tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post643982838937107735..comments2024-03-29T05:14:33.223-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Generational shameUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58324287384683747792012-12-18T22:00:23.539-08:002012-12-18T22:00:23.539-08:00Nazi engineers? They were not nazis. These are ass...Nazi engineers? They were not nazis. These are assumptions without evidence. Do your homework and quit making an ass of yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34644708443280428202011-09-20T18:29:46.456-07:002011-09-20T18:29:46.456-07:00We could reach the moon, but why would we want to?...We could reach the moon, but why would we want to? It's rather desolate. It only happened in the 60s to show up the russian.<br /><br />The real benefit to mankind has always come from low earth orbit, with a few in medium and high.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72230351492051615032011-09-18T01:39:59.403-07:002011-09-18T01:39:59.403-07:00"The next time we hear about this program wil..."<i>The next time we hear about this program will be when it has been cancelled.</i>"<br /><br />[Newsflash, Feb. 2013, Washington.] President Obama today issued executive order 1098, mandating the full integration NASA "to reflect the diversity of our country".<br /><br />Newsflash, 2016: New rocket program cancelled for lack of progress. Institutional Racism blamed. Experts call for more diversity to solve problem.Hailhttp://hailtoyou.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19163982468340709012011-09-17T21:34:15.790-07:002011-09-17T21:34:15.790-07:00There are extremely intelligent people throughout ...<i>There are extremely intelligent people throughout the World, independent from NASA, trying to figure out cold nuclear fusion or how to produce antimatter in large amounts because this is what would be required for interplanetary travel, and they have failed.</i><br /><br />Where's it written that we need cold fusion or industrial-scale antimatter to make interplanetary travel feasible?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18497794165974998442011-09-17T18:19:58.228-07:002011-09-17T18:19:58.228-07:00we can puts a man on the moon but we still gots ra...<i>we can puts a man on the moon but we still gots racism!</i><br /><br />You beat me to it; I was going to say how pithy I found SBDL's aphorism, "we gave up going to Mars so that we could pay for BRA."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55006843672080388962011-09-17T04:09:16.250-07:002011-09-17T04:09:16.250-07:00It is pathetic the replies in this thread. Especia...It is pathetic the replies in this thread. Especially the guy trying to correct that dude on syllogism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91422363778786193842011-09-16T19:22:59.747-07:002011-09-16T19:22:59.747-07:00More pee ceeness at Keith Cowling's NASAwatch ...More pee ceeness at Keith Cowling's NASAwatch today:<br /><br /><i></i><br /><a href="http://nasawatch.com/" rel="nofollow">Interesting NASA Exploration Ideas - With Some Added China Bashing</a><br /><br />( Actually, the PDF file to which Keith refers ain't very interesting, aside from the artwork in question --DD )<br /><i><br />...<br /><br />There is one problem I [ Keith Cowling, Mr. NASAwatch.com ] have with this document - and it has to do with one specific graphic (page 28 - larger view). Had the author noted that China's plans for the Moon should not spur us to do things out of fear or paranoia or something like that, I'd agree. But using an image that shows a Taikonaut on the lunar surface, planting the flag of the PRC while trampling an American flag is troubling. Are there really people inside NASA who think like this - enough that they go out of their way to create and use a provocative image like this? Alas, China-hater Rep. Frank Wolf will just love this chart.</i><br /><br />Alas the horror, Keith! Artwork on one slide showing Chinese astronauts on the Moon stomping on our beloved flag. How shamefully insensitive.David Davenporthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03315090179595817174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29193577290014222242011-09-16T19:01:31.140-07:002011-09-16T19:01:31.140-07:00The dirty secret is that Werner von Braun and his ...<i>The dirty secret is that Werner von Braun and his team of Nazi rocket scientists ... Of course this fact never did fit the US narrative, which is why these guys were kept in backrooms.</i><br /><br />9/16/11 9:45 A<br /><br />Herr Headache,<br /><br />Why are our continually so anti-American? Does your Amerika bile arise from a Red or a Brown point of view, might I ask? I'm not referring to Baron von Braun in this context.