tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post7116847345998132355..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Tom Wolfe's "Back to Blood:" Buckle up, folks, it's going to be a bumpy rideUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46360941692713193302012-11-12T19:40:56.496-08:002012-11-12T19:40:56.496-08:00nathalie emmanuel, black or white?
http://www.has...nathalie emmanuel, black or white?<br /><br />http://www.hashtagpress.net/2012/07/game-of-thrones-season-3-new-faces.htmljohn marzanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08036820667908976630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25108873648033741452012-10-25T21:11:18.102-07:002012-10-25T21:11:18.102-07:00Trayvon wasn't "getting stood up to"...<i>Trayvon wasn't "getting stood up to" he was standing up to someone who was following him around.<br /></i><br /><br />You mean Zimerman. Zimmerman was walking back to his truck when he was attacked from behind by Martin who was stalking him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80390331702286962532012-10-25T16:00:30.494-07:002012-10-25T16:00:30.494-07:00I wouldn't be surprised if Wolfe read Steve...<i>I wouldn't be surprised if Wolfe read Steve's blog, but unless he delves into the WN comments here, he may not have even heard of "the JQ"</i><br /><br />Wolfe's wife is Jewish. Even if he reads this blog, I doubt he sympathizes with the WN Jew-haters here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13079121435356737202012-10-25T11:56:03.948-07:002012-10-25T11:56:03.948-07:00Mayhem in Miami said
"wood shampoos"
G...Mayhem in Miami said<br /><br />"wood shampoos"<br /><br />Good gravy, you can write. Have you considered having a blog?Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23786645770794039832012-10-25T09:39:22.306-07:002012-10-25T09:39:22.306-07:00" we all remember your bleating about Trayvon..." we all remember your bleating about Trayvon getting stood up to."<br /><br />Trayvon wasn't "getting stood up to" he was standing up to someone who was following him around.<br /><br />"This is what you have always failed to grasp Troof: whites in the aggregate choose to tolerate blacks. There is nothing stopping whites from choosing to no longer tolerate blacks - besides other whites."<br /><br />Cool, tell your leggy supermodel wife I said hi.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59328079570943768492012-10-25T06:55:59.519-07:002012-10-25T06:55:59.519-07:00Troof said "the other day this was Boston. I ...Troof said "the other day this was Boston. I think it's been Staten Island and parts of Texas in the past. This "city where the whites are tough enough to stand up to the knee-grows" is almost like the "city where leggy supermodels throw themselves at pasty 5'7 betas."<br /><br />Clearly the possibility that somebody somewhere may stand up to a black upsets you - we all remember your bleating about Trayvon getting stood up to. Funny enough, you also like to insist that people don't need to stand up to "kneegrows" since you don't violently misbehave any more other groups. But next time read a little closer before shifting into smart-ass jive mode though. Cops handing out wood shampoos to misbehaving "kneegrows" happens everywhere all the time. The fact prisons are filled to capacity with blacks would seem to provide evidence of this. <br /><br />The difference with Miami as far as I can tell is that the power structure pays no attention to the usual black whining over having there be consequences for their actions. Also as I said, whites aren't standing up to the "knee grows", they're mostly living as far away from them as possible. <br /><br />This is what you have always failed to grasp Troof: whites in the aggregate choose to tolerate blacks. There is nothing stopping whites from choosing to no longer tolerate blacks - besides other whites. Mayhem in Miaminoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42985634874695820012012-10-25T04:22:07.492-07:002012-10-25T04:22:07.492-07:00"First off, in real life you don't just g..."First off, in real life you don't just go around changing people's race. Would Tom Cruise play Malcolm X?"<br /><br />or a woman of color play hitler, who after being denied affirmative action in art school(by a high-brow WASP of course) despite her amazing ethnic art, enlists brothas for her war against the hetero white male culture.<br />our own Truth could play as the <a href="http://archive.org/stream/whereblackrules00pricgoog#page/n50/mode/2up" rel="nofollow">first general</a>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66964398608912585392012-10-24T22:56:11.255-07:002012-10-24T22:56:11.255-07:00Bruce Willis was absolutely the worst casting deci...Bruce Willis was absolutely the worst casting decision in the book. <br /><br />Re the judge, casting Morgan Freeman wasn't an entirely stupid idea. The judge is sort of the moral center of the book, the one guy whose only interest is in doing what's right. My guess is that Wolfe made him a Jew for two reasons:<br /><br />1) Jewish judges were fairly common in NYC.<br /><br />2) An honorable Jewish character offsets the dishonorable ones (the DA Weiss, the mayor, the ADA Kramer). <br /><br />The producers probably figured that a higher percentage of blacks would watch the movie than had read the book, so instead of assuaging Jews by making the honest judge a Jew, they made him a black man, to offset the dishonorable black characters (the thug, Rev. Bacon, Rev. Bacon's lieutenant).DaveinHackensackhttp://www.thehackensack.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7297215255757777492012-10-24T20:07:13.693-07:002012-10-24T20:07:13.693-07:00"Svigor said...
