tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post7691992159740375585..comments2024-03-19T02:31:02.140-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Cousin Marriage v. DemocracyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83040841031648599672013-05-16T03:28:52.169-07:002013-05-16T03:28:52.169-07:00Wow, comments still open!
No one seemed to mention...Wow, comments still open!<br />No one seemed to mention Jewish itchiness over free speech. They are originally from the middle east, they do have a history of consanguinity. No free speech certainly seems at odds with Democracy. Paul Gottfried wrote a five pager on Jewish allergic reactions to Free speech.<br /><br />http://www.vdare.com/articles/a-jewish-conservative-wonders-is-free-speech-really-a-jewish-tradition<br /><br />Gottfired, who is a member in bad standing of The Perfect Tribe, discusses, at length, their historic aversion to Free Speech, once it is Their Speech that is being contradicted and not the oppressive Wasps.<br />They brought Mario Savio out of the barrio in 1965, he led the Free Speech movement at Berkeley and then they shushed him and everyone else who would go against their tribal precepts.Conatushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12543138570489872681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26656334420399026082009-05-22T06:52:20.672-07:002009-05-22T06:52:20.672-07:00""And try not to hate, they've been doing western ...""And try not to hate, they've been doing western civilization great favors for about 1000 years now and they don't get much thanks for it."<br />"<br /><br />Well, the Jews have been around a while longer than 1000 years, but that is perhaps when western Jews started developing higher than average intelligence. A few centuries later they tended to work in more intellectual and skilled fields, which has allowed them greater contribution to some of the founding ideas of modern secular society like capitalism. <br /><br />Other than that, they did give the west Jesus, which I suppose has been a boon. Unfortunately (for us), the Jews were less tasteful in their theological gift to the Middle East.FeministXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01635838586833298292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37284967519542293782009-05-21T22:45:46.237-07:002009-05-21T22:45:46.237-07:00"The last thing this country needs is for the smar..."The last thing this country needs is for the smart Indians to lead the Mestizo Catholics in a century of Libertarian agitation the way the Jews led the White Catholics in a century of socialist agitation."<br /><br />-<br /><br />"Indians are not paranoid about society turning against us and killing us all, so we remain unmotivated to lead a social revolution of any kind."<br /><br />Yeah, I would have to agree it would be kinda ridiculous (and pathetic) for an 'Apu' to be a Hindu-hippie Abbie Hoffman. <br /><br />So definately no need for concern there, Ronduck. <br /><br />*<br /><br />"And try not to hate, they've been doing western civilization great favors for about 1000 years now and they don't get much thanks for it."<br /><br />A thousand years?????<br /><br />I think it best you stick to the topic you know best - misandry, and leave the politics alone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22459777616949369182009-05-20T19:15:24.543-07:002009-05-20T19:15:24.543-07:00"The last thing this country needs is for the smar..."The last thing this country needs is for the smart Indians to lead the Mestizo Catholics in a century of Libertarian agitation the way the Jews led the White Catholics in a century of socialist agitation. <br />"<br /><br />This is a rather bizarre proposal. There is no special alliance growing between meztizos and Indians. You are really forgetting a major historical factor in the rise of Jewish sociopolitical dominance- the holocaust. Indians are not paranoid about society turning against us and killing us all, so we remain unmotivated to lead a social revolution of any kind. <br />We are happy to make bank as doctors and software professionals. Direct your fears of strange social revolutions back to those who still dominate political think tanks, journalism, the publishing world, the media and the humanities- the jews. <br /><br />And try not to hate, they've been doing western civilization great favors for about 1000 years now and they don't get much thanks for it.Deleted https://www.blogger.com/profile/04940731555820938750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38261502308006054292009-05-20T08:36:27.575-07:002009-05-20T08:36:27.575-07:00Yes, FeministX I know what I wrote. Both Communism...Yes, FeministX I know what I wrote. Both Communism and Libertarianism are post national, economically deterministic philosophies that can ruin a nation if implemented in full. The Libertarian party of the US has approved of the passage of NAFTA, has condemned most efforts to stop illegal immigration, and often has a minority (majority?) that believes that borders should be a thing of the past. <br /><br />The last thing this country needs is for the smart Indians to lead the Mestizo Catholics in a century of Libertarian agitation the way the Jews led the White Catholics in a century of socialist agitation. <br /><br />At this stage in American history our biggest challenge is to stop the constant influx of other groups that either want to leech off the state or want to maintain open borders even if it is suicidal. And right now libertarians are opposed to efforts to control the southern border or immigration in general, so essentially they want to destroy America just like the communists wanted to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86218562669780109472009-05-19T21:05:08.147-07:002009-05-19T21:05:08.147-07:00"Libertarianism seems to be the communism of the 2..."Libertarianism seems to be the communism of the 21st century."