tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post6546536655217219050..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Parker: In polls, "Romney, alas, leads whites."Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger147125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61697711299578355402012-09-04T09:01:03.393-07:002012-09-04T09:01:03.393-07:00School vouchers are a non-starter in appealing to ...<i>School vouchers are a non-starter in appealing to blacks. Too many blacks work for the government or have a relative that works for the government.</i> <br /><br />I once saw a statistic [maybe back during the Reagan administration? maybe in Commentary Magazine?] which held that, of employed blacks, some huge majority [upwards of 75%?] were employed by government in some form [local, state, federal domestic, federal military, etc].<br /><br />Does anyone know what the real number is now?<br /><br />Are we anywhere near the point where more than half of employed blacks are employed in the private sector?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67379409742252367162012-09-04T08:10:06.029-07:002012-09-04T08:10:06.029-07:00"Look how noble and powerful I am ..I am in f..."Look how noble and powerful I am ..I am in favor of policies that handidicap and discriminate against my own group."<br /><br />Aren't you describing working-class white Republicans?<br /><br />"Just go away, Yan Shen.<br /><br />I'm not Yan Shen and, no, I'm not going away."<br /><br />First constitutional amendment, Sport; Right to Free Association. Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80604693071064638972012-09-04T03:54:30.217-07:002012-09-04T03:54:30.217-07:00Silver speaks wisely in this thread.
Mediterrane...Silver speaks wisely in this thread. <br /><br />Mediterraneans know how to do populism.IHTGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13543091238926738309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14697605855880648112012-09-03T21:30:51.314-07:002012-09-03T21:30:51.314-07:00It might be more effective to start calling such p...<i>It might be more effective to start calling such people as Ms Parker "anti-modernists" or "anti-modernity" when it's clear the advancement of mankind has been brought about by the achievements of white peoples who derive from the European continent.</i><br /><br />Well, then, why not say what you really mean -- which is that they are misanthropes?ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58199076698175438462012-09-03T17:42:31.229-07:002012-09-03T17:42:31.229-07:00Whites, particularly less educated whites, who des...<i>Whites, particularly less educated whites, who describe themselves as "awakened" not only decide to care for their racial interests they not uncommonly go kinda berserk. Their senses become flooded by a torrent of possibilities and fears that they struggle to make sense of.</i><br /><br />"To his own ruin the fool gains knowledge, for it cleaves his head and destroys his innate goodness."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6979930225506423862012-09-03T16:13:55.014-07:002012-09-03T16:13:55.014-07:00Just go away, Yan Shen.
I'm not Yan Shen and,...<i>Just go away, Yan Shen.</i><br /><br />I'm not Yan Shen and, no, I'm not going away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21947688462296539152012-09-03T14:13:42.877-07:002012-09-03T14:13:42.877-07:00The dizzying array of pathologies that Matthew fir...The dizzying array of pathologies that Matthew first lists could be criticized because some go hand-in-hand. That is, one could be expected to flow from another. <br /><br />Here, adding tendencies that can’t as easily be blamed on poverty becomes useful. Such traits would include everything from littering to pet cruelty.richesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85834399689800251952012-09-03T13:45:42.569-07:002012-09-03T13:45:42.569-07:00"Self-hating white" is an excellent term...<i>"Self-hating white" is an excellent term. It identifies the traitors - and enforces a kind of group discipline. </i><br /><br />It WOULD enforce a kind of group discipline if the group identification existed in the first place. That's why it works so well with Jews, because they already have the group cohesion. "Self-hating Jew" helps maintain it. But remember, Jews have anti-semite, which is their real weapon, and that's what whites need and what 'anti-white' provides.<br /><br />And while I am at it, "Well, whites are people too, ya know" is the simplest justification if you ever find yourself have to explain your use of "anti-white." That's a potent one-two punch, pal. No way is "self-hating white" that good, get real. (It may yet have its uses, but no way should it be your go-to move.)Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11296287684875378392012-09-03T13:36:29.889-07:002012-09-03T13:36:29.889-07:00It might be more effective to start calling such p...