tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post8263627024826566915..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Oscar nominationsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-49269625300000639862011-01-29T09:51:05.535-08:002011-01-29T09:51:05.535-08:00Again, your arguments do not hold up to scrutiny. ...Again, your arguments do not hold up to scrutiny. It's true that Hollywood is still a star-driven system. A major actor has the ability to get a picture made, and with director approval. For the masses stars make-up dialog on the set, but people passionate about movies tend to focus on the director and very often forget the writer entirely. In terms of power in the system, "auteur theory" holds -- it's a "director's medium." So, while people here have tried mightily to sputter the names of star-writers, the power of said writers does not compare to star directors, who are well-known in the public (Spielberg, Scorsese, Cameron). <br /><br />Ad-libbing is often exaggerated, and it amuses me to no end when people praise actors to no end for coming up with stuff "on the spot." The actor benefits from all kinds of creative energy, from the person who dressed the set, to the other actors, to what's already been developed before he was hired. The writer has to think up shit staring into a white screen at his home office in Van Nuys. <br /><br />Also, writers do more than create dialog, which is said to be one of the easier parts of writing. They need to create a story, develop a theme, birth compelling characters. <br /><br />Multiple writers on a project testifies to the fact that they do not have a whole lot of power. From a development stand point, it's often done by nervous executives who are covering their own asses. If the flick bombs they can say they had the 10 hottest writers in town take a crack at the story. <br /><br />Editors are also vastly under-appreciated -- another reason why directors should not be considered the sole visionary. P.T. Anderson, who writes and directs, refuses to take a film by credit because of the contribution of editors, set designers, actors and others. It is a collaborative medium. <br /><br />As for the contribution of studio notes -- they go along way to explaining the milquetoast, homogenized crap that gets produced today. Characters have to be more likable, endings happier, plot developments explained. <br /><br />As for how much of the script translates into screen time, it obviously varies. SALT was originally written for a man, but they changed it when Jolie expressed interest. There was a scene in the script where she escapes police custody by leaping out a sixty story building. The director wanted to shoot the scene, but the money men came in and said they didn't have the cash for it, so things needed to be changed. There are all kinds of considerations, but the point is that a original screenplay nomination should not be viewed as an "also-ran." This is being hailed as the biggest Oscar snub of the year (the movie wasn't anything better than good).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58547925763982628712011-01-28T13:27:25.913-08:002011-01-28T13:27:25.913-08:00Literally credited to Foley? It's literally cr...Literally credited to Foley? It's literally credited to Mamet, as well, but who gives a shit as no one ever talks about Foley in regard to the film, EVER.<br /><br />Most people never even know who the director of a movie is (Spielberg is about the only name among mass audiences), although by now people have learned that M. Night Shyamalan means "shit" in Hindi. They think it is an Al Pacino film, or a Tom Hanks film, or a Jim Carrey film. Why do you care one way or the other? Because the audience should just know?<br /><br />How do you account for the fact that in many cases there is no single writer, or that material is often improvised on set, or that even if a script is shot line for line a director and cast and editor can give it radically different meanings? For that matter, how much of the finished screenplay in any given movie was purely the effort of the credited writer, with no ghost, no collaboration, no studio notes, etc. It's far more complicated than you try to make it sound.Udolpho.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12976984423336975944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78457902597659347572011-01-28T08:21:52.667-08:002011-01-28T08:21:52.667-08:00Shanklin(?) on Limbaugh had Jackson and Sharpton&#...Shanklin(?) on Limbaugh had Jackson and Sharpton's reaction to the Oscars. The lack of a African-American star in Black Swan was unconscionable. <br /><br />Also, according to Drudge, the Asian community isn't taking to satire about the Chinese leader.