tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post6983674330776824102..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: "Jews & IQ - An Exchange"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85739536637313802752008-11-30T20:04:00.000-08:002008-11-30T20:04:00.000-08:00This idea of one group being "smarter", on average...This idea of one group being "smarter", on average, than other groups is odious and sounds like the rationale of the Nazis. You Jews engaging in this nonsense ought to be ashamed. Such differences are the result of environment, not one group's inherent superiority.<BR/><BR/>What a bunch of hateful rubbish. I'm Greek, should I name ridiculous reasons why the Greeks might be considered superior to Jews? No, that would be rubbish too. By the way, my IQ is 156.<BR/><BR/>Especially comical are the arguments regarding the number of musical "composers" that various groups can claim. Excelling in a certain genre of music is supposed to indicate what, exactly? How many Jews excel at playing the Chinese lute, or a bouzouki? <BR/><BR/>The very validity of intelligence claims based on IQ test results can be debated endlessly. Judging instead by the posts in this discussion, there seems to be an awful lot of stupid Jews with keyboards.<BR/><BR/>There is one area in which Jews certainly do excel above all others: arrogance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3533071354589029772007-07-10T00:33:00.000-07:002007-07-10T00:33:00.000-07:00Many great musicians are jews, but relatively few ...Many great musicians are jews, but relatively few of the great composers were. Only two come to mind - Mendelsohn and Mahler.<BR/><BR/> Not true. Cole Porter was just about the ONLY popular American composer of his day who wasn't Jewish.<BR/><BR/> <BR/> Porter, Carmichael, Jimmy Van Heusen, Johnny Burke, Johnny Mercer, Eddie deLange, Frank Loesser.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16688568109594379098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51195827077748149762007-07-09T22:13:00.000-07:002007-07-09T22:13:00.000-07:00I sometimes wonder how much of the whole rise of s...<I>I sometimes wonder how much of the whole rise of safety nazis and scare tactics about children (mollestors under every bed, snatchers lurking ever outside, no playing outside without an adult, no walking to school) have to do with first-time parents being too old and fearful.</I> - mepo<BR/><BR/>Safety Nazis have done more damage than we'll ever know. Forget the worries about child molesters around every corner. Try a more prosaic one: car seats, and the legal requirement to use them. <BR/><BR/>When I was a kid and the family went someplace, mom just threw us all into the back of the station wagon. Time from out the door to out the driveway: 35.2 seconds.<BR/><BR/>Try that when every kid from 1 to 11 has to be buckled into a car seat, or mommy goes to jail.<BR/><BR/>Sure, without car seats some kids will suffer permanent injury or permanent death. But I wonder how many kids have never even been born thanks to nanny police state. How much of the West's demographic death dive owes to overregulation of parenting? A lot, I'd bet. When it comes to parenting, everyone in the West needs to drop a massive dose of buspirone in their Perrier.<BR/><BR/>And of course I won't even get in to how much more costly it is to buy a good house in a good neighborhood during the present immigration invasion, but that's a factor, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60636801681467407822007-07-09T10:02:00.000-07:002007-07-09T10:02:00.000-07:00Many great musicians are jews, but relatively few ...<I>Many great musicians are jews, but relatively few of the great composers were. Only two come to mind - Mendelsohn and Mahler.</I><BR/><BR/>Not true. Cole Porter was just about the ONLY popular American composer of his day who wasn't Jewish.<BR/><BR/>There was Irving Berlin (composed the soundtrack of "Top Hat," among other hits), Jerome Kern ("The Way You Look Tonight"), Harold Arlen ("Over the Rainobw"), George Gershwin, Kurt Weill, Alex North ("Unchained Melody"), and I need hardly mention Richard Rodgers (see: almost any Broadway classic).