tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post6577011070058313619..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Derbyshire talks backUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger169125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17001732961526406062012-04-17T23:52:04.798-07:002012-04-17T23:52:04.798-07:00Truth...
I think I was right in my last reply to ...Truth...<br /><br />I think I was right in my last reply to you that our fundamental values differ so significantly that we won't be able to come to an agreement on this. <br /><br />To me, what you say is kind of like... watching that website where people post videos of themselves mutilating their own genitals permanently and severely. It's horrific, imagining myself involved in that situation makes me nauseous, and i just don't get it. Actually, I never watched any of those videos, just read about them, but I have to see children every day whose fathers have them so low on their list of priorities that they don't participate in their lives. You know, I've been to a lot of places and met a lot of people, for my age, and I've never known anyone whose father was absent because he didn't love his kid enough. Divorce is very common nowadays, but fathers without parental instincts aren't. It's one thing to hope for a used condom instead of a child, but it's quite another to treat a child, one's own child, like a used condom. <br /><br />You're telling me it's best to not judge, but I think the whole "not judging" thing should be reserved for minor things that don't cause suffering. After all, would you say that we shouldn't judge those lynch mobs of the post Civil War era? How about those businessmen who packed human beings on boats like sardines knowing that half of them would die before they'd reach the New World slave market, should we refrain from judging them? <br /><br />Sadly, judging by your prior responses, you probably think that abandoning one's own child IS that very minor transgression which good people shouldn't judge, like wearing vulgar clothes or having an emotional meltdown in public, once in a blue moon. Please, correct me if I'm wrong. I hope i just misunderstood you. Otherwise, I just don't get it. <br /><br />You can make a joke, and laugh me off, but that won't change the fact that neglecting and rejecting a child is damaging. Sure, one can still succeed, but it doesn't meant that one isn't suffering. Have you read B.O.'s first book? He's suffered. Many people have good careers while constantly dealing with a heavy burden like diabetes I, stuttering, PTSD and nightmares from rape. Missing out on a parent while knowing that this is happening because the parents doesn't want to be around enough to make it happen is one such a thing. Why a parent would do this to a child is beyond my comprehension. <br /><br />As for Mark, he might be doing well academically/career-wise, but he's suffered too, and he has a very low opinion of his biological father, according to the president. <br />The fact that BO Sr, was also a violent, abusive alcoholic doesn't excuse his treating his son like unwanted garbage. It makes him even more of an asshole.Mayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34412796122266335772012-04-17T15:08:51.255-07:002012-04-17T15:08:51.255-07:00So you'd be happy if he married your daughter?...<i>So you'd be happy if he married your daughter?</i><br /><br />I'd be 1/8th to 1/4 as upset as I'd be in certain other scenarios...Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38045675206887552822012-04-17T00:41:11.077-07:002012-04-17T00:41:11.077-07:00"So you'd be happy if he married your dau...<b>"So you'd be happy if he married your daughter?"</b><br /><br />If my daughter grows up to be a necrophiliac I'll be realy pissed.<br /><br />I'm not against interracial marriage. When I was single I dated a couple of black girls (one was actually half black). I'd set the bar a little higher, however, to compensate for all the unknowns.Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91681669914833746822012-04-16T19:20:13.904-07:002012-04-16T19:20:13.904-07:00"
And for the record, Dumas was only somewher..."<br />And for the record, Dumas was only somewhere between 1/8th and 1/4th black."<br /><br />So you'd be happy if he married your daughter?Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23419046638910920812012-04-16T19:05:42.666-07:002012-04-16T19:05:42.666-07:00"And for the record, Dumas was only somewhere..."And for the record, Dumas was only somewhere between 1/8th and 1/4th black."<br /><br />Yes. That's why they came up in a discussion on the benefits to whites, or not, of dedicating their reproductive endeavors to producing more part-black people. Dumas was a mulatto (repsectable term in that day), probably, 50% black. His son was no more than 1/4, and born in France. The Dumas example, however, occurred in a time and place where clamoring about being "black" would have brought no glory. They just concentrated on their European background, to good effect and with remarkably little neurotic backdraft.acdcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36149508863138416752012-04-16T11:42:30.803-07:002012-04-16T11:42:30.803-07:00"You think you can't raise a girl to have..."You think you can't raise a girl to have substantially more common sense than some poor marxist-nihilist kook, like Stanley Ann Dunham?"