tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post7625613419221439920..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Moving the goalpostsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79259012153215329922013-07-16T01:39:53.695-07:002013-07-16T01:39:53.695-07:00>murder being a crime [...] has a disparate imp...>murder being a crime [...] has a disparate impact on blacks<<br /><br />Good point.<br /><br />We need to ask Congress to abolish the law against murder. Or at least, to soften it for people of color. Honor cultures require the commission of murder with impunity sometimes, to preserve their self-esteem. We must respect every thug who comes along, and not diss him. Who are we to have a culture?Davidhttp://david-passingparade2.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85441895749667916462013-07-15T21:31:24.430-07:002013-07-15T21:31:24.430-07:00"I am shocked by the restraint shown by Ta-Ne..."I am shocked by the restraint shown by Ta-Nehisi Coates"<br /><br />He lives in Harlem - for now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63558730978165396792013-07-15T21:20:16.961-07:002013-07-15T21:20:16.961-07:00Agree with Aaron Gross. I am shocked by the restr...Agree with Aaron Gross. I am shocked by the restraint shown by Ta-Nehisi Coates, who I disagree with, but at least writes rationally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59479645731028446782013-07-15T19:37:07.237-07:002013-07-15T19:37:07.237-07:00http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-...http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3<br /><br />FBI stats on ages of murderers - muddied by white / hispanic thing of course but if you take the number in the 17-19 year old category as a proportion of the combined total of both the 17-19 and 20-24 categories as a very rough test then the 17-19 year old category for black is 40% of the total for black and 36% for whites so a slight indication of a younger black peak age.<br /><br />Not very conclusive of that point but 20-24 as the peak age generally seems quite clear.<br /><br />(Also generally adds creedence to the idea that two strikes and you're out till age 26, three strikes and you're out for good would be a lot more prison place efficient.)<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80195414887596715652013-07-15T19:04:55.695-07:002013-07-15T19:04:55.695-07:00"Anyone got a link to some statistics on this..."Anyone got a link to some statistics on this?"<br /><br />It's an interesting subject. I would expect it to follow testosterone levels more or less.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder<br /><br />"There is a sharp peak in the age distribution of murderers between the ages of 18 and 30"<br /><br />and in male murder victims at least a likely symmetry in age distribution of victim and killer<br /><br />"In the US, murder is the leading cause of death for African American males aged 15 to 34."<br /><br />I've read elsewhere but can't recall where that ethnic groups have different testosterone patterns with blacks starting sooner but dipping earlier, whites starting later but dipping later and (East) Asians more so again.<br /><br />If so each ethnic group should have their own peak murder age.<br /><br />If i had to guess i'd say blacks might be around 19 and whites around 24 ish and (East) Asians a bit older than white.<br /><br />Usual pattern. Mostly a guess though.<br /><br />Interesting subject.<br /><br />White liberals looking out for a morally-neutral way out of the black violent crime problem should look into the idea of early puberty and distinctive testosterone pattern as a cause as it possibly does have a lot to do with it.<br /><br />iSteve mentioned some time ago the idea that early developers would be the jocks and the bullies at school and looking back i think he's likely correct.<br /><br />If you develop early you're more aggressive - or simply more muscled so you can be aggressive and get way with it - bigger, stronger etc but also interested in girls sooner and therefore less interested in school.<br /><br />Interesting topic of study - and value neutral.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32912677699207388352013-07-15T18:40:04.079-07:002013-07-15T18:40:04.079-07:00Anyone got a link to some statistics on this?
