tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post6957019224263335389..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Gay marriage: 0 for 31Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger113125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70014068471465608172011-09-06T01:04:24.383-07:002011-09-06T01:04:24.383-07:00Whiskey!!!!!!!!!Whiskey!!!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72181225423633187332009-11-07T08:11:46.684-08:002009-11-07T08:11:46.684-08:00Er, if gays don't really want to marry, then w...Er, if gays don't really want to marry, then why do so many gay couples get married when it becomes legal to do so?<br /><br />My impression is that the push for gay marriage is a combination of the desire for overt social acceptance, and the desire for the same easy-to-get bundle of legal rights as straight couples. I think it's fairly hard to get that with civil unions, because they normally don't just plug into all the existing rules and laws and contracts in the same place as marriages, and they mean rather different things in different states. <br /><br />I wonder if a workable solution there would be a federal civil union statute that defined civil unions as having exact legal equivalence to marriage. This would overcome the reluctance of most Americans to redefine marriage, but would still leave gay couples with the bundle of legal rights they're trying to get. <br /><br />Polling numbers on this show a slim majority of Americans supporting civil unions now, and among younger voters, I think there's already majority support for gay marriage. So unless something changes (people get more conservative over time, say), I think we'll have gay marriage with popular support in another 20-30 years, barring (say) an activist supreme court that finds some reason in the constitution to forbid it. <br /><br />I'll admit that I can't think of any major bad effects of this. Lots of long-term gay couples exist now, and their legal arrangements for stuff like pensions and health care and child custody and medical decisions would become much simpler to arrange (and not subject to wildly different interpretations in different states, assuming nationwide gay marriage recognition). I don't see how this harms me or my marriage in the least.none of the abovenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11768056306843509112009-11-06T21:23:12.579-08:002009-11-06T21:23:12.579-08:00I'll never understand why you folks get so wor...<b>I'll never understand why you folks get so worked up about same-sex marriage. I get why you oppose taxes, and abortion, and affirmative action, and even antidiscrimination laws and fair housing laws. Each of those at least arguably imposes a cost on someone. But it doesn't hurt anyone for me to marry my boyfriend. It doesn't reward the promiscuity, riskiness and sexual abandon that you folks think of as "the gay lifestyle" at all -- because getting married is opposed to all of that!</b><br /><br />Some of us are more worried about how than if: gay marriage imposed by judges, or gay witch hunts against people who contribute to referendums. In Washington State I guess gays were/are even trying to force the state to release the 100,000+ names of those who signed the petition. It's Stalinist.<br /><br />Truth is that gays don't really even want to marry, and those gay men that dow ill be far less likely to remain mongamous than heterosexual married couples, anyway.Jimmy Crackedcornnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12258141442943666782009-11-06T18:56:39.352-08:002009-11-06T18:56:39.352-08:00Anonymous said,
"Punishing people like us ...Anonymous said, <br /><br /><br />"Punishing people like us ..."<br /><br />Where's the "punishing"? Civil unions, domestic partnerships, etc. There's no punishing. People just want to keep a word that has meant the union of a man and woman distinguishable from something else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53262041384483408942009-11-06T17:44:32.385-08:002009-11-06T17:44:32.385-08:00I'll never understand why you folks get so wor...I'll never understand why you folks get so worked up about same-sex marriage.<br /><br />I get why you oppose taxes, and abortion, and affirmative action, and even antidiscrimination laws and fair housing laws. Each of those at least arguably imposes a cost on someone.<br /><br />But it doesn't hurt anyone for me to marry my boyfriend. It doesn't reward the promiscuity, riskiness and sexual abandon that you folks think of as "the gay lifestyle" at all -- because getting married is opposed to all of that! My boyfriend and I are monogamous, safe, STD-free, and frankly make more money and pay more taxes than probably 90% of the people posting in this thread (very good law degree and very good PhD between the two of us). And you know what? I know a lot of gay people, and every single gay person I know who wants to get married is similarly restrained and monogamous.<br /><br />Punishing people like us to spite the sexually promiscuous gay people is like punishing the students who show up to school to spite the students who are cutting class that day. Not only is it nonsensical, it's actually counterproductive -- because it punishes the behavior that you claim to want to encourage!