<br /><br />GoatweedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80655663537875981902011-01-27T21:30:47.809-08:002011-01-27T21:30:47.809-08:00Udolpho: I thought your comments weak and intemper...Udolpho: I thought your comments weak and intemperate. Yes, Sorkin is winning praise, but it's remarkable only because writers are not accustomed to anyone knowing their name. I'll bet you right now you can go to the comments on youtube for the various SOCIAL NETWORK trailers and mentions of Fincher will outpace Sorkin. <br /><br />I think that GGR is literally credited to Foley. Watch it and prove me wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16311862770527534332011-01-27T08:52:30.011-08:002011-01-27T08:52:30.011-08:00It's just crazy that GLENGARRY GLEN ROSS is a ...<i>It's just crazy that GLENGARRY GLEN ROSS is a "Film by James Foley"</i><br /><br />It's crazy that you think anyone calls it a film by James Foley. No one knows who Foley is. Everyone knows who David Mamet is. Next!Udolpho.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12976984423336975944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17639264549350120072011-01-27T08:49:02.046-08:002011-01-27T08:49:02.046-08:00What a fool. Sorkin has received tons of plaudits...What a fool. Sorkin has received tons of plaudits for The Social Network. Fincher has really gotten little buzz out of it. Why do you think that is a good exmaple for your whiny theory that Hollywood refuses to credit writers?Udolpho.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12976984423336975944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-80853496545726768082011-01-26T21:33:48.082-08:002011-01-26T21:33:48.082-08:00I do not doubt that SOCIAL NETWORK is better for h...I do not doubt that SOCIAL NETWORK is better for having Fincher on as a director. Fincher's directorial debut did not exactly take Hollywood by storm. <br /><br /><b>"a lot of directing consists of doing stuff that takes a lot of energy and organizational skill, but not necessarily Kaufman-level originality."</b><br /><br />Doesn't this underscore the contribution of the writer? I'm reminded of DARWIN'S DANGEROUS IDEA wherein Dennett argues that given the option of choosing life for either Shakespeare or Newton, he'd instantly go with the Bard. If Newton was never born, people would have eventually hit upon his ideas; however, if Shakespeare never existed then we would not have had his characters, turns of phrase. <br /><br />Kaufman has a lot of clout as a writer, so much so that after Clooney (he claims) ruined one of his scripts, he retains director approval. This is part of what the writer strike a couple years ago was about. Writers were pissed that a 20-something hot shot with two credits could come along and talk about the movie like it sprang from his head, offering tepid praise to "my writer." <br /><br />As I said before, I did not care for INCEPTION: eye-popping visuals, two dimensional characters. But in terms of <i>genius</i> the person who generates an original idea should be given far more praise, as well as power to protect their vision. I believe Nolan wrote INCEPTION on spec, spent something like ten years working out the ideas, so it's just crazy this is a less prestigious accomplishment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69025286802980728842011-01-26T21:13:15.657-08:002011-01-26T21:13:15.657-08:00He left out "and the inside of Christopher No...He left out "and the inside of Christopher Nolan's head."Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10775481261968580942011-01-26T20:44:10.004-08:002011-01-26T20:44:10.004-08:00Have you noticed the "Where's the diversi...Have you noticed the <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/26/diversity.academy.awards/?hpt=C2" rel="nofollow">"Where's the diversity at the Oscars?</a> meme going around? My personal <a href="http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/01/26/black-oscar-nominees-2011/?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-n%7Cdl2%7Csec1_lnk1%7C19750" rel="nofollow">favorite quote</a> is from Gary Susman:<br /><br />"The other reason there aren't more Oscar-worthy roles for black performers is that there are still not many African-American directors, screenwriters or studio executives. By and large, the people in those positions tend to make movies about the worlds they know. Look at the settings of this year's nominated films: the ivory towers of Harvard, the Irish Catholic enclaves on the outskirts of Boston, the canyons of Utah, the suburbs of Los Angeles, the ballet stages of New York, the Ozarks, the old West, Buckingham Palace. All that's missing are movies about hockey teams and bar mitzvahs."<br /><br />I don't know. Sounds pretty diverse to me.