tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post7915857871866738931..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Highest paid orchestra goes out on strikeUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger89125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58505556019185944432012-11-07T13:53:30.638-08:002012-11-07T13:53:30.638-08:00I wish that all those musicians in the C.S.O. had ...I wish that all those musicians in the C.S.O. had been fired like Reagan did with the air traffic controllers. Nobody's shytte smells like roses, and those arrogant musicians in monkey suits need to know. The people of Chicago could just stay home and listen to their recordings. I will never, ever patronize any organization whose hacks get paid $144,000 per annum just because they've got a powerful union.Boiling Pothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14113507216309583334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31617504193479434762012-09-27T21:41:50.732-07:002012-09-27T21:41:50.732-07:00"Anonymous said...
And no, there still isn&#..."Anonymous said...<br /><br />And no, there still isn't a single ADULT Asian classical instrumentalist in the world today who is worth a hill of beans."<br /><br />Yeah, that Yo-Yo Ma is such a talentless hack!Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51679660601387736302012-09-27T08:36:06.074-07:002012-09-27T08:36:06.074-07:00The violin is the traditional centerpiece of the o...<i>The violin is the traditional centerpiece of the orchestra because the scale is meant to mimic the human voice.</i> <br /><br /><br />For examples of it's ability to do so, see <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miIm1sKUJFM" rel="nofollow">this clip</a><br /><br />Or <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7jBX4DdXIw" rel="nofollow">this one</a>.Severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48530488131829933492012-09-26T23:52:01.563-07:002012-09-26T23:52:01.563-07:00So when you notice that people are still amazed an...<i>So when you notice that people are still amazed and enchanted by Mozart, you might begin to appreciate that musical talent has not been distributed evenly.</i> --pat/Albertosaurus<br /><br />If you want to make a case for talent over skill, then Mozart is the worst poster child imaginable, due to his extreme training regimen as a child. He was the Tiger Woods of his day.<br /><br />Wolfgang really only had two inborn advantages of note: an insanely dedicated father, and the patience to learn from him. Same as Tiger.<br /><br />Now Camille Saint-Saëns, <i>he</i> had talent. He just never developed Mozart's skill.Reg Cæsarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89534461419725626452012-09-26T23:36:33.737-07:002012-09-26T23:36:33.737-07:00"Are you sure you're not a member of the ..."Are you sure you're not a member of the teacher's union already"<br /><br />Positive. I opted out. Why would I pay to be a member of an organization that would care little or not at all about me? <br /><br />And why would you shame a prison bitch for not feeling like he owes any good will or loyalty to his current rapist? Mayanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85139797558651125202012-09-26T22:24:07.459-07:002012-09-26T22:24:07.459-07:00" but who doesn't recognize that a violin..." but who doesn't recognize that a violin is the source of the most poignant sounds on earth. "<br /><br /><br />Finally someone gets it. The violin is the traditional centerpiece of the orchestra because the scale is meant to mimic the human voice.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47787554596547113972012-09-26T21:47:09.973-07:002012-09-26T21:47:09.973-07:00Maya wrote "And, obviously, I'd only go ...Maya wrote "And, obviously, I'd only go there for the money and the location, with the intent of gaining the most out of the arrangement while expanding the least amount of energy possible"<br /><br /> Are you sure you're not a member of the teacher's union alreadykaganovitchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69923317586860560432012-09-26T21:29:17.800-07:002012-09-26T21:29:17.800-07:00there still isn't a single ADULT Asian classic...<i>there still isn't a single ADULT Asian classical instrumentalist in the world today who is worth a hill of beans</i> <br /><br /><br />Sure there is. Check out <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoXZIv0CwDs" rel="nofollow">Kotaro Oshio</a> on classical guitar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36881984602363709282012-09-26T20:37:52.547-07:002012-09-26T20:37:52.547-07:00So based on your logic, the best restaurant in the...So based on your logic, the best restaurant in the world is McDonald's, because their sales per square foot and profitability per dollar of revenue is the highest in the world for a food-service operation? <br /> Economists have no way of measuring value separately from the price function. Some people can, and we have a name for them- cultured, educated, and civilised.Charlesz Martelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80737307236513738582012-09-26T20:32:51.573-07:002012-09-26T20:32:51.573-07:00Guitar vs Violin, an argument I doubt these guys e...Guitar vs Violin, an argument I doubt <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5FsHXWEA7o&feature=youtube_gdata_player" rel="nofollow">these guys</a> ever have, or maybe they do.<br /><br />If Bell had played something people had heard on Bugs Bunny or from Disney or at wedding, he would have made at least $80.<br /><br />I barely listen to classical music, but who doesn't recognize that a violin is the source of the most poignant sounds on earth. There has been no evolution in this regard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58035612369146063042012-09-26T20:14:02.005-07:002012-09-26T20:14:02.005-07:00...a paradox of labor economics that few Americans...<i>...a paradox of labor economics that few Americans grasp anymore: unions are best able to serve the highest-skilled workers.