tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post7666654058141156389..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Python ParentsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger99125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-90159818361127025632012-04-17T12:51:36.263-07:002012-04-17T12:51:36.263-07:00>The parents can't seem to understand this ...<b>>The parents can't seem to understand this because they have never been in such an environment. They still think of Asians and Indians as a "model minority" who were nice when they were 2% of their classmates back in the 70's.<</b><br /><br />Starting at age 30, and accelerating to terminal velocity at age 40-45, the brain of middling intelligences calcifies irretrievably. Most people's picture of the world in nearly all details remains for life the same as that obtaining in their heyday, i.e., ages 20-40.<br /><br />Partly this is on account of environment and not heredity. Older people live in a bubble surrounded by same; they are out of the immediate struggles of the youngsters. Mention these struggles, and the oldsters will call to mind and discourse upon - as if it were current, valid, and apropos - a situation or assumption from 20+ years ago. Their batting average is lower than they think.<br /><br />The Baby Boomer who, as a child, rolled his eyes at his born-1920 parents' inaccurate assumptions about tin lizzies, now is bloviating to the next generation, which is sunk in an almost-hopeless economic depression, that, e.g., the way for kiddies to get a job is to pull on a clean shirt and talk to the man in the morning about starting as a soda jerker that afternoon. "That's how I got MY first job... I didn't make much money as a soda jerker either, but managed to support a family of four by clipping coupons," etc. Mention HR, 19% unemployment, the near-universal requirement to apply exclusively through corporate websites, and so forth, and the elder literally cannot register it; it isn't his experience; therefore it isn't real. The mind's eye is fixed on hometown 1958, or 1963, or 1971.<br /><br />Bill O'Reilly recently stated that people just out of college should get jobs as NYC taxi drivers, and if they didn't do this, then they were bums. The price of a medallion, how far one has to go into debt to obtain one, how far in debt students now are already, the non-meritocratic aspects of the NYC taxi situation, all of that simply didn't occur to him - and they wouldn't make a dent even were some "pinhead" to attempt to explain them to him. Bill is 62.<br /><br />The dangerous part is that such gaffers are voting - the McCain crowd - and thereby potentially determining policy. They will, for example, vote for a candidate who would raid your pension - why? - because they equate collecting a pension (as opposed to collecting social security, of course), private or public, with being a "moocher" who is responsible for "bankrupting" the "land of opportunity" and encouraging the "stinky hippies." Visions of 1968 abound in deteriorating rods and cones.... And what of the trillions in war expenditures? Might these bear some relationship to the state of the economy, 2012? No - because images of Levittown, or of St. Reagan indulging in a photo op on a carrier in the '80s, are all that come to mind.<br /><br />I think over-40s and under-25s should not be allowed within ten miles of any voting booth... and I am 45. It's a small price to pay.<br /><br />The time when elders had valuable stores of advice is blowing away with the wind. Society is changing (collapsing) faster, and people are living longer, simultaneously. Elders can still speak to general principles of human existence...but how many Boomers are wise really? How many know more than the concretes they attended to while stoned or slammed in 1955-85? How many younger people will be any better?<br /><br />When will the folks whose go-to for understanding race is <i>To Kill A Mockingbird</i> or some Stanley Kramer movie fall off their thrones of dementia? "They are fighting the last war," the younger generals say of the older in every generation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60911001987660652152012-04-17T06:54:40.786-07:002012-04-17T06:54:40.786-07:00Don't forget that nepotism is quite literally ...Don't forget that nepotism is quite literally 'nephew-ism' and that this is highly significant. Favours for one's own offspring is virtually universal and goes without saying, but it is linear and self-limiting. When favours are systematically extended to nephews and nieces, that is when patronage grows rapidly in reach and power. This kind of system seems to be mostly alien to nuclear family-oriented northern Europeans, but to be first nature to a large proprtion of humanity. It puts us at a conpetitive disadvantage in many ways (though not all - in highly nepotistic societies, as Steve commented years ago, patronage tends to be reinforced by nephews equalling sons-in-law and grand-nephews equalling grandchildren. Too much of this behaviour has obvious consequences.Londonernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74457931523580372732012-04-16T00:56:24.969-07:002012-04-16T00:56:24.969-07:00Late to the party, but it's super simplistic t...Late to the party, but it's super simplistic to think of nepotism as how much your parents are pushing for you.