tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post7165982369471163364..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Barone: "GOP Shouldn't Panic If Whites Become a Minority"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger144125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91119169922552325422011-04-11T05:01:01.107-07:002011-04-11T05:01:01.107-07:00"Really? No doubt, large scale miscegenation ..."Really? No doubt, large scale miscegenation resulted in Brazil being a more unified country than America but to say that everyone is fully integrated is a stretch. Brazil still maintains large enclaves of people of shared phenotype, and Euro-looking citizens there have many privileges not granted to their darker skinned countrymen, especially the black ones."<br /><br />What does it matter if there are enclaves of people of a shared phenotype? Because they are white doesn't change the fact that they think of themselves as Brazilian, where in America blacks and Mexicans view themselves as outsiders and openly dislike America. <br /><br />Privileges are granted to Blacks through "cotas" or quotas via university, federal jobs among other things.<br /><br /><br />"Right, and that's most likely because they don't see themselves as black in the first place. They're just "whites with tans" or "really dark indians". Hell, black Brazilians would probably lynch ANY black if it meant that they might appear more white to their brethren. Everyone there is fixated with being white, and you know this. And since you love it so much, have you considered moving back?"<br /><br />Wrong, they have a very strong black identity, similar to black Americans. Pele sees himself as a black Brazilian not a dark Indian. They're South Americans, not blind and retarded.<br /><br />My whole point was Brazilian demographics work in Brazil because everyone fully view themselves as Brazilian and want the betterment of Brazil. American non-whites, be that black, mexicans, and certain white leftists have hatred for America's historic nation, and population. So, if America does reach Brazilian demographic levels it won't resemble Brazil. It'll resemble 1865, or whites being sent off to gulags. <br /><br />"And since you love it so much, have you considered moving back?"<br /><br />In conclusion, I think you are a mongoloid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22093141251617871812011-04-10T18:42:23.033-07:002011-04-10T18:42:23.033-07:00"Part of becoming white in America involves d..."Part of becoming white in America involves disassociating with blacks. Blacks are the "out group" and the color line is such that, with time, It's probably hard for some Hbders to swallow, but this is the historical pattern--when the white population gets "small", the definition of whitness is simply broadened."<br /><br />And some people just can't get it through their skulls that Europeans are white. Virtually all of them. Even the Jews. So it wasn't a huge leap to calling them white on the U.S. census. Get it? <br />I've seen this slippery argument elsewhere and it has never seemed to make any sense or to be historically accurate. The only people who "became" white were people who WERE white, but who were from backgrounds considered a bit alien in culture or religion, not race. <br /> Even in the belabored Sicilian example, one seldom sees any types approaching black or even the eponymous "middle eastern" type. And I am thinking of a slew of mug-shots of mob bosses through the century, not to mention my classmates back in the day, in a school named in a local newspaper as having no blacks. So I guess the Italians didn't qualify according to the inspectors. After all, that would include Dante and Galileo. <br /><br /> Europeans, whether they came from Ireland, Sweden, Russia, Serbia, northern Italy, Asturia, Basque country, Andalucia or even Sicily, experience a certain recognition, a core of shared history, culture and genetic affinity. The feeling of affinity will be stronger between two persons from the same "stock", or nationality than between widely separated countries, but an Irishman and a Serb, once culture and language are homoginized, will not make much distinction between them, racially. However, throw a Chinese or Indian or African in the mix, and no, none of those three groups will ever be "white." Nor would they want to, presumably.<br /><br />You may feel awkward defining "white" as a race, but you know it when you see it and you will never see it in most of the world's population. We're a minority and always will be. Your assumption that whites will incorporate other races and still remain "white" depends entirely on the non-white element remaining trivial, genetically speaking. Nobody is ever going to see a copper skinned indigenous American, looking like an Aztec carving, as "white." I'm sure the copper skinned individual doesn't see himself that way. Ain't happening. Nobody would ever see the late, great Michael Jackson as white. If they did, their lyin' eyes would be deceived.enough alreadynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51187301013255773312011-04-09T23:45:05.622-07:002011-04-09T23:45:05.622-07:00Ivanka Trump is partly Slavic (Czech) and it reall...Ivanka Trump is partly Slavic (Czech) and it really shows in her foreign appearance.<br /><br />http://thestarceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/ivanka_trump_2.jpg<br /><br />On the other hand you'd never guess that David Caruso is half Sicilian just by looking at him.