<BR/><BR/>Later came Marc Blitzstein, Cy Coleman, Stephen Sondheim, Jerry Herman, Frederick Loewe ("My Fair Lady"), James Horner ("Searching for Bobby Fischer")and Leonard Bernstein. Possily Max Steiner, the greatest film-score composer of all time, is also Jewish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16977417701469588982007-07-08T22:32:00.000-07:002007-07-08T22:32:00.000-07:00Remember that IQ has an environmental component. ...Remember that IQ has an environmental component. That component doesn't show up much in twin studies from middle-class adoptive homes, but when you're comparing across different cultures, it may. For example, Mormons tend to (generalizing wildly) avoid alcohol and caffeine and various hard-living excesses. They have kids younger, and have bigger families. They don't divorce or do the single mom raising five kids from six fathers thing much. Those all have an impact, which might very well show up on IQ even if there's no genetic difference. <BR/><BR/>The biggest long-term difference is demographic. Big families, early first births. Salt Lake City is weirdly different from other medium-sized cities for a lot of reasons, but one of the big ones is the demographic difference. There are about three times as many young people as you expect from living on the East Coast. A lower average age changes a lot about a culture. 40 year old only children having their first kid just look at the world differently than 22 year old brothers of seven siblings doing the same thing. I sometimes wonder how much of the whole rise of safety nazis and scare tactics about children (mollestors under every bed, snatchers lurking ever outside, no playing outside without an adult, no walking to school) have to do with first-time parents being too old and fearful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87389232888673426432007-07-08T20:06:00.000-07:002007-07-08T20:06:00.000-07:00Has it been suggested that Mosaic Law could have r...<I>Has it been suggested that Mosaic Law could have raised average Jewish IQ way back in the Holy Land? Selecting out people with IQs low enough to molest a donkey in front of two witnesses, for example. Always suspected that's how they eliminated the predisposition to alchoholism.</I><BR/><BR/>No, predisposition to alcoholism is low among all people in the Mediterranean region. This may be something of a fluke of genetics or it may be related to the spread of grain agriculture from the Middle East. The latter idea is that agricultural societies in the Mideast and the Mediterranean would have been exposed to alcohol much earlier than northern and western Europe. Incidentally, I believe that Ireland was among the last places that alcohol spread.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45849462664203101392007-07-08T18:50:00.000-07:002007-07-08T18:50:00.000-07:00Has it been suggested that Mosaic Law could have r...Has it been suggested that Mosaic Law could have raised average Jewish IQ way back in the Holy Land? Selecting out people with IQs low enough to molest a donkey in front of two witnesses, for example. Always suspected that's how they eliminated the predisposition to alchoholism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34710952070759246092007-07-08T13:37:00.000-07:002007-07-08T13:37:00.000-07:00I don't know of any comprehensive data on Mormon I...<I>I don't know of any comprehensive data on Mormon IQ offhand, but I think there are a couple of factors that select for intelligence and discipline among observant Mormons. One is the "words of wisdom" keeping observant Mormons on the straight-and-narrow;</I> - fred<BR/><BR/>The Word of Wisdom does drive out the more rash and impulsive Mormons. Not all of them, but a lot.<BR/><BR/>It's hard to overstate the moral demands of the Mormon Church. Other religions say they're against drinking. Mormonism demands that you not drink. Other religions talk about chastity. Mormonism demands it.<BR/><BR/><I>the other is the emphasis on global missionary work, with its corresponding language requirements.</I> - fred<BR/><BR/>The polyglot nature of Utah's white, Mormon population is certainly something to behold. It has definitely helped the state economically, but less so than you might expect, because pulling in the opposite direction is the emphasis on a very conventional lifestyle.<BR/><BR/>The expectations that were drilled into me in Sunday School were: go to college a year, turn 19, go on a mission for two years, come back and then find a wife, preferrably while still in college. Not much room for experimentation. How would you, for example, fit "become a musician" into that? If Bill Gates or Steve Jobs had been die-hard Mormons do you think they ever would've founded Microsoft or Apple?<BR/><BR/><I>That second factor, btw, has been the foundation of many Mormons' success in business.</I> - fred<BR/><BR/>Serving a mission is as much a sales experience as a religious one. It definitely teaches more young Mormon men to be more assertive in their lives (and to learn a language). And it also teaches a certain amount of self-discipline - or else pushes you towards mental breakdown.