<br /><br />Nepotism is just as much about how much your brother, your uncle, your grandparents and your cousing (to name a few) are pushing for you.<br /><br />Parental investment may well be lower while relative investment is higher - HBD chick thinks this depends on the relatedness structure (Personally I doubt it, but there you go.).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57293863567527164902012-04-15T23:09:43.268-07:002012-04-15T23:09:43.268-07:00I am guessing you don't even know what those w...I am guessing you don't even know what those words mean, yet you exclaim as if you have made some killer rebuttal!<br /><br />You are proving the validity of Duke of Qin's point."<br /><br />What is it with India that many of its bashers and defenders are unable to read?<br /><br />Dukes very statement implies his sophistry while he demonstrates little ability in proving his thesis.<br /><br />The greatest writers use simple and clear language to express their views ,according to your logic they are nitwits because they refrain from communicating in graduate schoolese!Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57351426645775137282012-04-15T23:06:01.014-07:002012-04-15T23:06:01.014-07:00They are considered rather aristocratic and effete...They are considered rather aristocratic and effete by the lower castes and indeed so even by many whites!<br />-<br />I think that has a lot to do with sports. There seem to literally not be athletic Indians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74995920101662049072012-04-15T17:34:34.964-07:002012-04-15T17:34:34.964-07:00"I saw this many times first hand at various ...<i>"I saw this many times first hand at various very large American tech companies starting in the '90s. As soon as an Indian became manager of a group, every new hire would be H1-B Indian and life was made increasingly uncomfortable for the whites who were pushed out of the group using any available means. In short order, the group was 90%+ Indian, with maybe a token Chinese guy or a Russian that wasn't so easily intimidated as a white American. ..."</i><br /><br /><br /><i>"Has anyone documented this phenomenon?</i>"<br /><br /><br />I have also seen this many times in silicon valley engineering groups. (I've been in silicon valley since the early days.) Very true that there have been waves of managers that hire their co-ethnics, lately Chinese and Indian. Today this effect is integrated with chain migration. This also seems to be occurring is universities across the land.<br /><br />I am sure this is <b>not</b> due to intrinsic attributes of any given population. Pretty much, world-wide, mediocre engineers are all about the same. And one of silicon valley's dark secrets is that many of the engineers are often pretty mediocre. It's often more important to be in the right place at the right time then the smartest guy on the planet. <br /><br />Don't tell the professional ethnic boosters, but two big reasons for this likely are:<br /><br />(1) Economic. Start-up IPO evaluation formulas include the number of engineers (they don't include anything about quality, a no-name school in India counts as much as MIT). Each engineer is worth about $1 million to the IPO. (If you outsource your engineering and can afford 8 Indian engineers for the price of one US engineer, well, that's another $7 million you can "print", completely legally, with the help of an IPO-friendly investment bank. You'd think is was some sort of CDO!)<br /><br />(2) Legal/AA. I think big companies doing business in the US met their EEOC and affirmative action goals without effecting their own management by hiring non-US non-whites for engineering positions. Silicon valley is famous for not having many blacks or mexicans in the ranks. Hiring yeoman non-white foreign engineers allows them to be legal with respect to diversity quotas, but not negatively effect the bottom line too much (engineers mostly talk with each other, so you don't have to diminish the brand that much). So it's not giant brains causing entire departments to become ethnic, as much as the booster might imply, but good old-fashioned affirmative action and non-white skins.<br /><br />Affirmative action does get ridiculous. It's probably time to talk about ending it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56924911650103035012012-04-15T16:55:54.664-07:002012-04-15T16:55:54.664-07:00""The Revolutionary army was 'career...<i>""The Revolutionary army was 'careers open to talent' and was awfully good. ..."</i><br /><br /><i>"I'm not sure this was the reason for French succeess. The real strength was less 'careers open to talent' as 'pass out guns to lots and lots of soldiers'. Most of those soldiers weren't very good but when 100,000s of French soldiers fought 10,000s..."</i><br /><br /><br />Said another way, Napoleon's big revolution in military affairs was implementation of the national draft and the large draftee armies it produced. No more armies of aristocrats and their retinues they could personally fund.<br /><br />Other contributing factors included Napoleon's understanding of logistics (like sponsoring the contest to invent "canned" food) and establishing the first continental-wide "real-time" communication system, based on the optical telegraph.