<br /><br />http://www.thirdage.com/files/david-caruso-csi-miami.jpg<br /><br />So let's not make silly generalizations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53226682452947776272011-04-09T20:59:13.739-07:002011-04-09T20:59:13.739-07:00American whiteness is a pretty flexible concept. A...American whiteness is a pretty flexible concept. Always has been. It more or less includes any group that white Americans are willing to intermarry with. That said, there was a time when the Irish were not considered "white". <br />Part of becoming white in America involves disassociating with blacks. Blacks are the "out group" and the color line is such that, with time, any group that isn't black is legally defined as white. It's probably hard for some Hbders to swallow, but this is the historical pattern--when the white population gets "small", the definition of whitness is simply broadened. <br /><br />"I see lots of Isteve comments using Brazil as an example to describe America's future. Despite the demographics being the same, that is about it. Brazil's mass immigration ended about 1930, so every one is fully integrated and pro-Brazilian."<br /><br />Really? No doubt, large scale miscegenation resulted in Brazil being a more unified country than America but to say that everyone is fully integrated is a stretch. Brazil still maintains large enclaves of people of shared phenotype, and Euro-looking citizens there have many privileges not granted to their darker skinned countrymen, especially the black ones.<br /><br />"Also, Brazilian blacks have no "us vs. them" mentality that American blacks have. OJ Simpson, in Brazil, would more likely have been lynched by blacks than have been let off."<br /><br />Right, and that's most likely because they don't see themselves as black in the first place. They're just "whites with tans" or "really dark indians". Hell, black Brazilians would probably lynch ANY black if it meant that they might appear more white to their brethren. Everyone there is fixated with being white, and you know this. And since you love it so much, have you considered moving back?<br /><br />Btw, every group in America has an us vs them mentality. Some are more vocal about it.Marlonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52884510436337077502011-04-08T05:35:49.205-07:002011-04-08T05:35:49.205-07:00Shutting off massive immigration from Eastern and ...<i>Shutting off massive immigration from Eastern and Southern Europe in 1924 was a HUGE mistake.</i><br /><br />Most interesting comment I've seen here in a long time.IHTGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13543091238926738309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57080782345627883622011-04-07T11:59:09.173-07:002011-04-07T11:59:09.173-07:00Anyone that thinks that America is free has been t...<i>Anyone that thinks that America is free has been totally brainwashed. South America is generally a safe haven for liberty lovers. They vote for big government maybe more so than Americans, but there government is so ineffective that the result is a Libertarian society.</i><br /><br />Hmm, good point. In this day and age of nanny-statism, having a highly effective government nowadays WILL be stifling. Just ask any unbrainwashed German.corvinusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7458647410980911302011-04-07T10:47:38.631-07:002011-04-07T10:47:38.631-07:00>It would probably help if Barone would move to...>It would probably help if Barone would move to a sprawling, suburban Hispanic ghetto -- err, excuse me, a 'barrio' -- and send his kids (if he has any) to the schools there. But he's not going to do that.<<br /><br />Nor will his ilk ever HAVE to do that. Even after America goes majority brown. For the Baronites will simply do what many starry-eyed idealists (so-called) did in South Africa after whites became a minority there...namely, emigrate. Flee the mess their political orientation or advocacy helped to make.<br /><br />Believe me, such mess-makers rarely reap the consequences personally. There is always some other sucker country, or social niche within such, where they can be perfectly protected from the consequences of their actions. They merely stuff their jewelry in a sock and stuff the sock up, and take the next plane bound for their relatives in country x, y, or z.<br /><br />>[Barone] became completely emotional and said "all 4 of my grandparents were immigrants" and nearly cried<<br /><br />Maybe we should gag.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39473439338934304432011-04-07T08:59:10.185-07:002011-04-07T08:59:10.185-07:00LOVE IT! I'm going to start using it, if you d...<i>LOVE IT! I'm going to start using it, if you don't mind. I'll credit you.</i><br /><br />Have at it, and do as you please on the credit part. I doubt it's original.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54286819729877134712011-04-06T18:21:19.648-07:002011-04-06T18:21:19.648-07:00"Also, I couldn't live in a Police State ..."Also, I couldn't live in a Police State that America has become. America has become as totalitarian as the USSR, but with less jobs. Quite a predicament.<br /><br />I've read a few pieces (One by Fred Reed) that lead me to believe that a dirty little secret Americans don't want to know is that "Latin America" is freer than the US. We're supposed to love big government, as long as it's a "benevolent" nanny."<br /><br />Anyone that thinks that America is free has been totally brainwashed. South America is generally a safe haven for liberty lovers. They vote for big government maybe more so than Americans, but there government is so ineffective that the result is a Libertarian society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71908204050841397002011-04-06T16:40:48.621-07:002011-04-06T16:40:48.621-07:00"I have a new suggestion:
