tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post5579551462360077138..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: PISA: Students with iPads score worseUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22532738035627067552013-12-21T14:01:29.221-08:002013-12-21T14:01:29.221-08:00Steve, I'm surprised you haven't mentioned...Steve, I'm surprised you haven't mentioned the LAUSD's $600+m iPad boondoggle. Somehow the LAUSD managed to buy iPads for more than what Amazon, or Best Buy charge.dsgntd_plyrhttp://twitter.com/dsgntd_plyrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53462039108897285272013-12-21T00:23:41.794-08:002013-12-21T00:23:41.794-08:00"No more having ones college professor parent..."No more having ones college professor parents straining to make room for the 24 volume Encyclopedia Britannica, the Oxford dictionary and your little sister as the family takes months long summer trips across country by car to visit relatives"<br /><br />In retrospect that was a virtue. Observing my own children - kids these days have access to too much information and far too easily. Correspondingly information is worth much less to them. It seems to me harder today for children to develop deep passions about specific subjects because there is always some other direction in easy reach. Peter the Sharknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21376846600738793222013-12-20T20:16:48.457-08:002013-12-20T20:16:48.457-08:00I speak Swedish, and since it is closely related t...I speak Swedish, and since it is closely related to Danish, it is easy for me to read the source article. There is a related graphics info which shows that access to just about all technical stuff is positively correlated to good PISA scores, except for Ipads/tablets. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65583784693206203962013-12-20T15:15:21.278-08:002013-12-20T15:15:21.278-08:00Who actually uses ipads, for derb and his racist f...Who actually uses ipads, for derb and his racist friend:<br />http://betanews.com/2012/01/18/ipad-invades-the-enterprise/<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65209881453208801232013-12-20T14:24:52.670-08:002013-12-20T14:24:52.670-08:00You're funny, Jason.
I guess "life" ...You're funny, Jason.<br />I guess "life" is just one big distraction, by your definition.<br />I guess we should all just be warehoused in little box cubicles. (Plato's Cave? The Matrix?) That'll keep us "committed".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15775133622603745602013-12-20T13:37:22.390-08:002013-12-20T13:37:22.390-08:00Just like it's easier to commit to your wife w...Just like it's easier to commit to your wife when you can't easily pick up a waitress, so it's easier to commit to math homework or careful reading when you can't just switch to watching Tosh.o or skimming a BuzzFeed list. There's a reason why the best students are still found in the library.. and married men who hang out in bars always end up divorced.<br /><br />The depth and stability of your attention <i>depends</i> on the attractiveness of the alternatives and the costs of switching. Ipads increase choice and decrease switching costs, so it's not exactly a surprise that those who own them have a harder time committing their attention long enough to comprehend complicated concepts and arguments. <br /><br />Distractibility is easy to combat once you notice its causes, but noticing ain't easy.Happy Birthdayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13187440757648381636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1231015683228143072013-12-20T12:30:59.536-08:002013-12-20T12:30:59.536-08:00Anyone remember this story a couple of years back ...Anyone remember <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/silicon-valley-school-no-computers-in-classrooms/" rel="nofollow">this story</a> a couple of years back about the Silicon Valley high school that banned computers in classrooms?Dave Pinsenhttp://twitter.com/dpinsennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88321917784219729502013-12-20T10:43:51.011-08:002013-12-20T10:43:51.011-08:00How long until California declares the $1B iPad ex...How long until California declares the $1B iPad experiment a failure, Steve?Big Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59798294398594025152013-12-20T10:41:56.106-08:002013-12-20T10:41:56.106-08:00I found the red pill on the internet, starting wit...I found the red pill on the internet, starting with La Griffe du Lion. <br /><br />I thank God for the Internet and spend hours a day (on average) learning and shaking the cultural programming.<br /><br />I do not watch TV. At all. The dead, burnt body shows and perverted sex shows and reality exploitation shows now make me uncomfortable if not nauseous. <br /><br />I am recovering my humanity and intellect using the internet.Socratesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82952059527453484352013-12-20T10:25:10.468-08:002013-12-20T10:25:10.468-08:00I think computer usage, at least internet usage, a...<i>I think computer usage, at least internet usage, as most of us do it makes you "dumber."</i><br /><br />I agree. As a teen, I played hours and hours of Avalon Hill-style wargames. Having to not only read and learn legalistic rules that could stretch into the dozens of pages, I had to understand their implications and contrive ways to exploit them. I also learned to calculate odds and consider best-case and worst-case outcomes. These skills, learned while my brain was still forming, have stuck with me all my life.<br /><br />Today's teens playing wargames mostly learn how to fiddle their thumbs really fast. <br /><br /><br /><i>Typing may be faster on a word-count basis, but you can't organize your thoughts well. Can't connect ideas by drawing arrows, making tables, or adding margin notes. Eventually one drifts into a mode of unthinking pseudo transcription as opposed to carefully considered summation/synthesis.</i><br /><br />I agree. Despite being a very fast typist, I refuse to take notes on a laptop for this very reason. <br /><br />Paul Mendeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80677300212304497332013-12-20T09:03:07.923-08:002013-12-20T09:03:07.923-08:00Steve:
ham gangene rigtig er ikke?
