10:22:28.282-07:00Re: that Nuremberg feeling, this is of course why ...Re: that Nuremberg feeling, this is of course why the government has to get out of the race counting business. The Supreme Court has for decades rightly stated that any racial classifications by government are highly suspect constitutionally and subject to "strict scrutiny" - so strict that they are rarely allowed. "Affirmative action" because it serves the noble, almost holy goal of "diversity" is the one exception. If the situation were reversed and some employer was arguing that he had a constitutionally valid method for figuring out who belonged to which race so that he could employ smarter white people, they would toss him out of the courts so fast that his head would spin. But because this is "good" discrimination we are treated to such discussions.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62173281848982408712012-10-15T09:00:13.175-07:002012-10-15T09:00:13.175-07:00For example the mother of current Spanish King Car...For example the mother of current Spanish King Carlos was Princess María Mercedes of Bourbon-Two Sicilies, a lady of French, Spanish, Austrian, and Italian ancestry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8853736211880306732012-10-15T08:53:40.398-07:002012-10-15T08:53:40.398-07:00Anybody can say they're Hispanic and there'...Anybody can say they're Hispanic and there's no verification process.<br /><br />I've asked people in academia and they've confirmed that they don't even look at photos of the applicants before deciding who to accept.<br /><br />BTW, much like the English with the many non-English Kings, a lot of the recent Spanish Kings haven't been very Spanish in blood.<br /><br />So if someone is 1/8th Spanish through a King of Spain, there's a chance he'll actually only be something like 1/64th Spanish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62915342568541345452012-10-15T08:14:34.509-07:002012-10-15T08:14:34.509-07:00Steve, I have got to gripe about you and your Inte...Steve, I have got to gripe about you and your Internet fans because I am still fuming.<br /><br />You see, I went out personally with 3 big signs in front of the Supreme Court on Wednesday morning to politely point out that race-based admissions are themselves racist and can we please just consider people based on their character and merit rather than color as MLK told us.<br /><br />I was never so lonely in my life. One old guy showed on my side while hundreds of people from the NAACP and other organizations showed up to represent the position that we need more, you know, legal racism. <br /><br />Ours is the winning side because ours is the side of justice. But you can't win if you don't show up. There was a team of about 20 or so people from the other side (overkill, methinks) who were tasked with standing in front of me and blocking my signs from the press with their own, even though my signs were super polite and just pointed out the hypocrisy. Steve, if you with the height of an NBA center had shown up, you would not have had that problem. I am alas on the short side so I didn't really have a chance, and with a couple of cops milling about I had to be polite while my speech rights were, well, blocked. <br /><br />If there had been just 10 of me, it would have been really effective and that would have won the day over the 200 or so people they had. Our message is the call for simple fairness and an end to treating people differently based on race. The irony is that we have majority support, as evidenced by the AA vote in liberal California. But c'mon, must every last man, woman and child hide out on the Internet? If nobody shows up in person, it doesn't matter how correct your position is. <br /><br />People shouldn't be afraid to show up in person and say simple truths. Everyone is super civil and opposing AA is opposing legalized racism. It is a really easy case to make and opposers of AA hold the moral high ground.<br /><br />(I'd love if you posted this)<br /><br />- Dan in Maryland<br /><br />Dannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89929844940531430302012-10-15T07:21:21.973-07:002012-10-15T07:21:21.973-07:00Stating that no two people are precisely equal (a ...Stating that no two people are precisely equal (a psychiatrist friend used to refer to "the truths people use to lie with"), is code for "we're going to do the math in our head, and won't show the work." That's what the essential request to "trust us" derives from. When you don't have to show your work, the truth can be hidden - even from yourself.Assistant Village Idiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978011985085795099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44954558145294093902012-10-15T06:46:31.408-07:002012-10-15T06:46:31.408-07:00Chad Vader said...
I think a great way to def...<i>Chad Vader said...<br /><br /> I think a great way to defeat AA would be to make it meaningless. By allowing someone who is 1/64th Hispanic can claim to be Hispanic, and no one is checking his actual ancestry, the whole thing becomes just a paperwork exercise.</i><br /><br />Elizabeth Warren has you beat on this by being a Cherokee with 0 Cherokee ancestors.<br /><br />You show us how to make AA meaningless sista'. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11443996719679736732012-10-15T06:27:59.812-07:002012-10-15T06:27:59.812-07:00The contrast between the public and the private is...The contrast between the public and the private is really as stark as it can get. Institutions loudly proclaim their 'diversity' as though it's a major selling point. Privately, people look for the whitest places to live, work and enroll their children. It's quietly understood as a mark of probable quality. The very same people who publicly push the former secretly engage in the latter. I wonder how long this contradiction between people's public utterances and their actual private behavior can last. Perhaps it's a permanent feature of life in the US: to succeed beyond a certain level one must be a complete hypocrite and recite the party line from memory at least once a day.Chicagonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53992910797661202622012-10-15T04:45:03.819-07:002012-10-15T04:45:03.819-07:00Basically they are arguing that the race coefficie...Basically they are arguing that the race coefficient in a regression on the probability of being admitted would be zero. Of course its not. And that would also mean they are indifferent to affirmative action all together and wouldn't mind if the program was banned.sshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70125352652890547582012-10-14T23:40:10.884-07:002012-10-14T23:40:10.884-07:00"Every little bit counts, right?"
Right..."Every little bit counts, right?"<br /><br />Right.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28753020594854344372012-10-14T23:24:56.829-07:002012-10-14T23:24:56.829-07:00I wish Alito or Scalia would ask if they -- or the...I wish Alito or Scalia would ask if they -- or their grandchildren -- count as "Latinos".<br /><br />A small sum is coming your way, Steve. I'll procrastinate, but it will come. Every little bit counts, right? stari_momaknoreply@blogger.com