tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post5351314890257989214..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Are races racist?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33351926617846009232012-07-11T05:25:55.055-07:002012-07-11T05:25:55.055-07:00"in Louisiana, at least, almost a quarter of ..."in Louisiana, at least, almost a quarter of the slaves were owned by other blacks."<br /><br />white slave-owners in the past and youfs today. Generalizing about how not to generalize racially also be raciss."<br /><br />I know someone who traced their ancestry in the gulf area. A female ancestor, five greats back, was black (not mulatto, black), and inherited slaves from her common law, white "husband." She lived into her 90s. Many of her descendents owned slaves right up to the civil war, which bankrupted them. Mulattos owned the biggest slaughterhouse in Mobile, Alabama, as well as much of the hotel property.look againnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82876431355783586172012-07-11T05:14:46.297-07:002012-07-11T05:14:46.297-07:00"And Chinese elites routinely used 'corve..."And Chinese elites routinely used 'corvee labor' to force Chinese masses to labor on stuff like building the Great Wall of China where 100,000s or even millions perished. So, the weak must have gotten weeded out. But Chinese are a bunch of geeks."<br /><br />Korean War. Chinese masses sent US military back across the line. That was tough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29679297329413117822012-07-10T14:37:04.907-07:002012-07-10T14:37:04.907-07:00Is it naive of me (a non-scientist) to think that ...Is it naive of me (a non-scientist) to think that some of these hypotheses about African black genes vs. American black genes could be tested pretty easily with modern research techniques, if someone were willing to fund such research and do it?<br /><br />- A Solid CitizenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53115545240099103302012-07-10T13:43:28.355-07:002012-07-10T13:43:28.355-07:00"Jeremy Wariner was a contender, but I don..."Jeremy Wariner was a contender, but I don't think, at 28, he's got enuf in his tank to beat LaShawn Merritt in the individual 400 meter dash."<br /><br />Wariner was consistently better than Merritt. Both were very slender. Then Merritt got massively jacked all of a sudden and became better than Wariner. Then he got caught and suspended for PEDs. Now his suspension is over and he's still massively jacked. He's also still better than Wariner. He must have better masking agents now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74076155269347737592012-07-10T12:03:32.405-07:002012-07-10T12:03:32.405-07:00"Suppose the USA 300 years back took Vietname..."Suppose the USA 300 years back took Vietnamese slaves rather than west Africans to work the plantations. Suppose they withstood the same sea crossings and subsequent treatment that west Africans did.<br />Does anyone really, seriously believe that such a population 300 years hence would engender a population of track and field, sprinting etc super-stars?"<br /><br />Exactly. Death rates were high for the Chinese who worked on the railroad, and the weak tended to die from exhaustion. And it was even worse for the Chinese back in their homeland who worked under even worse conditions under both their own people and under the Japanese. And Chinese elites routinely used 'corvee labor' to force Chinese masses to labor on stuff like building the Great Wall of China where 100,000s or even millions perished. So, the weak must have gotten weeded out. But Chinese are a bunch of geeks. <br /><br />If anything, at least in the US among New World colonies, many more blacks lived than died than in the Old World of Africa. Instead of a 'weeding out' process, there was a 'feeding in' process. In Africa, many died from starvation, wild animals, disease, and etc. But relatively speaking, many more survived in the US because living conditions even under slavery were far more humane than in Africa. So, if anything, many blacks who would have died in the Old World lived on the US. Of course, not all New World colonies were the same, and not all forms of slaveries were as humane--relatively speaking--as the one in the American south.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42006217969213927982012-07-10T11:55:35.756-07:002012-07-10T11:55:35.756-07:00"One argument seems to concern the high death..."One argument seems to concern the high death rates of the slaves during the Atlantic crossings and trading cruises through the Caribbean."<br /><br />European diseases wiped out maybe 90% of all native peoples of the Americas. Only the toughest and the most resilient survived. Those who weren't killed by disease were pushed off their native lands and had to make treks over long distances to make it to Indian reservations. So, that must have weeded out the weaklings too. But, how come most indigenous peoples of the Americas are not great athletes? <br /><br />The wars, revolutions, and famines in Russia and China wiped out tens of millions in the 19th and 20th centuries. You had to be tough to survive through such horrible times. Yet, how come most Russians and Chinese cannot compete with blacks in sports? <br /><br />Whether selective breeding was practiced or not by whites, it was at best a secondary factor as to why blacks are so tough and strong. It was due to the 100,000s of yrs of evolution in hot/dangerous/primitive Africa. <br /><br />It's like this. If you use selective breeding with beagles to produce the biggest/toughest dogs, it's gonna be less effective than if you try selective breeding with pit bulls or dobermans. <br />If whites had brought Vietnamese or Bolivian Indians to US as slaves, selective breeding might have produced tougher Viets or Bolivians, but they are still not gonna be towering athletes or supertough guys. <br /><br />Also, the reason why the selective breeding theory doesn't wash is because EVERY slave was valuable in the New World. So, even if a slave wasn't the toughest dude in the world, if he could mate and produce MORE slaves, it was good for the slave master.