""It's easy re..."Svigor said...<br /><br />""It's easy regardless. The Jewish judge character in Bonfire of the Vanities was played by Morgan Freeman in the awful movie version of the book.""<br /><br />Sure, but everyone who read the book knows a switch occurred. If the character had been ambiguous, well, no foul right?"<br /><br />The whole point of the book was the ethnic and class distinctions in 1980s New York City. If they make the jewish judge black, they may as well have made Sherman McCoy a jewish CPA instead of a WASP bond trader (though Tom Hanks wasn't very good in the role). Actually, Freeman wasn't the only miscasting - they made the dissolute english yellow journalist......into Bruce Willis. He should have been played by Gary Oldman.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11568439253065809642012-10-24T19:29:49.356-07:002012-10-24T19:29:49.356-07:00"He seems to turn white characters black quit...<i>"He seems to turn white characters black quite often. In one flick he played two (real) white scientists who had invented a prosthetic tail for a whale."</i><br /><br />He was cast as the President of the United States in that meteor movie in '98 or whatever, and inhabited that role plausibly, so taking on two white scientists rolled into one doesn't surprise me. <br /><br />DaveinHackensackhttp://www.thehackensack.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4811815302954408902012-10-24T18:34:19.199-07:002012-10-24T18:34:19.199-07:00"The Jewish judge character in Bonfire of the..."The Jewish judge character in Bonfire of the Vanities was played by Morgan Freeman."<br /><br />He seems to turn white characters black quite often. In one flick he played two (real) white scientists who had invented a prosthetic tail for a whale.<br />That made me sit up. It may be getting to the time when somebody is going to have to put a stop to this sort of thing. First off, in real life you don't just go around changing people's race. Would Tom Cruise play Malcolm X?<br />Secondly, in most books worth being called literature, there's a reason why characters are who they are. And an author whose entire theme is based around race, class, and how it works in popular culture, once you've change the race or ethnicity of a major player, you've changed the book. And you don't do that with a great book. It's obnoxious.lit fitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14772019456271236322012-10-24T17:50:02.571-07:002012-10-24T17:50:02.571-07:00"I don’t know if it’s Latin culture or what (..."I don’t know if it’s Latin culture or what (Cuba was a slave-owning country so has its own blacks) but they have not bought into white guilt. Not even a little bit. In any white neighborhood or city (e.g. Coral Gables) 2-3 “urban youth” walking around can be guaranteed at least one slow drive by with the window rolled down police car and possibly even some questioning. Blacks misbehaving will be arrested, usually with a good bit of force."<br /><br />The other day this was Boston. I think it's been Staten Island and parts of Texas in the past. This "city where the whites are tough enough to stand up to the knee-grows" is almost like the "city where leggy supermodels throw themselves at pasty 5'7 betas."Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11882070645289666772012-10-24T14:39:36.484-07:002012-10-24T14:39:36.484-07:00"Sure, but everyone who read the book knows a...<i>"Sure, but everyone who read the book knows a switch occurred. If the character had been ambiguous, well, no foul right?"</i><br /><br />What's funny about the reverse example I mentioned, is that the only one who seemed to be upset about the lead character in Earthsea being cast as white was the author, who apparently was trying to make some sort of statement with her different colored characters. But the meta-point, which she may have missed, is more interesting, I think: color <i>qua</i> color isn't noteworthy; it's noteworthy as a marker for all the other characteristics that normally correlate with it. <br /><br />In a book set in present-day US, if a writer describes a character as black, You think about typical black people you've known and a picture begins to form in your mind. But if the book is set in some fantasy world, with no connection to this one, and characters are described as "red-black", or whatever, those colors are meaningless, because they don't connote any other characteristics. So, in my mind at least (and I'm guessing, from the lack of reaction, in the minds of most readers), I picture the character as a generic white American guy. <br /><br />Maybe readers in India or somewhere else pictured the character as a generic Bollywood actor, who knows.DaveinHackensackhttp://www.thehackensack.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44801497290214887252012-10-24T11:40:07.395-07:002012-10-24T11:40:07.395-07:00@Mayhem:
