tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post7497789695607598019..comments2024-03-19T02:31:02.140-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Do Indians just like memorizing stuff?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78220885639127079382009-04-07T18:06:00.000-07:002009-04-07T18:06:00.000-07:00"Blue Eyed Fool..."Do we really need this? Ignorin..."Blue Eyed Fool..."<BR/><BR/>Do we really need this? Ignoring our delusional and violent swarthy neighbors is just as harmful to us as ignoring HBD. <BR/><BR/>Look at them-spouting out totally irrelevant and bizarre accusations of the crimes/"inferiority"(Ha!) of those barbaric foreigners.Hannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34492763635313817842009-04-05T20:34:00.000-07:002009-04-05T20:34:00.000-07:00Memorizing stuff really paid off to Brahmins in In...Memorizing stuff really paid off to Brahmins in India.<BR/><BR/>Brahmins are people residing in India who have created caste/religion system in India 3000 years ago, which assigns each person a "fixed" place in the social hierarchy.<BR/>As per this system Brahmins by birth are privileged to stay "on top" of social and economic hierarchy.<BR/>Currently they predominantly practise this ancient caste system and deprive and deny other Indians of social and economic benefits.<BR/>Currently the population of Brahmins in India is only 5%.<BR/><BR/>But,<BR/><BR/>* 95% of the jobs in "Business" are occupied by Brahmins.<BR/>* 95% of the positions in "Judiciary" are occupied by Brahmins.<BR/>* 95% of the time India is "Ruled" by Brahmins after independence.<BR/>* 50% of the positions in government "Administration" are occupied by Brahmins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85122499896157229392009-04-05T12:27:00.000-07:002009-04-05T12:27:00.000-07:00wow a guy on utube says he's really smart! You win...wow a guy on utube says he's really smart! You win.<BR/><BR/>Except that when actual IQ tests are given to Indians the Brahmins don't score as well.<BR/><BR/>Reported scores from 1966:<BR/>Caste IQ High School marks<BR/>Brahmin 38.79 242.62<BR/>Kshatriya 39.4 247.5<BR/>Vaishya 41.78 259<BR/>SC* 35.73 241.92<BR/>*Scheduled Castes<BR/>From Sternberg "Environmental Effects on cognitive abilities" <BR/><BR/>Of the higher castes, Brahmins have the lowest IQ. Despite having slightly higher IQ than scheduled castes, they perform only marginally better academically. This belies a view that Brahmins have stronger verbal or math abilities: those would translate, on average, to improved scholastic performance.<BR/><BR/>In fact, the IQ gap between Valash and Brahmin is about the same size as the gap between Brahmin and scheduled castes.<BR/><BR/>All of which makes sense. Smart merchants can use higher income to have larger families. During food shortages, smarter merchants' kids eat. Wealth partially isolates people from disease. <BR/><BR/>Rec1, can you point to any study showing that Brahmins score better than every other caste on an intelligence test? Any at all?robnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70910768094869436622009-04-03T18:20:00.000-07:002009-04-03T18:20:00.000-07:00rob saidthis is that when IQ has actually been mea...rob said<BR/><BR/>this is that when IQ has actually been measured in India by caste, Vaishyas outscore Brahmins.<BR/>---<BR/><BR/><BR/>lets do a reality check<BR/><BR/>some higher end vaishya sub-castes may outscore some brahmin sub-castes <BR/><BR/>1. Indian nuke test 1974,<BR/>9 brahmins, 3 vaishyas<BR/><BR/>2. US spelling bee winners<BR/>6 brahmins, 2 vaishyas<BR/><BR/>3. US math olympiad team<BR/>2007 - 1 brahmin, 2008 - 2 brahmins<BR/><BR/>4. 2009 MIT math integration bee<BR/>( math contest among MIT undergrads )<BR/>Out of 12 finalists<BR/>3 brahmins<BR/><BR/>5. 2009 Intel talent search finalists, 6 brahmins, 2 vaishyas<BR/><BR/>6. Youngest spelling bee finalist at age 7, - brahmin<BR/><BR/>7. Only 12 year old with perfect SAT - brahmin<BR/><BR/>8. 176 IQ kid on you-tube - brahminrec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61283639218446462312009-04-03T07:15:00.000-07:002009-04-03T07:15:00.000-07:00The vaishyas ( merchants ) did compound interest s...<I>The vaishyas ( merchants ) did compound interest since they were money lenders...brahmin math went far beyond mere compound interestA lot of indian math was mental math oriented. Google up 'vedic math' to see the indian method of doing 3 digit x 3 digit multiplication in your mind</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, like I said, the Brahmins did abstract, autistic stuff. Other people did useful things with real world applications and results. Being a moneylender or merchant has a much higher IQ elasticity than being a teacher or shaman. The result of this is that when IQ has actually been measured in India by caste, Vaishyas outscore Brahmins.robnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35716819192441522842009-04-02T12:41:00.000-07:002009-04-02T12:41:00.000-07:002] It keeps knowledge only among those who deserve...2] It keeps knowledge only among those who deserve it (who are wise enough for it.)