<br /><br />"She gave birth to the POTUS; what exactly do your kids do, again?"<br /><br />Giving birth to <i>this</i> POTUS - or his predeccesor - is nothing to be proud of.<br /><br />Sure, in general, I'd rather have a child who went on to be a millionaire rather than a santitation worker. But if the choice is between a santitation worker and the men who are actively destroying this country, I'd prefer my child or grandchild to be the former.<br /><br /><b>"Everything is arguable. Ted Bundy had "great parents, Barry didn't."</b><br /><br />Yah, Ted Bundy had <i>terrific</i> parents. His father was so terrific that he also doubled as Ted's grandfather.<br /><br />And for the record, Dumas was only somewhere between 1/8th and 1/4th black.Matthewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49495749795943072712012-04-16T07:11:22.693-07:002012-04-16T07:11:22.693-07:00Truth:
I'd offer the same advice and have the...Truth:<br /><br />I'd offer the same advice and have the same hopes either way. I want happy successful kids who give me healthy smart happy grandkids; their race, nationality, and language is not important.NOTAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46053683019562102622012-04-16T07:09:29.840-07:002012-04-16T07:09:29.840-07:00Salon has a low-information piece on the Derb kerf...Salon has a low-information piece on the Derb kerfliffle <a href="http://www.salon.com/2012/04/16/is_the_right_really_breaking_up_with_its_racists/singleton/#comments" rel="nofollow">here</a>. <br /><br />Parene seems to be reading from the script, without doing any of that yucky thinking or reading stuff that would be required to engage with the subject intelligently. One entertaining aside is that he links to Steve's old article on interracial marriage claiming it's an attack on interracial marriage, when Steve says nothing like that in the article. My guess is that Parene knew what he was going to write and argue before he started, and didn't bother reading his linked articles since he already knew that Steve was a dirty racist. <br /><br />On the other hand, the web media convention of linking to source materials makes it very easy to catch this sort of sloppiness.NOTAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61054967241192066802012-04-15T21:45:28.636-07:002012-04-15T21:45:28.636-07:00"Because you seem to have suggested that by p..."Because you seem to have suggested that by picking a man capable of feeling real fatherly love, your sister would run a huge risk of being married to a homosexual... Now you are trolling for sure, with that ghetto nonsense."<br /><br />It's been a long weekend, Maya; please get some rest.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48453449995180666382012-04-15T21:43:35.222-07:002012-04-15T21:43:35.222-07:00"BO Sr. is a disgrace to himself because he a..."BO Sr. is a disgrace to himself because he abandoned his own child."<br /><br />"Disgrace" is strong. He was an alcoholic who was not able to properly raise a family, but "judge not lest ye be judged." <br /><br />Barry has done well, his brother Mark has done well, and his brother David died young in a motorcycle crash. Without their father, they've done better than most people from stable homes, from this, one can conclude that Barry Sr. was a good sperm donor.<br /><br />Was he "a good father"? Nope, but neither are most American fathers in my opinion.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85923438858875085262012-04-15T21:20:27.815-07:002012-04-15T21:20:27.815-07:00ACDC,
1. Dumas Pere is good for me, not Fils. Ale...ACDC,<br /><br />1. Dumas Pere is good for me, not Fils. Alexander Dumas Fils sucks. Growing up in a country that didn't bother to specify one or the other in published books, i suffered often and greatly when that impostor the Fils weaseled his way into my hands and forced his shit onto me. <br /><br />2. Most people of any breed are nothing to write home about, not just the mulattoes. <br /><br />3. Our president, clearly, has issues regarding his ethnic identity. Obvious daddy issues too (can't blame him) and the two are probably connected. I think it's unfair to use a person with an obvious screwed up thing about them to represent any group. For example, Dworkin is an academically successful woman. She is published, famous and all that. But it wouldn't be fair to hold her as an example of what women are generally like because, well, something obviously happened there, you know? She was either raped as an infant, or not raped when she wanted to be raped or something extremely traumatic and damaging because she was clearly OFF. People with dark pasts who are OFF (their rocker, in some way)= not fair to use when judging a group.Mayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73834294784661266672012-04-15T20:42:52.970-07:002012-04-15T20:42:52.970-07:00"Incidentally, the Spartans never produced an...