tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post7082952012776802257..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: James Q. Wilson, RIPUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18405157042537994392012-07-25T19:48:19.867-07:002012-07-25T19:48:19.867-07:00"Man continues to work out and avoid junk foo..."Man continues to work out and avoid junk food in spite of his increasing health."<br /><br />Olave, you are a stone trip. <br /><br />I love your examples.joetexxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15111050086795498701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90841631298319687132012-03-06T08:08:52.636-08:002012-03-06T08:08:52.636-08:00"Cause and effect occur despite each other.&q..."Cause and effect occur despite each other."<br /><br />It's like that great story Steve had about the guy who disagreed that there are such things as bad sections of town. He brandished his expertise before Steve's face by saying that he had been personally mugged nine times.<br /><br />>Woman continues to treat men with respect and good humor even though she has recently received several marriage proposals.<br /><br />Cat continues to stay inside at night despite having not been bitten by a dog in the past three months.<<br /><br />Classic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20509194853707651462012-03-06T07:56:52.603-08:002012-03-06T07:56:52.603-08:00>Deport and exile convicted felons from here to...>Deport and exile convicted felons from here to Afghanland. Once there, turn them loose to seek their own salvation<<br /><br />The last time something similar was done, the result was Australia and some rather high-priced brands of beer. Are you perfectly sure about your plan?<br /><br />Well, if you are, then don't submit it to DC. Military contractors must live!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55450496401315652072012-03-06T07:46:03.698-08:002012-03-06T07:46:03.698-08:00>The removal rate is only one part of the net g...>The removal rate is only one part of the net growth rate, the other one being the introduction rate. It's new criminals minus removed criminals that says whether there's more or less of them than before.<<br /><br />It's a matter of scale. If literally everyone were locked up, there would be zero crime on the street. Incarcerating massive percentages of a population (e.g., > birth replacement) folds in everything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51939864007131471542012-03-05T21:01:33.854-08:002012-03-05T21:01:33.854-08:00I remember some punch ups at school. Cathartic. No...I remember some punch ups at school. Cathartic. Nobody got kicked when down though. That's changed.Dannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74777160862898305052012-03-04T21:19:14.217-08:002012-03-04T21:19:14.217-08:00Other than the observation that criminals can'...<i>Other than the observation that criminals can't prey upon civilians while in prison, what are other revolutionary insights that made him world's most famous political scientist? His Wikipedia is long on career and positions while offering absolutely nothing on his ideas. One would think that the 17 books listed there warrant a little more than a single mention of a completely trivial broken windows theory.</i><br /><br />Read <i>Bureaucracy</i>.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21078883020846401852012-03-04T20:36:13.238-08:002012-03-04T20:36:13.238-08:00The many essays James Q. Wilson published in Comme...The many essays James Q. Wilson published in Commentary magazine are currently available on their website.Old fogeynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26242493143525064762012-03-04T16:38:14.028-08:002012-03-04T16:38:14.028-08:00How America can benefit from its involvement in Af...How America can benefit from its involvement in Afghanistan:<br /><br />Deport and exile convicted felons from here to Afghanland. Once there, turn them loose to seek their own salvation.<br /><br />Save money on prisoner warehousing and healthcare thereby.David Davenportnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88059810977834042672012-03-04T11:38:23.716-08:002012-03-04T11:38:23.716-08:00"in Olde Englande up to around 1950 the syste...<i>"in Olde Englande up to around 1950 the system semi-tolerated working class violence in certain limited contexts i.e. pub closing and football"</i><br /><br />Not really in football, though there are reports of fights as far back as the nineteenth century. But settling a dispute one on one, with coats off in the pub car park and no weapons, was an accepted part of working class (and even young middle class) life up to the 1960s. See the American sociologist Geoffrey Gorer's 1950s book "Exploring English Character".<br /><br />http://www.archive.org/stream/exploringenglish002763mbp/exploringenglish002763mbp_djvu.txt<br /><br />Now, of course, you leave the pub and are ambushed by the aggrieved party with five of his mates, who proceed to kick your head when you're down.<br /><br />LabanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76714188171734108142012-03-04T11:18:25.819-08:002012-03-04T11:18:25.819-08:00From a traditional ruling class point of view it m...<i>From a traditional ruling class point of view it makes much more sense to select out the uncontrollaby violent from the controllaby violent as although you want a peaceful and ordered society you also want your plebs to be good soldiers ants in wartime.</i><br /><br />And of course anti-establishment political and religious violence was never tolerated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64978988725086893932012-03-04T10:13:42.122-08:002012-03-04T10:13:42.122-08:00"Anonymous said...
