tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post7054947759446371672..comments2024-03-29T05:14:33.223-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: James Watson and "passing"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger79125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52909520730064941042009-05-31T23:11:12.473-07:002009-05-31T23:11:12.473-07:00Lots of assumptions here. Having 16% sub Saharan t...Lots of assumptions here. Having 16% sub Saharan type dna means nothing and doesn't affect appearance. Why is that? Because the dna that is labelled sub Saharan, black to you folks, are alleles or SNPs which do not have any outward physical affect on appearance. It could be proteins on Watson's cell walls. Very few genes or coding dna have anything to do with appearance, probably 1% of the entire genome and most of the genome of every human is identical. Remember standard Chimpanzees share 98% of their dna with humans. Watson may be an asshole but he is not a chimpanzee.<br />Also those "African" and Asian SNPs are probably located on chromosomes which don't exchange dna with their homologous pair and are passed down totally unchanged from generation to generation. Watson's defective son probably is 16% sub Saharan too, and his son would be also if anyone was foolish enough to let that defective man breed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29918614524705542312008-11-06T13:36:00.000-08:002008-11-06T13:36:00.000-08:00Clarification:Jesse Boles Grinstead-Jesse Boles Gr...Clarification:<BR/>Jesse Boles Grinstead-Jesse Boles Grinstead II-Jesse Boles Grinstead III should have been just Jesse Grinstead-Jesse Grinstead II-Jesse Boles Grinstead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11230682966126797802008-09-16T23:47:00.000-07:002008-09-16T23:47:00.000-07:00Just in case it's not clear: yes, the previous pos...Just in case it's not clear: yes, the previous poster is claiming that 1 part in 2048 of Johnny Depp's ancestry is black and Depp therefore is "passing for white".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70429561422662270842008-09-16T15:15:00.000-07:002008-09-16T15:15:00.000-07:00Here is an explanation of the several descendants ...Here is an explanation of the several descendants of Grinsteads:<BR/><BR/>Krista Allen:<BR/>William Grinstead marriage to Elizabeth Kay (Key), an African-European American-William Grinstead II-William Grinstead III-John Grinstead-Richard Grinstead-Richard Grinstead II-Elizabeth Grinstead-Elizabeth Jane King-Bertha Blanche Simmons-Mary Elizabeth Nolan-Katherine Mary Raposa-Krista Allen<BR/><BR/>Johnny Depp:<BR/>William Grinstead marriage to Elizabeth Kay (Key), an African-European American.-William Grinstead II-William Grinstead III-John Grinstead-Philip Grinstead-Philip Wade Grinstead-Christopher Tompkins Grinstead-Roy Grinstead-Violet Grinstead-John Christopher Depp-John Christopher Depp II<BR/><BR/>Laurence Herman "Gus" Versluis:<BR/>William Grinstead marriage to Elizabeth Kay (Key), an African-European American.-William Grinstead II-William Grinstead III-John Grinstead-Jesse Boles Grinstead-Jesse Boles Grinstead II-Jesse Boles Grinstead III-John Thomas Grinstead-Clara May Grinstead-Bonnie Bell Martin-Laurence Herman "Gus" VersluisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12088821967775108632008-06-10T10:30:00.000-07:002008-06-10T10:30:00.000-07:00Clarification:Kristen Allen should be Krista Allen...Clarification:<BR/>Kristen Allen should be Krista Allen. Kristen Allen is pure white while Krista Allen is part African-American. I apologize for the inconvience of information.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28513943091465632202008-02-14T10:25:00.000-08:002008-02-14T10:25:00.000-08:00Laurence Herman "Gus" Versluis, a truck driver mad...Laurence Herman "Gus" Versluis, a truck driver made national news, was possibly a Melungeon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24066721741480733402008-02-06T11:17:00.000-08:002008-02-06T11:17:00.000-08:00Driggers and the Grinsteads are passing for white ...Driggers and the Grinsteads are passing for white is the biggest example. Judy Canova is related to the Driggers, while Laurence Herman "Gus" Versluis, Johnny Depp and Kristen Allen is related to the Grinstead family. Versluis, Depp, Allen's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather is William Grinstead, a Caucasian, while his great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmother Elizabeth Grinstead, an African-Caucasian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57434342804993872652008-01-05T02:33:00.000-08:002008-01-05T02:33:00.000-08:00"Subliminally black"? What is THAT? Most of the c..."Subliminally black"? What is THAT? Most of the critics who attacked the casting of Anthony Hopkins in the very racist film, "The Human Stain," were ridiculous. They were claiming that the man could play any role in the world except one in which the character is "tainted" with partial black ancestry. Such people are still white. By the way, why are Americans taught to pretend that Hispanics and Arabs DON'T have the same dreaded genes?<BR/><BR/>Mark Shriver, the white DNA scientist who upset Steve, claimed no more than 11% African DNA. That's not much. <BR/><BR/>Watson ought to have DNA tests done by other companies to make sure that the Icelandic company is not in error. Besides that, it is not unheard of for white Americans to be promiment and yet have some recent black ancestry that is either unknown to the public or an open secret to a select few.lloyd1927https://www.blogger.com/profile/06021625057056552907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74031902057003916912007-12-19T04:53:00.000-08:002007-12-19T04:53:00.000-08:00Ghetto Watson said:LLoyd's continued attempts to s...Ghetto Watson said:<BR/>LLoyd's continued attempts to show that "everyone's part black" do not convince either.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I did NOT say that. Don't attribute strawman arguments to me.<BR/><BR/>I have provided evidence (here and in the "famous people who were significantly black" section) that black ancestry in white Americans has to be far more widespread than most people realize.lloyd1927https://www.blogger.com/profile/06021625057056552907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27842406688553093482007-12-18T01:47:00.000-08:002007-12-18T01:47:00.000-08:00And then we have the Anonymous/Lloyd (*) argument....And then we have the Anonymous/Lloyd (*) argument. Essentially this illustrates the core of my argument, which is NOT to argue whether Watson is or is not 16% black (I already said I'm skeptical), but rather, that the issue needs ultimately to be settled scientifically via genetic assay.<BR/><BR/>Here we have people arguing whether they think people "look white" to them, or whether these people who "look white" could be on "Third Reich posters." It's obvious that Anonymous and Lloyd are going to continue to disagree on this - just like I disagree with many other comments on this thread that I haven't even bothered to address up to this point.<BR/><BR/>But, statements of opinions are just that - statements of opinions. Things written in books 50,100, or 200 years ago do not substitute for genetic data; on the other hand, LLoyd's continued attempts to show that "everyone's part black" do not convince either.<BR/><BR/>*Why was my previous comment on LLoyd censored? Steve, it's your blog, but it'll be best to either have no comments section at all (like you did in the past and what MacDonald has now) OR don't censor like GNXP does.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84323756913800406902007-12-17T21:19:00.000-08:002007-12-17T21:19:00.000-08:00Anonymous said:I went to your "onedroprule" site a...Anonymous said:<BR/>I went to your "onedroprule" site and looked at the pictures. Except in the case where the father is a nordic blond and the mother is at most 1/8th African, they do not look like "white" people to me--but then I grew up and live in Minnesota. Minnesota was almost entirely settled by Nordics prior to a smattering of Italians arriving round 1910. Even as a child 40 years ago, the Italians did not look white to "us"--we called them, literally, "ethnics".<BR/><BR/>http://onedroprule.org/viewtopic.php?p=33731#33731<BR/><BR/>I guess the vast majority of whites don't look "white" to you. There are five pages of pictures, including white children of mulatto mothers and white fathers who look Nordic enough to be "Aryan" models on Third Reich posters.lloyd1927https://www.blogger.com/profile/06021625057056552907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23667783541913176142007-12-17T13:34:00.000-08:002007-12-17T13:34:00.000-08:00"The fact that Watson does not look anything at al..."The fact that Watson does not look anything at all black or Asian and that none of his relatives do either really closes the door on this discussion."