<br /><br />As for those guys being kept in the dark: von Braun was and is a household name in the USA. I remember seeing him on the Walt Disney Sunday night TV show several times when I was a kid, talking up space exploration with Ole Walt. <br /><br />Kind of like Arnold Schwarzenegger, except that I don't think there was any gossip about Werner cheating on his wife.<br /><br />But there were seventy one (71) other Deutschlanders who came to the USA with von Braun -- Project Paperclip is what the US Army called this group. Most of them stayed here to work on the space program in the 1950's and 1960's.<br />There was no plot to keep the names or existence of these other men secret. <br /><br />Perhaps von Braun could be accused being like Steve Jobs -- one the celebrity face of NASA rocketry, the other Mr. Apple Computer, both seeming to get credit for every good thing that happened at their respective organizations.<br /><br />How many of their names can you name, Headache? <br /><br />From <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_German_rocket_scientists_in_the_US" rel="nofollow">List_of_German_rocket_scientists_in_the_US</a><br /><br />Operation Paperclip scientists<br /><br />( photo )<br /><br />Wernher von Braun and his team in the fall of 1959. At the time, von Braun and his associates worked for the Army Ballistic Missile Agency in Huntsville, Alabama. Those in the photograph have been identified as Ernst Stuhlinger, Frederick von Saurma, Fritz Mueller, Hermarn Weidner, Erich W. Neubert (partially hidden), W.A. Mrazek, Karl Heimburg, Arthur Rudolph, Otto Hoberg, von Braun, Oswald Lange, General Bruce Medaris, Helmut Hoelzer, Hans Maus, E.D. Geissler, Hans Hueter, and George Constan.<br /><br />( another photo )<br /><br />Wernher von Braun in 1961 with members of his management team. Pictured from left to right are, Werner Kuers, Director of the Manufacturing Engineering Division; Dr. Walter Häussermann, Director of the Astrionics Division; Dr. William Mrazek, Propulsion and Vehicle Engineering Division; Dr. von Braun; Dieter Grau, Director of the Quality Assurance Division; Dr. Oswald Lange, Director of the Saturn Systems Office; and Erich W. Neubert, Associate Deputy Director for Research and Development.<br /><br />Operation Paperclip scientists<br /><br />Rudolph 'Rolf' Ammann<br />Rudi Beichel [4]<br />Werner Dahm [5]<br />Konrad Dannenberg<br />Kurt H. Debus<br />Ernst R. G. Eckert<br />Krafft Arnold Ehricke<br />Ernst Geissler<br />Dieter Grau<br />Walter Häussermann<br />Karl Heimburg<br />Otto Hirschler[6]<br />Helmut Hoelzer<br />Hans Hueter<br />Wilhelm Jungert<br />Georg ("George") Emil Knausenberger [7]<br />Heinz-Hermann Koelle<br />Hermann H. Kurzweg [8]<br />Hans Maus<br />Fritz Mueller [9]<br />Willy Mrazek<br />Erich W. Neubert<br />Theodor A. Poppel<br />Eberhard Rees<br />Gerhard Reisig [10]<br />Georg Rickhey[11]<br />Werner Rosinski [12]<br />Ludwig Roth<br />Arthur Rudolph<br />Harry Ruppe<br />Friedrich von Saurma<br />August Schulze<br />Walter Schwidetzky<br />Ernst Stuhlinger<br />Bernhard Tessmann<br />Adolf Thiel<br />Wernher von Braun<br />Albert Zeiler<br />Theodor Karl Otto Vowe<br />Georg von Tiesenhausen<br /><br />[edit]after Operation Paperclip<br /><br />Walter Dornberger<br />Hermann Oberth<br />Jesco von Puttkamer<br />Guenter WendtDavid Davenporthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03315090179595817174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25827352435702400812011-09-16T17:56:50.008-07:002011-09-16T17:56:50.008-07:00Our anonymous SWPL troll thinks that whats holding...Our anonymous SWPL troll thinks that whats holding Mexico back was the horrors of Spanish colonisation.<br /><br />Well, what would Mexico be like now, if it were only discovered today?<br /><br />We cant really answer but there is a chance that it would be no different than before the Spanish arrived. And no, it wouldnt have its own space program.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67759784783073406482011-09-16T16:08:25.653-07:002011-09-16T16:08:25.653-07:00" whereas the Mexicans have nothing to show f..." whereas the Mexicans have nothing to show for themselves. "<br /><br />Granted it was long long ago, but maize, chile, chocolate, etc were all cultivated by the Aztecs or Olmecs or whoever. Mezoamerica really was a great center of agriculture.stari_momaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88972604977281505672011-09-16T11:58:35.036-07:002011-09-16T11:58:35.036-07:00Let me ask you this: Do you have any idea what Eng...<i>Let me ask you this: Do you have any idea what England looked like in the early 19th century? Go read Dickens' novels and you'll see how the majority of the almighty white en lived like less than two hundred years ago. London, Sheffield or Birmingham in 1850 makes Mexico City seem like Oslo in comparison. You make it seem like the immigrants who came from Europe were a bunch of geniuses. They were the garbage of Europe. They were the people who couldn't make it there. The Irish left Ireland because they were starving. The Germans who came to America were ostly from the Rhine region and were poor peasants without land. THE EUROPEAN IMMIGRANTS WHO CAME TO THE U.S WERE NO BETTER THAN MEXICANS.