tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post7385238808876188214..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: The NYT on Thilo Sarrazin, againUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48852136557714739072010-11-21T22:11:44.309-08:002010-11-21T22:11:44.309-08:00>We're going to see scapegoating [NOTHING I...>We're going to see scapegoating [NOTHING IS EVER ACTUALLY THEIR FAULT -- David] followed by forcing muslims to wear some sort of identifying mark on their clothing [SUCH AS BURQAS OR VEILS IN FRANCE? -- David] followed by pogroms, internment and then mass death. There are already Muslim ghettos [PRACTICALLY AS BAD AS CHINATOWNS, EH? -- David]. Germany (and western Europe in general...) has been through this before with a religious minority -- I think you know who I'm talking about.<<br /><br />Who, boychick? Who? We're jumping up and down with suspense. Spring the bombshell, quick!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91656121383449856082010-11-18T09:54:38.415-08:002010-11-18T09:54:38.415-08:00Well Corvinus, if that's the German solution t...<i>Well Corvinus, if that's the German solution to immigration, maybe us Americans can learn a thing or two.</i><br /><br />What we in the USA have been doing is twofold: 1) progressively hiking the fees for visas, making it more expensive to immigrate (in 2007, there was a spike in applications to beat a fee hike, and afterwards in 2008 and 2009, applications were lower than in the earlier part of the decade), and 2) letting huge wait times deter attempts to immigrate (which is especially bad for Mexicans and Filipinos who want to immigrate). Unlike human rights groups who bellyache about the long wait times, I don't see them as a bad thing, really. White people don't have many family members TO sponsor, so it doesn't really affect us.<br /><br /><i>Do you know if Sweden is planning any immigration cuts, due to the sucess of immigration restrictionists?</i><br /><br />The SD would have to get into the government, like its sister party in Denmark has done. The Swedish center-right government has however refused to let the SD join them, so I don't see any effect yet. Norway, despite having a restrictionist party as strong as Denmark's, is as loose as Sweden, primarily because it's governed by the left right now.<br /><br /><i>In the longterm, Europe should promote aggressive natalist policies, like the French are doing.</i><br /><br />This would have nothing but a palliative effect. Never underestimate religion as a birth rate booster. Personally, I think the biggest disaster for European birth rates was (wait for it) the Catholic Church's Vatican II, which gutted the church's rites and turned it into a vapid liberal shell of its former self. It nicely explains why Europeans can't breed (and why Latin Americans are getting that way) but Israelis and Muslims can.<br /><br /><i>The Tories have some serious restrictionists in their ranks. One can hope that they can win sway over David Cameron and bring down net migration. One thing to consider: Until Labor took power in 1997, the Tories were keeping net migration at pretty low levels. So they have good restrictionist credentials, unlike Blair and Gordon Brown.</i><br /><br />I think they're tightening up already. The problem is that race-denial and sickening PC is still in full force.corvinusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63597725909485628682010-11-17T23:22:14.091-08:002010-11-17T23:22:14.091-08:00Well Corvinus, if that's the German solution t...Well Corvinus, if that's the German solution to immigration, maybe us Americans can learn a thing or two. <br /><br />Do you know if Sweden is planning any immigration cuts, due to the sucess of immigration restrictionists? <br /><br />In the longterm, Europe should promote aggressive natalist policies, like the French are doing. <br /><br />The Tories have some serious restrictionists in their ranks. One can hope that they can win sway over David Cameron and bring down net migration. One thing to consider: Until Labor took power in 1997, the Tories were keeping net migration at pretty low levels. So they have good restrictionist credentials, unlike Blair and Gordon Brown.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85190725929181394952010-11-17T18:10:01.165-08:002010-11-17T18:10:01.165-08:00Also, somewhat off-topic, but the TSA/Tyner episod...Also, somewhat off-topic, but the TSA/Tyner episode reminds me of the Idiocracy scene where Clevon is in the hospital after impaling his crotch on an iron gate.corvinusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8138611528145627512010-11-17T17:19:40.219-08:002010-11-17T17:19:40.219-08:00I've seen no indication so far that Mike Hucka...<i>I've seen no indication so far that Mike Huckabee is particularly intelligent fellow.</i><br /><br />Well, he *is* from Arkansas...<br /><br /><i>All in all, Germany will likely stay German for at least this century. Can't say the same for Sweden.<br /><br />Anyway, I bet most of you wouldn't have suspected that Germany is that locked down, as of this point.<br /></i><br /><br />It's the German solution to immigration: throw massive amounts of bureaucracy at the would-be immigrants. Right now, Germany is practically like Japan.<br /><br />Denmark and Netherlands are the other two previously wide-open Germanic countries who have slammed the gates shut. Both seemed to be loosening slightly, but with Wilders, the latest elections, and the economy, they're as tight as Germany now.