tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post5873506528171657583..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Hispanics not working out for Catholic ChurchUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40538504616253472232014-05-07T08:02:48.899-07:002014-05-07T08:02:48.899-07:00""""""If asians are ...""""""If asians are christianizing the best colleges in America as in the post above, that could lead to conflict with the jewish and liberal atheist elite who currently dominate these institutions.""""""""<br /><br />Not necessarily. Jews do not like to appear as racist so, much in the same way that they tend to not comment upon blacks' religiosity in general, they would probably tend to ignore the religiosity in Asians as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75204404508170432532014-05-07T08:00:42.170-07:002014-05-07T08:00:42.170-07:00""""""Another thing ...""""""Another thing that hurt Christianity in Japan was that bulk of the Christian Daimyos and populations were in the western part of Japan that suffered heavy casualties during the Imjin Wars (Toyotomi Hideyoshi's invasion of Korea).<br /><br />Tokugawa Ieyasu sat out that war pretty in the east and then defeated the western faction at the Battle of Sekigahara after Hideyoshi's death and the Japanese retreat from Korea. And Ieyasu wasn't a fan of Christians (even though he was Nobunaga's close ally before Nobunaga's death by treachery).<br /><br />He and his line intensified Hideyoshi's persecution of Christianity pretty hard after the Shogunate was established. But a small number of "Kirishitans" survived and maintained their faith secretly:""""""""<br /><br /><br />Some of these events are covered in Kurosawa's epic Kagemusha film (winner of Cannes Film Festival's highest award for director). In the film, Tokugawa has a Cardinal's hat in his rom and speaks Latin (the Christian phrase for the trinity, in the name of the father, son, holy ghost) and amen'.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />"""""""But it's pointless to extrapolate anything from the Japanese experience to the rest of Asia--they are just as inscrutable to other Asians as they are to us."""""""<br /><br /><br />Well, then perhaps today some more missionaries could be sent over to Japan in an attempt to convert them. Could be a challenge, but the church has always been up to meet the challenge.<br /><br />After all, if Christianity could survive in China and even in North Korea, then Japan can't fare any worse for the trying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39095255203912947132014-05-07T04:17:30.087-07:002014-05-07T04:17:30.087-07:00If asians are christianizing the best colleges in ...If asians are christianizing the best colleges in America as in the post above, that could lead to conflict with the jewish and liberal atheist elite who currently dominate these institutions. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56920937499314130452014-05-06T23:55:33.609-07:002014-05-06T23:55:33.609-07:00By the way, Asians at Ivy League universities have...By the way, Asians at Ivy League universities have made the latter much more evangelical than ever before and may perhaps explain the hostility that Jewish administrators have toward Asian students:<br /><br />"In the past twenty years, many traditionally white campus religious groups have become Asian American. Today there are more than fifty evangelical Christian groups at UC Berkeley and UCLA alone, and 80% of their members are Asian American. At Harvard, Asian Americans constitute 70% of the Harvard Radcliffe Christian Fellowship, while at Yale, Campus Crusade for Christ is now 90% Asian. Stanford's Intervarsity Christian Fellowship has become almost entirely Asian."<br /><br />https://nyupress.org/books/book-details.aspx?bookid=10096<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91685219697099650532014-05-06T23:48:52.242-07:002014-05-06T23:48:52.242-07:00Christianity missed its narrow window of opportuni...<i>Christianity missed its narrow window of opportunity in Japan (circa 1550-1600) but actually came close. The Jesuits arrived at a time when both Shinto and Buddhism were comparatively weak in Japan (after an age of scandals) and managed to crack double-digit percentages in terms of population converted. It was the Tokugawa reaction which clamped down on all "foreign" religions.</i><br /><br />And of course, those Jesuits came with other Iberians who traded arquebuses to Christian Daimyos/warlords. It revolutionized Japanese warfare during the Sengoku period ("Warring States").<br /><br />It also helped that a lot of local Buddhist sects were heavily armed and were a thorn to various Daimyos. Oda Nobunaga in particular waged a savage total war against some of the sects. By the way, it was Nobunaga who pioneered the technique of rotating volley firing for arquebusiers in Japan. The famous Battle of Nagashino was where the finest cavalry of the fearsome Takeda clan was mowed down by Oda clan's arquebusiers. It's often considered one of the most pivotal battles in Japanese military history.<br /><br />Another thing that hurt Christianity in Japan was that bulk of the Christian Daimyos and populations were in the western part of Japan that suffered heavy casualties during the Imjin Wars (Toyotomi Hideyoshi's invasion of Korea).