</i><br /><br />Which is close to that other paradox economists point to: Unions don't shift resources from capital to labor, so much as from one segment of labor to another.<br /><br />Both phenomena are regressive.Reg Cæsarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26400647762287433112012-09-26T20:02:29.117-07:002012-09-26T20:02:29.117-07:00. Art forms have been explored to their limits--ev...<i>. Art forms have been explored to their limits--even in cinema.</i> --anon.<br /><br />A good point, that John Stuart Mill Made about composing music, ca. 1826.<br /><br />Brahms, Tchaikovsky, Dvorak, Puccini and Harry Warren were unavailable for comment at the time, not yet having gone through, as Steve might say, the formality of having been born.Reg Cæsarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52915935804808963832012-09-26T19:07:26.034-07:002012-09-26T19:07:26.034-07:00"Image plays a role in classical music too. C...<i>"Image plays a role in classical music too. Consider the Washington Post's experiment with violin virtuoso Joshua Bell. A world-renowned classical musician played a $3.5 million instrument to a 1000+ passersby in a subway station and got $32 in tips."</i><br /><br />Hardly an apt analogy. He wasn't playing in any kind of concert forum but to passersby, many of whom probably either lack situational awareness or have learned to "tune out" most of what goes on around them.Kylienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79492724288730590812012-09-26T16:51:04.359-07:002012-09-26T16:51:04.359-07:00Image plays a role in classical music too. Conside...<i>Image plays a role in classical music too. Consider the Washington Post's experiment with violin virtuoso Joshua Bell. A world-renowned classical musician played a $3.5 million instrument to a 1000+ passersby in a subway station and got $32 in tips.</i><br /><br />I don't deny image plays a role in classical music, but the WaPo experiment wasn't exactly fair. Bell was playing in a subway during the morning commute, when people are in a hurry to get to work. I'd love to linger and listen to someone of Bell's caliber play the chaconne, but probably wouldn't if it meant I'd get fired for being late. They should have had him play in the early evening, when people are coming back from work. He would have got a lot more money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67548749627019139692012-09-26T16:44:13.843-07:002012-09-26T16:44:13.843-07:00@anonymous 3:21 PM:
"classical" music i...@anonymous 3:21 PM:<br /><br />"classical" music is not a single "form" of music.<br /><br />Think of Perotin's *Sederunt Principes*.<br /><br />Next think of Mozart's *Don Giovanni.*<br /><br />And then think of Gabriel Faure's 13th Nocturne.<br /><br />What "form" do these works share - other than that they are all "classical?"<br /><br />If you think that "classical" music can ever be "exhausted," then you haven't yet understood what it is.vinteuilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24153049719212011242012-09-26T16:17:03.603-07:002012-09-26T16:17:03.603-07:00We can argue the merits of different styles of mus...We can argue the merits of different styles of music until the cows come home and are milked to the gentle strains of Beethoven, or Ludacris. jody has made his opinion known, to much mockery.<br /><br />I was more interested in the union aspect than the music-- although I'm always down for some good working class tuba stories!<br /><br />Steve's observation that "The simple answer is that the richest musicians go on strike because they are the best and thus the hardest to replace" has been echoed down through union history; they are called "trade unions" after all, or in Russian "prof-soyuzi." (Professional'nie soyuzie, or professional unions.)<br /><br />Contrast the relative success of the AFL and CIO with the fairly brutal suppression of the "one big union" (the Industrial Workers of the World, or Wobblies).<br /><br />This story actually reminded me of something I read about years ago, before the fall of the Soviet Union, about officers in the Red Army trying to form a union. (Even at the time, I thought public employee unions were a bad idea.)Hunsdonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71428650421381297012012-09-26T15:30:10.375-07:002012-09-26T15:30:10.375-07:00Some great classical style compositions of the 20t...Some great classical style compositions of the 20th century were in cinema. <br /><br />Jerry Fielding's score for THE WILD BUNCH is remarkable. <br />And Bernard Hermann's work on VERTIGO. <br />And Delereau's work for Truffaut and Godard. <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUs4awmb3-o<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWoItWtJBTQ<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHqRGG9ZhSk<br /><br />And Morricone's work on ONCE IN WEST and ONCE IN AMERICA. <br /><br />And DUCK YOU SUCKER. <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxTTF_8Pyso<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-33617148856970098182012-09-26T15:21:11.274-07:002012-09-26T15:21:11.274-07:00"In (partial) defense of jody, there is, and ..."In (partial) defense of jody, there is, and long has been, a serious problem in the world of "classical" music: the present is not living up to the past."<br /><br />The form has been exhausted. It happens to all the arts. <br />What painter excites us today like masters of the past? <br />What Jazzer in the past 20 yrs made the difference of Ellington, Armstrong, Parker, Coltrane? <br /><br />This is why creativity is more about technogizmotics than traditional artistry. Art forms have been explored to their limits--even in cinema. So, the thing is how can we use technology to do the same thing but differently? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30543155261346244882012-09-26T15:18:26.336-07:002012-09-26T15:18:26.336-07:00"Rap is for the retarded."