American-American...."I have a new suggestion:<br /><br />American-American. I has a nice eff-you ring to it, doesn't it?"<br /><br />LOVE IT! I'm going to start using it, if you don't mind. I'll credit you.JSMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66762607900081294842011-04-06T16:32:11.892-07:002011-04-06T16:32:11.892-07:00My best friend's Mexican husband did not like ...<i>My best friend's Mexican husband did not like them in general, but took people as individuals and of course there were blacks he liked very much.</i><br /><br />No no, that's impossible. Just ask T. Your Mexican friend harangues elderly black men on the street, and steals candy from black babies.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1290517003075631972011-04-06T16:29:21.643-07:002011-04-06T16:29:21.643-07:00Also, I couldn't live in a Police State that A...<i>Also, I couldn't live in a Police State that America has become. America has become as totalitarian as the USSR, but with less jobs. Quite a predicament.</i><br /><br />I've read a few pieces (One by Fred Reed) that lead me to believe that a dirty little secret Americans don't want to know is that "Latin America" is freer than the US. We're supposed to love big government, as long as it's a "benevolent" nanny.Svigornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84585575201794061242011-04-06T15:53:11.545-07:002011-04-06T15:53:11.545-07:00"General envy and resentment notwithstanding,..."General envy and resentment notwithstanding, I don't think Asian parents would mind a white son-in-law or daughter-in-law very much."<br /><br />And what about white parents?Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90409489754740628352011-04-06T13:11:49.370-07:002011-04-06T13:11:49.370-07:00Truth:
I think you miss the basic point; there is...Truth:<br /><br /><em>I think you miss the basic point; there is NO ethnic group that has any particular large-scale love for same-sex members of ANY other particular group. Go ahead, name one...</em><br /><br />General envy and resentment notwithstanding, I don't think Asian parents would mind a white son-in-law or daughter-in-law very much.TomVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17444310940860282036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56147613899130076352011-04-06T12:38:34.574-07:002011-04-06T12:38:34.574-07:00"I believe it was Charles De Gaulle who said,..."I believe it was Charles De Gaulle who said,<br />"Brazil is the nation of the future, and always will be."<br /><br />Killer quote"<br /><br />De Gaulle also said " Brazil's not a serious country"<br /><br />Maybe that was once true, but it no longer is. I have dual citizenship and am fluent in both languages and quite frankly have no interest in testing out the American job market. In Brazil, if you have a degree you are hired immediately out of college, or more likely one year into college you're hired as an intern. Much better in my opinion. <br /><br />Also, I couldn't live in a Police State that America has become. America has become as totalitarian as the USSR, but with less jobs. Quite a predicament.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37630230360666315932011-04-06T10:05:11.167-07:002011-04-06T10:05:11.167-07:00"I think the "Green" left and the &...<i>"I think the "Green" left and the "paleocon" right actually have much more in common with each other"</i><br /><br />That's because they are both socialist movements.Has to benoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5931149360319341612011-04-06T10:04:26.961-07:002011-04-06T10:04:26.961-07:00"I'm of essentially the same ethnic compo...<i>"I'm of essentially the same ethnic composition (more English than German though in my case), but I tend to identify with "WASP" Americans more than Slavs."</i><br /><br />I might, if I weren't so passionate about late Romantic music, which is basically dominated by Germans and Slavs. I think the passion for music itself is more German and/or Slavic than English. <br /><br /><i>"Really there are few barriers to being thought of as an Anglo if you are (partly) Slavic - someone has already mentioned Martha Stewart, a good example."</i><br /><br />Yes, but looking "foreign" (i.e., Slavic) is one of them. I look somewhat as if Paderewski could be my great-grandfather.Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37493766552314757792011-04-06T09:40:30.758-07:002011-04-06T09:40:30.758-07:00"Truth said:"Huh? Mexicans don't par..."Truth said:"Huh? Mexicans don't particularly like blacks,"<br /><br />I read this particularly ridiculous inference here almost every day, but I, being black, don't see it; amd I have all Mexican neighbors.<br /><br />Projection anyone? "<br /><br /><br />My best friend's Mexican husband did not like them in general, but took people as individuals and of course there were blacks he liked very much. I'm sure he would have seemed the soul of charm to you. He worked with a Colombian who spoke with relief of moving to a neighborhood that was mostly white and had no blacks, but that guy was more in the white spectrum of "hispanic" so maybe that's why he was so racist as to want to live in an area where he not only felt safer, but was safer? Just maybe? <br />So yes, I think that's true in general. How deep it goes, I really don't know being myself, neither black nor "hispanic." One thing --"hispanics" (mostly central Americans) have changed black neighborhoods to "hispanic" in a decade, and I am talking huge areas of DC and the suburbs. Whether they "hate" each or not, they do not meld together particularly. I suspect by and large, there's no love lost.