<BR/><BR/>Right. Because you don't think that Watson looks "anything at all" black or Asian therefore "closes the door" on the discussion. I see. How about first we find out exactly what's going on with the Decode test and their methodology? How about a second opinion from another test? Or, perhaps we should dispense with population genetics, and just have you tell us what you think people "look at all like."<BR/><BR/>"Watson may very well have very nominal amounts of non-white DNA, but there is not a significant contribution of either of these groups to make any meaningful effect."<BR/><BR/>What is a "significant contribution" and a "meaningful effect?" Whether or not you think he looks at all black?<BR/><BR/>"re: error bars<BR/><BR/>What would be the typical error for this sort of result? if 25% is a median, what would be the margin of error to suggest that this is even a remotely plausible result?"<BR/><BR/>Ask Decode.<BR/><BR/>"I don't trust these DNA tests at all."<BR/><BR/>Which means nothing.<BR/><BR/>"I'm aware of a Norwegian fellow who took one of these tests and came back as being 5% black."<BR/><BR/>Anecdotal. Who? What test? Just because you claim to know such a person means nothing.<BR/><BR/>"These tests are silly and unreliable."<BR/><BR/>Because you say so.<BR/><BR/>"If any group of people are NOT going to have contact with Africans, it would definitely be those from the extremes of Northern Europe."<BR/><BR/>True enough, in general, but why should we take your word with respect to this person? Can we actually see the results? How about reproducing the data here? We still won't know whether it is really someone from Norway, but at least we can see what the data are and make some conclusions about them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42041522064927277032007-12-17T10:34:00.000-08:002007-12-17T10:34:00.000-08:00I see this topic come up a lot on the discussions ...I see this topic come up a lot on the discussions of racial admixture. <BR/><BR/>It is suggested that Whites all have varying amounts of non-white ancestry. While I cannot seriously entertain the suggestion that Dr. Watson of nobel-prize winning fame is really 25% non-white (because such a significant amount would be quite easy to tell from appearance), I do not try to deny the reality of history and its genetic implications.<BR/><BR/>I am not interested in having any discussions on specific historical events (those can be argued by students of history), however I am interested in making the following points:<BR/><BR/>1. I do not make the claim of "pure white" heritage or that all whites are "pure". such an argument does not need to be made.<BR/><BR/>2. those with significant amounts of "different" lineages tend to show those characteristics. even quadroons and octoroons are fairly distinguishable from people who are considered "pure white". <BR/><BR/>3. family members of people with significant amounts of mixed lineages tend to have a wider variety of characteristics due to the way genes express themselves and produce a "more white" or "more black" appearance between births. We see a lack of this in both the European white population and the American white population<BR/><BR/>4. nominal amounts of admixture does not make someone equal to that of another race. people who are 25% black and 75% white, for example, will on average exhibit tendencies more towards the white direction, not the black direction. If you were to make the case that an otherwise white looking person is 2% black, you would have a very tough time getting them to assimilate into black culture and drawing any similarities between him and the average black.<BR/><BR/>Most of the arguments I see are attempts to weaken the social lines that people of different races draw for themselves. Unfortunately, it is a fallacious and weak attempt at doing so. <BR/>Regardless of our perceived awareness of who we may be and what we really are, we are still going to differentiate ourselves from others. It is a long way from a few percentage points of black to being 95-98% black!