Comments on Steve Sailer's iSteve Blog: AEY's Awful Afghan Ammo: Is it an affirmative acti...

A heavily armed soceity where everybody's packing ...

2008-03-31T08:02:00.001-07:00

A heavily armed soceity where everybody's packing heat is usually going to be a gang society (like Somalia).

You make a decent point, but let's all own up to the fact that blacks in general are not capable of responsible firearms ownership. This is at the heart of the American "gun violence problem."

I'd say there's something like AA for wealthy, pow...

2008-03-31T07:55:00.000-07:00

I'd say there's something like AA for wealthy, powerful people (networks of connections that get you into jobs/internships/schools, legacy admissions, friends of the family that will make your life easier in some jobs, etc.), and that at one point this was largely benefiting WASPs.

But all ethnic groups do this, and WASPs seem to do it less than most. But the whole point of AA is that it's state-sponsored; where are the WASPs taking advantage of AA?

After all, "all groups do it (take advantage of AA)," right?

svigor: I'd say there's something like AA for wea...

2008-03-30T19:52:00.000-07:00

svigor: I'd say there's something like AA for wealthy, powerful people (networks of connections that get you into jobs/internships/schools, legacy admissions, friends of the family that will make your life easier in some jobs, etc.), and that at one point this was largely benefiting WASPs. But never exclusively, and that group has plenty of Jews, Catholics, Asians, and a fair number of blacks and hispanics and what-have-you now. Obama's kids will have advantages that my kids will never have, by virtue of who their parents are and who they'll grow up knowing.

You should file it under 'anti-semitism', conseque...

2008-03-30T13:15:00.000-07:00

You should file it under 'anti-semitism', consequences of'. Had anti-semitism not forced the Jews into the disarmed ghettos Sailer mentioned, they could have walked around with swords and learned to be as polite as your average European Christian soccer fan.

Sailer's theory doesn't hold water; Middle-Easterners generally display the same traits he attributes to Jews. They brought their baggage with 'em.

And Jews created the ghettos themselves. It's astonishing to me how this isn't obvious to everyone (Israel, anyone?).

As for disarming them, well, that's the price paid by (uninvited) guests; the Israelis don't even let in guests.

That [AA] will be taken advantage of by opportunis...

2008-03-30T13:11:00.000-07:00

That [AA] will be taken advantage of by opportunistic people is an inevitability given the distorted incentives it presents to people.

That's a mutation of the old liberal saw, "there's good and bad in all groups."

Um, yeah, but around here we want to know how much.

Where's the WASP AA? (and by that I don't mean to imply there is none; find it and show it to us)

Dollmaker: "You guys are too tough on this family....

2008-03-29T22:29:00.000-07:00

Dollmaker: "You guys are too tough on this family. His grandmother was a Holocaust survivor. So, back off...."

I thought you were joking at first. But you're not. That's scary.

Let me say this as simply as possible: EVERY living Jew is a Holocaust survivor. And that fact has no moral implications for us.

Dollmaker: "You guys are too tough on this family....

2008-03-29T20:18:00.000-07:00

Dollmaker: "You guys are too tough on this family. His grandmother was a Holocaust survivor. So, back off:"

Im sure you are familiar with the term 'get out of jail free card'.

Im just wondering how many generations the 'holocaust defense' applies for. Is there some sort statute of limitations? Will my grandchildren be ripped off and have to let it go because the criminal has a great great grandparent who survived the holocaust.

And of course Grandad Diveroli would never lie about such a thing, not being from such an upstanding family. Oops best lay off him, he is a holocaust survivors husband after all.

Grandad Angelo Diveroli is 72, does anyone know how old Grandma Diveroli is?

Yeah, AA is a bad policy all around. But the one ...

2008-03-29T18:33:00.000-07:00

Yeah, AA is a bad policy all around. But the one case where you can almost see it is for American blacks, especially in the 70s, when there was a lot more immediate history of genuine bust-their-heads sort of legal racism. The problem is, once we accepted it for this one case (still a bad idea, but kinda understandable), it had to extend to everyone. The policy intended to more-or-less compensate some guy for keeping his great grandfather picking cotton under a whip, and keeping his dad from voting or getting a decent education, instead ends up "compensating" some guy whose parents immigrated from Mexico or Europe to get away from poverty or genocide at home, even though the US either had nothing to do with the problems or actively helped fix them.