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72306967113926686622007-07-08T12:38:00.000-07:002007-07-08T12:38:00.000-07:00Mark,I don't know of any comprehensive data on Mor...Mark,<BR/><BR/>I don't know of any comprehensive data on Mormon IQ offhand, but I think there are a couple of factors that select for intelligence and discipline among observant Mormons. One is the "words of wisdom" keeping observant Mormons on the straight-and-narrow; the other is the emphasis on global missionary work, with its corresponding language requirements. <BR/><BR/>That second factor, btw, has been the foundation of many Mormons' success in business. Mormons were in ChinaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32277769720908694522007-07-08T08:37:00.000-07:002007-07-08T08:37:00.000-07:00Finally, I am not a Mormon and, while never having...<I>Finally, I am not a Mormon and, while never having read the Book of Mormon in full, do agree that the parts I have read seem unpreposessing...so they are probably right about the book itself not being a sign of high IQ, but I believe Mormons today are a very high-IQ group.</I> - James Kabala<BR/><BR/>Well, I have read the book, in full, unfortunately - enough to come away with the same impression that Mark Twain had: "Chloroform in print."<BR/><BR/>The Book of Mormon is highly derivative, borrowing liberally from the King James Bible - sometimes quoting chapters on end. That's why the LDS Church today still uses the King James Bible to this day, despite the availability of superior translations (in literal, though not literary, terms).<BR/><BR/>Don't get me wrong: Old Joe Smith was clearly a smart and very charismatic guy. But his Book doesn't qualify as great reading material.<BR/><BR/>Are Mormons a high IQ group? I was looking for the SAT data but couldn't find it, but it showed them as ever-so-slightly above average. Early Mormon pioneers included mostly poorer New England WASPs as well as converts from Britain and Scandinavia, so one might ecpect them to have slightly higher IQs than average.<BR/><BR/><I>Although Cochran and Harpending actually live in Utah, so maybe they've picked up something not clear to outsiders.</I><BR/><BR/>I doubt it. It was just an immediate example for them to provide. The fact that pre-8th Century Jews wrote the Bible doesn't help their thesis any.<BR/><BR/><I>In this discussion, it makes no difference why the dumb are reproducing faster than the smart. They are, and Jewish intermarriage is not going to change that.</I> - ff<BR/><BR/>No, it does matter, because human evolution takes place over millenia, not decades. Birth patterns could very easily change, because culture changes, and economic and environmental conditions change, too.. Indeed, birth rates have changed quite dramatically in just a few decades. Who's to say they won't change again?<BR/><BR/><I>Finally, Nobel prizes are not a strict measure of intelligence. Obviously, cultural and political factors affect who wins (who chooses science as a career, who networks more, etc.).</I><BR/><BR/>Well it ain't the high school dropouts who are choosing science as a career, I can assure you. There are a multitude of data points showing Jews are overwhelming represented among high IQ groups - usually by an order of magnitude.<BR/><BR/>Jews are about 2-3% of the US population, but 25-30% of the 400 richest Americans, for example, as well as 20% or more of Harvard undergrads.<BR/><BR/>No, it isn't all about intelligence. Other traits matter, as well. But the facts remain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69527419841294848662007-07-08T05:35:00.000-07:002007-07-08T05:35:00.000-07:00I forgot to mention this low IQ Irishman:Nobel pri...I forgot to mention this low IQ Irishman:<BR/><BR/>Nobel prize winner-physics-Robert Laughlin. His work on the fractional Quantum Hall Effect is crucial to research in Toplogical Quantum Computers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76773423700002988592007-07-08T05:12:00.000-07:002007-07-08T05:12:00.000-07:00"Jews have always had a controlled level of geneti..."Jews have always had a controlled level of genetic interchange with host populations... They let in only enough alien blood to make themselves LOOK like the host population."<BR/><BR/>By what mechanism do we Jews modulate this? My girlfriend is 1/4 German-Jewish, 1/4 Irish, and 1/2 WASP. I am 100% Jewish (ancestors from Poland and the Ukraine). <BR/><BR/><B> Probably full plate modulation with push pull medium-mu triodes.