<br /><br />Tokugawa Ieyasu sat out that war pretty in the east and then defeated the western faction at the Battle of Sekigahara after Hideyoshi's death and the Japanese retreat from Korea. And Ieyasu wasn't a fan of Christians (even though he was Nobunaga's close ally before Nobunaga's death by treachery).<br /><br />He and his line intensified Hideyoshi's persecution of Christianity pretty hard after the Shogunate was established. But a small number of "Kirishitans" survived and maintained their faith secretly:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Christians_of_Japan<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90969966867963343622014-05-06T23:29:21.324-07:002014-05-06T23:29:21.324-07:00Here in a Midwest town that's 1% Hispanic (no ...Here in a Midwest town that's 1% Hispanic (no more than 4% of the Catholic population), it's the nice white ladies and the liberal priests who insist on having a Spanish Mass. The Hispanics themselves never would have asked for it or tried to organize anything.<br /><br />Incidentally, those same liberal priests and nice white Boomers opposed having a Latin Mass, even though that's universal and is how the Church used to serve all cultures and languages instead of fracturing to try to please each one.Cail Corishevhttp://cailcorishev.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29234335930990607002014-05-06T23:27:00.997-07:002014-05-06T23:27:00.997-07:00North Korea, once the Pyongyang regime falls, will...<i>North Korea, once the Pyongyang regime falls, will also be a prime growth area. 70 years of Communism have obliterated all traces of Buddhism or Confucianism, leaving it virgin mission territory. Even now, most Americans seem unaware that *South* Korea has undergone the biggest religious shift of any developed country in the world since WW2--from supermajority Buddhist/Confucian, to majority Christian (even a Catholic plurality) in two-and-a-half generations. Remarkable, when you think about it.</i><br /><br />Most Americans are also probably unaware that South Korea has the second largest Christian missionary "force" after the United States. They are everywhere, including in Afghanistan and Iraq (ill-advisedly if you asked me, but I respect their zeal).<br /><br />However, your stats are a bit off. South Korea is a plurality Christian country (stats vary but roughly 25-35% of South Koreans are Christians), but unlike people of other faiths there, Korean Christians have high participation rates. Among the Christians, Protestants (many of them "evangelicals") are the majority, not Catholics. But Catholicism is growing fast in Korea.<br /><br />There is a small but rapidly growing underground Christian movement in NORTH Korea. I know the people who undertake secret missions into North Korea via China. They take INCREDIBLE risks for evangelization.<br /><br />And, of course, a large majority of Korean immigrants to the United States are Christians. I live in Northern Virginia where I see Korean Protestant churches seemingly every other block. There is also an entire Catholic parish that is specifically Korean.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84029488341608082952014-05-06T21:05:56.600-07:002014-05-06T21:05:56.600-07:00You highlight China and Korea as prominent example...<i>You highlight China and Korea as prominent examples of growing Christian numbers. You left out an important Asian nation in the equation...JAPAN. The total percentage of Christians in Japan is about two percent. There have been Christian communities in Japan for as long as China and certainly before Korea and yet it has made few inroads into the island nation as a whole...All these centuries and yet Japan remains uninterested in converting in large numbers to Christianity, even though they do have Japanese Christian communities. 'Tis a puzzlement, a puzzlement.</i><br /><br />Only a puzzlement if you haven't read much history. Bottom-line: Christianity missed its narrow window of opportunity in Japan (circa 1550-1600) but actually came close. The Jesuits arrived at a time when both Shinto and Buddhism were comparatively weak in Japan (after an age of scandals) and managed to crack double-digit percentages in terms of population converted. It was the Tokugawa reaction which clamped down on all "foreign" religions.<br /><br />But it's pointless to extrapolate anything from the Japanese experience to the rest of Asia--they are just as inscrutable to other Asians as they are to us.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62371904466698796352014-05-06T20:56:04.607-07:002014-05-06T20:56:04.607-07:00I call BS on the Irish bishop's nephew. Look ...I call BS on the Irish bishop's nephew. Look at the number of recent Hispanic bishops in California. Half the dioceses are led by Spanglish-spouting Mexican-origin bishops. Jaime Soto of Sacramento hasn't internalized that the Anglos fund the weekly collection and the annual appeal. I am tired personally of the half-assed pandering to the Hispanics, with readings and prayers in Spanish when 2/3 of the congregation is white and speaks English. I refuse to contribute to anything other than the parish essentials and St. Vincent de Paul's efforts to feed the hungry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1472240062668219102014-05-06T19:18:17.445-07:002014-05-06T19:18:17.445-07:00"""""Indeed, the wrong vi..."""""Indeed, the wrong view of science constantly betrays itself in the desire to be right.""""""