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1359937569920685212007-12-17T10:14:00.000-08:002007-12-17T10:14:00.000-08:00My comment: People who have significant amounts of...My comment: <BR/>People who have significant amounts of "opposing" ancestry in their genepool (i.e. white and black) tend to show wide differentials of appearence among their family members. <BR/><BR/>If we cannot establish that one of his recent relatives was black or asian, we should be able to determine from his family if there are any tendencies towards the asiatic or negro direction. We clearly do not see this evident in his family's characteristics. <BR/><BR/><BR/>@Hoosier Comrade:<BR/><BR/>Jews are not really integrated into White society. Sure, there is some level of intermarriage, but its the exception rather than the norm. Jews generally eschew outside marriages. <BR/><BR/>@Peter:<BR/><BR/>The one drop rule is a social norm amongst Whites, not hispanics. <BR/><BR/>@Crom:<BR/><BR/>Faulty science is still faulty. We shouldn't champion groups that take advantage of our increasing knowledge in the field of genetics by promoting false science.<BR/><BR/>@Svigor:<BR/><BR/>Moors were at least nominally black. The populations of Arabia and North Africa *do* have some negro tendencies. <BR/><BR/>@dearieme:<BR/><BR/>Race mixing was frowned upon in most of Europe. The acceptence of miscegentation today is largely a modern phonenemon.<BR/><BR/>@ghetto watson:<BR/><BR/>The fact that Watson does not look anything at all black or Asian and that none of his relatives do either really closes the door on this discussion. Watson may very well have very nominal amounts of non-white DNA, but there is not a significant contribution of either of these groups to make any meaningful effect.<BR/><BR/>re: error bars<BR/><BR/>What would be the typical error for this sort of result? if 25% is a median, what would be the margin of error to suggest that this is even a remotely plausible result? If they gave numbers in the low single digits, we probably would have a hard time making a convincing argument against the results because such nominal levels of admixture would be sufficently suppressed by the dominant genotype, even across many generations.<BR/><BR/>@anonymous (re: dna test):<BR/><BR/>I don't trust these DNA tests at all. I'm aware of a Norwegian fellow who took one of these tests and came back as being 5% black. These tests are silly and unreliable. If any group of people are NOT going to have contact with Africans, it would definitely be those from the extremes of Northern Europe.<BR/><BR/>@lloyd1927:<BR/><BR/>Rubbish. Prove it. Its amazing how the stories of occasional race-mixing turn into everyone does it and everyone is significantly black as a result.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24767317942084855822007-12-16T22:07:00.000-08:002007-12-16T22:07:00.000-08:00Lloyd 1927--I went to your "onedroprule" site and ...Lloyd 1927--<BR/><BR/>I went to your "onedroprule" site and looked at the pictures. Except in the case where the father is a nordic blond and the mother is at most 1/8th African, they do not look like "white" people to me--but then I grew up and live in Minnesota. Minnesota was almost entirely settled by Nordics prior to a smattering of Italians arriving round 1910. Even as a child 40 years ago, the Italians did not look white to "us"--we called them, literally, "ethnics".<BR/><BR/>People who live on the East coast are prone to calling non-white phenotypes "white" when those of us who live in decidedly "white" areas do not see them that way. One only need look at the busts of Greeks before the Islamic invasion to see the difference and the effects of gene mixing. The Greeks of today look nothing like the Greeks of antiquity. The same is true of southern Italians versus northern Italians. Gibbon pointed this out in his great book "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"--replete with before and after busts. There were no Romans left in Rome when it was sacked--they had all moved to Gaul or Ravenna by then. The people of Ravenna are the people who founded Venice. Those who remained in Rome and southern Italy were 90% Syrian slave stock.<BR/><BR/>My ancestry is English, Dutch and German. My wife is German and 1/8th French. All four of our children were born with blond hair (easily 70% of the population when we were kids) and two have blue eyes like their mother and her family (as well as my father) and two have light brown/hazel eyes like myself.<BR/><BR/>Those children on those pages do not look like "Minnesota" children at all.