</B><BR/><BR/> Seriously- I don't think there is a conscious process per se, but in a large enough population thare is at any given time, a general zeitgeist for exogamy or endogamy. In 1955, Jews were not dissuaded from shiksa chasing-Eddie Fisher, Arthur Miller-and in 1985 there was much more pressure to marry in the tribe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25856277101138492802007-07-08T03:00:00.000-07:002007-07-08T03:00:00.000-07:00Re Mormons - it's interesting that as a group they...Re Mormons - it's interesting that as a group they seem to be selecting for high intelligence. I wonder if anyone will do a study on whether this is true, and if so, by what mechanisms. <BR/><BR/>My impression is there might be some political difficulty, but where with Jews it's "We know Jews are smart, but we don't want to talk about it", with Mormons I suspect it's more "We know Red Staters are dumb, and we don't want to see evidence to the contrary".<BR/><BR/>Re Heather MacDonald - yes, MacDonald indicates Scottish ancestry, it's not a common Ulster (Scots-Irish) name. Scots-Irish generally do lose the 'a', eg McBride, McCann.Vol-in-Lawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10547275023499511000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72932700090903919642007-07-08T02:48:00.000-07:002007-07-08T02:48:00.000-07:00DYork:"That is so true. The list of Scottish achie...DYork:<BR/>"That is so true. The list of Scottish achievers in science/technology/intellect/leadership is indeed remarkable"<BR/><BR/>OTOH the Scots-Irish in America are renowned more for their fighting prowess than their intellectual abilities. The Scots-Irish who remained in Ulster benefitted from the 'Great Awakening' and acquired the same love of knowledge, education and science as the Scottish and English in the 19th century; their kin folk in the USA did not. In the USA the education culture seems to have remained largely confined to the Puritan-influenced New Englanders.<BR/><BR/>OTOH, Scots-Irish in America do tend to be prominent in roles that require both brains and bravery, such as astronauts (Neil Armstrong, for one) and officers in combat units, such as Virginia Senator Jim Webb (and countless others).Vol-in-Lawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10547275023499511000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20124706835582725772007-07-08T01:24:00.000-07:002007-07-08T01:24:00.000-07:00Bryce Bryant:"Jews have always had a controlled le...Bryce Bryant:<BR/><BR/><I>"Jews have always had a controlled level of genetic interchange with host populations... They let in only enough alien blood to make themselves LOOK like the host population."</I><BR/><BR/>By what mechanism do we Jews modulate this? My girlfriend is 1/4 German-Jewish, 1/4 Irish, and 1/2 WASP. I am 100% Jewish (ancestors from Poland and the Ukraine). If we get married and decide to have kids, is there some central authority or group of Jewish elders I'm supposed to check with to see if our combined admixture fits the approved parameters for 'alien' blood? <BR/><BR/>Tommy:<BR/><BR/><I>"It does seem to me that Iranian Jews are a pretty bright lot. They are typically classified as Mizrahim."</I><BR/><BR/>I don't know of any comprehensive data, but I wouldn't be surprised if Iranian Jews were brighter, on average, than Jews from Arab countries, as Iran is a little more advanced than most Arab countries, and has a richer intellectual and cultural tradition. The previous Israeli president (forced to resign over a sexual scandal) was an Iranian-born Jew, btw. <BR/><BR/>AC:<BR/><BR/>If you know that couple, then the world is indeed small. On the remote chance someone lurking here might want to invade the couple's privacy, perhaps we should refrain from further details.<BR/><BR/>Anonymous 8:21:<BR/><BR/>Don't forget Yeats, Joyce and the great contemporary playwrights John Patrick Shanley (who is also the Academy Award winning screenwriter of Moonstruck) and Martin McDonagh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76998262239877924692007-07-07T23:48:00.000-07:002007-07-07T23:48:00.000-07:00Mark,You're clearly not in the running for any Nob...Mark,<BR/><BR/>You're clearly not in the running for any Nobel prizes yourself. <BR/><BR/>In this discussion, it makes no difference <I>why</I> the dumb are reproducing faster than the smart. They are, and Jewish intermarriage is not going to change that. <BR/><BR/>Your claim is that Jews have some magical intelligence gene comparable to "an opposable thumb" and that intermarriage will cause the IQ of the world's population to stabilize at 115 (which is probably a gross overestimate of Ashkenazi IQ, as I've already pointed out).