And once the programs are in place, they're classic interest group operations. There's a group that knows who it is, and that benefits $X from the programs, and that group is willing to spend $X-1 to keep the programs in place. And is also willing to call people the nastiest names imaginable to keep the programs in place. It's easier to get rid of nuclear waste than a government program with a self-identified group that knows it relies on that program and is willing to fight dirty to keep it. (Just ask the next farmer you meet.)

Anonymous: In fact, I believe that they not only o...

2008-03-29T17:53:00.000-07:00

Anonymous: In fact, I believe that they not only oppose Israel but have been known to associate with pro-Palestinian groups. Or maybe that's a different anti-Zionist ultra-Orthodox group.

Like I said in another post, the only government s...

2008-03-29T15:58:00.000-07:00

Like I said in another post, the only government small business contracting set aside in the whole racket not close to meeting its quota is Service-disabled Veteran-owned.

That's basically the only one for white guys, and implies actually having done something (having a military caused disability), and not just receiving a handout. Go figure.

Juan (et al),Satmars are one type of Hasidim. The ...

2008-03-29T15:44:00.000-07:00

Juan (et al),

Satmars are one type of Hasidim. The Botach/Boteach family are part of the "Habad" movement -- although it appears that sexy Shmuely has broken with them, precisely over the issue of mixing with gentiles, and not Hassidics.

OK, it seems the Diverolis are Roman; so bag the Albanian theory.

One note: the Diverolis themselves are not Hasidic. One look at Efraim proves that. In any case the Roman Jews are not Hasidic. Hasidim are Ashkenazi - Eastern European by definition. And they don't marry out, except for some Chabad types - who are unusual in that way, because there are so many "returnees" to Orthodox Judaism among them.

It gets kind of complicated.

I spend some time in Lakewood NJ (home to the larg...

2008-03-29T15:43:00.000-07:00

I spend some time in Lakewood NJ (home to the largest rabbinical college in the US) and also in the hospitals that serve that population. Many of the women having babies are on Medicaid or NJ Family Care because their husbands are rabbinical students for years. Offsetting that expense to the taxpayers, they send their children to private schools

I admit to a sense of envy of their community when I see the families on the street - the solidarity of ethnicity, religion, culture, purpose and values is palpable there.

"filed under 'anti semitism, origins of'"You shoul...

2008-03-29T15:38:00.000-07:00

"filed under 'anti semitism, origins of'"

You should file it under 'anti-semitism', consequences of'. Had anti-semitism not forced the Jews into the disarmed ghettos Sailer mentioned, they could have walked around with swords and learned to be as polite as your average European Christian soccer fan.

I would not be surprised if Ronald Reagan knew wha...

2008-03-29T14:42:00.000-07:00

I would not be surprised if Ronald Reagan knew what the outcome would be when he gave them disadvantaged status. He probably figured it would take 30 years or so before the whole AA mess could be dismantled.

re: the syrian jews, i think they'd fall under the...

2008-03-29T11:22:00.000-07:00

re: the syrian jews, i think they'd fall under the camp of 'modern orthodox,' though as sephardic jews the ashkenazi flavored terminology doesn't apply easily. also, not all non-modern orthodox are hasidic, some are non-hasidic (many of the litvak jewish communities). finally, the peculiar SES numbes for hasidic jews are not because of exogenous structural constraints, but a conscious choice by the community to separate itself from mainstream american norms & values.

Affirmative action is simply a scandal in toto. Th...

2008-03-29T10:37:00.000-07:00

Affirmative action is simply a scandal in toto. The Jewish ownership of AEY is irrelevant. Affirmative action should be done away with -- for everyone. That it will be taken advantage of by opportunistic people is an inevitability given the distorted incentives it presents to people.

According to Wikipedia, the Satmar Hasidim are ant...

