tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post7951816696823604447..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: India drops out of 2012 PISA testUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger108125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30815880692198095262012-09-01T10:56:45.569-07:002012-09-01T10:56:45.569-07:00@Stephen Edkins
read:
http://akarlin.com/2012/08...@Stephen Edkins<br /><br />read:<br /><br />http://akarlin.com/2012/08/13/analysis-of-chinas-pisa-2009-results/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59879356071001444862012-08-28T06:48:02.571-07:002012-08-28T06:48:02.571-07:00Stephen Edkins,
Did you read some other articles....Stephen Edkins,<br /><br />Did you read some other articles. OECD did the testing in total 11 provinces in China. Even the kids from poorest rural area in China are about same as the OECD average.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2000422723880120662012-08-27T07:29:38.285-07:002012-08-27T07:29:38.285-07:00China is represented in PISA by Shanghai!!! Tamil ...China is represented in PISA by Shanghai!!! Tamil Nadu and Hamichal Pradesh are both still 70% rural. Neither contains the richest country in India....Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10768350831904378675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56244762361632398072012-08-27T07:26:48.785-07:002012-08-27T07:26:48.785-07:00just read through the comments it seems like the m...just read through the comments it seems like the most important fact here which is that China has limited its participation in PISA to Shanghai. <br /><br />india was represented by two States, worts and all. To attend a school in Shanghai you have either to have been born there or afford top up fees. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10768350831904378675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8959786118021455322012-08-23T17:31:06.305-07:002012-08-23T17:31:06.305-07:00@"Anonymous 5.13 PM
So one guy with a Hindu ...@"Anonymous 5.13 PM<br /><br />So one guy with a Hindu name starts posting and you see an entire army of drones coming. So you feverishly start making straw-men and batting them down. Sounds like schizophrenia to me: they have meds for that ya know.<br /><br />Or you could just be a pakistani. There is a cure for that too: <b>drones</b>. LOL.Ram Kumarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84117269134023771052012-08-23T17:13:23.995-07:002012-08-23T17:13:23.995-07:00Much of the Middle East is a sparsely populated he...<i>Much of the Middle East is a sparsely populated hellhole with mostly sand and camels to keep company with</i><br /><br />Says the Internet Hindu with a straight face. This Ram Kumar is a fine example of the brazenness with which these people lie and deceive. India is a shining, amazing success story they boast ad nauseam while the West is in decline, China is doomed, the Muslims are inconsequential etc. They keep chanting this mantra like brainwashed drones as if it somehow makes the ugly reality of India disappear....<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10306208785239643242012-08-23T13:09:22.519-07:002012-08-23T13:09:22.519-07:00It is true that much of Indian elitism stems from ...<i><br />It is true that much of Indian elitism stems from the Nehruvian era of the elite attending British boarding and looking down on upon the mercantile society of the American.<br />I loathe these elitists-they were for the most part crony capitalists and or Fabian socialists who had devastated the Indian economy and society for half a century with their hare brained schemes.<br />Regrettably too many Brahmins are part of this mostly destructive group.<br />Id rather admire Ambedkar(the Dalit leader) who tried to get India on a more free market and pro American footing(not coincidentally he was educated at Columbia while others attending Oxbridge).<br /></i><br /><br />In hindsight that all rings true, but remember that in 1947, the capitalist west, including America, was ruled precisely by these sort of ignorant racists who comment on this blog. The idea that India could have adopted anything but socialism, with nationalized industries, after its experience with multinational predatory capitalism that started with the British East India Company (or the experience of the various sundry 'banana' republics in the new world who were colonized by the United Fruit Company), doesn't equate with the reality of that time.<br /><br />The Indian economy's opening up has coincided with the West becoming more multicultural and less fascist (which it had to in order to fight the 'evil' commies from the Soviet Union). Thus, racists on the comments section of this blog aside, it is possible for countries like India to bootstrap themselves by plugging in to the world economy largely on their own terms (create local employment, transfer knowledge etc).Ram Kumarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81947245242015667752012-08-23T13:07:56.650-07:002012-08-23T13:07:56.650-07:00"Van Nostrand, I admire you for sticking arou..."Van Nostrand, I admire you for sticking around and trying to educate some of these fools. A Sisyphean task if there ever was one!"<br /><br />Here, Here! Hey, it's a rough job, but somebody has to do it.<br />Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81889957606894918682012-08-23T13:01:37.836-07:002012-08-23T13:01:37.836-07:00Van Nostrand,