<i>"Incidentally, the Spartans never produced anything of intellectual or cultural distinction."</i><br /><br /><br />Points of fact:<br /><br /> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta<br /><br />* Spartans were literate. Lots of places still aren't today... What is the literacy rate of India?<br /><br /><br />* Spartan women were famously more equal in society than women elsewhere in the classical world, Aristotle really didn't like the power Spartan women had. Spartan women were the only Ancient Greek women to hold property on their own. Unusual for a time when women were often married by 13, women could not marry until their late teens and thus had longer average lifespans. Spartan women were literate.<br /><br /><br /><br />* The Spartan constitution lasted longer than any other in history (roughly 600 years?). It was illegal to write it down.<br /><br /> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartan_Constitution<br /><br /><br />* It is apparently historically significant that the Spartans achieved the cultural distinction of being able to launch a phalanx charge that went where it was aimed and did not drift right. Apparently this required immense practice and trust.<br /><br /><br />* Modern cryptography books typically mention the Spartan scytale as the earliest known standard crypto device. It is often used to introduce the subject (plenty of links abound).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-40640204631330842262012-04-15T20:23:56.396-07:002012-04-15T20:23:56.396-07:00"For everyone of these there appear to be doz..."For everyone of these there appear to be dozens of Obama types (without the "success")"<br /><br />There are probably dozens of Harvard lawyers for each of the persons she mentioned.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25798652399676526992012-04-15T19:46:26.463-07:002012-04-15T19:46:26.463-07:00"I can understand wanting my grand kids to ha...<i>"I can understand wanting my grand kids to have personal traits I value, and even physical traits I value, like good looks and refinement, but to want them to look very much like me, that seems like an odd preference if it is strongly held."</i><br /><br /><i>"But why would these men wish to do that if it is not common to want to have offspring from women of another race?"</i><br /><br /><i>"It seems more a modern preoccupation."</i><br /><br /><br />Bizarre, either libretarian/callow or deliberately duplicitous. The biological nature of social organism's breeding groups (in humans, the large extended families, as discussed by Steve) are a form of immortality. Destroy the extended family, kill the immortality. (Save the whales! But...)<br /><br />Men that conquer rape the women probably for the same reason that chimps do or... come to think of it stallions make it all pretty explicit. To kill the other social group by exterminating the genetic influence of the other extended family's males. If all the males from that point on are from the conquering group, over time what happens? (I'd hardly call chimp behavior "modern".)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18617806374854984932012-04-15T19:33:36.200-07:002012-04-15T19:33:36.200-07:00Truth,
I didn't say you were dense, but actin...Truth, <br />I didn't say you were dense, but acting dense- as in trolling to get a rise out of the crowd. If you are actually serious... then, I guess our values are so different that it's pointless to argue, like if we were of different religious faiths. Here are my fundamental beliefs in response to your... responses:<br /><br />If by "judgmental" you mean sharing my honest opinion of Obama Sr., as I hold him to the same standards as everyone else, then sure. But, then, if discuss these cases as examples of what we would or wouldn't our children and little siblings to follow, it's good to be judgmental.<br /><br />BO Sr. is a disgrace to himself because he abandoned his own child. I'm not sure that DNA from a man who rejects his young is a desirable contribution (judging by his history of domestic abuse and drunk driving, BO Sr.' treatment of his son is but one example of his lack of empathy and disregard for others and there is also that alcoholism thing), but even if his sperm was the holy grail of all sperm, if that's all he's goof for, he should have donated at a clinic. Instead, he got married, had a child, and then changed his mind as soon as the whole thing became slightly inconvenient. I think that people who shrug off the responsibility to their children are deficient and disgusting. Parents are important. Fathers are important. <br /><br />" "Life is 5% what happens to you, and 95% how you react to it."