<br /><br />(I'm curious: does anyone know if an African-American was nominated in any category?)travisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-98004845082666582011-01-26T20:06:59.092-08:002011-01-26T20:06:59.092-08:00Will youtube videos ever be nominated for short fi...Will youtube videos ever be nominated for short film oscar? This one's a riot. <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wleyjo1W8RkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87193840058392380132011-01-26T18:17:50.562-08:002011-01-26T18:17:50.562-08:00And how much better is The Social Network because ...And how much better is The Social Network because Sorkin didn't make it his directorial debut and instead let it be directed by the expert David Fincher?Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51385250788150366882011-01-26T18:16:36.416-08:002011-01-26T18:16:36.416-08:00I suspect it is better for everybody if Charlie Ka...I suspect it is better for everybody if Charlie Kaufman writes two screenplays per year than if he writes and directs one movie every three years. How many Kaufman screenplays didn't get written because he exhausted himself directing Synechdoche, N.Y.?<br /><br />There is this line v. staff distinction that ought to be remembered: a lot of directing consists of doing stuff that takes a lot of energy and organizational skill, but not necessarily Kaufman-level originality.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58782308445479549832011-01-26T18:05:04.219-08:002011-01-26T18:05:04.219-08:00"How many strictly screenwriters possess Sork...<i>"How many strictly screenwriters possess Sorkin's clout in Hollywood? Not many is my guess."</i><br /><br />Not many in movies. TV is a different story.Frednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34178058379471019642011-01-26T18:01:03.192-08:002011-01-26T18:01:03.192-08:00The problem is that it's many times more diffi...The problem is that it's many times more difficult for a screenwriter to earn any clout. <br /><br />Sorkin was a playwright and a showrunner for a monster television drama. <br /><br />Writers realized they'd have to move into directing. <br /><br />To answer your question though, I can only think of one writer off the top of my head: Charlie Kaufman. But he's also making the transition to directing. Sorkin thought about making his directorial debut with THE SOCIAL NETWORK. <br /><br />It's just crazy that GLENGARRY GLEN ROSS is a "Film by James Foley"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61753971213022085102011-01-26T13:43:29.435-08:002011-01-26T13:43:29.435-08:00SOCIAL NETWORK is another example. Although an ada...<i>SOCIAL NETWORK is another example. Although an adaptation, it seems to obviously be more Sorkin's movie than "auteur" director David Fincher. It's a collaborative medium, so why do people get so hung up on directors?</i><br /><br />How many strictly screenwriters possess Sorkin's clout in Hollywood? Not many is my guess.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11239614434365454162011-01-26T07:13:42.303-08:002011-01-26T07:13:42.303-08:00INCEPTION is ridiculously over-rated. The premise ...INCEPTION is ridiculously over-rated. The premise is stupid at the outset: he enters this four-layered dream world in order to implant an idea. That sounds a lot more difficult than smuggling your kids out of America. Why can't his father-in-law bring them to France for a visit? Why doesn't he try using Skype? <br /><br />What I want to know is why we shit all over writers? You can see it reflected on this blog: right below "best picture" comes "best director," the most prestigious individual category. Film is a "director's medium," and directors can claim a "film by" credit. <br /><br />The first author is the writer, particularly in the case of an original screenplay. The writer is the more creative force, but with INCEPTION a nomination is seen as a minor consolation prize. If you find that world and those characters compelling -- personally, I do not -- then it would not exist without the writer. <br /><br />SOCIAL NETWORK is another example. Although an adaptation, it seems to obviously be more Sorkin's movie than "auteur" director David Fincher. It's a collaborative medium, so why do people get so hung up on directors? <br /><br />Re-watched NETWORK a little while ago and noticed in the opening credits read: "NETWORK by Paddy Chayefsky."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-55124604187853605312011-01-26T00:21:37.515-08:002011-01-26T00:21:37.515-08:00"Also, when he finally met his kids at the ve..."Also, when he finally met his kids at the very end, didn't they look exactly like they looked earlier on in his imagination? Same clothes, same poses? That's what made me think that he was stuck in his dreams."