<br /><br />As far as wide-open countries: make that Sweden and Norway. Norway has a strong economy due to its oil wealth, and it's sucking in immigrants on a per-capita basis just as fast as Sweden. I think they let in 60,000 immigrants last year, while Sweden let in 100,000.<br /><br />Australia was at 300,000... it's just as loony as Sweden and Norway.<br /><br />Britain lets in about the same number as Australia, so Britain is actually only about a third as bad as Australia, when one considers Britain's population is three times as large.<br /><br />Canada is in between these two on a per-capita basis, and the USA is somewhat below Britain. Yes, below Britain, Australia, and Canada. And Norway and Sweden.corvinusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48498267774965282802010-11-17T02:50:02.794-08:002010-11-17T02:50:02.794-08:00UK immigration policies are not restrictive, even ...UK immigration policies are not restrictive, even under Cameron. <br /><br />If you think they are you have been done by a PR job - if you're an American reading this, don't feel bad, it's not your job to notice the UK is now ruled from Brussels.<br /><br />Directive <a href="http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/site/en/oj/2004/l_158/l_15820040430en00770123.pdf" rel="nofollow">2004/38/EC</a><br /><br />Short translation: the EU is a fishing net and UK is a trawler. The immigrants are fish. When a fish gets caught in the net it is hauled in to the UK by 2004/38/EC.<br /><br />Hence UK's harsh immigration policies are an illusion. All that immigrants require to move to the UK is to be married to someone with an EU passport from <i>any</i> EU state, or be a member of their "extended family". <br /><br />This means not only does the Somali asylum seeker in Romania who either marries a Romanian citizen, or gets an EU passport from Romania after the regulation few years, get to come to Britain, he can invite his entire extended family over to Britain from Somali.<br /><br /><b>This</b> is actual source of UK's high immigration. Cameron is doing nothing about Directive 2004/38/EC because he is a career EUrocrat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57498595354044890252010-11-17T00:15:18.762-08:002010-11-17T00:15:18.762-08:00Germany is experiencing negative immigration and h...Germany is experiencing negative immigration and has been for the last several years. The issue is the large Muslim population and its high birthrate. Of course, even at this rate, Germany's non-Western population will remain comparatively small for a while. <br /><br />All in all, Germany will likely stay German for at least this century. Can't say the same for Sweden.<br /><br />You know, that information about negative Turkish immigration could've been googled, assuming the link wasn't working...... Anyway, I bet most of you wouldn't have suspected that Germany is that locked down, as of this point.<br /><br />Right now, other than Sweden, Europe is much more restrictionist than the U.S. The EU, on a per capita basis, takes about 1/3 the immigrants of the U.S. I'd prefer less, but the point is that the U.S. is insane.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-101682700961279902010-11-16T15:07:35.053-08:002010-11-16T15:07:35.053-08:00We're going to see scapegoating followed by fo...We're going to see scapegoating followed by forcing muslims to wear some sort of identifying mark on their clothing followed by pogroms, internment and then mass death. There are already Muslim ghettos. Germany (and western Europe in general...) has been through this before with a religious minority -- I think you know who I'm talking about. From socialism to fascism to democracy and right back to fascism, time really is cyclical and human beings never change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35742514359837482732010-11-16T14:25:38.337-08:002010-11-16T14:25:38.337-08:00"I will also add that many of the worst offen..."I will also add that many of the worst offenders are non-Jewish. For example, Governor Huckabee wants to deport the Arab population out of Israel, but let "undocumented migrant laborers" get an amnesty. What the heck?"<br /><br />I've seen no indication so far that Mike Huckabee is particularly intelligent fellow.alexishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14958611059030729965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83237058225596861742010-11-16T12:20:29.006-08:002010-11-16T12:20:29.006-08:00Like Sarrain himself says, most of the people who ...Like Sarrain himself says, most of the people who dismiss or try to discredit him -- and this is definitely an attempt at that, albeit subtler than most -- have not read his book. Which is surely true in this case as well.ehnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42425382102851810432010-11-16T07:31:01.810-08:002010-11-16T07:31:01.810-08:00I'm pretty sure that any resident of an EU cou...I'm pretty sure that any resident of an EU country can migrate freely to Germany. The restrictions only apply to non-EU. If one EU country has lax immigration policies then they all do, in practical terms. Lets see Muslim immigration to Germany decline once Turkey becomes an EU member...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62557171566479783002010-11-15T22:54:58.001-08:002010-11-15T22:54:58.001-08:00A link that works, please!