I'd say ..."Rap is for the retarded."<br /><br />I'd say more Jews today listen to rap than classical music. And for every Asian into classical music, 1000 are into rap. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32355575739474529422012-09-26T15:17:17.562-07:002012-09-26T15:17:17.562-07:00"Dumb people just can't properly apprecia..."Dumb people just can't properly appreciate better music."<br /><br />There are lots of dumb people who like popular classical music like <br />Nutcracker, Beethoven's Fifth, Bach's Air, and etc. <br />But some classical music require more training or patience. <br />As for modern music... I dunno. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87159697072547268012012-09-26T15:10:17.405-07:002012-09-26T15:10:17.405-07:00Kylie,
"Apparently jody doesn't realize ...Kylie,<br /><br /><i>"Apparently jody doesn't realize how much of rock music's success is due to its image. Comparatively little importance is given to the music itself.<br /><br />Light shows, performers' onstage appearance and offstage antics or stances account for a lot of their appeal. Put those rock into black suits and have them perform just the music their genius has moved them to create without all the bells, whistles and lights and watch ticket sales plunge."</i><br /><br />Image plays a role in classical music too. Consider the Washington Post's <a href="http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/bell.asp" rel="nofollow">experiment with violin virtuoso Joshua Bell</a>. A world-renowned classical musician played a $3.5 million instrument to a 1000+ passersby in a subway station and got $32 in tips.DaveinHackensackhttp://www.thehackensack.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66470308128231408532012-09-26T12:49:39.586-07:002012-09-26T12:49:39.586-07:00That said, I wonder what jody might make of, say, ...That said, I wonder what jody might make of, say, Vladimir Horowitz playing Scriabine's "Vers la flamme":<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdL0u4DFf7Q<br /><br />Does he seriously think that there has ever been any rock guitarist playing in this league?vinteuilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59151455628778603372012-09-26T12:18:55.567-07:002012-09-26T12:18:55.567-07:00In (partial) defense of jody, there is, and long h...In (partial) defense of jody, there is, and long has been, a serious problem in the world of "classical" music: the present is not living up to the past.<br /><br />A hundred years ago, the programs of the great orchestras were dominated by relatively recent works. New pieces by the likes of Sibelius and Elgar and Rachmaninov were greeted with genuine excitement. But nowadays, audiences generally approach new pieces with a combination of boredom and dread: another bitter pill forced down their collective throat 'cause it's supposed to be good for them.<br /><br />They'd much rather listen to something written 200 years ago, for the hundredth time - and who can blame them?<br /><br />It's a serious problem.vinteuilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-38154975526177424652012-09-26T12:13:08.249-07:002012-09-26T12:13:08.249-07:00Asians are a little like blacks, though, in that t...Asians are a little like blacks, though, in that they "mature" at a much younger age than whites.<br /><br />Although with blacks, it's a physical maturation, whereas with Asians, it's more of a "mental" maturation.<br /><br />Whites come along very, very slowly, but sometime in mid- to late-puberty, they eventually accelerate past the Asians and leave them in the dust.<br /><br />And no, there still isn't a single ADULT Asian classical instrumentalist in the world today who is worth a hill of beans.<br /><br />Plenty of "child prodigies", and plenty of <a href="http://www.usc.edu/schools/music/private/faculty/mgoto.php" rel="nofollow"><b>former child prodigy has-beens</b></a>, but no good adults.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89747418644840014402012-09-26T11:02:10.948-07:002012-09-26T11:02:10.948-07:00"Passersby", please;
Soooooo...is "...<i>"Passersby", please;<br />Soooooo...is "thru" acceptable spelling now?</i><br /><br />Were were you when I was trying to break Steve of the superfluous 'of'? Charming gallicism, my ass. <br />not a hackernoreply@blogger.com