<i>It might be more effective to start calling such people as Ms Parker "anti-modernists" or "anti-modernity" when it's clear the advancement of mankind has been brought about by the achievements of white peoples who derive from the European continent.</i><br /><br />Look, first and foremost, we're in the propaganda business, not the accuracy business. It may be perfectly accurate to call them "anti-modernists." But I'm interested in the EFFECT calling them that has, not the accuracy of the statement. The effect, in my judgment, would be confusion and/or disinterest. Anti-modern's not even necessarily a bad thing -- plenty of people are against the excesses of modernity (car, noise, pollution, war machines etc). I don't know how you could even begin to compare that to the effect of anti-white, which is immediately understandable, hard-hitting, arresting and provokes apologetics. The only people who are going to admit to being anti-white are those you WANT to admit it, to make their position clear, so that it's no longer invisible, so that it's out there for all to see and to judge.<br /><br />Svigor,<br /><br /><i>I prefer "racist." That's what she is, and that's what'll sting the most if you say it to her face. It seems like people on our side of the fence are very reluctant to use this word, but I don't quite understand why.</i><br /><br />'Racist' is totally lacking in novelty, so it can't compete with anti-white even if it did have the effect you claim for it. I doubt it has that effect, though, or at least I doubt that it's as strong as that of 'anti-white.' Also, anti-white is better for strangers, bystanders, onlookers, eavesdroppers and the uninitiated, whereas 'racist' used in this sense can be confusing (remember, the masses are asses). <br /><br /><i>Hey, I've finally got someone using it! :)</i><br /><br />Hmm, I thought I'd come up with than independently. <br />Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40240086807706104882012-09-03T13:12:18.005-07:002012-09-03T13:12:18.005-07:00"Imagine if a group like Irish-Americans cons..."Imagine if a group like Irish-Americans consistently voted 95% Republican"<br /><br />I´m willing to bet the Irish went close to 100% for Kennedy. <br /><br />Shoot, my Irish-American grandma broke down in tears when she found out he died. I can´t imagine her doing that for a non-coethnic...<br /><br />Though I am still 100 % Irish-american, I am no fan of JFK, but I can´t imagine too many other Irish feeling the same way...<br /><br />Of course the Irish are a small subgroup of whites, while all of blacks go in one direction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70119329206072833452012-09-03T12:45:50.951-07:002012-09-03T12:45:50.951-07:00"Self-hating white" is an excellent term..."Self-hating white" is an excellent term. It identifies the traitors - and enforces a kind of group discipline. Of course getting traditional conservatives to use any kind of effective political rhetoric is impossible, since they really just want to kvetch & play the noble loser. And a lot of them are just plain dumb.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78103412730299383292012-09-03T12:39:18.013-07:002012-09-03T12:39:18.013-07:00"Its so much better being non-white, despite ...<i>"Its so much better being non-white, despite not having as much <b>money</b> or <b>education</b> or <b>safety</b> or <b>health</b> or <b>life expectancy</b>.</i><br /><br />But Asian-Americans do better on all those metrics - ever single damn one - despite being "non-white." Since Asians and Jews do better than average despite being in the minority, you'd almost think that the reason "non-white" Hispanics and blacks do worse has nothing to do with being "non-white" or minorities, and everything to do with something else.Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71211718758837895652012-09-03T12:10:27.911-07:002012-09-03T12:10:27.911-07:00Being white is awful. People call you a racist! It...Being white is awful. People call you a racist! It's hard and nobody understands. Its so much better being non-white, despite not having as much money or education or safety or health or life expectancy. Being called racist is the worst thing imaginable!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74445906587166323872012-09-03T11:58:14.684-07:002012-09-03T11:58:14.684-07:00Any ideas? Using the term Anti-White to describe a...<i>Any ideas? Using the term Anti-White to describe attitudes and polcies I think is a start in the right direction I suppose.</i><br /><br />It's a step in the right direction for a couple of reasons, both of them important.<br /><br />For starters, it's actually that: an actual start. You know, if try to zip your jacket up but you don't start at the bottom where the "latch" (if that's the word) is located, you can run the zipper up and down all day long but you won't be zipping (or unzipping) anything. But if you connect the zipper at the latch, then you're in business, and you can zip up as far as you want.