Another interesting aspec..."Anonymous said...<br /><br />Another interesting aspect to using prison as a eugenic selection mechanism which i only just realised was in Olde Englande up to around 1950 the system semi-tolerated working class violence in certain limited contexts i.e. pub closing and football. This was quite clever from their point of view because what it meant was the system wasn't selecting against violence per se - as aggression can be a very useful trait in some situations - it was selecting against people who couldn't control when they were violent."<br /><br />An interesting and astute observation. I wonder if the governing powers in England at the time thought of it in those terms? I can imagine that they did, at least in part. When it comes to the understanding of human nature, our society really has become stupider in many ways.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81181135717302759332012-03-04T06:52:10.246-08:002012-03-04T06:52:10.246-08:00More people incarcerated despite falling crime rat...More people incarcerated despite falling crime rates.<br /><br />Man continues to work out and avoid junk food in spite of his increasing health.<br /><br />Woman continues to treat men with respect and good humor even though she has recently received several marriage proposals.<br /><br />Cat continues to stay inside at night despite having not been bitten by a dog in the past three months.<br /><br />Left-wing journalists continue to lie and dissemble despite controlling world.B322https://www.blogger.com/profile/18257802768718375656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88981922991884689712012-03-04T03:20:05.720-08:002012-03-04T03:20:05.720-08:00ot they are already invoking TBOTV over in Connect...<b>ot</b> they are already <a href="http://articles.courant.com/2012-03-01/business/hc-haar-0301-20120229_1_ticketnetwork-state-aid-mob-mentality" rel="nofollow">invoking TBOTV</a> over in Connecticut (<a href="http://www.courant.com/news/breaking/hc-hpd-glastonbury-man-hurls-racial-insult-at-oscars-party-20120227,0,4368181.story" rel="nofollow">1%er perp</a>). New frontiers in crimebusting!Dept. of Google Alertsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80113988479326453612012-03-04T02:23:24.866-08:002012-03-04T02:23:24.866-08:00Mr. Anon 3/3/12 11:40 AM, that was "The Great...Mr. Anon 3/3/12 11:40 AM, that was "The Great Relearning." It's a brilliant essay and anthologized in the Hooking Up book. <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=Qc63EF-mVukC&pg=PT96" rel="nofollow">Goog copy</a>. Great stuff, I think of it every time I see the 11:00 news.Alcalde Jaime Miguel Curleohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11801154986193443160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82641794736891037112012-03-04T02:13:39.038-08:002012-03-04T02:13:39.038-08:00Wilson was a lucid but judicious op-ed writer, not...Wilson was a lucid but judicious op-ed writer, not a movement conservative really though I'm going to miss his byline in the WSJ or Commentary on a summary of the latest developments in some sociology cock-up about bowling alone. The local paper frequently published him when I was in high school; for a long time he was identified w/ UCLA, before he moved on to Malibu U. He brought insight to a variety of subjects, as in <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1023330119310065040,00.html" rel="nofollow">this news-blurb for a book by W. Kip Viscusi</a> who is a similar policy-oriented academic but a bit more esoteric. So no, he did not write only about crime rates and I'm sorry the Wikipedia entry doesn't do it justice, I'll get right on that...Alcalde Jaime Miguel Curleohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11801154986193443160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23076871595305082012-03-03T17:22:35.517-08:002012-03-03T17:22:35.517-08:00"The one problem with prisons is that it is e..."The one problem with prisons is that it is effectively a university for criminals"<br /><br />The thing with that is so are street corners and pool halls.<br /><br /><br />"I wonder how well Singapore style corporal punishment works in comparison to Western style imprisonment? Or Islamic style limb removal?"<br /><br />Actually there probably is a punishment best suited to every crime because there's a split between the law-abiding, young criminals who eventually grow out of it and full-life criminals.<br /><br />Corporal punishment or mild but *public* punishments might be better suited to the first two categories.<br /><br />However full-life criminals are that way for a reason and i think containment is the best solution for them partly because it comes with the critical added longterm benefit that they have fewer kids.