<br />A black co-worker, quite smart w/only two kids from a previous marriage, was critical of the over-breeding hispanics. She claimed the blacks had stopped having so many babies, but everytime she went to the hospital for dialysis, she saw lots of "big bellied" hispanic women. She did not approve.dcitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84747795272708137802011-04-06T09:23:25.819-07:002011-04-06T09:23:25.819-07:00"1. For those keeping score, Barone is Jewish..."1. For those keeping score, Barone is Jewish."<br /><br />I don't like that tendency either, but in this case it's relevant, as I've come to see. I have never considered Jews to be anything other than a type of white ethnic with a bit more of the middle-eastern genes that most Europeans also have to some extent, as well. However, SOME people are prone to see them as actual or honorary, non-whites, which their history does sort of encourage. The initiator of that "When the Irish Became White" nonsense, Prof. Ignatiev, was Jewish, and of a "Marxist" sympathy. If his views had just been dismissed as an eccentric way of viewing the world, I wouldn't mind. But when people take it seriously, I must protest. The Irish, as we all know, were always white (according to color-measurements, the whitest of the white) and never seen as anything else; they were just seen as undesirable whites if they were of a certain religion or social class. The Italians were never seen, seriously, as non-white. Sometimes Sicilians of my parents' acquaintance would use the term "white Italian" to describe a blond type from northern Italy, but this non-whiteness-identity was fairly shallow--southern Italians were culturally European to the core. They were not subjected to Jim Crow laws, never proscribed from marrying northern Europeans, nor were they ever forced into non-white, segregated areas. By the 1940s, Irish-Italian an marriages were common (and usually quite successful.)<br />So it is sort of "oh, that explains it" when you hear Barone is Jewish. Too bad, but that does sort of figure. <br />They really need to get a grip. If they want to "go colored" in their own heads, let them. But please leave other ethnicities out of it. They already know who they are.<br />Geez, just let whites be white. If you want to go around thinking it's an illusion, please include browns, blacks and yellows (and reds), in that fantasy.doresnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16565373199860210562011-04-06T05:55:53.486-07:002011-04-06T05:55:53.486-07:00The real myth, being promulgated by people like yo...<i>The real myth, being promulgated by people like you, is that "everyone's Irish grandfather remembers 'no Irish need apply' signs blanketing the land".</i><br /><br /><i>My own Irish grandfather had no such memories.</i><br /><br />Neither did mine. (I always thought it was great to have Irish genes because the Irish are the least likely people in the world to turn out literal-minded, humorless gits. Guess a few always slip through, though.)Rohan Sweenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20029402212489144782011-04-06T02:10:36.191-07:002011-04-06T02:10:36.191-07:00"We who? My ancestry is 1/4 German,1/4 Britis..."We who? My ancestry is 1/4 German,1/4 British and 1/2 Slavic. I think of myself as German-American or Slavic. True, I have an affinity for some British things (movies, literature) but I don't identify with them, I just like them."<br /><br />My point is not that German-Americans like British things but that Americans of German and British (and others) ancestry have melded into a generic American ethnicity. I don't think of myself as a German in the same way that Italians and Jews (and Irish to a lesser degree) think of themselves. Perhaps two wars against Germany hastened the assimilation. Similarly in Argentina, the mainstream population is a mixture of Spanish and Italian and I don't think anyone distinguishes between them anymore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27505528763272165012011-04-06T01:34:26.148-07:002011-04-06T01:34:26.148-07:00To my mind, the word that comes to mind regarding ...To my mind, the word that comes to mind regarding Irish culture is "anhedonia."<br /><br />Listening to "Shipping Up to Boston" by the Dropkick Murphys is like getting punched in the head for 3 minutes. But, I gotta say, it's kind of to my taste.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68547239345804704582011-04-06T01:19:25.660-07:002011-04-06T01:19:25.660-07:00We who? My ancestry is 1/4 German,1/4 British and ...<i>We who? My ancestry is 1/4 German,1/4 British and 1/2 Slavic. </i><br /><br />Interesting. I'm of essentially the same ethnic composition (more English than German though in my case), but I tend to identify with "WASP" Americans more than Slavs. Really there are few barriers to being thought of as an Anglo if you are (partly) Slavic - someone has already mentioned Martha Stewart, a good example.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33873634416078648162011-04-06T00:28:27.239-07:002011-04-06T00:28:27.239-07:00I believe it was Charles De Gaulle who said,
&quo...I believe it was Charles De Gaulle who said,<br /> "Brazil is the nation of the future, and always will be."<br /><br />Killer quote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1876378834190262082011-04-05T23:42:35.569-07:002011-04-05T23:42:35.569-07:00"Under the definitions in use in the America ..."Under the definitions in use in the America of a century ago, when Southern and Eastern European immigrants were not regarded as white, the United States became a majority non-white nation sometime in the 1950s"<br />Sounds wrong. Razib has noted that the majority of Americans were still descended from Albion's Seeds until about the 90s.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.com