<br /><br /><br />Yes, Karl Popper's famous quote. But will you also apologize to Nicholas Wade as well?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4808887308339193442014-05-06T17:21:18.899-07:002014-05-06T17:21:18.899-07:00"Back to stating the Gouldian assumptions and..."Back to stating the Gouldian assumptions and on the eve of science writer Nicholas Wade's book that takes apart many of your cherished held assumptions."<br /><br />You know what, I would like to apologize to Idle Spectator for my rant. Indeed, the wrong view of science constantly betrays itself in the desire to be right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38060428006761649732014-05-06T16:53:57.509-07:002014-05-06T16:53:57.509-07:00"The Spanish culture, which is admittedly not..."The Spanish culture, which is admittedly not the same as the Mexican culture is responsible for the Jesuits and Opus Dei."<br /><br />And the Dominicans! (O.P., not D.R.) James Kabalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02335302113772004687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83913823665456695072014-05-06T14:51:00.663-07:002014-05-06T14:51:00.663-07:00The Spanish culture, which is admittedly not the s...The Spanish culture, which is admittedly not the same as the Mexican culture is responsible for the Jesuits and Opus Dei. <br /><br />If America attracted more upper middle class Hispanics would it also get more organised Catholics (and anti-clericals) coming through?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59055823640760653122014-05-06T14:11:19.321-07:002014-05-06T14:11:19.321-07:00"Kind of a not-so-secret secret in my neck of...<i>"Kind of a not-so-secret secret in my neck of the woods is how Catholic parishes are segregating."</i><br /><br /><i>"Mr. Ospino finds a relatively high level of participation in church sacraments, but a low level of participation in other aspects of parish life".</i><br /><br />True on both counts around here. Mine is a big, active parish doing lots of Masses every weekend. There's a huge Latin American population, but if you never went to the afternoon Spanish Mass, you'd never guess it. The KofC is mostly old white guys, though there's a tiny sprinkling of "diversity" among the contingent of local cops who've joined. I think the head of the parish youth group is either first- or second-generation South American, but she looks as European as they come and speaks without any hint of an accent. I've been to the Spanish Mass a handful of times because I wanted to sleep late, and I once chatted about the Rosary with a Colombian gentleman, but other than that, we live separate existences. It's not the worst situation in the world, by any means, but neither does it say much for the magic of "assimilation".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29951269640119822732014-05-06T13:52:49.473-07:002014-05-06T13:52:49.473-07:00Tom Piatak: These [Slovak] immigrants founded a C...Tom Piatak: <i>These [Slovak] immigrants founded a Catholic parish in 1887, and they and their children founded seven more Roman Catholic parishes and two Byzantine Catholic parishes in Cleveland over the next forty years, in addition to founding a Benedictine abbey and a high school for boys. By and large, these parishes were staffed by Slovak priests and the parish schools were staffed by Slovak nuns and the funding for them was provided by the immigrants themselves. The Slovak immigrants came from a world where life revolved around the village church and the leading authority figure was the parish priest. This experience inspired them to build churches and schools once they came to America, just as similar experiences inspired other Catholic immigrants to undertake comparable efforts all over the country.<br /><br />Today's immigration is different. Hispanic Catholics are not funding a boom of new Catholic churches and schools.</i><br /><br />The old Catholic immigrants funded schools and hospitals. The new Catholic immigrants bankrupt schools and hospitals.<br /><br />I have to laugh at the way my local Catholic (and other Christian) churches fall all over themselves doing "Hispanic outreach". There just aren't that many Hispanic immigrants in the city, but every church seems to offer Spanish services, has prominently displayed dual-language notice boards for everything, and Spanish-language ones for their outreach programs. It's a SWPL-y sort of place, and I often have a comic vision of the Nice White Ladies of both sexes in these churches viciously competing for the very limited numbers of status-enhancing prize Mexicans and Central Americans available.Rohan Sweenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53255457068249540252014-05-06T13:20:00.114-07:002014-05-06T13:20:00.114-07:00"The Catholic Church in America was built int..."<i>The Catholic Church in America was built into a powerhouse in the first half of the 20th Century by the organizational and political talents of Irish-Americans...