You are right: my point about Ameri...Van Nostrand,<br /><br />You are right: my point about Americanism was meant to be a sarcastic description of how I could make Americans look quite ridiculous by <b>starting my entire analysis on the basis of a terrible definition</b>.<br /><br />This is what I see being regularly done when 'analyzing' India and its people, especially regarding the union of all of its religious, cultural, philosophical, spiritual, ritualistic, and socioeconomic practices clubbed under 'Hinduism'.Ram Kumarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-47173938988476422902012-08-23T12:50:53.991-07:002012-08-23T12:50:53.991-07:00Re Indian aka British elitism
It is true that muc...Re Indian aka British elitism<br /><br />It is true that much of Indian elitism stems from the Nehruvian era of the elite attending British boarding and looking down on upon the mercantile society of the American.<br />I loathe these elitists-they were for the most part crony capitalists and or Fabian socialists who had devastated the Indian economy and society for half a century with their hare brained schemes.<br />Regrettably too many Brahmins are part of this mostly destructive group.<br />Id rather admire Ambedkar(the Dalit leader) who tried to get India on a more free market and pro American footing(not coincidentally he was educated at Columbia while others attending Oxbridge).<br />Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81750699527998861282012-08-23T12:46:32.214-07:002012-08-23T12:46:32.214-07:00Re Ram Kumar,
Thank you for comments.
Steve Saile...Re Ram Kumar,<br /><br />Thank you for comments.<br />Steve Sailer is a incredibly knowledgable,curious and intelligent individual.I wish I could say the same for many of his readers.<br /><br />I believe you are unneccessarily harsh on Americans, having lived there I can say they are for the most part wonderful people.<br /><br />However if you are point was the pointing the foibles myriad of subcultures within superculture in reference to how HBDers think Hinduism is a disorganized chaos then its well put.Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32128493313303443762012-08-23T12:07:12.741-07:002012-08-23T12:07:12.741-07:00Much of the Middle East is a sparsely populated he...Much of the Middle East is a sparsely populated hellhole with mostly sand and camels to keep company with. It's no accident that the biggest muslim populations are actually in the 'Hindu' Indian subcontinent.<br /><br />Who are these idiots 'indicting' Hindu India in comparison to 'muslim' mid east? Haven't they heard of Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Bangladesh, with collectively 400 million muslims, as well as another 180 million or so in India, and compared their living conditions to 'hindus'? Have they bothered to run some numbers with the entire population of the mid east? Wow, all these high IQ hbd'ers with their wondrous intellects and analytical capabilities. They are supposed to be good at math as well, one is told!<br /><br />Van Nostrand, I admire you for sticking around and trying to educate some of these fools. A Sisyphean task if there ever was one!<br /><br />Finally, at the risk of throwing more pearls before swine, I should point out something that should be bleedingly obvious: the term 'Hindu' has traditionally been applied to refer to people who live east of the river Sindhu (Indus in its Hellenized form). Some dumb european at some point must have said that 'Hindus' practice 'Hinduism', which would be exactly like observing that 'Americans', who live in 'America' practice 'Americanism'. But what is Americanism? Well anything really. Everything from the 125 year old Hugh Hefner banging 18 year old models in the Playboy mansion, to the rednecks of Alabama thumping their bibles and claiming that the earth was created 6000 years ago (and dino bones are an evil trick of Satan's), to hippies dancing around naked and high in burning man, and the polygamous Mormons in Utah...This Americanism is an absurd religion where anything goes, with no central founder, scripture, cohesive ideology...And thus it is with the term 'Hindu' and 'Hinduism'. But continue making nonsensical inferences with the wrong set of ground definitions!Ram Kumarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6660948780797158622012-08-23T12:05:49.473-07:002012-08-23T12:05:49.473-07:00And, ahem, any south indian who quotes such a pate...And, ahem, any south indian who quotes such a patently false conclusion to prove a point is clearly not interested in the truth...."<br /><br />Again ,I already explained that in another post, if you lack reading comprehension ,its not really my problem.<br /><br /><br />However your above post gives me some ammunition...So you in agree that not all travellers and conquerers speak the truth!<br />As I am repeating for the nth time,I have already discounted the Portuguese travellers as per the other posters point re Babur vs Domingo Paes.<br />Now do you have the integrity to say that Baburs viewpoint is a load of horse manure.<br />I suspect...not...!So I would appreciate fewer lectures from you on the pursuit of "truth" ..thank you.Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30522082167684980352012-08-23T12:01:21.768-07:002012-08-23T12:01:21.768-07:00Thats hindu logic for you. "