<br /><br />Of HBD interest, it's also worth recalling that Napoleon's first lack-of-success started in 1809, with "the Spanish ulcer", as guerrillas (the word comes from this conflict), probably mostly in Basque-heavy Navarre, tied down over a quarter million men who could not then fight elsewhere (against Wellington, for instance). The French never defeated the guerrillas. The Basques were apparently fighting for whatever it is the Basques always fight for, a great mystery I suppose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28150002550213033492012-04-15T16:25:16.098-07:002012-04-15T16:25:16.098-07:00"... They form ethnic networks in various ins...<i>"... They form ethnic networks in various institutions and industries to discriminate against non-Jews. ..."</i><br /><br /><i>"Please return my copy of Protocols when you are done.Thanks"</i><br /><br />Not being familiar with the Protocols, can you please explain why his statement that you are impugning is wrong is incorrect? It would not be the first time that people "did well while doing good" and could not see the ugly side of it themselves...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3275850570845834972012-04-15T14:35:31.292-07:002012-04-15T14:35:31.292-07:00The innumeracy of Indian-American is actually a go...<i>The innumeracy of Indian-American is actually a good demonstration of why the average Indian-Indian is none too bright.<br /><br /></i><br /><br />Bright enough to take your IT job and point nuclear weapons at Beijing. <br /><br /><i><br /><br /> The rhetorical weaseling, "it might even compare", "probably even more", and "I'd say that" is symptomatic of dysfunctional socio-religious paradigm that selected for sophistry over ability.</i><br /><br />You're just too funny.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59191432425495400402012-04-15T13:32:22.900-07:002012-04-15T13:32:22.900-07:00"Sophistry over ability?Thus claimed a person..."Sophistry over ability?Thus claimed a person who uses terms like socio-religious paradigm!"<br /><br />And how else would you define the hindu caste system?<br /><br />I am guessing you don't even know what those words mean, yet you exclaim as if you have made some killer rebuttal!<br /><br />You are proving the validity of Duke of Qin's point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77889637578471543852012-04-15T06:50:35.880-07:002012-04-15T06:50:35.880-07:00the cunningist, wilest pedators of the field who h...the cunningist, wilest pedators of the field who have made many, many lifetimes study of a thousand and one ways to rip-off wily mugs in the malthusian death struggles that their homelands are."<br /><br />Eh? I cant speak for Chinese immigrants(my impression is a good number of them are rather docile) but Indian middle and upper castes(those who usually immigrate to U.S) can hardly be classifed as the "wiliest predators".They are considered rather aristocratic and effete by the lower castes and indeed so even by many whites!<br />What people outside India dont realize that the rich,middle classes inhabit completely different worlds even if they intersect far more frequently than in U.S if only because poverty in India is so much more prevalent<br /><br />If you speak of power jockeying and toadying then yes ,then Indians are notorious for that but malthusian death struggles??!!!<br />Thanks for making me feel tougher than I actually am!Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56268863050663898272012-04-15T02:56:45.044-07:002012-04-15T02:56:45.044-07:00Note the number of children.
The innumeracy of In...Note the number of children.<br /><br />The innumeracy of Indian-American is actually a good demonstration of why the average Indian-Indian is none too bright. The rhetorical weaseling, "it might even compare", "probably even more", and "I'd say that" is symptomatic of dysfunctional socio-religious paradigm that selected for sophistry over ability."<br /><br />Sophistry over ability?Thus claimed a person who uses terms like socio-religious paradigm!<br /><br />As for noting the number of children, one would do well to begin in China where an estimated 100 million girls are "missing"<br /><br />Save some of that "high IQ" for the rest of us.<br />Oh wait..dont!Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56781117123405480072012-04-15T02:47:54.125-07:002012-04-15T02:47:54.125-07:00Nonsense. Jews are not represented 10-40 times the...Nonsense. Jews are not represented 10-40 times their share of the population as elite media executives, journalists, pundits, lawyers, judges, bankers etc. solely on ability. They form ethnic networks in various institutions and industries to discriminate against non-Jews. All of this is backed up by a larger network that crosses institutional boundaries and can bring pressure from all angles at any uppity white people who object to being demoted to second class status, as well as a phalanx of Jewish organizations that are lavishly funded."<br /><br />Please return my copy of Protocols when you are done.ThanksDr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58107825924739176272012-04-15T02:46:14.303-07:002012-04-15T02:46:14.303-07:00For all this talk about Indian it guys.
