tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post5497603858747292814..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: "Katyń"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78671437989882283812008-11-26T15:29:00.000-08:002008-11-26T15:29:00.000-08:00Oh, btw, you really think what we're doing here is...Oh, btw, you really think what we're doing here is debating?<BR/><BR/>That's a laff. A debate requires an open forum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33347267283320611282008-11-25T20:17:00.000-08:002008-11-25T20:17:00.000-08:00"Nazis are just Huns, as are the Germans who spawn...<I>"Nazis are just Huns, as are the Germans who spawned them."</I><BR/><BR/>There's not much point debating someone who's acting deliberately obtuse. You ought to try to find a constructive outlet for your apparent bitterness and rage (and no, this isn't a constructive outlet). <BR/><BR/>- FredAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38198365239386633352008-11-25T19:26:00.000-08:002008-11-25T19:26:00.000-08:00I'm sure Svigor or Ben Tillman will come forward t...<I>I'm sure Svigor or Ben Tillman will come forward triumphantly with some obscure fact such as, "Don't you know Castro was one-eighth Sephardic?"</I><BR/><BR/>"Even Fidel Castro claims he is from a family of Marranos."<BR/>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/24/AR2006092400947.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33851160007303102462008-11-25T18:53:00.000-08:002008-11-25T18:53:00.000-08:00The original mafia of Italy had no problem with ex...<I>The original mafia of Italy had no problem with exploiting fellow Italians.</I><BR/><BR/>Considering that the Mafia was also a Sicilian nationalist organization, they would have no problem at all exploiting Neapolitans, Venetians, Romans, Milanese, etc. Even long after the unification of Italy, the typical lower-class Italian had more loyalty to his region than to Italy as a whole.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68829402569432684162008-11-25T17:50:00.000-08:002008-11-25T17:50:00.000-08:00I don't think the Mafia views itself as a self-con...I don't think the Mafia views itself as a self-consciously Italian organization devoted to the ruin of non-Italians. The original mafia of Italy had no problem with exploiting fellow Italians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27495408659080197932008-11-25T16:31:00.000-08:002008-11-25T16:31:00.000-08:00Regardless of what some might think, enthusiasts f...<I>Regardless of what some might think, enthusiasts for Soviet communism are almost non-existent these days.</I><BR/><BR/>No need for a change of subject.<BR/><BR/><I>I'm sure Svigor or Ben Tillman will come forward triumphantly with some obscure fact such as, "Don't you know Castro was one-eighth Sephardic?"</I><BR/><BR/>Nice dig; and you didn't even have to wait for me or Ben to do anything!<BR/><BR/><I>5. The weakness in the theory that Hollwyood was founded by a self-conscious Jewish cabal is that the Jewish studio founders were also cutthroat competitors with each other. Louis Mayer and Jack Warner would have been only too happy to see each other go out of business.</I><BR/><BR/>You'll have to explain that logic to me; I don't see how your conclusion follows from your argument.<BR/><BR/>Can we say the Mafia wasn't "self-consciously Italian" because of its internal rivalries?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70464620328736605552008-11-25T16:24:00.000-08:002008-11-25T16:24:00.000-08:002. That is not to say that the number of Jews in H...2. That is not to say that the number of Jews in Hollywood is not a factor, but not necessarily the primary factor. <BR/><BR/><I>As previously noted, there are no movies about pogroms (except Fiddler on the Roof, I guess)</I><BR/><BR/>Why make soft porn when you can go hardcore?<BR/><BR/><I>and few about Israel (exceptions being Exodus, made almost fifty years ago, and Munich).</I><BR/><BR/>Why bother with movies about Israel for the goyim? All the goyim need know about Jews can be found in the Holocaust.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41934913030212827062008-11-25T16:14:00.000-08:002008-11-25T16:14:00.000-08:00Jews have been the victims of murder campaigns man...<I>Jews have been the victims of murder campaigns many times. The reason why you see so many movies about the Holocaust -- and not about, say, Russian or Polish pograms -- is mainly because of the unique nature of the perpetrators of the Holocaust. As horrific as mass murder campaigns by Russians, Rwandans or Cambodians are, there isn't much interesting or surprising about them: you expect barbarism from these societies. The Holocaust retains a morbid fascination because the Germans were, unlike the Russians, Rwandans, Turks, or Cambodians, one of the most advanced, cultured societies on earth, and one where -- post emancipation -- Jews were fully assimilated and accepted.</I><BR/><BR/>So what's the explanation for the skew between Nazis and Commies as the villains of history? I ask because I don't see the paradigm you refer to; Nazis are just Huns, as are the Germans who spawned them. I don't watch Holocaust films (might if they paid me) so I can't comment directly (though I doubt the paradigm shows up there much, either).