LOL you sound l...Thats hindu logic for you. "<br /><br />LOL you sound like a Pakistani<br /><br />And just for your information not all countries of the middle east have oil."<br /><br />LOL, this is the foreign affairs equivalent of NAWALT...<br />Well those not "blessed" with oil such as Jordan and Egypt have more than India. And they are heavily subsidized by the U.S and the wealthy oil producing Arab states.Similarly Syria is subsidized by Iran.<br /><br /><br /><br />Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8598560377992467672012-08-23T07:29:08.992-07:002012-08-23T07:29:08.992-07:00"Remember the cardinal rule of white HBDers-a..."Remember the cardinal rule of white HBDers-any positive aspects of India -thank the British...any negative aspects -proof of Indian inferiority."<br /><br />These recent threads involving a lot of comments about India are the divide and rulers practising their craft for when the Indian population is America is larger.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16073203246074649052012-08-23T02:28:12.515-07:002012-08-23T02:28:12.515-07:00Ahem, I already noted that and explained how he co...<i>Ahem, I already noted that and explained how he could reach such a conclusion.</i><br /><br />Anyone who reaches the conclusion that south indians are "close to white" has either never been there or is lying.<br /><br />And, ahem, any south indian who quotes such a patently false conclusion to prove a point is clearly not interested in the truth....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68503062660573164542012-08-23T02:19:05.211-07:002012-08-23T02:19:05.211-07:00Actually much of Islamic Middle Easts living condi...<i>Actually much of Islamic Middle Easts living conditions are indeed an indictment of Islam, there is far more civic order and cleanliness in the Middle East but that results from a combination of oil wealth and despotism!</i><br /><br />Thats hindu logic for you. <br /><br />And just for your information not all countries of the middle east have oil.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1975538655755534092012-08-23T01:37:14.171-07:002012-08-23T01:37:14.171-07:00Not a fan of Islam, but I think it is obscene for ...<br />Not a fan of Islam, but I think it is obscene for a Hindu to be pointing fingers at Muslims. The difference in living conditions between Hindu India and the Muslim middle-east is an indictment of Hinduism, not Islam."<br /><br />Actually much of Islamic Middle Easts living conditions are indeed an indictment of Islam, there is far more civic order and cleanliness in the Middle East but that results from a combination of oil wealth and despotism!<br /><br />I would like remind HBD re India sanitation issues that it was the British who introduced open sewers to India!<br />Most people would do their business in an outhouse type structure or the bushes -it was considered impure to have a toilet inside the house.<br />Also I would expect whitey to be more accommodating of India ,wasn't it Voltaire who described Paris as" one could smell it before seeing it" ...he didn't mean that in a good way, I doubt London was a whole lot different either!<br />I would wager that an average city of that era would've much cleaner than the average European city.But of course we can blame the current sorry state of Indian affairs on everything but British rule.<br />Remember the cardinal rule of white HBDers-any positive aspects of India -thank the British...any negative aspects -proof of Indian inferiority.<br /><br /><br /><br />Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64287339331594697162012-08-23T01:31:32.569-07:002012-08-23T01:31:32.569-07:00"I still can't grasp how more Indian peop..."I still can't grasp how more Indian people have cell phones than toilets; they have some screwed up priorities. "<br /><br />Emptying your bowels under open skies is addictive! Talking on the cell-phone while emptying your bowels under open skies, super-addictive!<br /><br />"not a good idea to compare the life expectancy between Senegal and India because of HIV in Africa. "<br /><br />Senegal has much lower rate of HIV, quick googling:<br /><br />'Senegal serves as a model among African countries in its control of HIV/AIDS. The national HIV prevalence rate has been below 1 percent for the past two decades'<br /><br />India's is around 0.30<br /><br />And where will one find such lines in american MSM:<br /><br />"The implication of this and other facts is that Indian children are genetically smaller on average. "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35632234723425231672012-08-23T01:03:52.664-07:002012-08-23T01:03:52.664-07:00South Indians are the darkest sub-set of the dark-...<br />South Indians are the darkest sub-set of the dark-skinned Indian race, and you know it. Practically everyone knows it. Yet you quote someone who thinks they are "almost white"....<br /><br />Ahem, I already noted that and explained how he could reach such a conclusion.<br />Indo European speakers in Bengal ,Bihar and UP can be just as dark skinned as South Indians.<br />BTW by a weird coincidence it is these regions that ruled India and had major powerful empires where the arts and sciences flourished while the more "Aryan" northwest was a backwater whose only claim to fame was getting their ass kicked by Northern barbarians.Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28719614194906200912012-08-23T00:27:41.164-07:002012-08-23T00:27:41.164-07:00Islam turns whatever it touches into sand.