</i>"<br /><br /><br />The legendary Irish-American skill at politicking is very strange from a long-term historical perspective. Before the early 19th Century, Irish politics tended to be fractious and backstabbing- hence the (probably apocryphal) line from George Bernard Shaw- "<i>Put an Irishman on the spit and you can always get another Irishman to turn him</i>". The English never had much trouble using the "Divide and Conquer" approach. In that context, the emergence of Daniel O'Connell and his mass-movements for Repeal and Catholic Emancipation is something sudden and unexpected. Was it really all the result of one man's organizational genius? Did the decades of oppression under the Penal Laws breed a new level of solidarity amongst Irish Catholics? Or was that the period during which the level of inbreeding dramatically declined? Probably all three? I have no idea, but it seems like an important question. In any case, Irish-Americans flooded into American cities with lots of pre-existing experience in how to create and maintain effective political machines.<br /><br /><br />"<i>It is likely that many of the bishops view today's immigration through the experience of their own forebears, and there is little doubt that past immigration benefited the Catholic Church.</i>"<br /><br />Irish-Americans who fall victim to this Ellis Island mythology are being particularly obtuse. While the Irish were viewed with suspicion from some quarters for their Catholicism, the reality is that the Irish were extremely well-suited to integrate into 19th century America. Ireland had been politically linked with England, though certainly not fully integrated, since the late 12th century, and Irish missionaries were visiting England as early as the 630s AD. In 1850, Ireland was probably 50% English-speaking, and its legal system was totally based on English Common Law (Gaelic Brehon law having been extinguished around 1610 or so). <b>Anglophone America getting immigrants from Ireland in 1850 isn't like America getting immigrants from Mexico or Nigeria in 2014; a closer comparison would be something like Iceland getting immigrants from Finland, or Germany getting immigrants from Poland.</b> Different peoples, sure, but not so different that they've never met each other in a thousand years.<br /><br />But hey, Thomas Nast caricatured your great-great-grandfather by giving him a monkey's face in 1875, so I guess that means you have a moral duty to never, ever express skepticism about any immigrant from anywhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70162350321669431142014-05-06T11:23:07.769-07:002014-05-06T11:23:07.769-07:00I'm not sure where you got the idea that Amer...I'm not sure where you got the idea that American Catholic bishops (as opposed to Italian Renaissance prelates) are commonly succeeded by their nephews.James Kabalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02335302113772004687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31104045900525643272014-05-06T11:01:05.869-07:002014-05-06T11:01:05.869-07:00""""""A previous com...""""""A previous commenter had it right: the meaningful Church growth in the 21st c. is going to be in Asia, specifically, China, not the superficial Christianity of LatAm and Africa."""""""<br /><br />That's nice.<br /><br /><br /><br />"""""Once we reach the tipping point around 2030 when there are more observing Christians in China than in the US, look for the latter to be even more vilified by the MSM than today, as "fifth columnists" """"""""<br /><br /><br />You highlight China and Korea as prominent examples of growing Christian numbers. You left out an important Asian nation in the equation.<br /><br />JAPAN.<br /><br />The total percentage of Christians in Japan is about two percent. There have been Christian communities in Japan for as long as China and certainly before Korea and yet it has made few inroads into the island nation as a whole.<br /><br />And they especially won't listen to any Korean missionaries coming to Japan to attempt to convert them.<br /><br />All these centuries and yet Japan remains uninterested in converting in large numbers to Christianity, even though they do have Japanese Christian communities.<br /><br />'Tis a puzzlement, a puzzlement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38704840011115826792014-05-06T10:55:31.449-07:002014-05-06T10:55:31.449-07:00""""The good news is that the ...""""The good news is that the incidence of babies born to teenage mothers has been on the decline for two decades."""""""<br /><br />Yes, that is true. There is a lower incidence of babies born among white mothers.<br /><br />But you have to finish the thought.<br /><br /><br />""""The bad news, according to a recent U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study, is that of the 350,000-plus teen births the national still sees annually, one out of five of them is a repeat pregnancy. In other words, babies are being born to teenage mothers who already have at least one baby, and sometimes more."""""<br /><br /><br />To finish the thought, the African-American total percentage of babies born out of wedlock (and in many, many cases, without any knowledge of whom their biological father actually is) the total percentage hovers around 80%.<br /><br />This trend is not on the decline by any means. If it continues unabated by the year 2024, the total percentage of all African-Americans born out of wedlock (and without any direct knowledge of whom their actual father is) will be on the cusp of hitting 90%.