<br /><br />ROFL. Best quote I have seen this year. <br /><br />Do you realize what you just said? <br /><br />"Lucius, her lack of connection to the US and her feminism go hand in hand, she is a libertarian."<br /><br />No, she's mainly a Marxist. It's still the communism of the 21st century.Deleted https://www.blogger.com/profile/04940731555820938750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87064494386529627822009-05-19T19:30:10.945-07:002009-05-19T19:30:10.945-07:00Who can put it better than Kipling, who had intere...Who can put it better than Kipling, who had interestingly enough lived in India and, well, no doubt wrote about his experience:<br /><br />-The Stranger Within My Gate-<br /><br />The Stranger within my gate, He may be true or kind, <br /><br />But he does not talk my talk -- I cannot feel his mind. <br /><br />I see the face and the eyes and the mouth, <br /><br />But not the soul behind.<br /><br />The men of my own stock, They may do ill or well, <br /><br />But they tell the lies I am wonted to, They are used to the lies I tell;<br /><br />And we do not need interpreters When we go to buy or sell.<br /><br />There is more (and the rest of the poem) here:<br />http://www.rescuewithoutborders.org/id78.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61619434391617463972009-05-19T19:13:49.117-07:002009-05-19T19:13:49.117-07:00"They like to study abroad and hold Europe as an i..."They like to study abroad and hold Europe as an ideal and many would be happy to move to hong kong if the US economy imploded for the long term. <br /><br />"I'm not much of a believer in nationalism. I go where it is best for me to me. I am attached to the US out of habit..."<br /><br /><br />Ah yes, Pat Buchanan is soooooooo right!!!!!<br /><br />Are ya'll finally getting it, you -<br /><br />..."I'm against illegal immigration but-I-am-not-a-racist-since-I-like-asian-girls Beta dorks...<br /><br />...that this is what most foreigners, even those 'wonderful' asians, REALLY think of US.<br /><br /><br />Don't worry, she'll be soon given her chance to find another home! (Don't know about hong kong or other E.Asian countries though, since they are VERY selective on who they let in, and have enough self-respect to not treat their countries like a flop-house!)<br /><br />Maybe Mexico, perhaps?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34135570170034846772009-05-19T11:30:00.000-07:002009-05-19T11:30:00.000-07:00Lucius, her lack of connection to the US and her f...Lucius, her lack of connection to the US and her feminism go hand in hand, she is a <I>libertarian</I>.<br /><br />Libertarianism seems to be the communism of the 21st century.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89923033365686453072009-05-19T10:40:00.000-07:002009-05-19T10:40:00.000-07:00"It doesn't sound like you've made a very strong e..."It doesn't sound like you've made a very strong emotional commitment in the idea of the USA.<br /><br />I seem to recall that your people were from the Indian subcontinent - is that true?<br /><br />And when did they arrive here? [Or did you come all alone?]"<br /><br />They came when I was young. I don't have a real commitment to the USA, but that's not because I am an immigrant. I don't really have a commitment to India either. It's common for the educated liberal class to detatch themselves from American identity. They like to study abroad and hold Europe as an ideal and many would be happy to move to hong kong if the US economy imploded for the long term. <br /><br />I'm not much of a believer in nationalism. I go where it is best for me to me. I am attached to the US out of habit. I'm not a good traveller. I prefer it here.Deleted https://www.blogger.com/profile/04940731555820938750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64623517134650991242009-05-18T18:37:00.000-07:002009-05-18T18:37:00.000-07:00FeministX: The nation protects individual freedom,...<B>FeministX:</B> <I>The nation protects individual freedom, and loyalty to the nation is owed in so far as the nation is the best source of this protection.</I> <br /><br />It doesn't sound like you've made a very strong emotional commitment in the idea of the USA.<br /><br />I seem to recall that your people were from the Indian subcontinent - is that true?<br /><br />And when did they arrive here? [Or did you come all alone?]Lucius Vorenusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76262704131526273002009-05-18T13:07:00.000-07:002009-05-18T13:07:00.000-07:00"FeministX is confused. Cousin marriage makes the ..."FeministX is confused. Cousin marriage makes the clan the chief locus of loyalty; non-consanguinous marriage makes the nation the locus of loyalty (not the individual!)."