<br /><br />White activists have lamented for a long, long time that nothing they've tried has really worked, but I'd say they've been zipping like crazy but never managed to connect the zipper at the bottom. They've never really succeeded in gaining any serious sort of traction because their ideas and their facts are just too much for people; they've never really made an effort to begin where the masses are at, and so their ideas have tended to simply pass the masses by. <br /><br />Saying that is a bit unfair, I know, because white activists have done a LOT of very good work. (Some very poor work, too, but that doesn't negate the fact of the good work that exists.) For instance, over at Unz.org (yes, that Unz, our dear friend Ron Unz) you can access an essay from The Occidental Quarterly June 2002 edition by Richard McCulloch, a rebuttal to objections raised to an earlier essay of his in that same publication. I've read that essay many times and I don't think it's possible to seriously critique it any way: not for its facts, not for its logic, not for its ethics. (And this praise is coming from someone (ie me) who would not only be expected to object but who routinely objects to WN positions.) But there it languishes, mostly unread and mostly unappreciated, and if nothing changes, probably always will.<br /><br />The second reason is that 'anti-white' is open-ended as well as restrained. That may sound like a contradiction, so I'll explain. Anti-racism is negative; it tells us what not to do. As long as you don't do racism you're free to do what you please. Racism (in the positive sense, or "racialism" or whatever euphemism), on the other hand, is positive; it requires to do something or to stand for something, for some ideal or for some state of affairs. <i>But what?</i> No one really knows. There are plenty of ideas out there but they generate vastly more controversy than they do agreement. 'Anti-white' works like anti-racist/racist; it simply requires behaviors and policies to not be anti-white. This is much simpler and much harder to disagree with. <br /><br />It's also "restrained." A genuine problem with pro-white activism, especially in it's more forceful form, WN, is its tendency to excite passions well beyond what is ethically warranted, desirable, or attractive. Whites, particularly less educated whites, who describe themselves as "awakened" not only decide to care for their racial interests they not uncommonly go kinda berserk. Their senses become flooded by a torrent of possibilities and fears that they struggle to make sense of. Using 'anti-white' keeps this unfortunate tendency in check, and, I argue, is thus capable of winning support -- widespread and enthusiastic support -- from a vastly greater segment of society than traditional, hate-em-all-style WN. After all, at bottom, whatever else it is, it's always about a bit of goddam racial fairness, even if nothing else. VERY hard to argue against that with a straight face.<br />Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7877997261355104682012-09-03T11:20:07.903-07:002012-09-03T11:20:07.903-07:00Some white liberals are genuinely and sincerely ra...<i>Some white liberals are genuinely and sincerely race-blind, but I think of people like this Kathleen Parker as "liberal white supremacists."</i><br /><br />Hey, I've finally got <i>someone</i> using it! :)<br /><br />Yep. There are tons of LWS out there. They're characterized by their implicit belief that Whites are invulnerable to everything, that their institutions cannot be destroyed or subverted or undermined, that blacks should be handled somewhat like retards (okay to praise, but not to criticize), that Whites, as the eternal and immutable better, must always be the one to take the high road and be the bigger man, etc.<br /><br />It's yet another example of how Libtards pervert everything to their own twisted ends, via speech (and thus thought) control.Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77494486906190768222012-09-03T11:12:23.484-07:002012-09-03T11:12:23.484-07:00Calling them anti-white is worlds more effective. ...<i>Calling them anti-white is worlds more effective. Even if they don't change, it alerts other people to the fact that anti-whitism is a reality and that it merits attention.</i><br /><br />I prefer "racist." That's what she is, and that's what'll sting the most if you say it to her face. It seems like people on our side of the fence are very reluctant to use this word, but I don't quite understand why.Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63192802516677490302012-09-03T09:40:59.811-07:002012-09-03T09:40:59.811-07:00"Given that, how are you going to shame a Kat..."Given that, how are you going to shame a Kathleen Parker by calling her a self-hating white? She may very well tell you she's proud to be one (proud to stand against hatred and racism and blah blah blah).<br /><br />"Calling them anti-white is worlds more effective. Even if they don't change, it alerts other people to the fact that anti-whitism is a reality and that it merits attention."<br /><br />It might be more effective to start calling such people as Ms Parker "anti-modernists" or "anti-modernity" when it's clear the advancement of mankind has been brought about by the achievements of white peoples who derive from the European continent.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27073110111843913972012-09-03T09:37:56.271-07:002012-09-03T09:37:56.271-07:00"I want a strong welfare state"