<br />I understand the above phrase as a warning against using victim status to excuse away one's own wrong doing. Fore example, if you were abused as a child, it doesn't excuse your abuse of your own children. And if your great great great grand parents were slaves, it doesn't make it okay to drink throughout pregnancy or smoke crack in front of your child. The above phrase is NOT meant as an excuse for the perpetrator. Like if tomorrow I go postal and bite some child's leg off, it won't make for a good defense to tell the judge that, "Hey, it's 95% up to that kid whether or not she'll still have a good life. Maybe this will be good for her character. She can be positive, buy a bunch of prosthetic legs, study hard, be open minded towards men who aren't, er, physically perfect either, and TA-DA, she'll be fine. So, you see, no real harm done".<br /><br />Appreciating the holistic nature of life is the ability to step back and see the big picture, right? Or wrong? Because you seem to have suggested that by picking a man capable of feeling real fatherly love, your sister would run a huge risk of being married to a homosexual... Now you are trolling for sure, with that ghetto nonsense.Mayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72714929223077392832012-04-15T19:08:15.913-07:002012-04-15T19:08:15.913-07:00"Nothing that you've written inspires my ..."Nothing that you've written inspires my confidence in white-white breeding."<br /><br />No surprise there. Not really putting any effort into inspiring confidence in you--indeed, I'm relieved I'm not.<br /><br /> You sound like a 10 year old who just learned a new cliche.acdcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-787374366617986172012-04-15T18:59:55.041-07:002012-04-15T18:59:55.041-07:00"It's hard to find a loving, like minded ...<i>"It's hard to find a loving, like minded partner with whom there is chemistry to boot. If one happens upon such a person and that person happens to be black, it would be foolish to pass."</i><br /><br />While I would not argue against this, in the case of adults, there may also be other considerations here than just "chemistry".<br /><br />Perhaps, say, 20% of all people, mated at random, would discover they had "chemistry" with each other. (I think I once heard something to the effect that "20% of people are un-marriable, 60% can marry if they are lucky to find a partner that can put up with them, and the other 20% can all happily marry one another".)<br /><br />Suppose this is roughly true. Then, if modern technology makes distance irrelevant, and people are essentially exposed to one another at random, and "chemistry" is roughly just random, then every generation a considerable percentage will "marry out". Given not that many generations, a small population acting this way will disappear. <br /><br />It also pays to consider that there are some 7 billion people in the world today. Only 12% to 13% are of white descent. Given that whites tend to have more older folk then the rapidly growing non-white populations, the relevant white percentage is probably below 10%. So whites are a small minority and it is rational for them to consider demographic effects. <br /><br />As mentioned in this thread, small groups have historically developed a number of strategies to survive. There is the possibility that much of the Jewish woe-is-pitiful-me-that-they-all-hate schtick is more (perhaps unthinkingly) designed to keep young Jews in the fold, than for outside consumption.<br /><br />Ironically, while "chemistry" must be universal and no doubt is well understood by field mice, modern notions of romantic love and mating based on it, over parental/family interest, (and all that other courtly chivalry stuff) may considerably be a Western invention, perhaps tied to medieval romance literature. I think in England it appears associated with the politics of the Hundred Years war and the need for women to run castles, etc., when men were on crusade, that sort of thing. Not sure how it all ties together, but all that "Order of the Garter" and similar stuff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50028801153147636172012-04-15T18:41:10.063-07:002012-04-15T18:41:10.063-07:00Zadie Smith, Jimi Hendrix, Alexander Dumas and my ...Zadie Smith, Jimi Hendrix, Alexander Dumas and my Hispanic, but obviously mixed black/white/native best friend equals plenty of good for me!<br /><br /><br />yeah, true. Praticularly Dumas Pere et Fils. But still, not enough to make me want me or mine involved personally. For everyone of these there appear to be dozens of Obama types (without the "success") <br />It has always seemed profoundly weird to me that when he was inaugurated there were no white family members of any significance basking in the glow. None. Of course they were dead, one quite recently, but it seemed such a strange, inauspicious harbinger for somebody designated as the glorious manifestation of blended races and families, and acknowlegement of all who "made" him what he is. Whatever that is.acdcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14024890226940628102012-04-15T10:01:59.077-07:002012-04-15T10:01:59.077-07:00"Nothing that you've written inspires my ..."Nothing that you've written inspires my confidence in white-white breeding."