Chi...<i>Anyone got a link to some statistics on this?</i><br /><br />Chicago murder stats. (It's not nationwide, and it's urban, but indicative of a general tendency)<br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/c8whyo5<br /><br />For murder offenders, notice the peak at 17-18 years of age.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81343740762664531802013-07-15T17:40:41.725-07:002013-07-15T17:40:41.725-07:00Demographically speaking, black 17 year old boys a...<i>Demographically speaking, black 17 year old boys are probably the most dangerous person in our society. All of this "He's a child" bs is strictly for the rubes.</i><br /><br />Anyone got a link to some statistics on this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82535529327423281642013-07-15T17:17:42.538-07:002013-07-15T17:17:42.538-07:00A bit off topic but Rod Dreher is taking the usual...A bit off topic but Rod Dreher is taking the usual beating for quoting you in his Zimmerman post today. I always get a kick out of this as he keeps referring to you, knowing this enrages his fan club of precious souls, inadequates, amateur theologians. <br /><br />Can this be masochism or just a cunning way of ginning up blog hits?Thomas O. Meehanhttp://www.odysseusontherocks.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41508515328287338082013-07-15T17:08:33.344-07:002013-07-15T17:08:33.344-07:00JSM wrote "Horseshit. The forensic pathologis...JSM wrote "Horseshit. The forensic pathologist stated that when the bullet traversed, TM's shirt was hanging AWAY from the front of TM's chest. That can only happen if TM is bent over frontwards." <br /><br />I agree with the general sentiment here that Martin was either the aggressor or at least very complicit in his own demise, but his hoodie could have been a few inches off his skin if he were violently tumbling, stumbling backwards. In violent action clothing can bellow or be pulled away in an number of ways. Thomas O. Meehanhttp://www.odysseusontherocks.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49377051042681525492013-07-15T17:04:35.344-07:002013-07-15T17:04:35.344-07:00They had to change the narrative because the origi...They had to change the narrative because the original script was so factually wrong but unfortunately the emotional power of the story all came at the beginning and is still running.<br /><br />Here's a picture of Trayvon Martin on the night of the killing.<br /><br />http://media2.wptv.com//photo/2013/05/22/TM711_4_20130522123142_640_480.PNG<br /><br />You can see from the size of him that self-defense is a physically plausible plea. The pictures the media use where he is much younger and smaller make a self-defense plea seem ridiculous for a man Zimmerman's size.<br /><br />That impression which the media deliberately planted in people's minds directly and negatively effected Zimmerman's chance of a fair trial.<br /><br />As well as suing CNN for doctoring the tape i hope he can sue every paper and TV station for using the baby pictures.<br /><br /><br />.<br /><br /><br />@Ichabod Crane<br /><br />You seem to like using archaic anglo names for your meme poisoning. Why is that do you think?<br /><br />@Aaron Gross<br /><br />"But it's getting old already, so I've stopped reading the race hustlers on this one (except for Steve Sailer, of course!)"<br /><br />Aren't you a race hustler?<br /><br />.<br /><br />pat<br /><br />"So the idea that big strong experienced street fighter Martin, would be afraid that this little soft and pudgy Hispanic guy might be trying to rape him, is silly beyond words."<br /><br />I don't think you fully get the whole gay-bashing thing. If you're a tough kid you don't attack them because you think they're going to rape you, you attack them because the whole idea of a man coming on to you freaks you out and you have a very restricted range when expressing displeasure.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3807009295813631422013-07-15T17:01:33.648-07:002013-07-15T17:01:33.648-07:00" I asked him if he knew that approximately 1..." I asked him if he knew that approximately 11,000 blacks have been murdered since Martin was shot. He said he had no idea."<br /><br />LOL, yeah, and roughly 100,000 whites have been murdered since Nicole Brown Simpson so I guess you are ready to forgive and forget?Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5313065844811439612013-07-15T16:59:41.588-07:002013-07-15T16:59:41.588-07:00Steve, at least some race hustlers are back tracki...Steve, at least some race hustlers are back tracking, using the verdict as a wedge against CCW laws and stand your ground laws. One on HLN actually stated that these laws actually account for a disparate number of Black "victims." That is, if Whites are allowed to defend themselves, there are bound to be a lot of dead and wounded Black criminals. I realize that this idiot didn't realize the magnitude of his statement against interest encoded in his remark. I wish I could remember exactly who made this statement. <br /><br />So this is what its all about. In order for us to achieve a truly post racial society, White citizens must be disarmed or intimidated against self defense. Thomas O. Meehanhttp://www.odysseusontherocks.