Way overr...For all this talk about Indian it guys.<br /><br />Way overrated."<br /><br />Most likely yes, this was hyped by the SV overlords for purposes of cheap labor.<br /><br /> I was in the it/dot.com trenches in name companies in the 90's, got the creme de la creme of the indians."<br /><br />Which universities did they come from?<br /><br />"Generally nice guys, but on the average, really didn't live up to the hype. Kinda sneaky, but always a lot of fun socially, I guess it is that beta male thing."<br /><br />Eh?I though alphas would be more fun but whatever...<br /><br /><br />"They are not like jews in that I've never met an indian that I had the slightest suspicion might be smarter than me, but I've met more than a few jews that make me rub my chin a little and consider the possibility."<br /><br /><br />Ever consider the possibility that you have an inflated opinion of yourself?Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74302957469654772242012-04-15T02:41:52.560-07:002012-04-15T02:41:52.560-07:00I'm not exactly sure what your point is - goog...I'm not exactly sure what your point is - googling "hinduism caste system" yields more than 1.8 million hits, and quickly leads you to History of the Indian caste system, which has a subtopic called Hindu scriptures."<br /><br />Yes ,how can anything like google searches or wikepedia be wrong about Hinduism?!<br /><br />I could explain varna,jati.tantra.mantra amd yantra to you or how the recent (yes 1500 years is recent to Indians) caste stratification was a response to the Hunnish infiltration and Muslim invasions.<br />But Im not sure it will do any good.<br /><br />Neither will explaining how even in the Greek and Roman religions certain families were allowed to be priests ,oracles or vestal virgins.<br />Same goes for Judaism and its priests(Aaron/Levi) and kings(David/Judah)<br /><br />Christianity used the story of Noah and his sons to subjugate an entire continent.<br /><br />As for Islam-hey best of luck marrying an Arab woman if you are not Arab is all I will say.<br /><br /><br />In any case the brahmins were a hereditary priestly caste whose job was to conduct sacrifices or yajnas to the gods. These sacrifices originally included humans and horses. Nothing at all spititual about that."<br /><br />Is it less spiritual than worshipping an idol of a corpse nailed to a two by four and venerating and viewing putrefied remains of saints on church grounds.<br />How about the quaint custom of symbolic sacrifice which entails eating the Messiahs flesh and drinking his blood?<br />Or rather than worshipping an idol ,worshipping fanning and dressing a book?<br /><br /><br />Re Sikhs,Gurkhas ,Rajputs<br />Taken together these groups constitute a very tiny percentage of Indians"<br /><br />Yes thank god!If they were of any greater number India would remain beholden to the British to this very day.<br />You do realize the connection between those declared "martial race" and the "loyal" enablers and the glorified security guards of the British empire dont you?<br /><br />Gurkhas are descendents of Huns defeated by guptas who sought to save their hide in Nepal.<br />Rajputs are overrated losers ,agreed.<br />As for the mighty Jats, well I have a question ,what exactly were they doing lying dormant in U.P and Punjab until the rise of Guru Gobind Singh?<br />Jats traditionally claim Yadav ancestry but if you want these timid peasant lot who like Rajputs willingly supplied women to Mughal harems as a non Hindu "West Asian",why should I stop you!Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89839812403425065842012-04-14T19:52:06.536-07:002012-04-14T19:52:06.536-07:00"Ancient India was and to an extent even now ..."Ancient India was and to an extent even now life was totally Spiritual, we shunned Materialism, A True Brahmins life was one worth being revered."<br /><br />Brahminism is not true spirituality. The idea that spirituality is something inherited is absurd. The hindu caste system is fundamentally bogus. The character of the stereotypical brahmin is far from deserving of reverence.<br /><br />In any case the brahmins were a hereditary priestly caste whose job was to conduct sacrifices or yajnas to the gods. These sacrifices originally included humans and horses. Nothing at all spititual about that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81241636465720739792012-04-14T19:46:16.424-07:002012-04-14T19:46:16.424-07:00"Sikhs, gurkas and some of the Rajput"
..."Sikhs, gurkas and some of the Rajput"<br /><br />1. The Gurkhas of Nepal are not Indian by race.<br /><br />2. The Rajputs couldn't stop India from being conquered over and over, and acted as traitors after being defeated.<br /><br />3. The Sikhs are not Hindus. Most sikhs belong to the jatt peasant caste which is the indian ethnicity with the highest west asian genetic component.<br /><br />Taken together these groups constitute a very tiny percentage of Indians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58525398739862439852012-04-14T17:49:56.409-07:002012-04-14T17:49:56.409-07:00More proof that HBDers dont understand religion an...<i>More proof that HBDers dont understand religion and never will-to their eternal disadvantage.</i> <br /><br />I'm not exactly sure what your point is - googling <a href="http://www.google.com/search?safe=off&q=hinduism+caste+system" rel="nofollow"><b>"hinduism caste system"</b></a> yields more than 1.8 million hits, and quickly leads you to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Indian_caste_system" rel="nofollow"><b>History of the Indian caste system</b></a>, which has a subtopic called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Indian_caste_system#Hindu_scriptures" rel="nofollow"><b>Hindu scriptures</b></a>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16667854518277729112012-04-14T07:41:48.139-07:002012-04-14T07:41:48.139-07:00These people took the notion of "partially in...These people took the notion of "partially inbred extended family" and turned it into not just a science but a RELIGION!!!"