<br /><br />Your assertion might be a weeeee bit more believable but for the fact that you choose to live in, not East St. Louis or Newark, but New Mexico, with demographics of Whites (aka White-White breeding) of 68%, Hispanics of any race 46% (of which a sizable fraction is Spaniard ancestry, aka White-White breeding) and only 3.7% mixed and only 2.1% black.JSMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19701156152682743222012-04-15T06:18:23.230-07:002012-04-15T06:18:23.230-07:00Did everyone in media forget that one point Derbys...Did everyone in media forget that one point Derbyshire was a ferver supporter of Herman Cain?Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11095056629643472562012-04-15T01:38:58.981-07:002012-04-15T01:38:58.981-07:00"To make interracial breeding worthwhile (it ..."To make interracial breeding worthwhile (it such a lose-lose for whites, though I supposed their descendants would experience less sun damage) you'll have to come up with more worthwhile people than politicians;"<br /><br />Nothing that you've written inspires my confidence in white-white breeding.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76643731030006822922012-04-15T00:26:07.016-07:002012-04-15T00:26:07.016-07:00"Quit acting dense, Truth. Just because a per..."Quit acting dense, Truth. Just because a person manages to succeed in some way after a horrible thing has been done to him/her, it doesn't mean that he/she hasn't been affected, and it sure as hell doesn't mean that the person succeeds BECAUSE of the perpetrator's actions."<br /><br />I am dense. What horrible thing happened? <br /><br /><br />"Obama becoming president doesn't make his father any less of an ignoble piece of sh*t."<br /><br />Why so judgemental? He donated some good DNA, that's all some guys are good for, and for some, it's enough.<br /><br />"Stanley Ann made a bad decision when she picked Obama Sr. as a husband and a father of her child. That's unarguable."<br /><br />Everything is arguable. Ted Bundy had "great parents, Barry didn't<br /><br /> I wouldn't want my daughter to make a similar mistake. Would you?<br /><br />I would prefer my sister married Mike Brady...no, wait...he was gay. Maybe not.<br /><br />This is not snark. This is meant to imply that, as Elanor Roosevelt once said, "Life is 5% what happens to you, and 95% how you react to it.<br /><br /> As you get older Maya, you really do appreciate the holistic nature of life.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89601430081758478622012-04-14T23:06:25.884-07:002012-04-14T23:06:25.884-07:00"To make interracial breeding worthwhile (it ..."To make interracial breeding worthwhile (it such a lose-lose for whites, though I supposed their descendants would experience less sun damage) you'll have to come up with more worthwhile people than politicians; Malcolm Gladwell, and sundry entertainers who all seem to eventually start squawking about how they are so discriminated against because they are 'black' don't do it for me either. Neither the celebs nor the ones personally known to me, inspire confidence in mixed-kids equals good-for-me. "<br /><br />Zadie Smith, Jimi Hendrix, Alexander Dumas and my Hispanic, but obviously mixed black/white/native best friend equals plenty of good for me!Mayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52714405218995371432012-04-14T23:04:21.795-07:002012-04-14T23:04:21.795-07:00We're all slimy at times, I've never met a...We're all slimy at times, I've never met anyone who wasn't, but we're not all POTUS.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21434118023000769052012-04-14T20:53:06.249-07:002012-04-14T20:53:06.249-07:00Truth said:
""You think you can't ra...Truth said:<br />""You think you can't raise a girl to have substantially more common sense than some poor marxist-nihilist kook, like Stanley Ann Dunham?"<br /><br />She gave birth to the POTUS; what exactly do your kids do, again?"<br /><br />Quit acting dense, Truth. Just because a person manages to succeed in some way after a horrible thing has been done to him/her, it doesn't mean that he/she hasn't been affected, and it sure as hell doesn't mean that the person succeeds BECAUSE of the perpetrator's actions. <br /><br />A girl I know from college had been repeatedly raped by her step-father, as a prepubescent child. She was on a merit based scholarship, majoring in microbiology. Last I heard, she was accepted to an elite grad program, with a fellowship, to study bioengineering. Should her step-father point to her success and say, "See? And you told me raping kids was a bad thing! How are your step children doing, academically?" Should the mother consider her marriage to the perp a good decision that turned out well for everyone? <br /><br />Obama becoming president doesn't make his father any less of an ignoble piece of sh*t. Stanley Ann made a bad decision when she picked Obama Sr. as a husband and a father of her child. That's unarguable. I wouldn't want my daughter to make a similar mistake. Would you?Mayanoreply@blogger.com