tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post6814232134485235868..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Spanish-surnamed U.S. medal winners: 5 out of 208Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger146125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67812597885971364212012-08-16T10:40:07.831-07:002012-08-16T10:40:07.831-07:00NOTA; I can not argue with you on anything there.NOTA; I can not argue with you on anything there.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83156857823356392712012-08-16T06:19:03.621-07:002012-08-16T06:19:03.621-07:00Truth:
It seems like the more common assumption h...Truth:<br /><br />It seems like the more common assumption here is that blacks do well at sports, as with various people complaining that the European nations were "cheating" by having blacks competing on their teams in track and field. <br /><br />Just based on observations, blacks seem to do very well at sports and show business, way above what you'd expect from their proportion in the population, and pretty badly in school and science and trouble with the law, again out of proportion to their population. <br /><br />It also appears that mestizos don't follow this pattern. They don't seem to do all that well in school (but it's hard to know how much of that is selective assimilation, where the Mexican girl that goes off to college often marries an Anglo guy and her kids are named Jones instead of Rodriguez). They don't seem to stand out in sports or entertainment--perhaps they're actually underrepresented in both. Again, it's not clear why. <br /><br />A huge amount of the discussion about that stuff here is crap, of course. Largely, that's because there isn't a deep fund of already-thought-out ideas and insights lying around to be brought into the discussion, and peoples' first cut arguments are often full of holes. NOTAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70479418018697029592012-08-15T14:55:17.213-07:002012-08-15T14:55:17.213-07:00Part of the problem with water polo is the water: ...<i>Part of the problem with water polo is the water: it slows everything down, and obscures the view. But take away the water and you've got team handball, which isn't that exciting to watch either. So that's the other part of the problem with water polo.</i><br /><br />How to make water polo more exciting?<br />Make it more like real polo!<br /><br />Instead of a swimming pool, use a shallow (4' or so) outdoor flood plain. Replace the horses with dolphins. Use a heavy ball that sinks to the ground. Keep the clubs / sticks / long things that the players use to hit the ball.USasian Boltnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23678329154171517502012-08-15T12:53:43.780-07:002012-08-15T12:53:43.780-07:00"I don't think there's any hypocrisy ..."I don't think there's any hypocrisy there. Biology matters in sports events..."<br /><br />Sure but the keystone thesis to this entire blog is that biology matters in ALL events. If it's a good thing, blacks do it poorly, whites do it well. Winning olympic medals is a good thing, so people here tend to highlight Jessica Ennis white heritage in an attempt to "claim" her in Chapel's "racial draft."<br /><br />Similarly, any black scientist, engineer, doctor, lawyer, etc, has a draft choice expended upon him, yet no light-skinned black ne'er do well ever has his white side "credited" on this blog.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37742806033225328672012-08-15T02:23:16.797-07:002012-08-15T02:23:16.797-07:00Truth-
""Yes. A lot of the apparent &qu...Truth-<br /><br />""Yes. A lot of the apparent "black" over-representation in sports comes from counting mixed race people as black."<br /><br />They are only "mixed race people" when convenient; I call them MRPWC's. I don't remember any London rioters being refered to, on this board, as "mixed-race."<br /><br />I don't think there's any hypocrisy there. Biology matters in sports events, so it is fair to want to distinguish between races as finely as possible. But any able-bodied person can throw a brick or loot a shop, and it's not like they are being measured for distances or times, so cultural factors come more into play. And blacks in London do seem to have a strong influence over an underclass culture containing black, white, and mixed race kids (watch the film 'kidulthood' if you wish to hear what they sound like).<br /><br />BigNoniePhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06671756632077615986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37532175329343366412012-08-14T23:42:41.872-07:002012-08-14T23:42:41.872-07:00"the remarkable lack of high achievers among ..."the remarkable lack of high achievers among the Hispanic Tidal Wave": given the rather impressive feats of Mayans, Incas and so forth, it is a bit of a puzzle. Did the great death rates from Old World diseases after European contact kill off disproportionately the able ones? But why both the intellectually able and the athletically able?<br /><br />Seriously: apart from anything else, these are the people who gave the world maize and the potato, which is a bloody sight more than Europeans of the time managed. What's up?