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72096971136162435652013-07-15T16:31:41.360-07:002013-07-15T16:31:41.360-07:00"We don't know what happened and probably..."We don't know what happened and probably never will. It's quite possible Zimmerman was Sunday punched once, fell back to hit his head, and then pulled out a gun. Whereupon Martin started screaming (insults or 'no don't!'). And then Zimmerman shot him"<br /><br />Horseshit. The forensic pathologist stated that when the bullet traversed, TM's shirt was hanging AWAY from the front of TM's chest. That can only happen if TM is bent over frontwards. <br /><br /> Since the bullet entered the chest, not the back, or the head, etc., that means George was UNDER TM and TM was OVER him. Which means TM was either leaning forward pounding him -- or what? looking in Z's shirt pocket for skittles? LOLJSMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90964492347450088142013-07-15T16:24:59.915-07:002013-07-15T16:24:59.915-07:00I wonder how the reaction to this case might be di...I wonder how the reaction to this case might be different if Trayvon had said something like, "Yeah, some faggot-ass cracker be following me!" To which Rachel Jeantel might have responded, "He probably a rapist."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78775624882625972932013-07-15T16:18:21.982-07:002013-07-15T16:18:21.982-07:00WIS. MAN FACES TRIAL FOR SHOOTING TEENAGE NEIGHBOR...WIS. MAN FACES TRIAL FOR SHOOTING TEENAGE NEIGHBOR<br />http://bigstory.ap.org/article/wis-man-faces-trial-shooting-teen-neighborAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87764121559129736182013-07-15T16:17:35.282-07:002013-07-15T16:17:35.282-07:00http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/20056
Off-topic bu...http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/20056<br /><br />Off-topic but an interesting discussion between a philosopher and a psychologist. At 56min they discuss the implicit attitudes of people who work with minorities (often surprisingly strong). They dance around a bit before concluding at 60min that "Sometimes the socially unaccepatable view is true"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66353082914979450202013-07-15T15:39:55.567-07:002013-07-15T15:39:55.567-07:00Remember when whites poured into the streets to pr...Remember when whites poured into the streets to protest the OJ verdict?<br /><br />I don't either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16220095278640278842013-07-15T15:34:21.946-07:002013-07-15T15:34:21.946-07:00Jewish? I never heard that. If they thought he was...<i>Jewish? I never heard that. If they thought he was a Jew this would never have made it past local news.</i><br /><br />Maybe that's why Alan Dershowitz has come out in favor of this verdict and has been trashing the prosecution, especially Angela Corey. She certainly deserves the excoriation in any case.Semi-employed White Guynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33076854966544401562013-07-15T15:29:31.033-07:002013-07-15T15:29:31.033-07:00countenance said...
Likewise, murder being a c...countenance said...<br /><i> Likewise, murder being a crime at all has a disparate impact on blacks.</i><br /><br />Yes. And that was really what this trial was about: making the standards lower to convict a white, or person that can be cast as white, of murdering a black. The elite must find a way to make the white-on-black crime rates more in line with black-on-white crime rates. They have a lot of work to do!<br /><br />BTW, I wonder this arrest handled in terms of official police or FBI crime stats? Was it put on the books as white-on-black, Hispanic-on-black or mixed-race-on-black? I would suspect the first.Semi-employed White Guynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90569804249003624522013-07-15T15:06:40.228-07:002013-07-15T15:06:40.228-07:00Demographically speaking, black 17 year old boys a...Demographically speaking, black 17 year old boys are probably the most dangerous person in our society. All of this "He's a child" bs is strictly for the rubes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19974433733984289992013-07-15T15:01:30.491-07:002013-07-15T15:01:30.491-07:00The other day, I saw a rather poignant tweet. It ...The other day, I saw a rather poignant tweet. It said that the biggest threat to public safety from the Zimmerman acquittal wasn't the threat of black mob violence, it was the threat of more George Zimmermans.<br /><br />Its a good point. A mob smashes out of blind rage and anger. A single individual kills with purpose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69357354128903086932013-07-15T14:49:36.886-07:002013-07-15T14:49:36.886-07:00Anonymous said: "Forget about Zimmerman, is t...Anonymous said: "Forget about Zimmerman, is this the next GWD?