tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post6782047709350456063..comments2024-03-29T05:14:33.223-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Newsweek v. Evolutionary PsychologyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53696014286874340372009-06-26T07:59:38.680-07:002009-06-26T07:59:38.680-07:00"Reactionary, "sexual peak" and &qu..."Reactionary, "sexual peak" and "sexual attractiveness" are not the same thing. That a women's sexual peak is in the late twenties/early thirties has been known for years."<br /><br />What do you mean by 'sexual peak'? Peak of what exactly? Lidibo? Skills? If it's skills I should like to point out that it doesn't take much skill to please a man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41343400167879530492009-06-26T01:04:40.969-07:002009-06-26T01:04:40.969-07:00Methinks: That is solid. I concur that there is a ...Methinks: That is solid. I concur that there is a lot to be gained from understanding the fetishization that all premodern cultures have to some extent, with their dichotomies of pure and impure, clean dirty. Why is something dirty? The olden answer is that the gods decree it so. Because our age has rejected the gods, it can steer clear of how human beings have taboos and fetishs, and condemn them as being "irrational," thus placing their own taboo upon the matter of taboo. Evolutionary psychology, at its best, dispassionately examines why human beings naturally have taboos. It also explains much hysteria, such as the environmental sort, and the Gaianists Half-Sigma describes. I agree. Popularization often is its own vulgarization.<br /><br />Ironically, primitivism is an excellent way of understanding the Greeks and their tragedy by looking before the Greeks. A lot of Classicism involves looking at how the traditions following the Greeks beheld their forebears. A lot can be learned from comparing the Iliad with tribal warfare, while usually the Iliad is seen through the Latins' battles. Dramaturgically, examining catharsis the way a Frenchman would in the time of Shakespeare is less releasing than feeling katharsis as a Greek did. You can learn more about Greek sculpture from the Cyclades chippings than you can from Michelangelo, just as the early modernists saw.Sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56555112381601341562009-06-25T20:48:12.237-07:002009-06-25T20:48:12.237-07:00If Sharon Begley had red hair, she would look like...If Sharon Begley had red hair, she would look like Agnes Moorhead.Cat Patrolnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44258357088170764462009-06-25T20:41:16.832-07:002009-06-25T20:41:16.832-07:00I don't agree, Sid. EP is largely solid and re...I don't agree, Sid. EP is largely solid and revelatory. Pinker's gone overboard...like with his hatred of modern art. I mean I don't consistently love modern art, but when I was younger I had wonderful pseudo-religious, mystical relationships with it...which the original modernists were very aware of. "Primitivism" in modern art is just another supporting argument for EP. Check out that ancient Greek word "katharsis." Duh. Pinker makes mistakes. <br /><br />Clearly the religious mytholization of the tribe can cause Spartan mothers to weep with real joy. But the revolutionary insights of EP are the best place to start comprehending how humans intuitively fetishize their tribe and gods. You're responding to the pop science thrust of the arguments. I tend to think many of the pop scientists are annoying populists, especially with their pitiful groveling to mainstream morality. "This is GOOD!" Yeah, and maybe it's not good, maybe it's the way it is, life is messed up. <br /><br />"People are the same!" Yeah, they're the same and they're hugely different, culturally and probably biologically, and there's no contradiction there, unless you wanna have a stupid superficial nature vs. nurture debate. Any "intellectual" avoids EP at their everlasting peril, though.methinksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56088802017790045352009-06-25T20:22:53.673-07:002009-06-25T20:22:53.673-07:00Yeah, she's stupid. In the 2d sentence she...Yeah, she's stupid. In the 2d sentence she's already calling rape a "trait", and in the 3d sentence she refers to " rape genes".BRTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57845693782144201282009-06-25T19:35:39.355-07:002009-06-25T19:35:39.355-07:00David - Ugly Begley - I know its crass of me but.....David - Ugly Begley - I know its crass of me but...LOL!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47649683262882057672009-06-25T19:30:56.942-07:002009-06-25T19:30:56.942-07:00Consider Mark Sanford. 49 years old, and he's ...<i>Consider Mark Sanford. 49 years old, and he's nailing a 43-year-old</i>.<br /><br />But that apparently started when she was 35 and he was 41.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41841279741633585132009-06-25T19:28:47.029-07:002009-06-25T19:28:47.029-07:00In all honesty, I put very little stock in evoluti...In all honesty, I put very little stock in evolutionary psychology. Most of the controversial, but accurate aspects of it aren't new discoveries. They're common sense (why family members prefer family members to strangers, why women want wealthy men, why men want beautiful women, etc). The problem is that the existentialist-postmodernist literati has refused to acknowledge even basic truths out of hopes of creating their own identities, or proclaiming the equality of all men, and consequently evolutionary psychology seems unusually powerful in contrast.<br /><br />But on its own, it's a rather flimsy interpretive art. Which is all it is. In Stephen Pinker's book, "The Language Instinct," he goes on at length to defend and uphold evolutionary psychology when it really isn't pertinent for the book.<br /><br />At one point, he dismisses that the mothers of ancient Spartan hoplites and feudal Samurai warriors would smile when hearing that their pugnacious sons were killed in combat, contending that history is written by generals, not by mothers. In fact, we all know that all mothers so dearly love their sons' lives, and not their glory, that no mother would rejoice at the account of her son's death!<br /><br />I almost threw my copy out of the window of such a stupid remark. I know little of Japanese historiography, but the accounts we have of Spartan culture come most clearly from Plutarch, a vegetarian who lived in the Roman Empire centuries after Sparta had been razed. Furthermore, the Purananuru of the Tamils has similar accounts of mothers rejoicing at the glorious deaths of their sons, crying with tears of joy. And Palestinian mothers have a similar jubilation when their children detonate themselves, as is consistently seen.<br /><br />Considering how Pinker is more or less the media face of evolutionary psychology and a popular science writer, and how he made an egregious error outside of his expertise by comparing the mentalities of war-bearing mothers to softened soccer moms, it puts the rest of evolutionary psychology at jeopardy. Whenever I hear an evolutionary psychologist extrapolate on the possible, or definite origins of such-and-such mental characteristic and how it relates to Darwinism, the scientific veneer they give themselves is now more blemished than ever.Sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1439323972543394322009-06-25T18:49:25.994-07:002009-06-25T18:49:25.994-07:00"If you scrutinize the data..."