Gotta wonder about the...<i>A link that works, please!</i><br /><br />Gotta wonder about the actual brainpower of the Mensa cases around here who can't even script a hyperlink.<br /><br />Okay, from a Spiegel Online article titled <i>Germany Needs More Foreigners</i>:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,714534,00.html" rel="nofollow">...an ever-dwindling number of Turks have been emigrating to Germany. Their net immigration plunged from 10,130 in the year 2000 to 1,746 in 2005. In the meantime, the direction of emigration has even reversed itself. In 2008 -- the most recent year with available concrete figures -- there was a net emigration of 10,147 persons to Turkey</a>.<br /><br />(Steve, if you already got this link from others then just 86 this one.)CJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86336498072963303132010-11-15T21:28:45.621-08:002010-11-15T21:28:45.621-08:00The dirty secret of Turkish immigration in Germany...<i>The dirty secret of Turkish immigration in Germany is that nearly half of "Turks" are in fact Kurds. Kurds have a lower IQ than ethnic Turks, particularly western Turks.<br />In any case, even Kurds are preferable to Moroccans, Algerians, Pakis and the rest of the Muslim crowd.</i><br /><br />I would like to see a source for this please because based on my extensive travels to Germany and meeting with many Turkish Muslims in Germany, I find this very hard to believe. First of all, most of the Muslims in Germany speak Turkish fluently and self-identify as Turks. Kurds are just as proud of their heritage as the nationalistic Turks yet they would never identify themselves as Turks even if they spoke perfect Turkish.<br /><br />Kurds do have a lower IQ than Turks, especially the secular Turks. I would peg Kurdish IQ at about the mid 80's. Secular Turkish IQ is around the mid 90's to low 100's. But most secular Turks are not migrating to Germany. They have it too good in Turkey.<br /><br /><i>As an aside, when it comes to Europe, Muslims are problematic, but I'm not sure whether Middle Eastern and South Asians Muslims or Africans are more problematic.</i><br /><br />It depends what you are worried about. If you are worried about terrorism, then South Asian Muslims are the worst. If you are worried about organized crime, then don't live near Albanians. If you are worried about theft, then watch out for the Moroccans. If wildings scare you, then so should Somalis. Not a fan of rape? Then you won't be a fan of Arabs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23266108948725093292010-11-15T20:43:48.809-08:002010-11-15T20:43:48.809-08:00According to the German newspaper Spiegel, Germany...<i>According to the German newspaper Spiegel, Germany is experiencing negative immigration of Turks.<br /><br />A link that works, please!</i><br /><br />http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,554612,00.html<br /><br />It seems that Turkey is attracting immigration from Europe for the same reason the South is from the rest of the USA: lower cost of living, among other things.corvinusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58835442827501989292010-11-15T18:52:46.461-08:002010-11-15T18:52:46.461-08:00According to the German newspaper Spiegel, Germany...<em>According to the German newspaper Spiegel, Germany is experiencing negative immigration of Turks.</em><br /><br />A link that works, please!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41273757136068295672010-11-15T17:20:19.823-08:002010-11-15T17:20:19.823-08:00I keep hearing lots of thing about Cameron's i...I keep hearing lots of thing about Cameron's immigration policies in the UK. The cap is being lifted from 2600 per month to 4000 and intracompany transfers are exempt. However, there is apparently going to be a salary requirement to keep out non highly paid workers. Also, the right to permanent settlement will be taken away from students and foreign workers.<br /><br /><br />This strikes me as reasonable. I'd prefer more restrictive immigration policies, but keeping foreign workers and students from permanently settling is a good first step. There appears to be some movement toward restricting marriage visas too. Also, immigration minister Damian Green keeps reiterating the call for 40,000 net migration per year, which is encouraging.<br /><br />The Tories are basically a pro-business party, much like the Republicans. So I can somewhat sympathize with Cameron. The main question is this: Will David Cameron implement immigration policies to stop the demographic transformation of the UK? Given his large spending cuts (welfare is a major driver of immigrant fertility) and desire to restrict permanent migration, he's showing some common sense. He could do better (ie cut immigrants off welfare completely, go for 0 net migration, and pay some of the worst cases to go back), but I wouldn't mind a Cameron-style immigration policy in the U.S. It'd be far preferrable to the insanity that currently is embraced as conventional wisdom.<br /><br />In the U.S., a Cameron-style immigration policy would be demagogued as racist and would be completely unembraced by either party. So be happy with what you got.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70152025993479077532010-11-15T16:40:27.352-08:002010-11-15T16:40:27.352-08:00German newspapers are a bit more balanced.