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27571465912039021732008-11-25T16:11:00.000-08:002008-11-25T16:11:00.000-08:00Had the true history of the Yugoslav killings not ...<I>Had the true history of the Yugoslav killings not been unreported by the western media...</I><BR/><BR/>By "true history", I take it you mean the Belgrade-engineered fictions of the Yugoslav secret police and their stooges (e.g. Viktor Novak) that turn every Croat and Bosnian leader into an "unrepentant WWII Nazi", including oddly enough, a decorated Partisan officer?<BR/><BR/>Yeah, right -- that's just super. As if the Serbs haven’t done enough damage to themselves with the horrific (and self-absolving) victimologies they've fabricated to justify their botched land-grabs. No, they now have the likes of you to try and remedy the situation. Given the bang-up job you and others like you have done so far, I suspect the Kosovo Albanians hope you keep right at it.<BR/><BR/>UthredAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47517858353852345542008-11-25T15:35:00.000-08:002008-11-25T15:35:00.000-08:00Where did he say anything about either being 'excu...<I>Where did he say anything about either being 'excusable'? The point is that the Soviets' intent was to murder enough people to be able to subjugate the rest; the Nazis' intent -- in the case of the Jews, Gypsies and other groups -- was to kill every last one of them on Earth. See the difference?</I><BR/><BR/>There's a difference but the other poster didn't identify one, which was my point. The Nazi program, like the Bolshevik program was about "power and control".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79533569935309828742008-11-25T15:29:00.000-08:002008-11-25T15:29:00.000-08:00Svigor is not of German ancestry; he's a Slav. Why...<I>Svigor is not of German ancestry; he's a Slav. Why he is more obsessed with Jews, rather than the Nazis who considered his kind to be subhuman, I don't know. Perhaps a Jew denied him admission to art school in Vienna.<BR/><BR/>Chaim</I><BR/><BR/>Actually, I'm neither. I chose my name before joining Stormfront because I wanted to show solidarity with Slavs, and I liked the little I read about my namesake.<BR/><BR/>I'm American, 17th century origins on my father's side, not as sure how long my mother's side has been here. Mostly English/Dutch/Irish as far as I can tell, but I could pass for a Teuton or a Slav.<BR/><BR/>(and they call racialists superficial; psychoanalyzing me based on an Internet handle!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16312788523547656982008-11-25T15:01:00.000-08:002008-11-25T15:01:00.000-08:00A few observations:1. A major factor in the number...A few observations:<BR/><BR/>1. A major factor in the number of Holocaust movies is that we actually fought a shooting war against the Germans. For the first three decades after World War II there were few Holocaust movies, but there were many World War II movies. Then in the late 1970s-early 1980s there was a transitional period of movies such as The Boys from Brazil and Raiders of the Lost Ark, which featured Nazis as villains but were not about the war per se. Only after that (if not only after Schindler's List) did Holocaust films become common. The Holocaust film genre is an offshoot of an older genre, the World War II movie.<BR/><BR/>2. That is not to say that the number of Jews in Hollywood is not a factor, but not necessarily the primary factor. As previously noted, there are no movies about pogroms (except Fiddler on the Roof, I guess) and few about Israel (exceptions being Exodus, made almost fifty years ago, and Munich).<BR/><BR/>3. Regardless of what some might think, enthusiasts for Soviet communism are almost non-existent these days. Third World communism still has a glamorous reputation among the foolish and malevolent - see the Grade A morons who wear Che shirts and the (fewer) Grade A+ moron diehards who wear Mao shirts. There was not much Jewish influence here. (That is, as far as I know. I'm sure Svigor or Ben Tillman will come forward triumphantly with some obscure fact such as, "Don't you know Castro was one-eighth Sephardic?" or something of the sort.) Soviet Communism does not.<BR/><BR/>4. As others have noted, there have been more than a few Hollywood anti-Soviet movies, from Dr. Zhivago to The Hunt for Red October, although it is true that they rarely focus directly on Stalinism or the Gulag. More recently, despite Lucius Vorenus's little joke about the failure of the movie Admiral (which only cam out six weeks ago) to find a U.S. distributor to date, The Lives of Others not only found one but won the Oscar for best foreign-language film (and beat at least one Holocaust-related film, if I recall correctly).<BR/><BR/>5. The weakness in the theory that Hollwyood was founded by a self-conscious Jewish cabal is that the Jewish studio founders were also cutthroat competitors with each other. Louis Mayer and Jack Warner would have been only too happy to see each other go out of business.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36293652197631499552008-11-25T12:25:00.000-08:002008-11-25T12:25:00.000-08:00"That's a ridiculous attempt at a distinction. "Ra...<I>"That's a ridiculous attempt at a distinction. "Racial extermination per se" is itself "about power and control" and thus excusable in your book."