</i><br /><br />And the founders saw themselves among the best. "God sifted a whole nation that he might send choice grain over into this wilderness."<br /><br />If we presume that the average IQ of your newcomer Europeans is higher than present day Mexicans such does not preclude inequality, as there will be the more capable and the less capable around this average among them. IQ tests were around 100 years ago and do show that even in those dark times newcomer whites scored higher than Mexicans do today.<br /><br />As well, in the intervening centuries our living standard has risen dramatically such that our poorest class has material gadgetry far exceeding that available to kings of old. Any picture of the lower class of those days will be quite sensationalistic.<br /><br />Indeed, all the "German" achievements may be said to have developed natively, whereas the Mexicans have nothing to show for themselves. Accounting for outside influences, the Mexicans have been given even more today with all our modern technology and done even less.Difference Makernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55883533214441880352011-09-16T10:28:42.292-07:002011-09-16T10:28:42.292-07:00Anonymous (11:24pm) said...
A syllogism is a logi...Anonymous (11:24pm) said...<br /><br /><i>A syllogism is a logically fallacious argument that contains two premises that lead to a possible conclusion that is wrong. I fail to see what's wrong with the way I phrased it here. Maybe I expressed myself incorrectly. English is not my first language. I do the best I can.</i><br /><br />I admire that you are trying to engage in high-level discussions in a foreign language. However, you are not doing well.<br /><br />A syllogism (a Greek word, by the way) is a valid form of deductive argument, see the <a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/medieval-syllogism/" rel="nofollow">Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.</a> Claiming that it is a fallacy even after you have been corrected makes you look stupid. The canonical example of a syllogism is:<br /><br />P1 - All men are mortal<br />P2 - Socrates is a man<br />C - Therefore, Socrates is mortal<br /><br />This form of reasoning was bequeathed to the West by Aristotle, and it would be big news if it were to be found faulty.<br /><br />Also, you should definitely avoid saying things like:<br /><br /><i>my profession demands that I use logic on a high level on a daily basis.</i><br /><br />I understand why this seems like a good way to bolster your argument, but to American ears, it makes you look like a pretentious buffoon.<br /><br />You might want to look into the internet meme called <a href="http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=10643" rel="nofollow"> "I am aware of all internet traditions"</a> and reflect on the fact that Americans find it to be very funny.Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33335699665098824202011-09-16T10:03:43.063-07:002011-09-16T10:03:43.063-07:00Steve Sailer said...
The Soviet space race design...Steve Sailer said... <br /><i>The Soviet space race designers, like Korolev, deserve a lot more fame than they have.</i><br><br />the thinking heads behind the soviet space program were...surprise German Nazi rocket engineers! xcept they were not volunteersheadachenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37449871805605264632011-09-16T09:45:43.831-07:002011-09-16T09:45:43.831-07:00The dirty secret is that Werner von Braun and his ...The dirty secret is that Werner von Braun and his team of Nazi rocket scientists were the brain behind the Saturn launch vehicle, which had a flawless performance, almost unheard of in rocketry. Of course this fact never did fit the US narrative, which is why these guys were kept in backrooms.headachenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91910114803189168872011-09-16T08:46:25.935-07:002011-09-16T08:46:25.935-07:00"The Soviet space race designers, like Korole...<i>"The Soviet space race designers, like Korolev, deserve a lot more fame than they have. To accomplish so much in such a frustrating environment..."</i><br /><br />Yes. And for those of us (me) with no scientific background or inclination, listening to the music of Shostakovich will trigger a similar level of appreciation. To think that someone could compose this in the bleakness of the Soviet Union in the 1950's is simply amazing:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDW4VJGKLAQ" rel="nofollow">Romance from The Gadfly</a><br /><br />Pasternak's <i>Doctor Zhivago</i> is another marvel from that same era.Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65455271053192863292011-09-16T07:00:22.374-07:002011-09-16T07:00:22.374-07:00"The 1960s were an exception to the general 1..."The 1960s were an exception to the general 1945-to-present trend of bullying."<br /><br />I was a skinny, smart girl in glasses in the 70s who was too weak to hit the volleyball over the net. So I was always, humiliatingly, picked last in gym because I made the team lose.<br /><br />But on current events day or spelling bee day, the jockettes fought over me. Because I made their team win.<br /><br /><br />The solution to nerds being bullied by jocks is more academic competitions. When the jocks are at the disadvantage and the nerds are the stars of the team, some surprising friendships get formed.<br /><br />But for there to be more academic competitions would require schools to actually throw a few resources at their "mission" -- to educate --rather than at their true priority, keeping young thugs from burglarizing empty houses in the daytime.JSMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39999753849407440962011-09-16T01:28:38.810-07:002011-09-16T01:28:38.810-07:00The Soviet space race designers, like Korolev, des...The Soviet space race designers, like Korolev, deserve a lot more fame than they have. To accomplish so much in such a frustrating environment...Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15469901695249169372011-09-16T01:23:02.394-07:002011-09-16T01:23:02.394-07:00Anon., much of what you say about IQ was exploded ...Anon., much of what you say about IQ was exploded some time ago or else is convincingly disputed. For cites, look around this website or Google someone like Rushton.<br /><br />>How can you prove that higher [IQ] scores translate into higher GDP growth?<<br /><br />IQ is so far the best measurable proxy of g; and dummies don't create, accumulate, or (on average) long keep capital. That you claim to need a double-blind study et al. to see this speaks poorly for your erudition, and yes, for your intelligence as well.<br /><br />As to manners, you started braying ad homs with your first comment. You weren't exactly looking for respectful debate in the first place.<br /><br />To sum up: you are ignorant, not very bright, hostile, and insecure. All the things that make most NAMs so endearing. You're not really on any team there at NASA that does the hard science you speak of, are you? Considering your revealed mentality, it's difficult to avoid concluding that you're an AA hire, Ph.d notwithstanding. And some sort of Hispanic nationalist as well (i.e., a La Raza-ite), since this post made no mention of immigration or Mexicans (I rather thought it implied blacks, myself) and you immediately went there, rather incomprehensibly. These things are not admirable. They deserve scorn, and scorn is what you're getting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45402365421373019332011-09-16T00:25:09.248-07:002011-09-16T00:25:09.248-07:00Could it be that the 1960s engineers hit on the op...Could it be that the 1960s engineers hit on the optimal design per kilo of stuff launched into space? There is, after all, a diminishing of returns, even in technology. Look at commercial airliners -- pretty marginal improvement since the 747, with the one leap, the SST, ultimately being a failure commercially. The two hours saved across the Atlantic just wasn't worth it for enough people, given the extra costs of the journey.stari_momaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24681149504026599012011-09-15T23:55:06.137-07:002011-09-15T23:55:06.137-07:00TGGP: I don't think I've come across Anony...TGGP: <em>I don't think I've come across Anonymous 5:06's particular brand of crazy before.</em><br /><br />A page from Ivan van Sertima's book. This kind of concession to enemy terms is always unseemly ... did his forebears know territorial right in terms of "indigeneity" or "holocausts"?Ortu Kanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15835792445084398302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72249784907864384712011-09-15T23:25:31.100-07:002011-09-15T23:25:31.100-07:00Mexicans On The Moon is a good title for a comedy,...<i>Mexicans On The Moon is a good title for a comedy, not a documentary.</i><br /><br />Ah, they just don't teach history any more. Surely you've heard of the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6xJzAYYrX8" rel="nofollow">Old Negro Space Program</a>?Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10330712047609650184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62894412669944278452011-09-15T23:24:49.212-07:002011-09-15T23:24:49.212-07:00"Did you leave out an adjective?Apparently yo..."Did you leave out an adjective?Apparently you didn't leave out an adjective.