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47413846013918646802009-11-06T15:28:58.453-08:002009-11-06T15:28:58.453-08:00If the Moberly reparative drive theory is true, th...If the Moberly reparative drive theory is true, then bullying, often intended to "make a (straight) man" out of the victim, is instead one of the factors that makes young men gay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87105452182810315232009-11-06T11:03:17.219-08:002009-11-06T11:03:17.219-08:00There are a series of implicit association tests a...There are a series of implicit association tests at implicit.harvard.edu where you can test yourself for homophobia, racism, ainti-aisan bias, etc. I found that I have no automatic preference between European American and Africian Americian but have a slight bias against gay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73270220626438328262009-11-06T10:03:27.915-08:002009-11-06T10:03:27.915-08:00Come on, it's not like there is a concerted ef...<i>Come on, it's not like there is a concerted effort by the entire gay population to force this on us. It's a small vocal minority with a lot of outside leadership and funding.</i> <br /> <br /><br /><br /><br />Exactly. "Gay marriage" is not actually a gay issue, it's an issue of the cultural left.<br /><br />And the cultural left is not really very interested in gay marriage as such. They are interested in power for its own sake. They are driving the whole gay marriage cause for "Lets poke a stick in the eye of those squares and show them who's boss here" reasons.flenserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10123639350604605006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57324587597570276542009-11-06T09:49:03.238-08:002009-11-06T09:49:03.238-08:00Correction--I meant HPV and cervical cancer (think...Correction--I meant HPV and cervical cancer (think I typed uterine, but post isn't yet up to check.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30615802590474476972009-11-06T08:51:33.801-08:002009-11-06T08:51:33.801-08:00Farmer F said,
"Much as I admire Cochran an...Farmer F said, <br /><br />"Much as I admire Cochran and Harpending's other ideas, the gay germ theory is an unneccessary over-complication of what is basically a human reparative drive."<br /><br />Actually, I think the idea of a "reparative drive" is the idea that is overly complicated.<br /><br />The last decade or so has been one in which we have just begun to accept the notion that bugs are the cause of chronic illnesses and that they can also affect behavior. Think strep, think HPV and uterine cancer as just two examples.) Like Ewald pointed out, it takes time for a whole new generation of researchers who aren't bound to old ideas to get on the right track.<br /><br />Because most of us can't even begin to wrap our minds around the concept of being attracted to a person of the same gender we have assumed the answer lay in the psychological rather than in the biological. <br /><br />Anyway, IMHO, it's the "psychological" that I would term the "overly complicated" explanation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50997869859419373692009-11-06T06:17:31.830-08:002009-11-06T06:17:31.830-08:00Rob said
> Thanks to Obama, HIV is no longer &...Rob said<br /><br />> Thanks to Obama, HIV is no longer "a communicable disease of public health significance." He is truly a great man. Now he just needs to makes every other disease go away too. <<br /><br />His health plan makes "the uninsured" go away as well. It says everyone must have health insurance by law. Poof! Another problem solved!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49354335991056045782009-11-06T05:00:25.907-08:002009-11-06T05:00:25.907-08:00Has anybody noticed that 31 referenda, translated ...Has anybody noticed that 31 referenda, translated into legislatures, would ratify a Constitutional amendment?Ed the Romannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80682614682462095662009-11-06T02:16:00.942-08:002009-11-06T02:16:00.942-08:00"Many people think New England is very libera..."Many people think New England is very liberal. However, outside of the Boston metro area, New England is actually quite conservative, especially socially conservative. That the Maine state voters voted down allowing gay marriage does not surprise me."<br /><br />... and this is in spite of the fact that Maine (along with most of New England out side Boston) is probably the whitest part of the country. In fact, Maine itself is the whitest state in the nation.<br /><br />By contrast, if San Francisco had a referendum on the topic, voters would overwhelmingly approve gay marriage. This, in spite of the fact that non-hispanic whites are a minority in SF. Contrary to what many on this site believe, racial minorities are not the mortal enemy of social liberalism. <br /><br />Also noteworthy is the fact that Maine is one of the most secular states in the nation. It's also solidly democratic.