<BR/><BR/>Yes--they were wise to understand this and that anyone writing a books and articles, even a mule writing is not a good thing---<BR/><BR/>See Plato also on the mistrust of the written word in the Phaedrus and in the seventh letter where he says the love of wisdom is "innate" and is not taught...renukahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14845571986230295139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48468850346520078252009-04-02T12:34:00.000-07:002009-04-02T12:34:00.000-07:00The Brahmins are also very similar to the Zoroastr...The Brahmins are also very similar to the Zoroastrian priesthood who were also referred to as Brahman. This is not surprising owing to the proximity of Iran and the linguistic similarities between Zend Avestan and Rig Vedic Sanskrit--which happen to be sister languages...Unfortunately the Zoroastrians were wiped out by Muslims and few survive today in Iran and some more in India.renukahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14845571986230295139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9212345767947797952009-04-02T08:55:00.000-07:002009-04-02T08:55:00.000-07:00Well there are just a lot of wacky things coming f...Well there are just a lot of wacky things coming from the new age hippee turned Buddhist, who really know nothing about Buddhism. <BR/><BR/>I do not understand the obsession with I.Q. on this blog. Who makes IQ tests--some stupid people the same kinds that make standardized tests such as SAT, LSAT etc. I score highly on standardized tests but it really says nothing about my IQ--just says how much I prepared for them--even the IQ tests you can score higher when you see how the test is made...<BR/>High IQ is measured by a Physics or Math PHD who is creative in their fields, or by a good work of literature and such and how much you contribute creatively to civilization. Not by some stupid IQ tests made by idiots.renukahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14845571986230295139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36993004536447891132009-04-02T05:41:00.000-07:002009-04-02T05:41:00.000-07:00recman said,"The closest analog in the west is the...recman said,<BR/>"The closest analog in the west is the now extinct Druid of the Celts<BR/><BR/>Very likely a Druid / brahmin caste existed among several Indo-european language speakers 5000 years ago<BR/><BR/>( Dru-vidya in sanskrit means immersed in wisdom )"<BR/><BR/> I agree. This tradition of memorising was common among the Celtic Druids and ancient Hindu priests alike. I remember my friend's father (who is a devout Brahmin) telling me that when humans started using writing, their memory deteriorated a little. Our ancestors had superior memory as compared to us as they avoided writing. Oral traditions helped cultivate our memories. Something of that sort. <BR/><BR/> I remember reading somewhere about Julius Caesar saying that even though the Celtic Druids had the knowledge of the Greek, Latin and Germanic (Futhark) scripts, they never wrote down their immense pool of knowledge. The Druids preferred oral traditions instead. The reasons they gave were to Caesar for this were: <BR/>1] It keeps the memory sharp.<BR/>2] It keeps knowledge only among those who deserve it (who are wise enough for it.)Avinashnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44784346079537589512009-04-01T21:15:00.000-07:002009-04-01T21:15:00.000-07:00According to Nietzsche, climate has a whole lot to...<I>According to Nietzsche, climate has a whole lot to do with how well people thrive; he said that dry air and clear skies is a prerequisite for great activities and is found especially in those places which have produced a large number of notable people.</I><BR/><BR/>Listen carefully: the vast majority of really high IQ people are full of crap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53280761380952961072009-04-01T18:27:00.000-07:002009-04-01T18:27:00.000-07:00Desidarues wroteOne must be careful about claims m...Desidarues wrote<BR/><BR/>One must be careful about claims made about vedic maths. Vedic maths are not a product of the age of the vedas<BR/>--<BR/><BR/>Thats correct,<BR/>there is controversy about its dating<BR/><BR/>However what there is no controversy is that it works and I have seen the DVD tutorials<BR/>and it is a system of mental math<BR/>where the tutor does 4 digit x 4 digit multiplication, square roots, cube roots etc<BR/><BR/>--<BR/><BR/>Anon wrote rec1 cant be trusted<BR/><BR/>--<BR/><BR/>I usually provide web copy-paste with urls <BR/><BR/>and what I do know is <BR/>1. My personal GRE V+M = 1450<BR/>2. Niece 1 = 1470<BR/>3. Niece 2 = 1510<BR/>4. Niece 3 = 1380 SAT at age 12 and winner of John Hopkins young talent awardrec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57019286676884661822009-04-01T13:41:00.000-07:002009-04-01T13:41:00.000-07:00Hindu revivalist make a lot of fanciful claims abo...Hindu revivalist make a lot of fanciful claims about vedic maths and Hindu science.