From he..."If you scrutinize the data..."<br /><br />From <i>here?</i> Badabump.<br /><br />Hey, is this thing on?Assistant Village Idiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978011985085795099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20209564232840104162009-06-25T18:47:04.130-07:002009-06-25T18:47:04.130-07:00I can think simplify things even further: a large ...<i>I can think simplify things even further: a large percentage of Newsweek readers are probably lonely divorced women over 40 years old -- and not practicing Christians.</i><br /><br />My homepage on my work computer is uncontroversially set to msn.com. Just about every day there's a link on it advertising "Sexy plus-size [fill in the blank]!" I'm sure glad I don't cut myself that kind of slack.The Anti-Gnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386593803225823789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76462800063371856662009-06-25T18:37:30.911-07:002009-06-25T18:37:30.911-07:00That a women's sexual peak is in the late twen...<i>That a women's sexual peak is in the late twenties/early thirties has been known for years.</i><br /><br />That's probably when men are the most adept at loveplay and sexual intercourse as well. And the libido of both sexes declines with their respective hormones. So again, whence this strange mythology of all these Olympia Dukakis-tiger lilies whose supposedly dried-up, stale husbands nevertheless seem to be having torrid affairs?The Anti-Gnostichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04386593803225823789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24639549319919481302009-06-25T18:26:29.484-07:002009-06-25T18:26:29.484-07:00I can think simplify things even further: a large ...I can think simplify things even further: a large percentage of Newsweek readers are probably lonely divorced women over 40 years old -- and not practicing Christians. <br /><br />This evolution piece is Newsweek's attempt at a cheer-up aimed at part of its core audience.David Davenportnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16165833682280398522009-06-25T18:20:44.874-07:002009-06-25T18:20:44.874-07:00Methinks their deep thinkers should stick to the h...<i>Methinks their deep thinkers should stick to the historical Jesus. But Newsweek knows its readers. Pious, comforting nonsense that relieves painful cognitive dissonance sells. Turning life into an intuitively-appealing morality play will always trump the unpleasant realities. Like Nietzsche said, Christian morality is more robust in "secular" intellectual culture than ever.</i>.<br /><br />Methinks Ms. Begley, like most Newsweek writers,editors,and bosspersons, is Jewish.<br /><br />///////////////////////////<br /><br />By rare coincidence, I happened to glance at that Newsweek piece. ( "Newsweek" -- the current title page says "New Week".) <br /><br />This Begley woman says one thing contradictory to the usual lieberal cant. The lieberal party line is that human evolution stopped a long time ago, maybe 100,000 years ago.<br /><br />Sexy Sharon B.'s article says, instead, that human evolution has continued unto more recent times. <br /><br />However -- get ready for Begley's New New Left spin -- this recent evolution has evolved men fit for our metrosexual current age, men less violent, more monogamous, kinder to stepchildren, etc.<br /><br />I'm not the first to note that someday soon the Left will concede a bit of ground regarding human evolution -- such as evolution not stopping 100,000 years ago. But having conceded a teensy bit of anthropological turf, the Left will continue to try to put their own spin on human evolution.David Davenportnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19840042326368439272009-06-25T17:26:21.674-07:002009-06-25T17:26:21.674-07:00Reactionary,
"I mean, surely you can tell a...Reactionary, <br /><br />"I mean, surely you can tell all this just from looking at Sharon Begley's picture."<br /><br />She does old and dour, doesn't she? Much older than her mid-forties. That's too bad--she looks just the way I imagine you look, judging from your tone. Rank attitudes make for rank, prunish faces. <br /><br />Sounds as if a middle-aged woman, perhaps your wife, left you in the dust and you've not gotten over it, holding a grudge against all women. My guess--you haven't the charm or sense of humor to attract a woman over 30, haven't the looks to attract one under 30 Poor, poor man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22610766499865314092009-06-25T16:46:43.785-07:002009-06-25T16:46:43.785-07:00Matriarchy is a complete and total dead end for ci...Matriarchy is a complete and total dead end for civilization. <br />On every level matriarchy self-destructs the framework for stable society. Ultimately matriarchy seeks to turn all men into non-males.<br /><br />Matriarchy is fundamentally incoherent and that is why it exists hardly anywhere and has rarely existed throughout history.<br /><br />If you are a king or ruler and you want to destroy a rival civilization a good battle plan is to do everything to encourage matriarchy in the rival civilization. That is true subversion.Shah Doobienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48205835788568315352009-06-25T16:26:21.452-07:002009-06-25T16:26:21.452-07:00Black Sea, all too true. Which is why people who t...Black Sea, all too true. Which is why people who think that honesty is always the best policy (at least in social life) usually haven't thought things through.<br /><br />Reactionary, "sexual peak" and "sexual attractiveness" are not the same thing. That a women's sexual peak is in the late twenties/early thirties has been known for years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3774017684873652152009-06-25T16:06:18.680-07:002009-06-25T16:06:18.680-07:00OneSTDV,