Sorry, Steve-...Steve:<br /><br />ham gangene rigtig er ikke?<br /><br />Sorry, Steve--my Denmarkian is a little rusty--too long unused, I guess.<br /><br />I went to the article but couldn't make out whether it was based on their experience or something observed elsewhere (or more widely).Gene Bermannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90890298112546032622013-12-20T08:49:09.283-08:002013-12-20T08:49:09.283-08:00Anonymous:
"ordinary kids and ordinary smart...Anonymous:<br /><br />"ordinary kids and ordinary smart kids--but not me."<br /><br />See--it's made you dumber already!Gene Bermannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23121915151621034782013-12-20T08:03:25.615-08:002013-12-20T08:03:25.615-08:00"Digital divide" has a new meaning for m..."Digital divide" has a new meaning for me, since . . .<br /><br />A few months ago I was visiting a friend, a high-functioning super-smart Ivy League grad youngish mildly-Aspergerish computer geek who makes a nice living as an independent consultant cutting code for Wall Street firms. We pulled out laptops to look some stuff up. (He, Mac; me, PC.)<br /><br />In a conversational lull I asked him whether he owned a tablet, an iPad or such. <br /><br />His response startled me, given his youth and background. "iPads are for African Americans." Only he didn't exactly say "African Americans."John Derbyshirehttp://www.johnderbyshire.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33004326063146767992013-12-20T07:34:56.572-08:002013-12-20T07:34:56.572-08:00My dad taught philosophy at a major American unive...My dad taught philosophy at a major American university for three or four decades and observed a decline in essay writing(***) quality in concert with the rise of word processors. I think his general thesis was that they made writing too easy. Students didn't bother with a well thought-out outline, and wrote sloppily while thinking that they would come back and easily correct (which they didn't do).<br /><br />(*** He thought that the form and quality of the essay was much more important than the particular philosophical content; ie. that it was ultimately a more useful tool for the the student in the long run to know how to think about and argue any particular point)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50185066334198657782013-12-20T06:20:14.644-08:002013-12-20T06:20:14.644-08:00the early 70s college fad of using a tape recorder...<i>the early 70s college fad of using a tape recorder to take notes?</i><br /><br />a friend kept asking, wouldn't be better to bring a cassette...[then you don't have to listen, and you'd have to spend an equal amount of time listening to it]. he completed a total of one course, with a gentleman's D.<br /><br />But it seemed like such a good idea. carolnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25367527851017145512013-12-20T06:11:59.107-08:002013-12-20T06:11:59.107-08:00"I've noticed my attention span is far sh..."I've noticed my attention span is far shorter than before the internet. It's harder for [me] to read complex nonfiction or do needlework in silence."<br /><br />I notice that my attention span is far shorter while reading the internets, but that's because most of the stuff on the internets is bilge and doesn't deserve my full, undivided attention.<br /><br />There are exceptions, though. Steve Sailer's commentary is worth a close read, as are the political commentaries of bloggers like Heartiste (though his love-life advice is for dumb), et al. Also, I have no problem focusing closely on a nonfiction book, so long as the author truly has something to say and doesn't digress into status-whoring concern trolling re globalclimatewarmingchange and/or sodomite gayrriage and/or Reagan-bashing, etc.yerwrongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10430319456719850582013-12-20T06:02:47.775-08:002013-12-20T06:02:47.775-08:00"I can see ordinary kids and ordinary smart k..."I can see ordinary kids and ordinary smart kids doing better with bone-dry pencil and paper and Kaiser Bill type education - but not me."<br /><br />You would have sucked antiirregardless of whatever tech you had back in the '70s.yerwrongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42204642898116870962013-12-20T05:58:26.753-08:002013-12-20T05:58:26.753-08:00In other news, students who use a scooter to get a...In other news, students who use a scooter to get around on campus have weaker legs than students who use their legs to get around on campus. Duh?<br />durfur maximurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81483792714379836592013-12-20T05:22:21.634-08:002013-12-20T05:22:21.634-08:00Just to pile on: I too notice my attention span. ...Just to pile on: I too notice my attention span. I suspect its related to the internet, but I also suspect it is 1)I'm getting older, so my brain is less good, or 2) I'm getting older, so I have less patience for tedium.<br /><br />When reading, my inner conversation is now 'get to the point, already'. Age related grumpiness or age related failure to process information or internet trained attention deficit disorder? I just don't know.<br /><br />anonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78396729703088916252013-12-20T00:17:47.352-08:002013-12-20T00:17:47.352-08:00Is anyone old enough to remember the early 70s col...Is anyone old enough to remember the early 70s college fad of using a tape recorder to take notes? It worked reasonably well for humanities and social science courses, but not anything else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59207457702480684372013-12-19T22:53:05.228-08:002013-12-19T22:53:05.228-08:00Saw this in law school. Everyone started w/ lapto...Saw this in law school. Everyone started w/ laptops but a significant number switched to pen & paper. <br /><br />Typing may be faster on a word-count basis, but you can't organize your thoughts well. Can't connect ideas by drawing arrows, making tables, or adding margin notes. Eventually one drifts into a mode of unthinking pseudo transcription as opposed to carefully considered summation/synthesis.<br /><br />It's an ineffective crutch for many, dare I say most.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40619481673396027492013-12-19T22:38:38.316-08:002013-12-19T22:38:38.316-08:00Could this be the basis of a lawsuit? Adults crip...Could this be the basis of a lawsuit? Adults crippled as children by iPads vs Apple. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70273479495100582552013-12-19T22:05:53.466-08:002013-12-19T22:05:53.466-08:00Sunbeam, I've noticed my attention span is far...Sunbeam, I've noticed my attention span is far shorter than before the internet. It's harder for new to read complex nonfiction or do needlework in silence. I need it for work, but I've been seriously considering going otherwise offline at least two days a week. Anony Mousenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69433568037820627152013-12-19T21:06:31.330-08:002013-12-19T21:06:31.330-08:00Hilarious how gullible you people are.Hilarious how gullible you people are.Marconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26515053609701532392013-12-19T21:06:20.751-08:002013-12-19T21:06:20.751-08:00So is LA still going to spend the billion or so on...So is LA still going to spend the billion or so on supplying iPads to all its students?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com