<br />http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/milwaukee-man-76-stand-trial-shooting-killing-black-13-year-old-neighbor-article-1.1399107"<br /><br />Not likely. The old man is being charged with 1st degree murder which, if the facts of the case are as written, is certainly deserved. <br /><br />I live in Miami (home of St. Trayvon) and have talked to a number of blacks (very carefully) about this case, including this morning. The blacks I've talked to are either older males (50+, mostly public employees) or mixed race (e.g. half Jamaican/half white) males. Not a perfect cross-section of black America. <br /><br />They’re mostly angry that Zimmermann isn’t going to be punished. When asked “what should he be/have been charged with?” they don’t have a ready answer. One older man said “Trayvon was from the ‘hood. He hasn’t been taught how to deal with shit like that. ‘Hood people don’t think like that”. I pointed out that it is incumbent on “hood” people to learn how to behave out of the ‘hood, it isn’t non-‘hood people’s responsibility to adjust to them. I also said that if his view that Martin had no idea how to behave around “non-hood” people is correct, then Martin’s parents failed him greatly and are partially to blame for his death. If Martin continued to go through life behaving as if he was in the ‘hood, he’d have been inevitably killed or incarcerated. He just shook his head and said “it’s a tragedy”. I asked him if he knew that approximately 11,000 blacks have been murdered since Martin was shot. He said he had no idea. I asked him if that bothered him as much as Martin’s death and if not, why not? He replied “I don’t know what to think”. <br /><br />As far as I can tell, younger black males seem to genuinely believe they should be able to attack whites with impunity and not have there be consequences. Most seem to believe when pressed that Martin initiated the confrontation, however that he had every right to do so. When I told one that all Martin had to do to avoid being shot was to not violently attack a stranger he responded with a litany of the usual things Zimmerman did wrong – profiling, “dissing”, etc. I told him that his rationale was precisely why I carry a firearm most of the time: I don’t know all the black rules about how to avoid being attacked and have no interest in learning. He just looked at me quizzically. <br /><br />I suppose it’s not surprising that younger blacks expect society to confirm to their hair-trigger tempers and convoluted rationale for when violence is acceptable: they’re constantly taught about how they’ve been wronged. Also popular culture is constantly peddling a watered down version of ghetto culture (the real thing would be too appalling for suburban kids to process). Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34718941051896242722013-07-15T14:40:03.029-07:002013-07-15T14:40:03.029-07:00My proximate assumption is that in the eyes of bla...My proximate assumption is that in the eyes of black people, the circumstances here are quite simple: a young member of their tribe was killed by someone outside of the tribe, and that person is not being punished (or at least, not as much as they are convinced a member of their own tribe would be). The details (about who started it, who was in the right, etc.) are merely ornaments to this basic set of circumstances.<br /><br />Many white people have trouble grasping this because to them the "tribe" isn't a very important denominator, if one at all, while details are of extreme importance. So, they must invent these sophisticated narratives that shift and change as the dissemination of new information confounds and complicates the narrative.<br /><br />Defusing the angry black people requires not a rehashing of the details, but a rebranding of Zimmerman to show that he is certainly not a racist and that the worst offender here is the mainstream media who continue to exploit blacks for power while treating them as children. To some extent, the "alternative" conservative media (including Steve Sailer, Ann Coulter, etc.) have done this, though it would be nice if the wider scope of the conservative media followed suit.Power Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13365109338643310492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61317170191323168062013-07-15T14:25:29.827-07:002013-07-15T14:25:29.827-07:00Most often when a black is wrongly killed/injured...Most often when a black is wrongly killed/injured by whites, he was in the process of committing a crime,e.g., Rodney King . The appeal of this case is the black was actually minding his own business, at least initially.<br /><br /><br />I wonder if Zimmerman can sue the NAACP, feds, CNN, etc.? They've guaranteed he can never work again. Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15782751961721126661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30226903594858708832013-07-15T14:24:19.064-07:002013-07-15T14:24:19.064-07:00Maybe if they move 'em far enough, they'll...Maybe if they move 'em far enough, they'll score an own goal. Kind of like digging a hole to China. Sort of.<br /><br />Anyway, now that this has been pointed out to them, I'm sure they'll stop it.eahnoreply@blogger.com