<br /><br /><br />---------------<br /><br />Think of Mayan temples as big, immobile, stone low riders.ATBOTLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27733619096279884642012-08-14T21:47:32.083-07:002012-08-14T21:47:32.083-07:00"Yes, it's truly stupid to think that bla..."Yes, it's truly stupid to think that blacks/Africans could accomplish anything on their own without whites there to subsidize, organize and invent everything, even within the one area where blacks actually have competence - sports."<br /><br />Yes it would be quite difficult for a team of blacks to compete with a team of whites at basketball, if they had never played before.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15615096164103379532012-08-14T18:25:11.838-07:002012-08-14T18:25:11.838-07:00"But it still boggles my mind that Americans ...<em>"But it still boggles my mind that Americans can't fathom that many hiSPANics and LATINos are European (culturally and, often, phenotypically)."</em><br /><br />Notwithstanding the natural merit and advantage of having curiosity for and being inquiring about the race, beliefs and mores of foreign nations, why should Americans regard the Mexican and assorted South American columns socially invading their country with anything else than (albeit often ignorant) disdain?<br /><br />'Latino' and 'Hispanic' are American-manufactured Nixonian sociological fictions without applicability outside of affirmative-action papers and diversity offices in the US bureaucratic industrial complex.<br /><br /><em>"In terms of Medals per GDP, Guatemala, Colombia, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, and Cuba did better than Spain."</em><br /><br />The analogy is not sound. Those countries enumerated beside Spain are clearly non-white (and non-white by any local standard, whether Western European or compared to the indigenous white standard in Asiatic countries as Turkey or Iraq) and the bulk of whites in Cuba, Colombia, etc, a meagre if powerful minority, are mostly not the racial kind of whites best fitted by their physical nature or circumstance to excel in rigorous competitive exercises. <br /><br />Conversely, Spain is a wealthy and stable Western European nation in its biology and culture (the latter proceeding from the former) and, as Mr Sailer has described, participates in sports congruent with this origin and outlook. The athletic focus falls sharply in Olympic contests on sports which the poor and mixed-caste or Amerind Cubans and Dominicans cannot afford, and thus dislike and ignore. It's much harder for Spaniards to defeat Germans and Britons and (white) Americans in canoe racing than it is for Cubans to dominate baseball which Spaniards positively scorn. <br /><br />For example in 2008 at Peking,<br /><a href="http://www.teleprensa.es/imgnews/POliciaSAULCRAVIOTTOOlimpic.jpg" rel="nofollow">Spaniard Saul Craviotto</a> won the gold medal for the sprint canoe K-2 500m race. At London in 2012 Craviotto won the silver, beaten by the <a href="http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/7auJalP2CANaIkSyBd7ISA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zMTU7cT04NTt3PTQ1MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2012-08-11T121946Z_1_CBRE87A0Y9700_RTROPTP_2_OLY-CANO-CFMK12-CFM112101.JPG" rel="nofollow">native Briton Ed McKeever</a>.<br /><br />It's hard to imagine a sport more centred on upper middle class, single-mindedly devoted vaguely Teutonish Western Europeans than canoe racing, and <a href="http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Saul+Craviotto+Rivero+Olympics+Day+15+Canoe+-HTE6_rng_Fl.jpg" rel="nofollow">the podium results at the Olympics demonstrate this</a>. I do however agree with the drift of a previous commenter about prevailing Anglophone (mainly US-originating) notions about Spain: it's a Mediterranean Western European nation, comparison with the nations of Central and South America is not enlightening.Intelligent Non-Americannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68662168737537316432012-08-14T14:13:08.023-07:002012-08-14T14:13:08.023-07:00"Believing that a few of the children of &quo...<i>"Believing that a few of the children of "rich" connected Africans could compete on sheer athletic potential against the multi-billion dollar coporate/government sports institutes, prize monies, training, facilities, drugs, psychiatrists, family structures, etc. of the world's athletic powers, is akin the the stupidity I've read here..." </i><br /><br />Yes, it's truly stupid to think that blacks/Africans could accomplish anything on their own without whites there to subsidize, organize and invent everything, even within the one area where blacks actually have competence - sports.Camlostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20815293575252993572012-08-14T13:01:53.072-07:002012-08-14T13:01:53.072-07:00"given the rather impressive feats of Mayans,..."given the rather impressive feats of Mayans, Incas and so forth, it is a bit of a puzzle. Did the great death rates from Old World diseases after European contact kill off disproportionately the able ones? But why both the intellectually able and the athletically able?"<br /><br />Stab in the dark: there's usually a trade-off in how resources are allocated. Given how severe the European-introduced plagues were, killing off something like 90% of the population, those whose genetics didn't prioritize the immune system above all likely didn't make it.Melendwyrhttp://occludedsun.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39277912567716186392012-08-14T11:48:59.798-07:002012-08-14T11:48:59.798-07:00Hacienda said...