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2666658593775947112012-07-10T11:54:38.621-07:002012-07-10T11:54:38.621-07:00Per 50 shades' question about drudge, the lea...Per 50 shades' question about drudge, the lead story now (1:53 pm cdt) is about Romney being too white.<br /><br />goatweedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72579215832657984892012-07-10T11:47:40.658-07:002012-07-10T11:47:40.658-07:00Focusing on race and sports is like focusing on mi...Focusing on race and sports is like focusing on military and air shows. <br />American fighter jets are the best and put on the best air shows, but is that what really counts? No, what really counts is American military force can smash nations all over the world. <br /><br />Similarly, who cares if a black guy can run fast, jump high, or whatever on the sports field? The fact is blacks in real life are gonna use their physical advantage to jump you in the real world. <br />Blacks you see jumping high have relatives who will jump you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65784407238010953772012-07-10T10:40:23.729-07:002012-07-10T10:40:23.729-07:00Jimmy Snyder was right. In Louisiana before the Ci...<i>Jimmy Snyder was right. In Louisiana before the Civil War, some slave-owners bred their strongest and most hard-working males and females just like they bred horses.</i><br /><br />No, that never happened. You would be hard-pressed to find a single documented case of systematic slave breeding in the American South.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76160929162247187192012-07-10T09:48:48.588-07:002012-07-10T09:48:48.588-07:00I am not sure why superior black speed/strength wo...I am not sure why superior black speed/strength would be tied to slave breeding. I would think slave owners would want moderately healthy and strong men but not bucks who are naturally more aggressive and could easily overcome them. In addition wouldn't this sort of thing be part of official farm records? Easily proved or disproved?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58474037211775314472012-07-10T09:01:55.245-07:002012-07-10T09:01:55.245-07:00It's what blacks do with their superior streng...<i>It's what blacks do with their superior strength on the streets that really matter.</i><br /><br />Yes, like the "superior" NFL cornerback Ty Law who got chased down by a fat cop:<br /><br />http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1785289Camlostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82535037191190180342012-07-10T08:06:58.635-07:002012-07-10T08:06:58.635-07:00The key thing that would have weakened any selecti...The key thing that would have weakened any selective breeding of Black slaves (as well as plain natural selection under the condition of slavery in the Americas) was that new slaves were constantly coming in. Intermixing of FOB slaves with long-time ones would have diluted any new traits accumulated here.<br /><br />That said, I'll be highly surprised if some changes did not occur among the American slave population.JayManhttp://jaymans.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51876426021733068732012-07-10T07:44:46.851-07:002012-07-10T07:44:46.851-07:00"Blacks & superior strength".
Uh ha..."Blacks & superior strength".<br /><br />Uh have you looked at who dominates strongman competitions? Its nordic/slavic white europeans. Blacks have fast twitch muscle fibers for short bursts of energy but they get gassed really fast generally over long periods.<br /><br />Blacks on the street attack in packs, which accounts for a lot of the brutality. Its why gun control is just an attempt to disarm the great equalizer against wildings since not everyone can be a strongman .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35691983404222466662012-07-10T07:05:24.575-07:002012-07-10T07:05:24.575-07:00And they were an incredibly productive and valuabl...<i>And they were an incredibly productive and valuable asset, worth more than all of our rails, banks, shipyards, and factories combined.</i><br /><br />I find this claim incredible. If slavery were that productive, the South would have won the war and, rest assured, the advanced economies would have retained slavery.The Anti-Gnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386593803225823789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52084508281117524392012-07-10T06:49:23.335-07:002012-07-10T06:49:23.335-07:00I don't see it. You can't learn much about...I don't see it. You can't learn much about a person's athletic ability by looking at him, and to the extent that slave traders and owners were interested in such things they would have been interested in musclemen, not sprinters. The "they endured slavery" argument doesn't hold water either -- American slaves often lived in better conditions than poor whites, since it was in their owners' economic interest to keep them healthy. The idea that mortality during the Middle Passage might have had some sort of selective effect is vaguely plausible, but I don't see what that would have to do with athletic ability. I just don't see any way their experience in the New World could have selected blacks for athletic ability.