Thanks for the great post - hope you'...@Mayhem:<br /><br />Thanks for the great post - hope you'll write more often. I should have added that the obese black Miami chief comes off as brighter and less officious than the obese black cops in the show's other cities, such as Memphis and Birmingham. Perhaps illustrative of the relative situation you described. alonzo portfolionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31500019896789386382012-10-24T10:04:38.874-07:002012-10-24T10:04:38.874-07:00It's easy regardless. The Jewish judge charact...<i>It's easy regardless. The Jewish judge character in Bonfire of the Vanities was played by Morgan Freeman in the awful movie version of the book.</i><br /><br />Sure, but everyone who read the book knows a switch occurred. If the character had been ambiguous, well, no foul right?Svigorhttp://svigor.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75386444964302184142012-10-24T09:59:48.358-07:002012-10-24T09:59:48.358-07:00alonzo portfolio said..."On The First 48, the...alonzo portfolio said..."On The First 48, they frequently show a Miami homicide investigation. The chief of the dept. is an obese black woman…"<br /><br />Weighing in from Miami here: Anybody attempting to understand Miami has to first process that Miami, Miami-Dade County, and almost all of the surrounding towns are dominated by 2nd and 3rd generation Cubans (the children or grandchildren of those that fled from Castro in the 50's and 60's). You can’t do business with the city or county or make any progress in politics unless you have at least one connected Cuban behind you. <br /><br />Cubans are like American whites (well, they ARE American whites, but bear with me) in that some are smart, some are imbeciles, some are honest, some are stinkingly corrupt, etc. One thing that makes them and therefore Miami unusual is that Cubans could not care less about blacks or what hurts their feelings. I don’t know if it’s Latin culture or what (Cuba was a slave-owning country so has its own blacks) but they have not bought into white guilt. Not even a little bit. In any white neighborhood or city (e.g. Coral Gables) 2-3 “urban youth” walking around can be guaranteed at least one slow drive by with the window rolled down police car and possibly even some questioning. Blacks misbehaving will be arrested, usually with a good bit of force. The blacks complain about this of course but the difference between Miami and other cities is that nobody cares or really even listens. <br /><br />Don’t get me wrong – the “problems” of the black community exist here like anywhere else (if you ever find yourself in Liberty City run for your life) but they don’t have political power either directly (holding office) or indirectly (whites that worry about blacks and what they think holding office). Cubans view blacks as regular people and therefore treat them as regular people, complete with consequences going with actions. Sort of refreshing in my view. The stuff Alonzo cites (obese black detective) is unfortunately just part of urban America. Miami may be down south but it’s not beyond the reach of the Justice Dept, EEOC, and the other race-baiting usual suspects. <br /><br />The other thing about Miami is that it is ground zero for S. Americans fleeing mayhem in their home countries. Lots of wealthy or moderately wealthy Venezuelans, Colombians, etc. These people not only don’t become American or even make any effort to assimilate; they don’t mix with each other. White people are expected to know the difference between a Venezuelan, an Argentine, a Colombian, etc. I’ve made this mistake countless times and been told by a 6-foot tall blonde woman that “I’m Mexican, not Argentine”. Whatever sweetie, you’re all foreign to me. <br /><br />Miami may offer a vision of the future of America. Lots of