<BR/><BR/>This is what a "white" child looks like to us:<BR/>http://mystpaul.net/family/1bobbyage3.jpg<BR/><BR/>Note the angular face, aquiline nose, symmetrical eyes and ears. None of those children on those pages have that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48518478235907742792007-12-16T21:19:00.000-08:002007-12-16T21:19:00.000-08:00Lloyd 1927--There are no Africans in the English R...Lloyd 1927--<BR/><BR/>There are no Africans in the English Royal Family's lineage. The current Royal Family is not English, but from an area of Germany known as Hanover and Saxe-Coburg-Gotha--where most or Europe's Royal houses hailed from at the time of the first world war. I'd love to see this supposed quote as well as an image of this supposed ancestor.<BR/><BR/>You can read their genealogy here:<BR/>http://www.royal.gov.uk/files/pdf/Windsor%20family%20tree.pdf<BR/><BR/>For a Royal in line of the throne to marry anyone other than a Royal of equal or greater "caste" was to withdraw from the line. All marriages were for political advantage--not love. As for the prior Royal dynasties of England, they are just as well documented--there are no Africans.<BR/><BR/>The only blacks in European courts where there, for a time in the 18th century, as curiosities wearing the house livery. NO ONE would have married one or had a child by one--NO ONE.<BR/><BR/>I can't believe the nonsense people espouse these days about Europeans--seems everyone wants credit for something they didn't do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87819546896370757882007-12-16T02:05:00.000-08:002007-12-16T02:05:00.000-08:00"The problems with the Watson sequence have suppos..."The problems with the Watson sequence have supposedly been fixed in the December release. Which release did deCODE use for their analysis?"<BR/><BR/>That's a good question. Perhaps Stefansson can answer it, at the same time he decides to publicize his own ancestral data and disease risk.<BR/><BR/>"Lloyd1927", you seem to have a strong emotional interest in this question. Do you have a confirmed black genealogy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3908123382558576172007-12-15T23:23:00.000-08:002007-12-15T23:23:00.000-08:00"A more reasonable (though still extremely unlikel..."A more reasonable (though still extremely unlikely) hypothesis is that Melungeons are mixed-breed descendants of Indians and Spanish or Portuguese colonists from pre-Jamestown settlements who are otherwise presumed to have perished."<BR/><BR/>I think Tommy is on the right track here at least regarding some groups of nonwhites who have been here since colonial days. I have two uncles - one by marriage the other a half-uncle (is there such a thing) who both look very Spanish/Italian/Turkish but who don't know themselves to be anything but white. <BR/><BR/>Part of the problem with discussing tri-racial isolates is that black had different meanings in the past. Moors/Arabs, Africans were all considered to be black at one time. Maybe Melungians are people of white, Indian, African descent, maybe white, Indian, Turkish, maybe all of the above. There's no way to tell. Although I do like the theory that sailors who survived shipwrecks or deserted made their way into the gene pool long before their ethnic groups were recognized as part of the population. <BR/><BR/>There's also the possibility of having mixed ancestry before immigrating to the US i.e. black Irish and black Dutch. This gets even more muddled b/c supposedly biracial and tri-racial Americans borrowed such terms to explain their dark hair or swarthy complexion. <BR/><BR/>People with an agenda often like to use evidence of purportedly caucasian Americans being racially mixed to claim that many of us are part African. No doubt some of us are but just as many with nonwhite forebears might be part Indian or part Turkish sailor or even Roman soldier from way back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52744959825026977052007-12-15T22:01:00.000-08:002007-12-15T22:01:00.000-08:00Yes, Peter Brimelow mentioned Heather Locklear as ...Yes, Peter Brimelow mentioned Heather Locklear as having a famously tri-racial surname in the explanation of VDARE.com's logo:<BR/><BR/>http://www.vdare.com/why_vdare.htm<BR/><BR/>Any other celebrities?Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81484459907416474912007-12-15T21:36:00.000-08:002007-12-15T21:36:00.000-08:00More black ancestry in whites than you knowIn the ...More black ancestry in whites than you know<BR/><BR/>In the Jim Crow South, courts understood that rigidly enforcing the rules against mixed marriage would have been a disaster for whites.