2008-03-29T10:36:00.000-07:00

According to Wikipedia, the Satmar Hasidim are anti-Zionist (they think the Jews should have waited for the Messiah to give them back Israel, and not fought for it) and, ironically, refuse to accept any government aid from Israel.

Juan

When a high-school student mentions religion in a ...

2008-03-29T10:12:00.000-07:00

When a high-school student mentions religion in a graduation speech in Texas, that's an example of Congress establishing a religion. And the Courts forbid it.

When Congress and the executive branch send billions to the Jewish state of Israel, generally give Israel's interests poriority over those of this nation, and make Hasidic Jews legally superior to other religious groups, that's just fine.

You guys are too tough on this family. His grandmo...

2008-03-29T09:42:00.000-07:00

You guys are too tough on this family. His grandmother was a Holocaust survivor. So, back off:

Angelo Diveroli, who immigrated to the U.S. from Rome after World War II, said his grandson came from an upstanding Jewish family that encouraged him to study his faith as well as weaponry. Efraim Diveroli had attended a yeshiva, an Orthodox Jewish school, in Jerusalem.

The elder Diveroli had seen his family in Italy persecuted during the war. His wife was a Holocaust survivor from Poland. "So, you know what kind of family we come from," he said. "We're not a family of gangsters."

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miami_dade/story/473146.html

http://www.jacksonville.com/apnews/stories/032808/D8VMGMK00.shtml

"There is no legitimate reason these people should...

2008-03-29T07:50:00.000-07:00

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There is no legitimate reason these people should be on this list of affirmative action candidates and they should be removed as such immediately."

There is no legitimate reason for ANY KIND OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION. It's an invitation to corruption & scandal.

I wonder if the Diveroli family is Albanian. Italian Jews are, if Northern, educated and intellectual. If Southern, they are poor but honest. I think they may have migrated (like other Italains) to Albania, and picked up the local habits.

Hasidim are virtually all Ashkenazi. Something here doesn't add up. Let's keep digging.

filed under 'anti semitism, origins of'Of course a...

2008-03-29T07:42:00.000-07:00

filed under 'anti semitism, origins of'

Of course any politician who dared consider revoking this status would be akin to stoking the coals at Auschwitz.

Out here on the East Coast the Hassidim have made plenty of friends: in poor/working class minority towns they have all their homes declared temples so they don't pay property taxes (thats after having their own school district within the town) so the other townspeople have to pick up the tab and they cannot of course even enjoy so much as Christmas tree in public..

and lets not forget the crown heights riots when one hit a black kid with a car a hassidic ambulance whisked him away and left the black kid to die.

oh did I mention amublances - they have fake ones they use to ignore traffic and skate past cars during rush hour.

Can't imagine why people hate them, i mean, why them?

Question for those who know more about blogger tha...

2008-03-29T06:59:00.000-07:00

Question for those who know more about blogger than I do: Is it possible to have the same comments page associate with multiple posts? Because Steve has written about four posts on this same subject in the last 24 hours, and it would be nice if he could set it up so they all went to the same comments page.

Oh yeah, nice work Steve and Anonymous.

I dugg this blog post hereThis would be like Mitt ...

2008-03-29T06:46:00.000-07:00

I dugg this blog post here

This would be like Mitt Romney (except they have MORE money than Mitt) getting preference in bidding because he is a Mormon.

this is not even close to the fiasco that is the d...

2008-03-29T05:36:00.000-07:00

this is not even close to the fiasco that is the department of housing and urban development.

that's a CABINET level department where BILLIONS disappear every single year.

the federal government could cut it's size in half and nobody would notice.

don't even get me started on "hispanic". creating that fake category will cause major problems in the future.

If we are going to be wasting public monies on the...

2008-03-29T05:08:00.000-07:00

If we are going to be wasting public monies on the Middle East "Peace Process" (excuse me while I fall out of my chair laughing, ahem), we might as well let some sleazy Americans get a cut so they can siphon off some of that money back into the US economy.

Do people still get to call themselves Hasidic if they are non-observant? I guess the Federal Government doesn't care if it's an ethnic not religious qualification.