<br /><br />There isn't a connection. The lack of cousin marriage makes it difficult for the extended family to be a primary unit of society, but it does imply that any other particular thing replaces the clan. <br /><br />Nazi Germany put the nation above all and cousin marriage was not common there. In the US, you have the entire SWPL class that does not feel strong connection to American nationality. <br /><br />Patriotic sentiments and lack of cousin marriage have no definite connection. And as far as democracy is concerned, the individual is charged with self governance and it is assumed that voting power will allow individuals to keep the government as non intrusive as possible. The governments purpose is supposed to be only to tax as neccessary and send for collective defense- only because an individual cannot personally opt not to be attacked if the nation is attacked as a whole. <br /><br />So, in an ideal democratic world, the nation does not replace the focus of loyalty. The nation protects individual freedom, and loyalty to the nation is owed in so far as the nation is the best source of this protection.Deleted https://www.blogger.com/profile/04940731555820938750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60179761264779812012009-05-18T12:52:00.000-07:002009-05-18T12:52:00.000-07:00"Don't count out George P. Bush, Jeb's son."
Repu..."Don't count out George P. Bush, Jeb's son."<br /><br />Republicans are more likely to shoot themselves in the head than nominate another Bush to the presidency. One could never have imagined that America would be cursed with a President worse than Jimmy Carter until George W. came along.Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79467261961445660422009-05-16T21:37:00.001-07:002009-05-16T21:37:00.001-07:00George Washington married his first cousin, Elizab...<I>George Washington married his first cousin, Elizabeth Cottle</I>.<br /><br />No, GW married Martha Dandridge Custis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44322195081917811212009-05-16T16:10:00.000-07:002009-05-16T16:10:00.000-07:00High rates of cousin marriage are only likely with...<I>High rates of cousin marriage are only likely with large scale coercion.</I> <br /><br />No, when reading the "Arabian Nights," one sees that this was definitely considered the most natural, innate goal of life that one could aim for. At the end of many stories, after the hero has suffered through shipwrecks, etc., when a western fairy tale would say, "And they lived happily ever after," the Arabian tale says, "And the two brothers each had a boy and a girl, and the one brother's son married the other's daughter and the other's son married his daughter." This was considered the pinnacle of human happiness. There was no coercion required.Maximiliannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28919493331733303212009-05-16T15:49:00.000-07:002009-05-16T15:49:00.000-07:00-- "On cousin marriage, despite social taboo, peop...-- "On cousin marriage, despite social taboo, people still choose to marry cousins. My brother married my cousin. Our family was horrified and they were black sheep for years." --<br /><br />The only famous person I know of in modern times who married a close cousin was Rudy Giuliani, who "discovered" that his first wife, to whom he was married for 14 years, was his 2nd rather than 3rd cousin. They had no children.<br /><br />There was a study some time ago that showed 3rd cousin marriages are the evolutionary "sweet spot." Steve already blogged about that <A HREF="http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/02/darwinian-sweet-spot-3rd-cousin.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>. I think there is at least a cultural, if not a biological, truth to that. Having some sentimental connection to your spouse can't hurt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22345036115147061042009-05-16T15:08:00.000-07:002009-05-16T15:08:00.000-07:00FeministX is confused. Cousin marriage makes the c...FeministX is confused. Cousin marriage makes the clan the chief locus of loyalty; non-consanguinous marriage makes the nation the locus of loyalty (not the individual!).Dutch Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687679491743923216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2199216132965849882009-05-16T14:27:00.000-07:002009-05-16T14:27:00.000-07:00Cousin marriage used to be common in America among...<I>Cousin marriage used to be common in America among European descendents but today only 0.001 to 0.002 percent of Americans marry their cousins</I>.<br /><br /><br />Cousin marriage used to be common <I>everywhere</I>, even among the elite. <A HREF="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Rothschild_family_tree.png" REL="nofollow">Rothschilds</A> used to marry cousins, and occasionally even their nieces, with little apparent cost in biological fitness (which is one of the reasons I have doubts about Henry Harpending's hypothosis.Captain Jack Aubreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50519983987224894052009-05-16T11:39:00.000-07:002009-05-16T11:39:00.000-07:00Don't count out George P. Bush, Jeb's son. I did a...<I>Don't count out George P. Bush, Jeb's son. I did a little reading up on his bride, and, I must say, she sounds formidable. If anybody can pilot that lunk to the White House, she'd be the one</I>.<br /><br /><br />That sounds interesting, and if you have a specific link I'd like to read it. But is there really any national (or even local) political ticket for a guuy named George Bush? Not on the Republican ticket, and not on the Democratic one. George P's very ethnicity will remind Republicans of one of the reasons Republicans got so upset with him, and Democrats won't even consider him.