</I><BR/><BR/>Where did he say anything about either being 'excusable'? The point is that the Soviets' intent was to murder enough people to be able to subjugate the rest; the Nazis' intent -- in the case of the Jews, Gypsies and other groups -- was to kill every last one of them on Earth. See the difference?<BR/><BR/>- FredAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24529606227036976672008-11-25T08:31:00.000-08:002008-11-25T08:31:00.000-08:00slaughter of Polish elites or the democide of the ...<I> slaughter of Polish elites or the democide of the Ukrainian peasants was awful, but it's logic was different. It was about power and control, as all communism was, and not about racial extermination per se.</I><BR/><BR/>That's a ridiculous attempt at a distinction. "Racial extermination per se" is itself "about power and control" and thus excusable in your book.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45512259530796258392008-11-25T03:51:00.000-08:002008-11-25T03:51:00.000-08:00People of Jewish descent often bill themselves in ...People of Jewish descent often bill themselves in the West (and in the US especially) as being more advanced morally, having a greater understanding of suffering and human nature, and being more sensitive to the injustice that happens to others. This deeper understanding supposedly comes from the suffering they - or more often - their ancestors suffered under the various regimes they lived under.<BR/><BR/>I have talked to numerous non-jewish, university-educated people in the West who will often break out in tears when discussing this elevated sence of morality and suffering that Jewish people experience. They identify with Jewish suffering as if it was their own suffering. The empathy that people feel towards Jews in the West is not really seen anywhere else in the world, especially in Muslim, African, and East Asian countries - where Jews are either side-notes or the enemy. <BR/><BR/>So what makes the West so different? This is the interesting question. Pro-semites will quickly point out that it is because Europeans have caused more crimes against the Jews and now they feel the guilt - and yet they remain silent on the topic of why there are no significant jewish communities/power in Muslim/East Asian/African societies and they also remain silent with regards to the crimes Jewish people committed against their European neighbours in various functionary roles such as the NKVD.<BR/><BR/>The question of why European youth has identified with the suffering of another group over their own suffering is one of the most significant questions of our time. And yet it is rarely discussed. Notice then that this psychic empathy that Euros feel towards Jews is then transfered onto the suffering of others as well - for example the injustice of black slavery and Arab crusade wars. These groups then use this process to gain physical space and political power in European countries.<BR/><BR/>Is the European youth weak and over-powered or is the European youth doing something else? Perhaps for the first time in human history the people of an advanced civilization saw it as a noble deed to truly repent. Perhaps there was an opening for human kind to do something beyond the tribal. <BR/><BR/>As it stands the West is being overrun by non-enlightened barbarians and jewish hollywood keeps pumping out more propaganda. One of these days the European youth will realise that their gesture was for nothing. The window of opportunity for human kind will close. I give us less then 100 years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17668112287775433872008-11-24T23:53:00.000-08:002008-11-24T23:53:00.000-08:00What, no one's calling Steve a vile racist for say...What, no one's calling Steve a vile racist for saying that all those damn Polish actors look alike to him?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88218641562738606152008-11-24T23:49:00.000-08:002008-11-24T23:49:00.000-08:00anony-mouse,You can purchase a German translation ...anony-mouse,<BR/>You can purchase a German translation of "200 Years Together" no problem here in Germany. I don't sense there being any censure about it, and Germany is known to be under the boot in terms of the publication of anything anti-semitic. They just put people in jail for that. So nobody would publicly distribute such a book if it were so evil. My impression is that European and Israeli Jews are much more realistic and open to criticism than the lobby organizations in the US. I dunno why. You can have frank and open conversations with Israeli Jews even if you disagree with them. They are really very open to criticism and make great conversation partners as long as you stay reasonable. I don't understand what's going on in the US.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33046014326708689872008-11-24T19:53:00.000-08:002008-11-24T19:53:00.000-08:00The Holocaust/Holodomor dynamic is a great exposer...The Holocaust/Holodomor dynamic is a great exposer of hidden leftist racism and other bigotries.<BR/><BR/>The corporate left (including a good many so-called progressives and liberals) side with the European Jews of the 1940s against evil Nazis - but they never side with Israel.<BR/><BR/>You would think also that the leftists would also rightly see Ukrainians, Poles, Kazakhs, etc. as victims of Soviet colonialist imperialism. Not a chance!<BR/><BR/>Instead leftists (whether Jewish or not) follow the plans of Soviet and even post-Soviet Russian imperialism so closely. This is also a politically correct way for them to be racist without seeming so.