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17844821369136093332012-07-10T05:54:07.603-07:002012-07-10T05:54:07.603-07:00How can having long legs and developed fast-twitch...How can having long legs and developed fast-twitch muscle (the main attributes of winning sprinters) possibly correlate with greater chances of survival in a slave ship?<br /> Eve if bastard slave owners did 'breed selectively' why would they breed for running ability?, wouldn't they breed instead for docility and tractibility?, what use is being able to run fast to a cotton picker?<br />As for deaths in slave ships, as I've long intuited slave traders would have tried as hard as possible to minimize deaths in transit (ie treated slaves well), because of economics if nothing else. A dead slave is an economic loss which threatens financial ruin to the trader. A living and healthy slave is profitable ie the reason for the whole business in the first place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40454778364289798382012-07-10T03:24:43.130-07:002012-07-10T03:24:43.130-07:00No longer censorious about sex? Everyone got their...No longer censorious about sex? Everyone got their panties in a bunch over Sandra Fluke's contraception, which I'm happy to pay for. Fewer baby feminists is fine with me.SFGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40359381125706822652012-07-10T02:08:50.037-07:002012-07-10T02:08:50.037-07:00I'm curious about the effect of eugenics on Ba...I'm curious about the effect of eugenics on Barbados, which is arguably the most prosperous black-run nation in the world. Someone hypothesized that being the easternmost British West Indies possession, the plantation owners there got the first pick of the slaves off of the boats. If that were true, would not Barbadans be more athletic than normal? Or did the type of farming on Barbados require the slave-owners to select for intelligence rather than athleticism?Hapalong Cassidynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30114402369119614832012-07-10T02:00:17.750-07:002012-07-10T02:00:17.750-07:00"in Louisiana, at least, almost a quarter of ..."in Louisiana, at least, almost a quarter of the slaves were owned by other blacks."<br /><br />white slave-owners in the past and youfs today. Generalizing about how not to generalize racially also be raciss.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52828704640314028992012-07-10T00:51:25.179-07:002012-07-10T00:51:25.179-07:00One argument seems to concern the high death rates...One argument seems to concern the high death rates of the slaves during the Atlantic crossings and trading cruises through the Caribbean. I've read somewhere that the slavers' crews died at much the same rate - if the cause was infectious diseases, that's not implausible. Do journals of the time make any mention of the surviving crew members being conspicuous for any characteristics?deariemenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74616504259695993732012-07-10T00:41:56.344-07:002012-07-10T00:41:56.344-07:00Look.
Suppose the USA 300 years back took Vietname...Look.<br />Suppose the USA 300 years back took Vietnamese slaves rather than west Africans to work the plantations. Suppose they withstood the same sea crossings and subsequent treatment that west Africans did.<br /> Does anyone really, seriously believe that such a population 300 years hence would engender a population of track and field, sprinting etc super-stars?<br /> No. The Vietnamese simply did not have the genetic substrate to work on in the first place to select for such activities in such a 'short' time. Therefore, it's very reasonable to suppose that the latent talents of African Americans existed, in potential form, thousands of yeras before whitey's slavery was ever devised.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45518476349944269762012-07-10T00:06:54.993-07:002012-07-10T00:06:54.993-07:00Basically, too little time has elapsed fpr any mea...Basically, too little time has elapsed fpr any meaningful 'genetic selction' to have occurred between west African populations in the Americas and in west Africa.<br /> As a baseline, let's say that any given afro-American can trace an ancestry on American soil of 300 years. That's only 12 generations or so.Any reasonable understanding of natural selection and evolutionary theory tells us that basal phenotypical traits that are 'fixed' in the genome by natural selection and an endogenous gene pool accrue exceedingly slowly over countless generations - we're talking of tens of thousands of years here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86271474801672627882012-07-09T23:40:26.531-07:002012-07-09T23:40:26.531-07:00Anyone know whats the deal w/ Matt Drudge switchin...Anyone know whats the deal w/ Matt Drudge switching in the (tres classy) B&W format a few hrs ago? <a href="http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/data/2012/07/10/20120710_011931.htm" rel="nofollow">Before</a> / <a href="http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/data/2012/07/10/20120710_012535.htm" rel="nofollow">After</a><br />Surely all the AM radio hosts will be puzzling over it tomorrow, while Salon.com/DailyKos decry a "Helter Skelter"-style incitement to race war50 Shades of Grayscalenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63178273875011600712012-07-09T23:28:54.463-07:002012-07-09T23:28:54.463-07:00Sports aren't that important. Who cares if bla...Sports aren't that important. Who cares if blacks run faster on the track.<br /><br />It's what blacks do with their superior strength on the streets that really matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64345489629612115592012-07-09T23:26:38.546-07:002012-07-09T23:26:38.546-07:00Whitey: 2+2=4.
You're fired.
Blacky: 2+2=4....Whitey: 2+2=4.<br /><br />You're fired.<br /><br />Blacky: 2+2=4.<br /><br />Stick around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com