<br /><br />Maybe she's the one with political ambitions.Captain Jack Aubreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56029740403646084662009-05-16T10:14:00.000-07:002009-05-16T10:14:00.000-07:00Cousin marriage used to be common in America among...Cousin marriage used to be common in America among European descendents but today only 0.001 to 0.002 percent of Americans marry their cousins. <br /><br />I had some fun for the last half-hour googling presidents sequentially (only as far as Banjamin Harrison). Here’s the info, if you’re interested:<br /><br />George Washington married his first cousin, Elizabeth Cottle.<br /><br />John Adams married his third cousin, Abagail. John Adams II, who was the grandson of John Adams and the son of John Quincy Adams, married his first cousin in the White House on Feb. 25, 1828. Mary Louisa Adams was born at the White House. In 1853 she married one of her cousins, who was descended from President John Adams. <br /><br />Thomas Jefferson married his third cousin, Martha Wayles Skelton.<br /><br />One of James Monroe’s children married her second cousin.<br /><br />Van Buren married Hannah Hoes, a cousin.<br /><br />One of William Henry Harrison’s children, Anna Tuthill, married a cousin, William Henry Harrison Taylor, named for her father.<br /><br />Abraham Lincoln married his stepmother’s cousin, Mary Todd.<br /><br />President Benjamin Harrison had a parent who was the child of a cousin marriageKristen Burroughshttp://politicalhermeneutics.typepad.com/weblog/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31603126710177453102009-05-16T07:36:00.000-07:002009-05-16T07:36:00.000-07:00" the Obama Administration has made clear that it'..." the Obama Administration has made clear that it's going to prop up excessive leftist spending through the "temporary" downturn."<br /><br />Cap'n Jack,<br /><br />The excessive welfare spending caused the "temporary downturn" because the subsidy of low interest rates and subprime mortgages left taxpayers to pay not only for the direct hand to mouth welfare but also the enormous debts of the incompetent and foolish. <br /><br />Mostly people don't mind the small amount of welfare that goes to the severely impaired, but at this point in history, we are just rewarding laziness and stupidity.<br /><br />On cousin marriage, despite social taboo, people still choose to marry cousins. My brother married my cousin. Our family was horrified and they were black sheep for years. I rarely see them now because it gives me the creeps. I don't tell anyone I know about it. To my knowledge, they have not told their kids or friends either. It just is not talked about. Einstein married his cousin, as did many other people you have heard of, so it still happens even though it isn't legal in all states.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4898164384730936322009-05-16T01:49:00.000-07:002009-05-16T01:49:00.000-07:00Don't count out George P. Bush, Jeb's son. I did a...Don't count out George P. Bush, Jeb's son. I did a little reading up on his bride, and, I must say, she sounds formidable. If anybody can pilot that lunk to the White House, she'd be the one.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69404417760910523712009-05-16T01:09:00.000-07:002009-05-16T01:09:00.000-07:00The shrinking non-tribal population will be "stuck...<I>The shrinking non-tribal population will be "stuck" with other sectors and will perhaps become more tribal in attitude as a defensive reaction</I>.<br /><br /><br />Tribalism is the default behavior in nearly all human beings, it has to be <I>unlearned</I>. It will be very easy for tribalism to make a comeback. Whites will probably be more catholic about it than our Muslim peers - i.e., all whites will be invited. That will be to our advantage.<br /><br /><br /><I>Plus, the Bushes and Kennedys have done pretty well over here</I>...<br /><br /><br />Neither is a clan in the traditional sense. The Kennedy clan is a one (or at best 2) generation flash-in-the-pan. It's longevity is based on 3 brothers belonging, naturally, to a single generation. If Teddy had been from a less forgiving state than Massachusetts, we would've been rid of him 40 years ago, and the Kennedy's would've been more or less finished in a single decade.<br /><br />There is no 2nd generationer coming along to replace Teddy (his son is a forgettable congressman), and the family fortune is all but gone.<br /><br />The Bush Family is finished as well, thanks to W.<br /><br />Neither family is endogamous and neither has made a habit of marrying members of other rich/powerful families. The Bush sons actually made a habit of marrying rather average women.Captain Jack Aubreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10998198915259259672009-05-15T22:47:00.000-07:002009-05-15T22:47:00.000-07:00There is a big distinction between being _allowed_...There is a big distinction between being _allowed_ to marry a cousin, and been _coerced_ into marrying a cousin. <br /><br />High rates of cousin marriage are only likely with large scale coercion.Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70327536882830802762009-05-15T20:54:00.000-07:002009-05-15T20:54:00.000-07:00"cousin marriage is detrimental to democracy becau..."cousin marriage is detrimental to democracy because it is premised on the idea that the clan or family is the primary unit of society rather than the individual."<br /><br />Such a "democracy" - based upon the immediate whims and fancies of millions of self-focused individuals - most closely resembles the gulag. A gulag appointed with abundant shopping and carnal diversions. But a gulag nonetheless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com