mayhem and urban violence but it sort of works and people are segregated. Blacks live in the west, Jews live on the beach and in North Miami, whites live south and in places like Coral Gables, Cubans live everywhere and run it all and aren’t any more corrupt than anywhere else and far less so than say, Chicago. Nobody makes special exemptions for black misbehavior and shortcomings. The obvious counter to this point is that the Cubans are of vastly superior human stock to the mestizos and Indians filing California, Texas, etc. I should also add that I have a concealed weapons permit and when out and about in Miami ALWAYS have a loaded gun with me. Another likely vision of America's future as the police prove less and less able or willing to deal with NAM's. <br /><br />Mayhem in Miaminoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87508953858616479262012-10-24T09:38:14.959-07:002012-10-24T09:38:14.959-07:00"That's the most extraordinary parts of &...<em>"That's the most extraordinary parts of "I Am Charlotte Simmons:" how horrible it is to be a self-conscious teenager."</em><br /><br />Sigh. Now I have to bump this one to the top of my to-read list.Cail Corishevnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89913493180900015442012-10-24T09:35:59.338-07:002012-10-24T09:35:59.338-07:00Valid and interesting point, Owl. It works both w...Valid and interesting point, Owl. It works both ways, of course. Halle Berry is always shown with her rather unattractive daughter, Nala, having skin as dark as her mother. Although the girl is genetically 75% Caucasian, Berry has said she adheres to the "one drop rule," and is determined the child identify as black and not spend time with her White father. <br /><br />Quite a few of the Indian and Chinese women here in Texas walk around with umbrellas, just as I saw all the time in Singapore. Just trying to "preserve" what they perceive as their "fair" complexion. I've seen Chinese women with skin close to White, while their public-schooled children are as dark as Indians or Mulattoes (outdoor P.E., summer clothes, etc.).Sheilanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9145672452162584872012-10-24T09:06:16.005-07:002012-10-24T09:06:16.005-07:00You may find an Daily Telegraph interview of Wolfe...You may find an <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/authorinterviews/9618607/Tom-Wolfe-on-his-new-book-Back-to-Blood.html" rel="nofollow">Daily Telegraph interview</a> of Wolfe as part of the promotion for this new novel of interest. I found it amusing that the writer quotes Wolfe about the subject matter of the work:<br /><i><br />'It’s really a novel about immigration,’ he says. 'That’s how it began. People would say to me, “What are you working on?” And I would say, “Well, I’m doing something on immigration.” I always got the same reply: “Oh, that’s so interesting.” Never a follow-up question. Their heads would fall forward and they would go to sleep like a horse. Hah! But I did find it interesting.<br /></i><br />The interviewer proceeds to shift the topic of the conversation onto art and other subjects, ignoring immigration altogether, much as Wolfe's previous interlocutors did.<br /><br />His next book will deal critically with Darwin's legacy:<br /><i><br />This leads him to the subject of his next work. Titled The Human Beast, </i><b>it will be a non-fiction book about the theory of evolution, its history, its shortcomings and the ways in which some contemporary neuroscientists and evolutionary biologists have taken it to absurd conclusions.</b> <i>The story begins in the aching, splitting, fevered head of the Victorian naturalist Alfred Russel Wallace. He came up with idea of natural selection on his malarial sickbed while collecting specimens in Malaya, and wrote it down in a letter that reached London before Darwin had published a word.</i>Marlowenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42227546902178215292012-10-24T04:34:10.326-07:002012-10-24T04:34:10.326-07:00An example- a young Hindi woman I knew was a lab t...<i>An example- a young Hindi woman I knew was a lab tech like me; for the most part we worked inside at the bench. But one day we were assigned to work in the greenhouse to collect some samples for about half an hour. 5 minutes into it, she began to wave her arms and in a combination of anger and fear, she started worrying that her arms and face were turning dark. Apparently, according to her, she could already see it happening to her arms. Nevermind that she was naturally darker than most African Americans. She was ready with sunscreen the next time we had to go.