Why?"I want a strong welfare state"<br /><br />Why?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57529336681069223132012-09-03T08:55:32.852-07:002012-09-03T08:55:32.852-07:00"Look how noble and powerful I am ..I am in f..."Look how noble and powerful I am ..I am in favor of policies that handidicap and discriminate against my own group."<br /><br />Yes, but I also think a large part of it is that they do not see <br />the harmful effects on the White lower and middle classes (because they live in gated communities or something like them) ... or don't care... or just think it is sour grapes from losers ... or just "racist" to think that way (to care about other members of your race like just about every other group does) ...<br /><br />They don't see the towns destroyed by Section 8 low income housing, the jobs, college admissions, or postions not obtained by White males because of their skin color or gender, wages destroyed for many working class Whites by flooding the country with immigrants..<br /><br />There was a WSJ article not to long go called importing poverty that dicussed the fact that almost 50% of new immigrants end up on welfare of some sort.... How is that helping in this country?<br /><br />Sigh ... someone needs to do a documentary on poor, working, and middle class Whites and have these issues discussed. Maybe that would help.<br /><br />I wonder if there is a special place in Hell for the Chris Matthews of the world... I hope so.<br /><br />Of course White women, for the moment, beneift from the racial spoils system via gender AA... but I suspect they will be thrown over at some point by the Democratic party when they are no longer useful or needed to ram through polcies that at the moment hurt primarily White males the most (White females less because of gender AA).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77137350330768717632012-09-03T08:35:07.914-07:002012-09-03T08:35:07.914-07:00"Maybe blacks vote for Democratic candidates ...<i>"Maybe blacks vote for Democratic candidates because blacks, unlike whites, aren't stupid enough to listen to the plutocrats and theocrats who own the Republican party."</i>, <br /><br />You mean like the Obama supporter who thought her Democratic candidate would pay her gas and grocery bills? <br /><br /><i>"Does Romney stand for anything except enriching his own tiny social class and endless war for Israel?"</i><br /><br />Yes. He's the not-Obama candidate and that's good enough for a lot of voters, if the polls are any indication. <br /><br /><i>"Isn't the real mystery why white people would vote for him?"</i><br /><br />No, the real mystery is why you would drag yourself away from conversing with the Lucky Charms leprechaun and clapping for Tinker Bell to post this comment. Thanks for caring and sharing but I really think we'll do just fine without any more contributions from you.Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75113878282723315222012-09-03T04:49:25.014-07:002012-09-03T04:49:25.014-07:00Given that, how are you going to shame a Kathleen ...<i>Given that, how are you going to shame a Kathleen Parker by calling her a self-hating white? She may very well tell you she's proud to be one (proud to stand against hatred and racism and blah blah blah).</i><br /><br />The term "self-hating white" indicates she's not comfortable in her own skin, and yet too hypocritical to commit suicide. The term by itself suggests that something is not quite right about her, that she has mental "issues" and is confused. I think even if someone like Parker is confronted with the term and argues back, on the inside it starts to sow a seed of doubt (e.g. should I really hate my kind? Do I hate myself? Does what I believe make sense?) <br /><br />The term also indicates that she's about to get shunned or written off by the rest of her kind, that she may be marginalized, as in "just another (stupid) self-hating white".<br /><br />The term "anti-White" for a white person (as opposed to non-Whites) can be countered with "I'm white, how could I possibly be anti-White? That's just stupid."<br /><br />I like both terms to be honest, and would be glad to see them get more currency. But I like the sort of apoplexy that someone might get into trying to rationalize why they either don't hate themselves (but evidently do, otherwise why were they called that to begin with), or that hating themselves is logical (which is silly IMO).<br /><br />If you want to learn from experts at persuasion, study Jews. There's a reason they refer to critical outsiders as "anti-Semitic" and critical insiders as "self-hating Jews".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18060967799331920522012-09-03T04:33:26.547-07:002012-09-03T04:33:26.547-07:00you need to read a little more widely in the HBD-s...<i>you need to read a little more widely in the HBD-sphere. "Striver" is commonly used as an insult </i> <br /><br /><br />Just go away, Yan Shen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48205598280219891922012-09-03T03:43:02.991-07:002012-09-03T03:43:02.991-07:00Silver said