<BR/><BR/>http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/September-October-2003/story_sharfstein_sepoct03.msp<BR/><BR/>Photo of white antebellum slaves<BR/>http://multiracial.com/site/content/view/460/27/lloyd1927https://www.blogger.com/profile/06021625057056552907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8477068334651497962007-12-15T21:12:00.000-08:002007-12-15T21:12:00.000-08:00RE: Watson's infamous 16%:According to Bliss Broya...RE: Watson's infamous 16%:<BR/><BR/>According to Bliss Broyard's book, ONE DROP (page 473)<BR/><BR/>Todd Broyard, 18% African (very Nordic phenotype like his maternal Norwegian ancestors)<BR/>http://www.blacklabalarm.com/contactus.html<BR/><BR/>Bliss Broyard, 13% African (More brunet like her father, but still "pass-for-a-WASP" white<BR/>http://www.blissbroyard.com/<BR/><BR/>Check out Ms. Broyard's book.<BR/>The pictures of the Broyard grandparents and great-grandparents also show Caucasian phenotypes. The mixed-blood Creoles usually practiced endogamy and, until recently, avoided intermarriages with blacks..lloyd1927https://www.blogger.com/profile/06021625057056552907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10302173641993673472007-12-15T20:41:00.000-08:002007-12-15T20:41:00.000-08:00Sailer said: Thanks, Lloyd1927. Interesting stuff....Sailer said: Thanks, Lloyd1927. Interesting stuff. <BR/><BR/>Are there any celebrities from a triracial background that would help us who come from other parts of the country to put some well-known faces to the group?<BR/><BR/>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/secret/famous/locklear.html<BR/><BR/><BR/>Another family whose name is a giveaway for their African heritage is that of Locklear - yes, the same one that Heather, the blond bombshell of the TV series, "Melrose Place," claims as her own. Although as Anglo Saxon sounding as you can make it, the name is, in fact, an Indian one and in the language of the Tuscarora tribes means "hold fast." Indeed, it would appear that Ms. Locklear's family, at least on her father's side, once belonged to a segment of the population which in academic terminology is referred to as a tri-racial isolate - a community of individuals whose ancestry is a mixture of European, Indian and Black and who intermarried only with each other. <BR/><BR/>For much of our history the particular group with which her surname is so definitively identified has enigmatically been designated as "Lumbee." Numbering nearly forty thousand today and centering in Robeson Co., North Carolina, the Lumbees are the largest of these tri-racial groups. The official ideology of its members today, however, is that they are 100 percent Indian. A similar group known as the Melungeons originated in Tennesee while the Brass Ankle, Red Bone and Turk populations all developed in the Carolinas. <BR/><BR/>It should be noted that the modern ethnological word for such groups - isolates- is misleading. It reflects the restrictive social conditions of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Since the "one drop" rule defining an African American would not be legally instituted anywhere in the nation until after Reconstruction, this definition does not take into account the fact that throughout the seventeen and early eighteen hundreds free people of black and white ancestry intermarried not only among themselves but with families of Indian and white ancestry. Furthermore, members of mixed race families intermarried with the surrounding whites, despite the fact that many states had passed laws outlawing such unions. <BR/><BR/>Virginia Easley Demarce, a specialist in this area of research points out, that one of the major contentions of tri-racial Americans is that they were more likely bi-racial or Indian and white. As she point out, "The reason why tri-racial ancestry has been downplayed is clear. Throughout most of American history the legal, social, educational, and economic disadvantages of being African -American were so great that it was preferable for a person to be considered almost anything else." <BR/><BR/>Few of these groups have a tribal identification that can be traced back to the colonial period. Over the years, through acculturation and assimilation, they have lost whatever Indian languages and traditions they might have descended from. Many have worked very hard to attain legal recognition as Indian tribes over the last few years but some are still not recognized by the Bureau of Indian Affairs. The Indian adoption during the colonial period of English surnames such as Blunt, Tucker, Revels and Harris only adds to the difficulty of tracing Indian forbears. Thanks, however, to the contribution of an anthropologist with some linguistic expertise, the Locklears can point to their own name as one instance of the Lumbee group's Native American origins. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR/>Researched and Written by Mario de Valdes y Cocom<BR/><BR/><BR/>Families of Blurred Racial Lines (some famous)<BR/>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/secret/famous/<BR/><BR/><BR/>Notable Lumbees<BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famous_Lumbees<BR/><BR/>http://www.vistaheads.com/forums/security-news/49800-up-close-david-maynor.html<BR/><BR/>History of Lumbees<BR/>http://linux.library.appstate.edu/lumbee/2/STIL007.htm<BR/><BR/><BR/>Melungeons<BR/><BR/><BR/>Kinfolks: Falling Off the Family Tree - The Search for My Melungeon Ancestors (Hardcover)<BR/>by Lisa Alther (Author) <BR/><BR/>http://www.lisaalther.com/kinfolks.html<BR/><BR/>http://www.amazon.com/Kinfolks-Falling-Family-Melungeon-Ancestors/dp/1559708328/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197650711&sr=1-1<BR/><BR/>Mixing in the Mountains<BR/>by John Shelton Reed<BR/>Southern Cultures<BR/>The Melungeons prove to be more than just another of the South’s “little races” for the author. (Reed discovers he is of Melungeon descent)<BR/>http://www.ahc.umn.edu/bioethics/genetics_and_identity/reed.html<BR/>http://www.unc.edu/depts/csas/southern_cultures/contentsvol3.html<BR/>http://genforum.genealogy.com/melungeon/messages/18931.html<BR/><BR/>http://www.amazon.com/Kinfolks-Falling-Family-Melungeon-Ancestors/dp/1559708328/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197650711&sr=1-1<BR/><BR/>http://www.melungeon.org/index.cgi?&CONTEXT=cat&cat=10113<BR/><BR/><BR/>http://melungeon_music.tripod.com/melungeonmusic/id4.htmllloyd1927https://www.blogger.com/profile/06021625057056552907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22715891853722800112007-12-15T15:08:00.000-08:002007-12-15T15:08:00.000-08:00Here's the report about problems with the Watson d...<A HREF="http://www.ensembl.org/Homo_sapiens/newsview?rel=47#item860" REL="nofollow">Here's the report</A> about problems with the Watson data I was thinking of:<BR/><BR/><I><BR/>Release 47 News (23rd October 2007)<BR/>Data updates<BR/><B>Problems with Venter and Watson data</B><BR/><BR/>We have identified a number of problems with the Watson and Venter resequencing data stored in the variation database, which we would like to bring to your attention.<BR/><BR/>These <B>errors include several hundred thousand Watson SNPs that are wrong and will be removed in future releases, in addition to erroneously low SNP coverage on several Watson chromosomes</B>. For Venter, there were a number of cases where two SNPs were at the same position with different alleles, and others that should be heterozygous but are identified as homozygous.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately by the time these errors were discovered, it was too late to remove them from Ensembl without holding up the rest of the release. We therefore recommend that you do not use any of the Watson or Venter data from the current release of Ensembl.<BR/><BR/>We expect to be able to release the corrected Watson data in December 2007, but we are less confident about the Venter data; it may have to be omitted entirely from the December release and brought back in the following release. Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience caused.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>The problems with the Watson sequence have supposedly been fixed in the December release. Which release did deCODE use for their analysis?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8925984079629433922007-12-14T07:24:00.000-08:002007-12-14T07:24:00.000-08:00Ava Gardner and Elvis Presley were both said to be...Ava Gardner and Elvis Presley were both said to be of Melungeon ancestry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19348208937134537872007-12-14T02:55:00.000-08:002007-12-14T02:55:00.000-08:00No "smile on his face" here:http://www.youtube.com...No "smile on his face" here:<BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYxO61Vp-Wc&NR=1<BR/><BR/>Question: why hasn't Stefansson made his own ancestral profile and disease risk profile public? <BR/><BR/>Concerned about privacy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com