I've been reading HBD blogs f...OneSTDV,<br /> I've been reading HBD blogs for years and it's clear that feminists/leftists have their racial and sexual biases and conservative HBD advocates have theirs. Now HBD explains reality far better than feminist theory but:<br /><br />A. It is not flawless<br />B. A magic 8-ball could probably explain reality better than feminist theoryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20416472205642294712009-06-25T14:47:05.729-07:002009-06-25T14:47:05.729-07:00Even if the "module" model turns out dee...Even if the "module" model turns out deeply flawed, and many EP hypotheses are shown to be fallacious, the male lust for young, curvy chicks was absolutely cranium-crushingly obvious waaaay before Edward O. Wilson was conceived. You have to wonder if some of these people are living on the same planet. I mean is that even Evolutionary Psychology? Isn't that folk wisdom from pre-history, not to mention every single human culture ever? How intellectually insulated does this woman have to be?<br /><br />Methinks their deep thinkers should stick to the historical Jesus. But Newsweek knows its readers. Pious, comforting nonsense that relieves painful cognitive dissonance sells. Turning life into an intuitively-appealing morality play will always trump the unpleasant realities. Like Nietzsche said, Christian morality is more robust in "secular" intellectual culture than ever.methinksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33359226044647811042009-06-25T14:29:09.879-07:002009-06-25T14:29:09.879-07:00Besides, if you scrutinize the data, you find that...<i>Besides, if you scrutinize the data, you find that 50-ish men prefer 40-something women, not 25-year-olds</i> <br /><br />In other words, the youngest women they can get. :)Svigorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397917915404344439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60739136494850779892009-06-25T14:27:38.402-07:002009-06-25T14:27:38.402-07:00Could explain why there us so much more genetic di...<i>Could explain why there us so much more genetic diversity amongst equatorial Africans as opposed to the White Europeans and Asians who live in colder northern climates.</i> <br /><br />Wow, you're really making the rounds, aren't you? As I replied to your identical comments at MR and AR:<br /><br />Selection pressure is much higher in cold climes; lower selection pressure and you increase diversity.Svigorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397917915404344439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75084138330718614722009-06-25T13:16:10.374-07:002009-06-25T13:16:10.374-07:00"Could explain why there us so much more gene..."Could explain why there us so much more genetic diversity amongst equatorial Africans as opposed to the White Europeans and Asians who live in colder northern climates."<br /><br />That would already be pretty easily explained by the Out-of-Africa model, as the initial gene pool for populations outside of Africa would be smaller and thus initially less genetically diverse.<br /><br />No need to call upon a faster molecular mutation rate as a main explanatory factor. A potential additional factor? Perhaps, but I would doubt it's power as the main factor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83446446073616553532009-06-25T12:56:03.886-07:002009-06-25T12:56:03.886-07:00Pretty big for someone who doesn't display a ...Pretty big for someone who doesn't display a recent photo on his own blog, Steve. You too agnostic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1692149499353032632009-06-25T10:43:16.192-07:002009-06-25T10:43:16.192-07:00"Why Do We Rape, Kill and Sleep Around?"..."Why Do We Rape, Kill and Sleep Around?"<br /><br />What kind of article title is that?<br /><br />Who's "we"?<br /><br />I myself don't rape, kill and sleep around. Is Ugly Begley speaking for herself or tarring her potential date material with a broad brush?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54523396356341544772009-06-25T10:35:34.815-07:002009-06-25T10:35:34.815-07:00reading Roissy is doing Steve goodreading Roissy is doing Steve goodbgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76388451526618189332009-06-25T10:22:05.690-07:002009-06-25T10:22:05.690-07:00Nice pic! I picture flying monkeys! "Now my p...Nice pic! I picture flying monkeys! "Now my pretty--the ruby slippers!"joshnoreply@blogger.com