<br /><br /><i>Wired: The kids are in different clothes and are older at the end?<br /><br />Nolan: Yes, two sets of kids! The younger version of the boy is actually my son, and it’s not him who turns around at the end. There’s no ambiguity here.</i><br />http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/11/pl_inception_nolan/all/1beowulfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75624429762721310512011-01-25T21:05:06.350-08:002011-01-25T21:05:06.350-08:00If "Inception" is the best that the cine...If "Inception" is the best that the cinema can produce in the 21st Century, then God help us.Someone who actually saw Inceptionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70113411870418784642011-01-25T18:40:08.644-08:002011-01-25T18:40:08.644-08:00Isn't it obvious that Cobb is stuck at the end...<i>Isn't it obvious that Cobb is stuck at the end in an ideal dream he's created?</i><br /><br />In an alternative universe, I'm certain Steve's Inception review was excellent and he would have explained that no, Cobb was not dreaming at the end. :o)beowulfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3351095586804079692011-01-25T18:34:56.824-08:002011-01-25T18:34:56.824-08:00Steve, not a fan of hers but Sandra Tsing Loh did ...Steve, not a fan of hers but Sandra Tsing Loh did write a lot of articles for the LAT about how to get your kid into the good magnet schools in LAUSD.<br /><br />Yes, LA folks are obsessed with schools, keeping their kids out of the war zones and into the "good" schools, hence lotteries, various things that filter out all but the obsessed middle and upper middle class. Rich kids of course go to Country Day schools.Whiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10776303472006438742011-01-25T17:05:46.843-08:002011-01-25T17:05:46.843-08:00I don't believe a woman has ever been nominate...<i>I don't believe a woman has ever been nominated in this category. You apprentice by climbing ladders carrying heavy lights, so upper body strength is a prerequisite.</i> <br /><br />Or maybe they lack the visual sense, as Bret Easton Ellis claims. <br /> <br />“…There’s something about the medium of film itself that I think requires the male gaze.”<br /><br /> What would that be?<br /><br /> We’re watching, and we’re aroused by looking, whereas I don’t think women respond that way to films, just because of how they’re built. [emphasis mine]<br /><br /> You don’t think they have an overt level of arousal?<br /><br /> [They have one] that’s not so stimulated by the visual. I think, to a degree, all the women I named aren’t particularly visual directors. You could argue that Lost in Translation is beautiful, but is that [cinematographer Lance Acord]? I don’t know. Regardless of the business aspect of things, is there a reason that there isn’t a female Hitchcock or a female Scorsese or a female Spielberg? I don’t know. I think it’s a medium that really is built for the male gaze and for a male sensibility. I mean, the best art is made under not an indifference to, but a neutrality [toward] the kind of emotionalism that I think can be a trap for women directors." <br /><br />http://calitreview.com/9109Andynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77473520818844024682011-01-25T16:41:34.572-08:002011-01-25T16:41:34.572-08:00"Otherwise, why is Michael Caine waiting for ..."Otherwise, why is Michael Caine waiting for him at an American airport when he was a professor in Paris earlier in the movie?"<br /><br />Also, when he finally met his kids at the very end, didn't they look exactly like they looked earlier on in his imagination? Same clothes, same poses? That's what made me think that he was stuck in his dreams.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53702254399892748412011-01-25T16:10:30.460-08:002011-01-25T16:10:30.460-08:00"I don't believe a woman has ever been no..."I don't believe a woman has ever been nominated in this category. You apprentice by climbing ladders carrying heavy lights, so upper body strength is a prerequisite."<br /><br />Have you seen the roided-up rack of the average chick these days? <br /><br />Gilbert PinfoldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15737287450097998342011-01-25T11:02:59.419-08:002011-01-25T11:02:59.419-08:00http://www.jpost.com/ArtsAndCulture/Entertainment/...http://www.jpost.com/ArtsAndCulture/Entertainment/Article.aspx?id=205195<br /><br />Good thing Glenn Beck said nothing about this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67896289958725320502011-01-25T10:57:41.435-08:002011-01-25T10:57:41.435-08:00The Kids Are All Right is just a Lifetime Movie
...<i>The Kids Are All Right is just a Lifetime Movie</i> <br /><br />I thought you didn't get cable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com