<BR/><BR/>For leftists, the strip of land between Germany and Russia is full of "feral serfs" that need commie missionaries to civilize them. Otherwise, the natives will be Boratesque Jew-eating gypsy-eating heathen nationalists.<BR/><BR/>If the Russians, under any regime, happen to be Jew-eating nationalists, that is excusable for leftists. After all, Russia needs to assert its independence from Western capitalist banks.<BR/><BR/>Holy hypocrisy, Batman!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23986696273878322402008-11-24T18:23:00.000-08:002008-11-24T18:23:00.000-08:00I just read t99's big comment. As always, he turne...I just read t99's big comment. As always, he turned reality on its head. If something was white, he called it black, if something was short, he called it tall, if something was vertical, he called it horizontal. <BR/><BR/>If he had no clue at all, as some here have claimed, then you'd expect his inventions to have a pretty random relationship with reality. But since his inventions are the exact opposite of observed reality, you've got to figure that, subconsciously at least, he understands the truth about some of these things. <BR/><BR/>Just an observation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74189006274864037682008-11-24T18:18:00.000-08:002008-11-24T18:18:00.000-08:00Anonymous: "Finkelstein identified two dividends J...Anonymous: "Finkelstein identified two dividends Jewish Americans enjoy courtesy of the promotion of Holocaust awareness- "victim status and immunity to criticism." No one in America should be beyond criticism ..."<BR/><BR/>Good point, especially when Finkelstein's arguments did not exactly endear him to the academic powers that be:<BR/><BR/>http://chronicle.com/news/article/2462/depaul-rejects-tenure-bid-by-finkelstein-and-says-dershowitz-pressure-played-no-roleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54146599057949838652008-11-24T18:14:00.000-08:002008-11-24T18:14:00.000-08:00The argument that Poles and other Slavs were not t...The argument that Poles and other Slavs were not targeted by Hitler for extermination the way Jews were is incorrect.<BR/><BR/>The way that victim groups are compelled to compete for "victim status" by displaying their wounds is repelling, but perhaps there is no other way when a dominant victim group excludes any other sufferers.<BR/><BR/>For the historically minded, here is one good place to start:<BR/><BR/>http://www.amazon.com/Forgotten-Holocaust-German-Occupation-1939-1944/dp/0781809010/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1227578915&sr=1-1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13236357024100495972008-11-24T18:12:00.000-08:002008-11-24T18:12:00.000-08:00Holocaust fatigue...Former Israeli Foreign Secreta...Holocaust fatigue...<BR/><BR/>Former Israeli Foreign Secretary Abba Eban once observed: "There's no business like Shoah business." Peter Novick’s The Holocaust in American Life and Norman Finkelstein’s The Holocaust Industry can help us better understand the prominent position the Holocaust has captured in the American consciousness. Novick's main points are that the promotion of the Holocaust has served several specifically Jewish interests: particularly support for Israel, combating anti-Semitism and now promoting multi-culturalism. Finkelstein's point is that it's not about money, it's about more money, and the real victims aren't getting it. Both books are also very critical of Elie Weisel’s role in the promotion of the Holocaust as a unique event "beyond understanding." In his book, Finkelstein quotes Israeli writer Boas Evron, "Holocaust awareness is actually an official, propagandistic indoctrination, a churning out of slogans and a false view of the world, the real aim of which is not at all an understanding of the past, but a manipulation of the present." Finkelstein identified two dividends Jewish Americans enjoy courtesy of the promotion of Holocaust awareness- "victim status and immunity to criticism." No one in America should be beyond criticism ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54723623068946548362008-11-24T17:53:00.000-08:002008-11-24T17:53:00.000-08:00Hi Steve Burton:I enjoy your blog :-) I'm afraid ...Hi Steve Burton:<BR/><BR/>I enjoy your blog :-) <BR/>I'm afraid I'm not sure what you mean... I have no idea what class my ancestors officially belonged to when they lived in the USSR in the 30's (though I do know that a few lost their property when Lenin came to power and a few spent time in labor camps). Certainly I couldn't tell simply by looking at my extended family now.<BR/><BR/>Also, no doubt you know that the Nazis targeted people of Jewish descent, not just followers of Judaism...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38860334705973117492008-11-24T17:13:00.000-08:002008-11-24T17:13:00.000-08:00"Post war hoax"? Nah...aint no such thing!"Post war hoax"? Nah...aint no such thing!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90596358612514647112008-11-24T17:04:00.000-08:002008-11-24T17:04:00.000-08:00chekvb: are class distinctions somehow more "abstr...chekvb: are class distinctions somehow more "abstract" than religious distinctions?<BR/><BR/>I would have thought precisely the opposite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com