<br /><br />Really, the secular white liberal elites don't have any scapegoats with this one!muffynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53067807152572568862009-11-06T02:12:26.786-08:002009-11-06T02:12:26.786-08:00"But feeling this deficit or being gender aty..."But feeling this deficit or being gender atypical as a kid doesn't have to have a psychological etiology--it can be biologically rooted and that then affects the psychological."<br /><br />That is the real question..the nature v nuture component is yet to be determined. <br />There is strong evidence that this identity is strongly ingrained by age 2, which is why most gay men will say that they felt different from their earliest memories.<br /><br /> This implies an early etiology but does not mean a total biological cause, only a very very early disruption. Children are blotting paper for influences as soon as they are born. <br /><br />The biological cause, and associated evolutionary drives are more likely to manifest in the immediate family dynamic.<br /><br /> However what is of interest is not only how homosexuality is caused but what causes heterosexuality? I would like to see some stellar intellects of the punditgentsia applied to this<br />question .<br /><br /><br />What causes 95 % of the population to NOT be homosexual?<br /><br />Can we predict it, can we describe how a default setting is successfully developed in the vast majority of the population?<br /><br />What are the basic nuts and bolts bonding processes that occur for 95% of us that do not occur for gay people?<br /><br /> Only when we understand this can we understand homosexuality. <br /> <br />If science were to study health as much as it studies dis-ease, would we have a better idea of how children bond and develop their later heterosexual identities? <br /><br />Call it psychobabble, but we all have psyches, and when they are reasonably healthy we take them for granted.<br /><br />One day we will see homosexuality as not an entity in itself but merely the state of not being heterosexual.<br /><br />Farmer FAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8599825241349570682009-11-05T20:57:02.805-08:002009-11-05T20:57:02.805-08:00Ronduck, you shoulda read the article.
?Under the...Ronduck, you shoulda read the article.<br /><br /><i>?Under the ban, United States health authorities have been required to list H.I.V. infection as a “communicable disease of public health significance.”</i><br /><br />Thanks to Obama, HIV is no longer "a communicable disease of public health significance." He is truly a great man. Now he just needs to makes every other disease go away too. <br /><br />I have a feeling the AIDS activists didn't think very hard before pushing against the ban. I guess HIV really is just an easily avoidable, fashionable venereal disease.robnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37465572045517542472009-11-05T19:26:54.670-08:002009-11-05T19:26:54.670-08:00What I find more ironic is that we've spent th...<i>What I find more ironic is that we've spent the last 40 years telling straight people they don't need to marry - to have sex, to shack up, to have children. But who really does need it? The gays!!!</i><br /><br />You ever seen "How to Murder Your Wife" (1965)? It's the Frankfurt School in overdrive: don't get married, or if you've already made that mistake go ahead and kill her.<br /><br /><i>And if gay marriage is really the biggest civil rights issue left then it tells you that there aren't really any civil rights issues left - unless, you know, you start talking about the civil rights of whites.</i><br /><br />Good stuff, Jimmy.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4259180600272556772009-11-05T19:19:12.503-08:002009-11-05T19:19:12.503-08:00You'd think after 31 no's the gays would a...<i>You'd think after 31 no's the gays would accept the wishes of the people. But no they won't.</i><br /><br />Come on, it's not like there is a concerted effort by the entire gay population to force this on us. It's a small vocal minority with a lot of outside leadership and funding.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80405288683057720562009-11-05T19:17:21.215-08:002009-11-05T19:17:21.215-08:00But the thing is, Mr.Sailer, you see, that the onl...<i>But the thing is, Mr.Sailer, you see, that the only people who should have any say on whether Adam and Steve get married are not voters, they are...Adam and Steve. Frankly, it is not anyone business whether two people join their lives or not, and voters certainly do not have the right to say anything about it. Gay marriage3 is something that doesen't affect anyone but the gay people getting married.</i><br /><br />Poor comment.<br /><br />Gay people can *already* marry; they can "join their lives"; they can make mutual vows in front of witnesses and either keep or break those vows. What the legalization movement is about is forcing the rest of to recognize something we don't want to recognize. Obviously, then, it *does" affect us.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51728979746366567472009-11-05T19:04:45.860-08:002009-11-05T19:04:45.860-08:00Homosexuals are only 2% of the population.