Not a ...<i>Islam turns whatever it touches into sand.</i><br /><br />Not a fan of Islam, but I think it is obscene for a Hindu to be pointing fingers at Muslims. The difference in living conditions between Hindu India and the Muslim middle-east is an indictment of Hinduism, not Islam.<br /><br /><br />IAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6591678871454935692012-08-22T23:11:33.433-07:002012-08-22T23:11:33.433-07:00As for colors of South indians, he does contradict...<i>As for colors of South indians, he does contradict himself, on one hand he refers to them as tawny and then again"almost white"</i><br /><br />There goes the credibility of your source. <br /><br />South Indians are the darkest sub-set of the dark-skinned Indian race, and you know it. Practically everyone knows it. Yet you quote someone who thinks they are "almost white"....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80788620507503248372012-08-22T23:07:07.477-07:002012-08-22T23:07:07.477-07:00Most cosmopolitans of every culture consider Ameri...<br />Most cosmopolitans of every culture consider Americans dumb. I suspect this has to with American provinciality. It's a big place in the middle of nowhere; the weather is nice in most places and there is plenty of food. Why bother about any place else? In contrast, if you're from a fetid island in the North Atlantic like England, your curiosity and wanderlust is bound to be higher."<br /><br />True, a great number of the provincial Americans are descendants of cosmopolitan(for their time) Englishman.<br />Canadians are far less provincial than Americans mostly because they are still tied to the mother country and much of their land is simply uninhabitable.This leads to a shortage of man power which leads them to invite a good number of people from the third world(for whom Canada is usually a consolation prize) and their cult of muliticulturism.<br />I personally never saw the wisdom of how Tamils ,Sikhs ,Pakistanis,Africans ,Arabs and others from subtropical and desert climes would be more suited to work in sub zero frigid temperatures than Anglo Celts and other Northern Europeans.<br />Wouldn't they be better suited if they came to a deal with the Soviets for exporting a good chunk of their population in exchange for cash? It Didn't hurt Israel much!<br />Just curious-When is the last time such a large number of Southern peoples moved up North?...I mean besides trans Atlantic slavery!Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20090026909890040792012-08-22T22:41:26.881-07:002012-08-22T22:41:26.881-07:00Yes, it's a pity that Christopher Columbus was...<br />Yes, it's a pity that Christopher Columbus wasn't aware of Babar's diaries; he could then have stopped wasting his time trying desperately to find an alternative route to India, and instead spent his energies on looking for an alternative route to Uzbekibekibekibekistan and Afghanistan, countries of immense industry, treasures, and value."<br /><br />LOL,beautifully put. Also nice ref to Herman Cain!Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60620642006897640662012-08-22T22:35:08.709-07:002012-08-22T22:35:08.709-07:00Babur was a conqueror looking to enjoy and exploit...Babur was a conqueror looking to enjoy and exploit his newfound lands. His disappointments and bitterness are probably more grounded in economic self-interest and experience with the wealth of other cultures trading along the Silk Road to the north.<br /><br />The Portuguese travellers were missionaries, soldiers of fortune, and merchants seeking new opportunities, financial support and followers. Their motivations are more likely to create propaganda puffery driven by self-interest. One giveaway is the description of southern Dravidians as "of a brown color, almost white".<br /><br /><br />Good point , I hadn't thought of the different motivations of Babur and the Portuguese. That said as pointed Southern and Northern India were different worlds and already by 1500, Northern India was devastated by intermittent yet brutal warfare and famine thanks to Turkic Muslim invaders.Southern India had also suffered but not as much.<br /><br />As for colors of South indians, he does contradict himself, on one hand he refers to them as tawny and then again"almost white" ,perhaps he was referring to different peoples in Southern India. Remember within Southern India itself there is considerable diversity in skin color( the Greek traveller Megasthenese in the 34d century BC describes Andhras as have similar complexion to Egyptians while Tamils color was akin to Ethiopians).<br />Also please note that a good number of North Indians had fled to Southern India to escape the Muslim invasions.For e.g. the Saraswat Brahmins who are unambiguously of Kashmiri origin.Dr Van Nostrandnoreply@blogger.com