<br /><br />That's ninety percent out of 100, or nine out of every ten blacks on the street that grew up without a father at all in their lives, and, in most cases, do not not for certain the identity of their biological father.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27085420820089139712014-05-06T06:52:27.125-07:002014-05-06T06:52:27.125-07:00A previous commenter had it right: the meaningful ...A previous commenter had it right: the meaningful Church growth in the 21st c. is going to be in Asia, specifically, China, not the superficial Christianity of LatAm and Africa.<br /><br />Once we reach the tipping point around 2030 when there are more observing Christians in China than in the US, look for the latter to be even more vilified by the MSM than today, as "fifth columnists".<br /><br />North Korea, once the Pyongyang regime falls, will also be a prime growth area. 70 years of Communism have obliterated all traces of Buddhism or Confucianism, leaving it virgin mission territory. Even now, most Americans seem unaware that *South* Korea has undergone the biggest religious shift of any developed country in the world since WW2--from supermajority Buddhist/Confucian, to majority Christian (even a Catholic plurality) in two-and-a-half generations. Remarkable, when you think about it.<br /><br />(John Knox, e.g., is read more today in Korean translation than in English anywhere, let alone in Scotland)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5632139017010798312014-05-06T06:18:58.541-07:002014-05-06T06:18:58.541-07:00Steve, how does it fit into your Asian-white-Hispa...<i>Steve, how does it fit into your Asian-white-Hispanic-black rankings that blacks have historically done a much better job of creating self-help organizations and institutions, from advocacy groups to colleges and scholarships to cemeteries?</i><br /><br />It's the legacy of Jim Crow. Mexicans can just get their help from "White" institutions or the taxpayer.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70013630998798537492014-05-06T05:56:02.994-07:002014-05-06T05:56:02.994-07:00The good news is that the incidence of babies born...The good news is that the incidence of babies born to teenage mothers has been on the decline for two decades.<br /><br />The bad news, according to a recent U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study, is that of the 350,000-plus teen births the national still sees annually, one out of five of them is a repeat pregnancy. In other words, babies are being born to teenage mothers who already have at least one baby, and sometimes more.<br /><br />The CDC report goes on to say that most of these young women report using birth control. But the overwhelming majority of them relied on less effective forms of contraception, such as condoms or other over-the-counter products. Researchers believe tens of thousands of these pregnancies could be prevented, and parenthood delayed to a more responsible, appropriate age, if these teens had better access to more reliable forms of contraception – doctor-prescribed birth control pills, implants, patches or IUDs.<br /><br />The state with the highest incidence of repeat teen pregnancies? Texas – where 22 percent of teens under 20 who give birth have already had at least one child.<br /><br />Is this the same Texas, you ask, that threw away millions in funding for women’s health services in order to wage jihad against Planned Parenthood, the largest provider of low-cost reproductive care in the state?<br /><br />Proof that Hispanics don't<br /> help Catholics or social conservatives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23860101961443860452014-05-06T04:51:28.063-07:002014-05-06T04:51:28.063-07:00My personal observation is that churches with Trid...My personal observation is that churches with Tridentine masses and a standard of dress are growing while the parishes that pander to Hispanics with Spanish mass are shrinking.<br /><br />White people prefer wearing suits to Mass (or at least slacks and a polo) while the Hispanics are fine plopping in ten minutes wait in flip flops and a GOT BLUMPKIN? t shirt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23323341386897756712014-05-06T03:54:50.216-07:002014-05-06T03:54:50.216-07:00Guesses on Hispanic^K^K^K Mexican under-performanc...Guesses on Hispanic^K^K^K Mexican under-performance vs blacks.<br /><br />1. As many have mentioned, white patronage<br />2. Head start--American blacks have had about 150 years to get stuff together. Chico and the MAn notwithstanding, the average Mexican-in-America is second-generation or so. <br />3. It's easier for elite Mexicans to assimilate, so while that smart personable Joseph "Joe" Jackson III is a deacon at the AME church and is on the committee at the local Boys and Girls Club and golfs with his Alpha Phi Alpha brothers, the smart, personable Jose "Joe" Gonzalez coaches soccer in the suburban youth league and golfs with his Phi KAppa Psi brothers.<br /><br />--Discordiax<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91147824787074346482014-05-06T03:16:16.991-07:002014-05-06T03:16:16.991-07:00Is there a lot of Santa Muerte in LA? Seeing more...Is there a lot of Santa Muerte in LA? Seeing more bumper stickers and the like in Chicago. <br />roundeyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14134002062962448706noreply@blogger.com