O.P. said...
"That is ver...Hacienda said... <br /><br />O.P. said...<br /><br /><i>"That is very strange that Arabs are so unathletic considering they have a very high-school-jock culture and attitude."</i><br /><br />It's not so much Islam but Arab culture - though Islam likely makes it worse. Christian Arabs have much the same attitudes.<br /><br /><i>I believe it's a very vicarious jock culture or one, two-off.</i><br /><br />Yup.<br /><br />It's is if Arabs have the bad traits of jocks - arrogance, wastefulness, machismo, bullying, cruelty, irresponsibility, anti- intellectualism - but none of the athleticism and sportsmanship.<br /><br />They have this love of partying, drinking, smoking, toking; all an act of fake rebellion. Yet they piously enforce the moral laws on their social inferiors. And they haven't the balls for any real opposition to corrupt kings and presidents or repressive mullahs (specially if it's <b>their</b> kings rather than hated western puppets.)<br /><br /><i>Like the shieks who build state of the art gold courses in the desert, or own racehorses, but never actually play the sports or get involved with the horses themselves. They seem to enjoy the trappings of sport.</i><br /><br />Its their way of showing off their wealth, like another yacht they never sail, or limousine they never drive.<br /><br /><i>Islam and actual sporting practice- oil and water. Not meant to mix. Where, after all, are the great Islamic sporting nations?</i><br /><br />The non-Arab ones - Iran and Turkey mostly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41325399855228029002012-08-14T11:22:24.552-07:002012-08-14T11:22:24.552-07:00"'Again, if you know of a good place to f...<i>"'Again, if you know of a good place to find out the precise racial background of each rioter please feel free to point us there.'<br /><br />I find that the computer screen works pretty well."</i><br /><br />Really? You must have got an extra-special computer screen along with your decoder ring. Looking at images of the POTUS on my computer screen I could have sworn he was a mulatto but no. He's black.Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85631719790730497542012-08-14T11:10:15.675-07:002012-08-14T11:10:15.675-07:00Believing that a few of the children of "rich...<i>Believing that a few of the children of "rich" connected Africans could compete on sheer athletic potential against the multi-billion dollar coporate/government sports institutes, prize monies, training, facilities, drugs, psychiatrists, family structures, etc. of the world's athletic powers</i><br /><br />The Spaniards were 100/107th as good as the black US team. The black US team players have had much better training and competition in basketball and from a much earlier age than the Spaniards.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23979110697333560152012-08-14T10:50:27.645-07:002012-08-14T10:50:27.645-07:00Yes? Jamaica still did well in terms of medals per...<i>Yes? Jamaica still did well in terms of medals per gdp per capita.</i><br /><br />Yes and a known doper won a quarter of their medals, and it's very likely their other athletes who won medals are dopers as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73979190460783122962012-08-14T09:38:47.866-07:002012-08-14T09:38:47.866-07:00Money is only (a very large) part of the problem, ...Money is only (a very large) part of the problem, the main part is that the best African athletes, or the best Africans at anything they do, do not compete. <br /><br />West Africa is the world largest nepocracy, and the world's smallest meritocracy. Totally disregarding money, you simply do not get a chance to do anything in Africa in any field without family and tribal connections, and those change with who's tribe is in power at the time.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7194849906795223432012-08-14T09:08:52.024-07:002012-08-14T09:08:52.024-07:00"Believing that a few of the children of &quo...<b>"Believing that a few of the children of "rich" connected Africans could compete on sheer athletic potential against the multi-billion dollar coporate/government sports institutes, prize monies, training, facilities, drugs, psychiatrists, family structures, etc. of the world's athletic powers, is akin the the stupidity I've read here..."</b><br /><br />Jamaica does it. Kenya does it. Ethiopia des it.<br /><br />Running speed certainly benefits from taining, by all means. But, probably as with racehorses, who come from a very narrow gene pool, it's a pretty unidimensional trait - you're either fast or you're slow. There are a few genes which probably affect speed, but unlike with some other traits they don't number in the hundreds.<br /><br />And there are at least a few West African countries with the organization and the money to fund Olympic programs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30341239669356868402012-08-14T08:09:31.819-07:002012-08-14T08:09:31.819-07:00Best performers in the Defection Race:
#1 - Camer...Best performers in the Defection Race:<br /><br />#1 - <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/news/9458906/Cameroon-athletes-missing-from-London-2012-Olympics-amid-asylum-fears.html" rel="nofollow">Cameroon 7</a><br /><br />#2 - <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-4-congo-olympic-delegation-174501422--oly.html" rel="nofollow">Congo 4</a><br /><br />#3 - <a href="http://www.euronews.com/2012/08/13/list-of-missing-olympians-grows/" rel="nofollow">Ivory Coast 3</a>Raciss Chavshttp://21stcenturywire.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/chav23.jpgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26211319740715508472012-08-14T08:05:45.978-07:002012-08-14T08:05:45.978-07:00"That's a very odd result, if West Africa..."That's a very odd result, if West Africans are the athletic supermen some people make them out to be."<br /><br />Believing that a few of the children of "rich" connected Africans could compete on sheer athletic potential against the multi-billion dollar coporate/government sports institutes, prize monies, training, facilities, drugs, psychiatrists, family structures, etc. of the world's athletic powers, is akin the the stupidity I've read here in that Einstein could have come up with the theory of relativity if someone had thrown a few astronomy books in his crib. Or that Jimmi Hendrix was a great guitarist naturally and did not need to practice. <br /><br />Of course I expect nothing more at this point.<br /><br /><br /><br />Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57517085552654897392012-08-14T07:53:43.387-07:002012-08-14T07:53:43.387-07:00"Again, if you know of a good place to find o..."Again, if you know of a good place to find out the precise racial background of each rioter please feel free to point us there."<br /><br />I find that the computer screen works pretty well.<br /><br />And when did John Entine say that the guy who runs fastest was "the best athlete?"Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29006726086623793282012-08-14T06:18:23.112-07:002012-08-14T06:18:23.112-07:00"Like the shieks who build state of the art g...<i>"Like the shieks who build state of the art gold courses in the desert, or own racehorses, but never actually play the sports or get involved with the horses themselves. They seem to enjoy the trappings of sport. Islam and actual sporting practice- oil and water. Not meant to mix."</i><br /><br />Not always. UK shooting medal winner Peter Wilson was coached by this guy, from this family.<br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/shooting/9448296/London-2012-Olympics-Shotgun-Sheikh-shares-secrets-of-success-with-double-trap-shooting-champion-Peter-Wilson.html<br /><br /><i>"The young Wilson was in China as part of the Mission 2012 programme, giving potential Olympians a chance to witness the Games in action. He approached the Sheikh and asked him a simple question: would he help him become the Olympic champion? <br /><br />“I looked at him and thought he had something,” said the Sheikh. “And what he had is the most important quality of all: the desire to get to the top.” <br /><br />“This man is a prince,” said Wilson. “It’s quite bonkers really that he agreed to coach me. I’m just so honoured. It’s as if Prince William was teaching me how to fly a helicopter.” "</i><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/shooting/9448408/London-2012-Olympics-Sheikh-Maktoums-sporting-influence-spreads-wide.html<br /><br /><i>"His son Sheikh Ahmed won shooting gold for the United Arab Emirates at the 2004 Athens Olympics and has trained British gold medallist Peter Wilson for the last four years.<br /><br />Rashid Maktoum took individual gold in endurance horse riding at the 15th Asian Games in 2006 and also joined with Ahmed, Majid and Hamdan to take the team gold as well.<br /><br />Their sister Maitha led the UAE team in taekwondo and their cousin Latifa won bronze in show jumping."</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53108115652595564052012-08-14T05:03:21.887-07:002012-08-14T05:03:21.887-07:00@Steve Sailer