</i> <br /><br />Dude - PLEASE tell me that you scored with that chick.<br /><br />Cause I can guaran-damn-tee you that she wanted it.<br /><br />Chicks simply do not confess something so deeply intimate to dudes whom they despise.<br /><br />"Oh tall handsome Prince Occidental fantasy, would you please rub some suntan oil on my poor tired brown shoulders, which just happen to be glistening with sweat in this torrid hot sun?"<br /><br />Dude. Score. Eleventy.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48922488931194629312012-10-24T04:29:24.542-07:002012-10-24T04:29:24.542-07:00Back when I was going through a phase of extreme i...Back when I was going through a phase of extreme insecurity due to my half-Asianness, I thought if I tanned more I could pass for Hispanic. Why would I want to do that? I figured Latino men ranked on average much higher on the Alpha male scale than Asian men. There is after all, the "Latin lover" stereotype, as opposed to the stereotype of the emasculated Asian male.<br /><br />It didn't work, by the way.Hapalong Cassidynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20947754694130026072012-10-24T02:37:27.431-07:002012-10-24T02:37:27.431-07:00Yes, The Magic Mountain is utterly remarkable. Re...Yes, The Magic Mountain is utterly remarkable. Remind me again why we are talking about Tom Wolfe?<br /><br />Actually I like a lot of Tom Wolfe's journalism, and I read 'Bonfire' a long time ago. Liked it a lot for its cheeky insights, but good heavens, what ghastly, sloppy prose. I got the feeling that he didn't really write it, that he dictated it aloud into a tape recorder and had it transcribed. That's not the worst thing in the world if that was what it took to bring the thing to fruition, and after all, his black-hearted honesty about so many things is worth the price of admission, but still.... that prose. Ick.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75363732349466040822012-10-24T02:06:11.181-07:002012-10-24T02:06:11.181-07:00"Wolfe's daughter must be a saint if she ..."Wolfe's daughter must be a saint if she didn't stop speaking to him for five years after that book came out. "<br /><br />or utterly shameless, which would be more likely in today's milieu.<br /><br />"The Jewish judge character in Bonfire of the Vanities was played by Morgan Freeman in the awful movie version of the book."<br /><br />otoh he beautifully pulled off a really dark shade of red in Shawshank.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81260798475028302112012-10-24T00:35:19.719-07:002012-10-24T00:35:19.719-07:00"An oddity—there is much ethnological analysi...<i>"An oddity—there is much ethnological analysis of the novel's Latins, WASPs and a lower-class Southern white, but none of the novel's Jews.<br /><br />Imagine if he actually did address the JQ. Probably wouldn't be able to find a publisher."</i><br /><br />I wouldn't be surprised if Wolfe read Steve's blog, but unless he delves into the WN comments here, he may not have even heard of "the JQ". Nevertheless, Wolfe did perceptively sketch a number of Jewish characters in Bonfire of the Vanities and also a few in I am Charlotte Simmons. <br /><br />Charlotte Simmons has a great set piece featuring an assimilated Jewish-Unitarian dean, a 60s liberal Jewish professor, and the school's "stone German, stone Catholic" basketball coach.<br /><br />Bonfire has all sorts of good stuff -- the Jewish tycoon who made his fortune ferrying Muslims to Mecca, the Jewish mayor who didn't learn about the existence of WASPs until he got to college (he has a great riff on WASPs versus Irish and Italian Catholics in the "plaques for blacks" scene in the book).DaveinHackensackhttp://www.thehackensack.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86758341053107422702012-10-24T00:13:29.296-07:002012-10-24T00:13:29.296-07:00Got to get this now, so I can read it before Steve...Got to get this now, so I can read it before Steve posts his review and commenters pile in with spoilers.DaveinHackensackhttp://www.thehackensack.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.com