Still,...German newspapers are a bit more balanced.<br /><br /><i><a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,druck-715876,00.html" rel="nofollow">Still, the view that there are serious problems with immigrants is also widespread -- even though Mesut Özil was one of the German national team's stars in the last World Cup and Sibel Kekilli is a television star. Instead of such celebrities with Turkish backgrounds, many Germans are apparently more likely to think first of Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who, in 2008, told Turks living in Germany: "No one can expect you to subject yourselves to assimilation, because assimilation is a crime against humanity."</a></i><br /><br />Very few US reporters have seen fit to mention that Sazzarin wants Germany to import more Jews, because he thinks they are more intelligent. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.jewcy.com/uncategorized/kevin_macdonald_right" rel="nofollow">That last bit is either raging anti-Semitism or a source of pride, depending on who says it</a>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2216461802143772072010-11-15T14:52:49.526-08:002010-11-15T14:52:49.526-08:00Btw
http://www.economist.com/node/17468554?story_...Btw<br /><br />http://www.economist.com/node/17468554?story_id=17468554&fsrc=rss<br /><br />"A week earlier, Jeremy Hunt, the culture secretary, mentioned Mr Florida in an article in the Times. Staff in Number 10 enthuse about an economist who “describes life as it is now, not as it used to be.”"<br /><br />"Mr Florida’s definition of creative goes beyond the obvious artists and musicians to include anyone open to new ideas. He says businesses must give space and flexibility to these freethinkers, and that cities must attract lots of them to be successful. This means they must be green, clean, tolerant and cultured, typically with large gay and ethnic-minority populations. This has led to him being attacked from the right for his pro-gay and pro-immigration stance, and criticised from the left as an advocate of elitism and gentrification."<br /><br />This is what Cameron's commitment towards lowering immigration means. The PR chump.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21963929156865741982010-11-15T14:10:51.098-08:002010-11-15T14:10:51.098-08:00Germany has already shut the door on immigration. ...<i>Germany has already shut the door on immigration. In fact, there's been negative immigration for the past several years. For Turks, there was negative immigration of about 10,000 in the previous year.<br /><br />Source please!</i><br /><br />It's true... I read a few newspaper articles about that, including one from Spiegel. I tried to find them just now, but they were from a few months ago and I couldn't. But I did find this:<br /><br />http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=more-and-more-greeks-seek-work-in-turkey-2010-11-15corvinusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79513035209781421072010-11-15T12:39:44.874-08:002010-11-15T12:39:44.874-08:00http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story...http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130649146<br /><br /><b>Before coming to Germany, skilled foreign workers from non-EU states have to prove that they make more than 66,000 euros a year in order to get a specialized work permit. Only a tiny number met that requirement in 2009. In addition, that permit is limited to just five years of employment.<br /><br />Siemens, one of Germany's largest companies, currently has some 3,000 job openings, most of them for engineers. Siemens' Mark Langdorf says the immigration restrictions are onerous, outdated and risk hurting business. "From a business standpoint, it would be rather compelling when the political framework for the whole immigration scheme would change to give a better framework for talented people to come to Germany," Langdorf says.<br /><br />For immigrants already in Germany, getting citizenship is just as hard; they must have lived in the country for eight years, prove command of the language, pass a test and prove full, self-sustaining employment before they can become naturalized citizens.<br /><br />Until January 2000, German citizenship was based solely on "blood rights," meaning only children of German citizens were granted citizenship. Since 2000, it's become a little easier. But there are still big hurdles. And children of immigrants are not automatically German citizens. One of the parents has to have lived here for three years prior to the birth, and then citizenship is given only provisionally.<br /><br />Largely lost in the debate is the fact that immigrants are not invading: Last year, nearly 40,000 Turkish immigrants left Germany and returned home, including some highly skilled workers — that's 10,000 more than arrived in 2009.