"Some white liberals are genuine...Silver said<br /><br />"Some white liberals are genuinely and sincerely race-blind, but I think of people like this Kathleen Parker as "liberal white supremacists." Though they'd never admit it, deep down they definitely feel whites are superior. That's why they're horrified when some whites are frank about how they feel. "Oh God, how utterly horrible. Those poor people, just think how hurt they must be! Wicked, wicked white racists!" This attitude also explains their totally irrational confidence that all will be well, I think."<br /><br />Yes, its a form of noblesse oblige (the nobility must make sacrifices for the good of less well off) taken to an extreme, or as Steve as discussed it a form of status hopping.<br /><br />At the root of it with many is an innate sense of White superiority hence the belief that all will turn out well in the end. With others it is probably just the aping of thougts and beliefs which they have learned are associated with high status by the MSM and the PTB.<br /><br />I suppose as a "display" historically you would have to be fairly powerful to advocate policies that will harm your own group (or dumb).<br /><br />Look how noble and powerful I am ..I am in favor of policies that handidicap and discriminate against my own group.<br /><br />Analogies to potlatch ceremonies of the Native Americans (giving gifts ... the more you give the higher your status) and Christian marytrdon (sacrificing for the cause) themes as analogies also come to mind.<br /><br />Probably will not end well for Whites as a group.<br /><br />I am not sure what could put a stop to this status mongering by White elites in the beltway ...<br />probabaly nothing short but the extermination of the White race I suppose.<br /><br />Somehow they need to be shamed for being so Anti-White, but I am not sure how that could be done until Whites are completely powerless and at the mercy of the non-Whites.<br /><br />Any ideas? Using the term Anti-White to describe attitudes and polcies I think is a start in the right direction I suppose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18697810209733570022012-09-03T03:03:06.337-07:002012-09-03T03:03:06.337-07:00Truth, Five percent is half of the talented tenth...Truth, Five percent is half of the talented tenth.<br /><br />Gilbert P.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47523336842764853232012-09-03T01:40:14.640-07:002012-09-03T01:40:14.640-07:00The self-hating White person is just a riff on the...<i>The self-hating White person is just a riff on the Jewish term "self-hating Jew", the sort of nomenclature I thought we might adopt. It's an effective put down, because inherent in the terminology is that it's silly to hate oneself, and it's descriptive. Probably more effective than just calling her anti-White, because while it describes her politics it doesn't describe her own treacherous stupidity.<br /><br />Most so-called self-hating Jews probably do not hate themselves either, but the epithet is effective.</i><br /><br />It works for Jews, but it won't work for whites.<br /><br />Criticizing Jews is considered benighted. Criticizing whites is considered enlightened.<br /><br />Jews are allowed to care for their group interests. Whites are supposed to pretend they don't have group interests.<br /><br />Given that, how are you going to shame a Kathleen Parker by calling her a self-hating white? She may very well tell you she's proud to be one (proud to stand against hatred and racism and blah blah blah).<br /><br />Calling them anti-white is worlds more effective. Even if they don't change, it alerts other people to the fact that anti-whitism is a reality and that it merits attention.<br /><br /><i>Don't take hypocrites at face value (ha!). It's not their enlightened skin they hate. It's yours.</i><br /><br />Some white liberals are genuinely and sincerely race-blind, but I think of people like this Kathleen Parker as "liberal white supremacists." Though they'd never admit it, deep down they definitely feel whites are superior. That's why they're horrified when some whites are frank about how they feel. "Oh God, how utterly horrible. Those poor people, just think how hurt they must be! Wicked, wicked white racists!" This attitude also explains their totally irrational confidence that all will be well, I think.Silvernoreply@blogger.com