<BR/><BR/>It doesn't matter what genes Jews have -- if they aren't being positively selected for in the population at large they will not lead to a noticeable intelligence increase in the population at large, since Jews are a tiny minority. (And, in fact, the selection pressure is undoubtedly negative, both because high intelligence is at present selected against and because specific Jewish IQ-boosting genes are also associated with disease.) <BR/><BR/>Murray is not a geneticist and he has not made any meaningful argument against Cochran and Harpending's theory. At this point, the only candidates for semi-uniquely Ashkenazi IQ-boosting alleles also have nasty side-effects (probably because at some point in Jewish history selection pressure for intelligence was higher than might be ideal).<BR/><BR/>Finally, Nobel prizes are not a strict measure of intelligence. Obviously, cultural and political factors affect who wins (who chooses science as a career, who networks more, etc.).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21947134131225502332007-07-07T21:17:00.000-07:002007-07-07T21:17:00.000-07:00"Mr. Murray suggests that the creation of the Hebr..."Mr. Murray suggests that the creation of the Hebrew Bible and, later, of Christian theology as presented in the New Testament are signatures of a population with high intelligence. But while the Bible is indeed a cornerstone of our civilization, is it necessarily evidence of a population with high IQ? Revered documents have come from populations that did not stand out in terms of intelligence—take, as one example, the Book of Mormon and its followers. We would also be inclined to attribute the New Testament mostly to Greeks rather than to Jews."<BR/> Cochran and Harprending are a smart guys, but this is one of the dumbest paragraphs ever penned, flawed in so many ways. I am a Christian myself and therefore perhaps biased, but even intelligent non-believers (save crazed fanatics of the Hitchens-Dawkins) have generally recognized the Bible as a massive literary as well as spiritual achievement. In the Old Testament, look at Genesis, Exodus, 1 and 2 Samuel, Job, Psalms, Ecclesiastes, Isaiah, Jeremiah - these are great as any Greco-Roman literature. As for the New Testament, even liberal scholars would not deny that its core is Jewish.<BR/> Finally, I am not a Mormon and, while never having read the Book of Mormon in full, do agree that the parts I have read seem unpreposessing (and supposedly the first edition was laced with atrocious grammatical errors of the "we was" variety), so they are probably right about the book itself not being a sign of high IQ, but I believe Mormons today are a very high-IQ group. (Although Cochran and Harpending actually live in Utah, so maybe they've picked up something not clear to outsiders.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85034769398075342062007-07-07T20:21:00.000-07:002007-07-07T20:21:00.000-07:00Another low IQ Irishman:4)Andrew Gleason,former Ha...Another low IQ Irishman:<BR/><BR/>4)Andrew Gleason,former Harvard mathematics professor who made a very important contribution to the quantum measurement problem(Gleason's Theorem).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70922594652382976862007-07-07T20:13:00.000-07:002007-07-07T20:13:00.000-07:00Here are few of those low IQ Irishmen:1)Curtis Mc...Here are few of those low IQ Irishmen:<BR/><BR/>1)Curtis McMullen, Fields medal winner<BR/><BR/>2)Dennis Sullivan, McMullens advisor<BR/><BR/>3)William Hamilton, created the Quaternions and the HamiltonianAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26188445486763182352007-07-07T20:11:00.000-07:002007-07-07T20:11:00.000-07:00To Fred:I just wanted to mention that I know the c...To Fred:<BR/><BR/>I just wanted to mention that I know the couple you are talking about. The world is small.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29650525194234958852007-07-07T18:57:00.000-07:002007-07-07T18:57:00.000-07:00Fred,I think the distinction you are looking for i...Fred,<BR/><BR/><I>I think the distinction you are looking for is between Sephardic Jews and Mizrahi Jews. Wikipedia also gives estimates of how many Ashkenazi, Sephardic, and Mizrahi Jews are in Israel: 3-4 million Ashkenazim, approx. 700k Sephardim, and about 2.5 million Mizrahim.</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah. The distinction between the Mizrahi and the Sephardim isn't always made. (Also, I don't believe North African Sephardim would be considered Mizrahim.) I'm curious as to whether many of these IQ tests cited for the Sephardim actually draw that distinction. I doubt it, because I've heard nothing about Mizrahi IQ scores. The actual pool of Sephardim of Iberian descent might be a very small percentage of those conventionally labeled "Sephardic Jews."<BR/><BR/>It does seem to me that Iranian Jews are a pretty bright lot. They are typically classified as Mizrahim.<BR/><BR/>Mark and Fred,<BR/><BR/><I>Heather MacDonald is smart (and a sharp writer too). From the last name, I'd guess she's Scottish though (unless there are Scots-Irish named MacDonald as well?).