<br /></b><br /><br />Germany has some remarkably sane immigration policies. Perhaps they could even loosen up a bit in terms of foreign workers, since 66000 Euros (~90K a year) is a high threshold. Or maybe not, considering that havoc H1B is creating in the U.S..... The point is that German politicians are better than other European politicians, who (with the exception of absolutely insane Sweden) are better than American politicians. America's political class are bufoons and should be swapped for Sarazzin, Sarkozy, and David Cameron.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69203748907320105002010-11-15T12:20:04.102-08:002010-11-15T12:20:04.102-08:00European countries need to make a simple amendment...<i>European countries need to make a simple amendment to their laws affecting spouses and immigration: no one, any of whose parents or grandparents immigrated from outside the EU, may import a spouse. This will go a long way towards aiding assimilation and to reducing numbers of new immigrants.</i><br /><br />Tough to do when that would contravene the EU wide supercessionary human rights law.<br /><br />But yes. The most significant other area of abuse would be skill/education programs in which suspect documents are produced from suspect institutions - this should be dealt with by creating more latitude for governments to put prospective immigrants through supervised testing in their field or at least a basic IQ test. But I digress.<br /><br />Though I think if anything it would be easier to say that noone may import a spouse. If a person comes to live in the country and obtains naturalisation or subsequently marries, then that is fine, but no one should be granted leave to stay in a country as a spouse. Exceptions for spouses of extremely highly skilled immigrants could be made, but I think that would make a good basic law.<br /><br />(Also, in terms of spouses remember that South Asians in general are the ones for this, more than Muslims per say - this is much more common in South Asian Hindu groups like Patels and South Asian Sikh groups like Singhs than Middle Eastern moslems or even African moslems. Not that other "Muslims" and other ethnic groups don't do this [and these folks frequently make up for this by purchasing marriages, which is more difficult, but probably surprisingly less so than would be expected!]).Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47946160113224836052010-11-15T11:57:14.066-08:002010-11-15T11:57:14.066-08:00http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,7...http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,703805,00.html<br /><br />According to the German newspaper Spiegel, Germany is experiencing negative immigration of Turks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77536415895774261792010-11-15T10:42:58.420-08:002010-11-15T10:42:58.420-08:00The backward Turkish community in Germany calls at...The backward Turkish community in Germany calls attention to large differences in intelligence between some different groups of Whites. The few IQ studies that we have of European populations both showed that ethnic Germans are the smartest non-Askenazi Jewish Whites. Ethnic Germans probably have an average IQ of about 102-103. This is least ten points higher than Southeastern Europeans (Romanians, Bulgarians, Greeks, the Balkan populations) and Turks.<br /><br />When you consider that most German Turks were poorly selected (from economically backward eastern Turkey), then there's probably as much as a 15-point IQ gap between ethnic Germans and ethnic Turks/Kurds in Germany.<br /><br />The fact that White America is basically the product of Northwestern Europe makes these IQ differences an irrelevant issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53907274674154788042010-11-15T10:37:23.994-08:002010-11-15T10:37:23.994-08:00The cultural differences are far more important th...The cultural differences are far more important than IQ. A society can manage IQ within a certain range--when it gets too wide there are problems, but cultural differences fracture the body politic and allow the managerial elite to run everything, as they do in America.<br /><br />I swear you allow millions of persecuted religious ethnics into your country and they just never forgive you. They set about destroying your society with rancid multiculturalism.Udolpho.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12976984423336975944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49298165270621326682010-11-15T09:47:59.606-08:002010-11-15T09:47:59.606-08:00Two different mindsets.
Germans who never forget...Two different mindsets. <br /><br />Germans who never forget the Holocaust. <br />Turks who never remember the Armenia genocide.asdfadsfdsfnoreply@blogger.com