<BR/>---<BR/>We already know rec1 can't be trusted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32103558240336746782009-04-01T09:55:00.000-07:002009-04-01T09:55:00.000-07:00One must be careful about claims made about vedic ...One must be careful about claims made about vedic maths. Vedic maths are not a product of the age of the vedas. Hindu revivalist make a lot of fanciful claims about vedic maths and Hindu science.Desideriusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10740566868177496552009-04-01T07:20:00.000-07:002009-04-01T07:20:00.000-07:00Steve your article is full of ignorant generalizat...Steve your article is full of ignorant generalizations--Indians who like to memorize take part in such contests--does'nt mean that everyone likes to memorize information even if they have the aptitude for it.<BR/><BR/>Your generalizations are as if Indians were to watch Jerry Springer and conclude that most Americans are like people on that show.renukahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14845571986230295139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63565538400641111942009-04-01T07:04:00.000-07:002009-04-01T07:04:00.000-07:00"Enumerate the places in which men of great intell..."Enumerate the places in which men of great intellect have been and are still found; where wit, subtlety, and malice are a part of happiness; where genius is almost necessarily at home: all of them have an unusually dry atmosphere. Paris, Provence, Florence, Jerusalem, Athens-these names prove this: that genius is dependent on dry air, on clear skies-in other words, on rapid organic functions, on the possibility of continuously securing for one’s self great quantities of energy."<BR/><BR/>That's right--great architecture lasting thousands of years are found in mild climates such as Italy, Greece and parts of India. They are not found in extreme heat or cold--places such as Norway, where culture is relatively recent. But now man has the scientific ability to turn even a desert green.renukahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14845571986230295139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68045536160042752612009-04-01T06:47:00.000-07:002009-04-01T06:47:00.000-07:00Sorry Anonymous, but Nietzsche's wrong here, if no...Sorry Anonymous, but Nietzsche's wrong here, if not trying to take a jab at his Germans. The genius of Florence today? The genius coming out of Athens? <BR/><BR/>It's environment and the right type of people. 500 years in Asia Minor, and the Turks have done what?Also Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59563075298935990912009-04-01T05:36:00.000-07:002009-04-01T05:36:00.000-07:00"Enumerate the places in which men of great intell...<I>"Enumerate the places in which men of great intellect have been and are still found; where wit, subtlety, and malice are a part of happiness; where genius is almost necessarily at home: all of them have an unusually dry atmosphere. Paris, Provence, Florence, Jerusalem, Athens-these names prove this: that genius is dependent on dry air, on clear skies-in other words, on rapid organic functions, on the possibility of continuously securing for one’s self great quantities of energy."</I><BR/><BR/>So how does he explain England?URM Momnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59167504597591953232009-04-01T05:26:00.000-07:002009-04-01T05:26:00.000-07:00And that reason would be? Oppressive colonialism, ...And that reason would be? Oppressive colonialism, perhaps? Or the fact that much of their educational system was built by the blue-eyed devils? What? Perhaps even the fact that so many graduates move on to Western countries for jobs?<BR/><BR/>Blue eyed fool, <BR/>Simple reason they move on due to economics and jobs--just as Columbus sailed for India wanting to find the spice route and become rich.<BR/>And the traditionally, Indians referred to Europeans as "Mleccha" meaning barbairan, outsider, or untouchable--so all cultures have prejudices when they can afford to have one.renukahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14845571986230295139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36158094097303789612009-04-01T01:28:00.000-07:002009-04-01T01:28:00.000-07:00"Nothing to do with cool and hot climate"According..."Nothing to do with cool and hot climate"<BR/><BR/>According to Nietzsche, climate has a whole lot to do with how well people thrive; he said that dry air and clear skies is a prerequisite for great activities and is found especially in those places which have produced a large number of notable people. <BR/><BR/>From ECCE HOMO: "Enumerate the places in which men of great intellect have been and are still found; where wit, subtlety, and malice are a part of happiness; where genius is almost necessarily at home: all of them have an unusually dry atmosphere. Paris, Provence, Florence, Jerusalem, Athens-these names prove this: that genius is dependent on dry air, on clear skies-in other words, on rapid organic functions, on the possibility of continuously securing for one’s self great quantities of energy."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39465355766719737672009-04-01T01:05:00.000-07:002009-04-01T01:05:00.000-07:00It's definitely true that these Indians are just v...It's definitely true that these Indians are just very good memorizers, probably even genetically...