</I><BR/><BR/><I>Now don't you be gettin' your Macs and Mcs Mcsd-up, Tommy O'Shaunessy!</I><BR/><BR/>Good point. I should have remembered that distinction. Though my actual surname is German (Weisensee). My real first name is not, of course, Tommy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45387955837604684582007-07-07T16:44:00.000-07:002007-07-07T16:44:00.000-07:00Genes for high intelligence are already present in...<I>Genes for high intelligence are already present in Europeans and East Asians. In absolute numbers, there are vastly more intelligent Europeans and East Asians than Jews.</I><BR/><BR/>Well of course. But that's in absolute terms. Intermarriage would speed up the process even more. Remember, 30% of Nobel laureates in science are Jewish. That's pretty damn high.<BR/><BR/><I>If higher IQ provided a reproductive advantage, IQ would be increasing without Jewish admixture. As it stands, the dumb are out-breeding the smart.</I><BR/><BR/>There is certainly some concern about this. But is the reason the dumb outbreed the smart due to negative phsyical effects of IQ, of due to cultural reasons. Culture changes often and sometimes wildly, which definitely affects fertility.<BR/><BR/><I>Second, if you've been paying attention, Cochran and Harpending have proposed that specific Jewish IQ-boosting genes are associated with some nasty diseases. Why would we want to follow the Jewish route to boost intelligence?</I><BR/><BR/>Well even Murray doubts the Harpending thesis. I have yet to hear solid proof that the Tay-Sachs gene is related to intelligence. The early Rothschild clan was certainly both intelligent as well as highly inbred (cousins marrying cousins, uncles marrying nieces) yet they didn't seem to have high rates of infant mortality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2013189103494617782007-07-07T16:28:00.000-07:002007-07-07T16:28:00.000-07:00My guess is that most Jews who marry blacks are ma...<I>My guess is that most Jews who marry blacks are marrying high-IQ blacks. Perhaps someone has data on this, or wants to go through a list of prominent black-Jewish pairings to test my guess. At this late hour, the first such pairing that came to mind was Lani Guinier's parents. Checking Wikipedia, it appears that her Jamaican father was a Harvard professor.<BR/><BR/>Per wikipedia: The Office hottie Rashida Jones (daughter of Quincy Jones and Jewish actress Peggy Lipton) and Lenny Kravitz, son of TV producer Sy Kravitz and actress Roxie Williams from "The Jeffersons".</I><BR/><BR/><BR/> Lenny Kravitz and ex-wife Lisa Bonet were both "bluish".<BR/><BR/> High IQ Black out-mating-both in the cases of American Blacks marring whites or Jews, and in high-IQ Africans being "creamed off" (fundie church college programs that bring them here to be educated are a prime mover behind this-Mid-America Nazarene University is loaded with Africans who are of at least 100 IQ, which is the top decile in most of sub-Saharan Africa. Half don't go back permanently, at least. <BR/><BR/> Quincy Jones, a genius by the standards of any race, is a perfect example. Blacks NEED his genes-not those most commonly tossed around in "the hood". <BR/><BR/> Jews have always had a controlled level of genetic interchange with host populations-but as Dr. Oliver said, they know more about pruning their vines than any people extant. They let in only enough alien blood to make themselves LOOK like the host population. Amd matrilinearity can be understood far better now in light of mitochondrial DNA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21659741984812776752007-07-07T16:27:00.000-07:002007-07-07T16:27:00.000-07:00On an unrelated note, is Heather MacDonald Irish? ...<I>On an unrelated note, is Heather MacDonald Irish? She is one smart lass.</I><BR/><BR/>Now don't you be gettin' your Macs and Mcs Mcsd-up, Tommy O'Shaunessy!<BR/><BR/>Mac is the Scottish prefix (though many Macs have shortened it to Mc). So if you meet a Mc, he may be Scottish, but if you meet a Mac, he certainly is.<BR/><BR/>And, BTW, Miss Mac Donald prefers a space between Mac Donald.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45768747122206367282007-07-07T14:46:00.000-07:002007-07-07T14:46:00.000-07:00Josh:"IMHO,Bush is our 1st Jewish president;tho he...Josh:<BR/><BR/><I>"IMHO,Bush is our 1st Jewish president;tho he is a not very bright,he is a puppet for jewish-dominated Neo-Cons."</I><BR/><BR/>Could <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bush_%28biblical_scholar%29" REL="nofollow">this George Bush</A> be the original neocon?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com