"Spanish-surnamed U.S medal ... @Steve Sailer<br /><br /> "Spanish-surnamed U.S medal winners:5 out of 208"<br /><br /> So what? The Latino immigrants who come to America do so because they are indigents. They are too busy working minimum-wage jobs to buy food and to have a roof over their heads to win Olympic medals or Nobel prizes. Do you have any idea the kind of time and financial and technical resources needed to win an Olympic medal? Do you think Olympic competitors work day jobs - with very few exceptions? Do you think they just train at any gym or anywhere? No, they do state-of-the-art training at state-of-the-art facilities and have armies of kinesiologists, physiologists, nutritionists and medical doctors helping them. This is also the reason why the countries with the largest number of Olympic medalists and Nobel prize winners are either capitalist socities that reward athletic success handsomely or Communist countries like China where the state makes Olympic medals a prime priority for state-propaganda reasons.<br /><br /> What pisses me off is that you make obvious observations as if they were some kind of profound revelation, and think that this proves some point you have, when in reality it often has more likely explanations that actually suggest the opposite of what you are proposing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15314313027458708072012-08-14T04:53:09.427-07:002012-08-14T04:53:09.427-07:00@Anonymous 10:47 PM
"The white-majority An... @Anonymous 10:47 PM<br /><br /> "The white-majority Anglosphere (US, UK, CANADA, AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND, IRELAND) won 89 of the 302 gold medals awarded."<br /><br /> Yeah, but Anglosphere countries are all highly deveeloped capitalist societies where sports are big business and where gifted athletes have enormous technical and financial incetives to become as good as they can be. The same happens in a Communist regime such as China where the government spends tons of money and resources to screen atheletically gifted children and then do whatever it takes to make them as good as they can be.<br /><br /> You people(racist conservatives) think that everything is about innate talent and that certain peoples are inferior. Of course, you remain silent or make all sorts of excuses when Asian children outscore white children on IQ and scholastic tests. Why can't you accept that Third World countries have innate disadvantages in producing Olympic medalists and Nobelists? They don't have the resources to make their athletes as good as they can be, and they do not have the universities and research centers to produce to foster their cognitivelly gifted youths to become top scientists and researchers. Not a difficult concept to grasp. But believing that it's all about genes is more reassuring to racists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50831692407377507582012-08-14T03:49:50.128-07:002012-08-14T03:49:50.128-07:00"Jamaica did well in terms of medals per gdp ...<i>"Jamaica did well in terms of medals per gdp per capita."</i> <br /><br /><i>Jamaica won 12 medals, all of them in track and field.</i> <br /><br /><br />Yes? Jamaica still did well in terms of medals per gdp per capita.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53169415724486685722012-08-14T01:26:53.518-07:002012-08-14T01:26:53.518-07:00"Races, both foot and swimming have been goin..."Races, both foot and swimming have been going on since the beginning of time. Same goes for boxing and wrestling. Pretty much all the rest is contrived to create an extravaganza."<br /><br />Don't buy it.<br /><br />Long ago, anywhere, no one ever ran 100 meters in a straight line on a track, off blocks, gun start. Add recent innovations like professional paid competitions, weight coaches, athletic science, performance enhancers, variable drug testing regulations by country. Adds up to <br />contrived in the nth degree.Haciendanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90977169272472943972012-08-14T01:16:16.492-07:002012-08-14T01:16:16.492-07:00"That is very strange that Arabs are so unath..."That is very strange that Arabs are so unathletic considering they have a very high-school-jock culture and attitude."<br /><br />???<br /><br />I believe it's a very vicarious jock culture or one, two-off. Like the shieks who build state of the art gold courses in the desert, or own racehorses, but never actually play the sports or get involved with the horses themselves. They seem to enjoy the trappings of sport. Islam and actual sporting practice- oil and water. Not meant to mix.<br /><br />Where, after all, are the great Islamic sporting nations?<br /><br />Haciendanoreply@blogger.com