Now, t...Homosexuals are only 2% of the population.<br /><br />Now, that 2% tends to be educated, but it's still only 2%Cat Patrolnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71001807444896748372009-11-05T18:21:55.374-08:002009-11-05T18:21:55.374-08:00I think it's accurate to say that outside a fe...<i>I think it's accurate to say that outside a few places like Cambridge, Amherst, and Provincetown, New England is mainstream liberal rather than crazy leftist, but not conservative.</i> J Kabala<br /><br />That depends on how you define "conservative", and how you define "New England".<br /><br />Three major strains make up N.E., in chronoligical and leftward order: the Puritan-descended, now-irrelevant Yankees; the great mass of unpronounceable "Euro-Americans", Irishmen and Québécois included; and the recently arrived "New Class" of academics, bureaucrats, media and techie types. They tend to think and vote quite differently.<br /><br />New England was the slowest region to ratify the income tax and Prohibition (blame the Yankees for the former and the Catholics for the latter!), and the most consistent in opposition to Wilson and FDR. Kevin Phillips called it the most conservative seciton of the country, opposing innovations, but attempting to control them once they're in place.<br /><br />Maine is one of the whitest states, all but 3% white. And half of that must be American Indian-- Maine has the largest indigenous population on the East Coast after New York and North Carolina, if I remember correctly.<br /><br />That suggests a sister acronym for "NAM": NINCs-- non-indigenous non-Caucasian. How did the Somalis vote on this?Reg Cæsarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48374516014564322082009-11-05T17:14:47.675-08:002009-11-05T17:14:47.675-08:00"Consent of the governed" - something fo...<i> "Consent of the governed" - something forgotten since at least 1865.</i> --David<br /><br />Yes, we forget about the genuine consent of the majority of those governed in Mississippi and South Carolina before 1865.<br /><br />White minority status. An American tradition since 1820.Reg Cæsarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88125863990689602802009-11-05T15:17:10.001-08:002009-11-05T15:17:10.001-08:00Kurt: I wish that were true, but it clearly isn...Kurt: I wish that were true, but it clearly isn't. I think it's accurate to say that outside a few places like Cambridge, Amherst, and Provincetown, New England is mainstream liberal rather than crazy leftist, but not conservative.James Kabalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02335302113772004687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30355564713857175602009-11-05T14:21:58.064-08:002009-11-05T14:21:58.064-08:00Related to this, but Obama has lifted the ban on H...Related to this, but Obama has lifted the ban on HIV positive people entering the United States. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/us/politics/31travel.html?_r=2" rel="nofollow">nytimes.com</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85593616396945923252009-11-05T14:02:03.911-08:002009-11-05T14:02:03.911-08:00P Coderch said.
"it is none of their busines...P Coderch said.<br /><br />"it is none of their business and because it is unconstitutional to grant rights to a part of society but not to another."<br /><br /><br />Gays have the same right to marry as anyone else in the country as long as they are of the age of consent in their state.<br /><br />They are asking for the right to make a change which is not the same thing as asking for the "same rights."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77856134904342865702009-11-05T13:57:43.042-08:002009-11-05T13:57:43.042-08:00P. Conderch
No, we have the right to define marr...P. Conderch<br /><br />No, we have the right to define marriage. To change it for one group with a particular pt. of view is to establish a precedent and ensure that it will be changed again and again... for other groups... and right now, in the opinion of the majority of the country, such a change is not beneficial to the society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com