<br /><br /> A syllogism is a logically fallacious argument that contains two premises that lead to a possible conclusion that is wrong. I fail to see what's wrong with the way I phrased it here. Maybe I expressed myself incorrectly. English is not my first language. I do the best I can.<br /><br />"("Syllogism Is A Fallacy!" - great slogan to put on a sandwich board and march up and down the street with, eyebrows getting all twitchy)"<br /><br /> I can see that sarcasm is not your strong suit...<br /><br />"An increase in the population of welfare-eaters relative to wealth-creators has bankrupted more nations than the USA."<br /><br /> Most immigrants are legal, and legal immigrants pay taxes. But assume none did. Even then, the argument that NASA hasn't been progressing over the past few decades due to budgetary cuts is easily proven wrong since NASA's current budget, crrected for inflation, is roughly the same as it was in 1969 when NASA put men on the Moon.<br /><br />"You know nothing about these topics."<br /><br /> I know that no one, not even the American Psychological Association, agrees on what intelligence is, and the tests designed to measure intelligence reflect only a small number of numerical and verbal skills involved in academia. Even if this is intelligence, assuming that given population "X" is over 4 times wealthier than population "Y" because it scores 10% higher on these tests is a huge jump in logic. How can you prove that higher scores translate into higher GDP growth? You would need to do a double-blind, placebo-controlled study that controls for all variables and then demonstrate that an "X" amount of advantage in test scores for a certain population translates into "Y" amount of economic growth. No such study has ever been done. Using tests that measure a certain amount of valuable traits in academia and then assuming this translates into higher GDP growth in a perfectly linear and scalar correlation is simply absurd.<br /><br /> "Why am I not feeling reassured?"<br /><br /> I feel reassured reading this reply that Sailer's readers, many of them, are a bunch of infantile, biased and spiteful rednecks who are incapable of debating in a civilized manner with people they disagree with, instead prefering to make ad hominem invective at their opponents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38429640526968160242011-09-15T23:13:49.045-07:002011-09-15T23:13:49.045-07:00lots of unintentional hilarity on this thread.
H...lots of unintentional hilarity on this thread. <br /><br />Hey pal: the early colonists of Mass blew away the Spanish in IQ. The Puritans were notorious for their high intelligence and their culture reflected their acumen. Contrary to idiot assertions that the trash of Europe washed up in america: it was instead a classic case of Darwinian selection for key traits like ingenuity.<br /><br />The dumbest assertion yet is that the euro immigrant waves were all poor dumb slobs who couldn't hack it in Europe. Many came from successful families who saw the even greater opportunities in the new worldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42390070186691258892011-09-15T22:34:16.587-07:002011-09-15T22:34:16.587-07:00Non-white countries have rarely been on the cuttin...Non-white countries have rarely been on the cutting edge of exploration.<br /><br />Mexicans On The Moon is a good title for a comedy, not a documentary. Ironically Mexicans themselves are happy to admit as much. It's only snarling white liberals who become apoplectic at such un-PC utterances.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54762107798306860662011-09-15T22:24:11.431-07:002011-09-15T22:24:11.431-07:00>completely fallacious, a classic case of syllo...>completely fallacious, a classic case of syllogism<<br /><br />Did you leave out an adjective?<br /><br />>but simple deductive logic shows the fallacy of his argument<<br /><br />Apparently you didn't leave out an adjective.<br /><br />("Syllogism Is A Fallacy!" - great slogan to put on a sandwich board and march up and down the street with, eyebrows getting all twitchy)<br /><br />>the budget increases as the population increases<<br /><br />An increase in the population of welfare-eaters relative to wealth-creators has bankrupted more nations than the USA.<br /><br />>First, the measurement of intelligence is sketchy at best. Then, trying to tanslate the result of standardized "intelligence" tests into actual economic and scientific achievement is even sketchier. Then, the evidence does not really survive careful deliberation.<<br /><br />You know nothing about these topics.<br /><br />>my profession demands that I use logic on a high level on a daily basis<<br /><br />Why am I not feeling reassured?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com