<br /><br />Interestingly, although the broken windows thing in the states was mostly camouflage for ethnic cleansing black people from Mnahattan where it's undertaken seriously like in England for many years before WWII it does seem to have that kind of longterm effect.<br /><br />The criminal justice system was very extreme with lots of people locked up for a long time for relatively minor crimes and the end result was a tiny crime rate and a police force that didn't need guns - completely reveresed now of course.<br /><br />Another interesting aspect to using prison as a eugenic selection mechanism which i only just realised was in Olde Englande up to around 1950 the system semi-tolerated working class violence in certain limited contexts i.e. pub closing and football. This was quite clever from their point of view because what it meant was the system wasn't selecting against violence per se - as aggression can be a very useful trait in some situations - it was selecting against people who couldn't control when they were violent.<br /><br />From a traditional ruling class point of view it makes much more sense to select out the uncontrollaby violent from the controllaby violent as although you want a peaceful and ordered society you also want your plebs to be good soldiers ants in wartime.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9323848591750127462012-03-03T14:27:40.272-08:002012-03-03T14:27:40.272-08:00agnostic back again with his totally incorrect pos...agnostic back again with his totally incorrect posts about canada.<br /><br />how does he explain 2011 being the most violent year in the history of puerto rico? not to mention the ongoing state of mexico.<br /><br />age of men in the population is a factor. it's not the only factor.jodynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27925162128244985632012-03-03T13:22:58.864-08:002012-03-03T13:22:58.864-08:00I recently started reading Colleen McCollough'...I recently started reading <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Colleen-McCullough/e/B000AQ752U/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1330807873&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Colleen McCollough's</a> series on the late Roman Republic. One thing that got my attention was her description of the lack of a police force or jail system in general. There were lictors that maybe both protected and arrested senators and other officials. And there was a kind of jail in, or under, the Capital where captured enemies and similiar types were held before execution or banishment. But the unwashed masses were basically self-policed, unless maybe the army was called in to quell a riot.<br /><br><br />Some of the above may actually be derived from the HBO's <i>Rome</i>(which, by the way, appears in retrospect to have been heavily influenced by McCollough's work).<br /><br><br />This is a pretty massive topic, but there's also a sort of philosophical question about the influence of the modern police and legal system on our daily lives. Not only the effect that it has on on individual's freedom of action, but also the inhumanity that seems to have worked its way into the system, both the beauracrats and the police themselves. <br /><br><br />Anyway, this has me thinking a lot recently about this question of the history of law enforcement and the jail system, both over time and accross cultures. Does anyone have any good references for this? Yeah, I could google, but I'm lazy and this thread seemed a good place to pose the question.JeremiahJohnbalayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22405982975253588522012-03-03T13:13:59.080-08:002012-03-03T13:13:59.080-08:00The problem all started in that truly disastrous d...The problem all started in that truly disastrous decade, the 1960's. There were all these new (and weird) ideas about crime. "Academics" and sociologists etc, decided that crime was now a "sickness" and a "social problem", and not, as had always been believed before, a moral failing. Criminals were now going to be "treated" rather then punished. This bogus liberal mentality seeped through every area of law-enforcement and the courts. It even affected how prisons were physically built. It took many years to undo this physcho-babble damage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57373415188302010792012-03-03T13:10:33.312-08:002012-03-03T13:10:33.312-08:00He also wrote a book on crime with Richard Herrnst...He also wrote a book on crime with Richard Herrnstein, called "Crime and Human Nature".<br /><br />http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,960148,00.htmlMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01133142115539961665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23166044394914356732012-03-03T13:06:59.176-08:002012-03-03T13:06:59.176-08:00"More people incarcerated despite falling cri..."More people incarcerated despite falling crime rates"...<br /><br />Uh, maybe THAT'S THE REASON the crime rates are falling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1288391322618679582012-03-03T13:05:42.260-08:002012-03-03T13:05:42.260-08:00I am Lugash.