<br /><br />More proof that HBDers dont understand religion and never will-to their eternal disadvantage.Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74085141994605333592012-04-14T02:20:59.417-07:002012-04-14T02:20:59.417-07:00" The economy is not a zero-sum game, and Ind..." The economy is not a zero-sum game, and Indians prospering in the U.S. does not mean others are becoming poorer....."<br /><br />It actually is quite often a zero sum game. There are a fixed amount of medical school spots the amount of which hasn't increased since 1975. For every one taken by an immigrant a native loses one. Same thing for BigLaw and IB jobs to a certain extent.<br /><br />IT is just about the only place that you can make the case that high skill immigration benefits natives. If you write a cool iphone app that doesn't preclude me from writing one myself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26028074886008248232012-04-14T01:38:39.527-07:002012-04-14T01:38:39.527-07:00"For examples, Racism against Blacks [Policie..."For examples, Racism against Blacks [Policies to correct that; and its subsequent corruption of protective measures of Blacks], Women's Lib etc."<br /><br />Well, they are finding problems because they went from "my grandpa kicked your grandpa's ass, and I shall continue his legacy" to "my grandpa kicked your grandpa's ass, I am so soooorrryy! Here, take this free stuff.""<br /><br />And went from taking pride in the subordination of wives to being proud of the fact that now <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20041205044536/www.mugu.com/cgi-bin/Upstream/amneus-war" rel="nofollow"> their wives are free to shack up with the pool boys</a><br /><br />"Our women are more free than yours, bigots, and excuse the republicans"<br /><br />Kind of a competition in masochism, to see who can enjoy a bleeding nose more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74039707458932678832012-04-13T20:44:26.504-07:002012-04-13T20:44:26.504-07:00"Anonymous said...
India and Pakistan ar..."Anonymous said...<br /><br /> India and Pakistan are extremely tribal and nepotistic. "More than almost anyone. In a large public university, a department that is housed in the same building as mine has >90% of its professors coming from these two countries!"<br /><br />This is becoming much more common. I'm familiar with a similar situation, in this case an engineering department at a lower-ranked state university. They're not that good, either.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87964076820605887032012-04-13T20:40:18.464-07:002012-04-13T20:40:18.464-07:00"el supremo said...
@Steve Sailer Re: the Br..."el supremo said...<br /><br />@Steve Sailer Re: the British Army & nepotism<br /><br />Exactly. The main British Army was not very good during the victorian era, and was not expected to do very much. Nepotism didn't get in the way of their core missions of looking good in dress uniforms, overawing the lower classes, and occasionally going on a retialiatory raid against some backward country.<br /><br />The Indian Army (organized under the British East India Company) was a highly meritocratic organization, with traiing schools, testing, and a large bueaucracy. When you entrust a small minority of people with running the empire's most lucrative posession and fighting tenacoius oponents on their own turf, nepotism is a luxury you can't afford."<br /><br />What you say is indeed true of the regency era and early Victorian eras, but was not true of the mid and later Victorian era, when the British army produced, by most people's reckoning, many very good generals. Most of them gained their experience in India, and were even derisively called "Indians" by the titled fops who commanded the British army. The disastrous Crimean campaign finally convinced the British government that they could not place their armies under the command of aristocratic peacocks, and they began to more widely promote from the middle classes.<br /><br />If one wants a detailed historical look at the Victorian world and the British army in particular, and just wants a stunnigly funny and entertaining good read, one can do no better than reading the novels of George MacDonald Fraser:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_MacDonald_FraserMr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56247440597635042312012-04-13T20:29:45.564-07:002012-04-13T20:29:45.564-07:00If regularly getting conquered and humiliated by a...<i>If regularly getting conquered and humiliated by alpha males such as afghans, arabs, turks, europeans etc is a "good thing" then of course Indians are a very fortunate race indeed.</i><br />Sikhs, gurkas and some of the Rajput and even regular sepoys fought with distinction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23568143339101353962012-04-13T19:58:33.817-07:002012-04-13T19:58:33.817-07:00"Anonymous said...
@indian guy - would you w..."Anonymous said...<br /><br />@indian guy - would you want to go to bombay and see everyone chinese?<br />Indians in small numbers were ok - large numbers they start to act like any other ethnic group - carrying out ethnic agendas that are in conflict with our, demanding set asides, and imposing their culture mores and lowering civic trust."<br /><br />Well said.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.com