<BR/><BR/>Most of these spelling bee champs and other Indian high achievers come from high-caste Hindus, which amongst the males traditionally memorized an AMAZING amount of Hindu scripture in Sanskrit because of the strong oral/chanting tradition found amongst the Hindu clergy.Emannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51999069300628644592009-03-31T21:35:00.000-07:002009-03-31T21:35:00.000-07:00From carrefoursagasse--Finally, an interesting tre...From carrefoursagasse<BR/>--<BR/>Finally, an interesting trend was revealed. The presence of exceptionally high verbal ability appeared to increase the likelihood of the presence of high mathematical ability. Only one of the verbally precocious students had an SAT-M score lower than 500 (the average score of a college-bound 12th-grade male). The reverse was not apparent: high mathematical ability did not seem to indicate concomitantly high verbal ability. Twenty-two students scoring 700 or above on the SAT-M scored below 430 on the SAT-V (the average score of a college-bound 12th-grade male). These results, which were significantly different ( p < .05), indicate that verbally precocious students may be more evenly balanced in their cognitive profiles than mathematically precocious students. . .<BR/>---<BR/><BR/>The takeaway is that brahmin memorization while directly improving verbal skills also indirectly improves math skills<BR/><BR/>Which is why Indian kids are academically balanced with good scores in both verbal and math, unlike other asian kids who do well in math but poorly in verbalrec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68510568054986398122009-03-31T20:04:00.000-07:002009-03-31T20:04:00.000-07:00And that reason would be? Oppressive colonialism, ...<I><BR/>And that reason would be? Oppressive colonialism, perhaps? Or the fact that much of their educational system was built by the blue-eyed devils? What? Perhaps even the fact that so many graduates move on to Western countries for jobs?<BR/><BR/>"We" haven't been running their countries or their schools for at least a few decades now.</I><BR/><BR/>Erm, no actually. I was thinking something like simple "admiration" might explain it.silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77791379020691245352009-03-31T19:04:00.000-07:002009-03-31T19:04:00.000-07:00rob saidUnlike other populations plausibly selecte...rob said<BR/>Unlike other populations plausibly selected strongly for intelligence, the Brahmin caste was not under much pressure to deal with reality and apply their abilities to actual problems. Like say, calculating interest rates<BR/>---<BR/><BR/>90% of Indian mathematicians are / were brahmins<BR/><BR/>The vaishyas ( merchants ) did compound interest since they were money lenders ( they have replaced the jews in the Antwerp diamond trade )<BR/><BR/>brahmin math went far beyond mere compound interest<BR/>read the wiki article on Indian mathematics<BR/><BR/>The 'arabic' numerals you use every day are hindu numerals<BR/><BR/>A lot of indian math was mental math oriented. Google up 'vedic math' to see the indian method of doing 3 digit x 3 digit multiplication in your mind<BR/><BR/>The main job function of the brahmin caste was school teacher, not priest<BR/>As such, he had to be good in math and language<BR/><BR/>Each generation of brahmins had to compete for a limited number of school teacher jobs, and only the brightest got the jobs and left descendants<BR/>So generation after generation there was evolutionary pressure to expand memory and IQ<BR/><BR/>Other brahmin jobs include<BR/>diplomat, bureacrat, minister, etc<BR/><BR/>The closest analog in the west is the now extinct Druid of the Celts<BR/><BR/>Very likely a Druid / brahmin caste existed among several Indo-european language speakers 5000 years ago<BR/><BR/>( Dru-vidya in sanskrit means immersed in wisdom )rec1manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08283145675242793064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84803896550364429832009-03-31T18:54:00.000-07:002009-03-31T18:54:00.000-07:00And that reason would be? Oppressive colonialism, ...And that reason would be? Oppressive colonialism, perhaps? Or the fact that much of their educational system was built by the blue-eyed devils? What? Perhaps even the fact that so many graduates move on to Western countries for jobs?<BR/><BR/>"We" haven't been running their countries or their schools for at least a few decades now.<BR/><BR/>There are such whiners in India--but they happen to be Commies, Christians, Muslims and deluded Hindus who think they are liberal. The rest don't care to whine and want to move forward. So take your preaching to them.renukahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14845571986230295139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42877141330880710462009-03-31T18:01:00.000-07:002009-03-31T18:01:00.000-07:00@rob--I wouldn't be surprised if many Brahmins are...@rob<BR/>--<BR/>I wouldn't be surprised if many Brahmins are autistic or schizophrenic compared to other castes.<BR/>--<BR/><BR/>It seems almost a given that someone is going to document this, sooner or later. The best group to examine this (IMO) would be the tamilian brahmins. They have lived in a reasonably stable environment for the last 1000 years and informally I am aware about the (high) incidence of people from both disease categories (and many others who are high functioning).nsamnoreply@blogger.com