Political scientist James Q. Wilson ...I am Lugash.<br /><br /><b>Political scientist James Q. Wilson has <i>died at age 80</i>.</b><br /><br />So he smoked, right?<br /><br />I am Lugash.Lugashnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50220387199284415132012-03-03T12:28:14.254-08:002012-03-03T12:28:14.254-08:00In James Q Wilson’s honor, let’s estimate the allu...In James Q Wilson’s honor, let’s estimate the allusive non-Hispanic white murder rate. Calculations and sources at the end<br /><br />2009 homicide rate per 100.000:<br /><br />Non-Hispanic White: 2.2<br />Hispanic: 5.3<br />Black: 21.7<br /><br />Pinker claims that America “whites” have a homicide rate of 4.8, never informing the reader that this definition of “white” includes Hispanics. <br /><br />Pinker also makes a big deal about the South having a higher violent crime rate, which he attributes to culture rather than race “the North-South difference is not a by-product of the white-black difference".<br /><br />Pinker compares Louisiana with third world countries such as Jordan and New Guinea, reporting that Louisiana has a murder rate 180% above the national average. But among non-Hispanic whites, the incarceration rate is merely 25% above the national average. <br /><br />Contrary to the impression given by Pinker, most of the north-south difference is indeed explained by race, not culture (and that is still not taking into account the lower education level of southern whites). <br /> <br />http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/pjim05.pdf <br /><br />calculation:<br /><br />In 2009, there were 15241 murders in the United State, or 5.0 per 100.000. <br />For the cases where the race of the offender is known, 46% were White *or Hispanic* (the government lump the two together to obfuscate). For the already incarcerated, we know that 37% of “whites” are Hispanic. Assuming the racial composition of 2009 murders is the same as those already in prison, 29.3% of murders were committed by non-Hispanic whites, or 2.2 per 100.0000. <br /><br />http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_01.html<br /><br />http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_03.html<br /><br />http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0006.pdf<br /><br />This is close to Razib’s back of the envelope calculation of 2.1. <br /> <br />http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2008/04/americans-are-good-at-murder/<br /><br />The number puts the U.S only slightly ahead of Canada and Western Europe, again contrary to the impression given by Steve Pinker.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26885294240261200622012-03-03T11:40:20.474-08:002012-03-03T11:40:20.474-08:00"Therefore, lock more criminals up for longer..."Therefore, lock more criminals up for longer sentences. That this was considered a revolutionary insight in 1975 says a lot about the academic atmosphere that helped get us into an era of high crime."<br /><br />Tom Wolfe wrote something along those lines (I forget the name of the essay) about the great unlearning that began in the 60s. When hippies living in communes convinced themselves that it was only due to bourgeois hangups that people didn't share toothbrushes.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-92063160504223412652012-03-03T09:49:30.357-08:002012-03-03T09:49:30.357-08:00There may be common trends in crime (anti-psychoti...There may be common trends in crime (anti-psychotic medication, emergency care, aging, decline of norms) but Canada never had a crime-wave like the U.S. The homicide rate peaked at 3 per 100.000 in Canada in 1975, compared with 10 per 100.000 in the U.S in the early 1980s. <br /><br />Moreover, it is a myth driven by liberal social scientist innumeracy (and ideological bias against prison) that Canada didn’t change incentives for criminals. <br /><br />In 1975, Canada had an incarceration rate of 80/100.000, and a homicide rate (to proxy serious crime) of 3/100.000.<br /><br />In 2002, Canada had an incarceration rate of 100/100.000, and a homicide rate of 1.8/100.000.<br /><br />http://www.jstor.org.proxy.uchi<br />cago.edu/stable/3840504<br /><br />This is an increase of about 100% in the ratio between crime and punishment. <br /><br />As Charles Murray points out, it is quite absurd to think that locking up an extra million often hardened criminals (the U.S went from 275.000 to 1.5 million in prison from the midd 1970s) had no effect on crime. <br /><br />Pinker’s book was disappointing in accepting and repeating a lot of liberal data-mining about crime. E.g. making a big deal about crime rate being higher in the south, without breaking it down by race. <br /><br />The incarceration rate of whites in the most quincentennial scot-Irish state, West Virginia, is around (slightly lower than) the national average. <br /><br />White in West Virginia (392)<br />Black in West Virginia (2188)<br />Accounting for lower education and for the south having somewhat harsher punishments in general, there really doesn’t seem to be much of a difference between the crime rate of *whites* in the South and the national average.<br /> <br />vhttp://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/rd_stateratesofincbyraceandethnicity.pdf<br /><br />Race is driving the results Pinker attributes to “civilization”.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com