tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post8330263306182923591..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Hollywood should stop using real childrenUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9638265010447947252014-07-03T13:12:10.632-07:002014-07-03T13:12:10.632-07:00
see more child stars at http://duckhits.com/9254/...<br />see more child stars at http://duckhits.com/9254/8-former-child-stars-stuck-with-their-kid-facesAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03316573193345238752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-1137913991079955092014-04-28T05:00:24.469-07:002014-04-28T05:00:24.469-07:00You got it.
GP
You got it.<br />GP<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75471416119957080272014-04-27T18:17:20.592-07:002014-04-27T18:17:20.592-07:00I worked on a (b grade) movie as a student in the ...<i>I worked on a (b grade) movie as a student in the eighties. The chimp was played by a little feller, in his late forties at least, called Deep Roy.<br /><br />There were rumours of child molestation, none the less. But that was down to a bigger star, since deceased.</i><br /><br />You must be bananas mate! ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39454081157947265762014-04-27T18:13:28.424-07:002014-04-27T18:13:28.424-07:00As CGI improves arent actors, kids or adults, goin...As CGI improves arent actors, kids or adults, going to be redundant anyway? Voice-over work only.<br /><br />(I'm sure there will still be <i>some</i> live action, stage work etc)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5290537029423972932014-04-27T18:07:13.071-07:002014-04-27T18:07:13.071-07:00Hollywood is like the Italian political leadership...<i>Hollywood is like the Italian political leadership. People got fired and new people brought in, but they were always <b>the same old crowd</b>, over and over again. All married, <b>related</b></i><br /><br />Careful Whiskey, you could be about to cross the J line there. And we know how you hate to do that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91598526490156751652014-04-27T15:30:59.342-07:002014-04-27T15:30:59.342-07:00"parents who keep their kids away from sleaze..."parents who keep their kids away from sleazeball managers, agents, casting directors, and companies (particularly Disney)"<br /><br />SleazneyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28722194158745434022014-04-27T13:52:49.641-07:002014-04-27T13:52:49.641-07:00With all due respect to Robert Blake and the curse...With all due respect to Robert Blake and the curse of 'Our Gang'. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerio_Fioravanti" rel="nofollow">Valerio Fioravanti</a> is tough to beat as an example of how child actors go ape. Hell of a way to get your name back in the papers.Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45592669915457985572014-04-27T09:56:38.767-07:002014-04-27T09:56:38.767-07:00"1) The genuine talents, the ones who stay in..."1) The genuine talents, the ones who stay in the business for decades, either top tier or middle.<br /><br />Jodi Foster, Ron Howard, Dean Stockwell, Robert Blake, Kurt Russell, Mickey Rooney (maybe), Roddy McDowell, even Alyssa Milano, and I'm forgetting many but you get the idea."<br /><br />Liz Talor, fcol. She didn't always have a 40 in. bust. The talent increased also, imo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82886502103075431342014-04-27T09:52:23.771-07:002014-04-27T09:52:23.771-07:00"In her memoir, Temple says Arthur Freed, the..."In her memoir, Temple says Arthur Freed, the producer of "The Wizard of Oz," exposed himself to her in his office after remarking that she was not a little girl anymore. She was 11 or 12 years old.<br /><br />Hollywood. Always classy'<br /><br />Nevertheless, the preternaturally self-possessed Shirley had the wit to laugh at him, which made him angrily kick her out of his office. Best thing that ever happened to her, show-biz-wise, after the age of 7.dcitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28948903045841519122014-04-27T09:42:56.719-07:002014-04-27T09:42:56.719-07:00Truly wonderful movie.
http://www.youtube.com/wat...Truly wonderful movie.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cio8LOCZPzw<br /><br />But why the hell was it rated R? Because it's mildly un-PC? <br /><br />http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2179116/parentalguide?ref_=tt_ql_7<br /><br />But the bloodfest LONE RANGER(blend of Tim Burton and Tarantino) was PG-13. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4464497376309159172014-04-27T04:30:43.097-07:002014-04-27T04:30:43.097-07:00I worked on a (b grade) movie as a student in the ...I worked on a (b grade) movie as a student in the eighties. The chimp was played by a little feller, in his late forties at least, called Deep Roy. <br /><br />There were rumours of child molestation, none the less. But that was down to a bigger star, since deceased.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46411912391300371372014-04-26T21:20:51.878-07:002014-04-26T21:20:51.878-07:00Mr Sailer,
Some days I thing: you're the best...Mr Sailer,<br /><br />Some days I thing: you're the best!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89337563373732529472014-04-26T20:27:35.978-07:002014-04-26T20:27:35.978-07:00"The Catholic Church was a particularly juicy..."The Catholic Church was a particularly juicy target for sex-abuse lawsuits due to its two-thousand-year history as a centralized, deep-pocketed organization. In contrast, the entertainment industry is dispersed and amorphous."<br /><br />And, of course, the entertainment business isn't exactly...........Catholic. Yet, I'm sure that has nothing to do with it.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63759057732141273072014-04-26T19:38:29.703-07:002014-04-26T19:38:29.703-07:00"""The Freed incident:
"What ..."""The Freed incident:<br /><br />"What Fox had dropped, MGM picked up eight months later. But the little girl was now entering adolescence. On her first visit to MGM, Mrs. Black wrote in her autobiography, the producer Arthur Freed unzipped his trousers and exposed himself to her. Being innocent of male anatomy, she responded by giggling, and he threw her out of his office." """"<br /><br /><br />So, they did have Selfies even waaay back then, pre-iphones.<br /><br />The things you learn, the things you learn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-11686379473097515242014-04-26T19:36:36.773-07:002014-04-26T19:36:36.773-07:00""""""Some facts reg...""""""Some facts regarding Shirley Temple:<br /><br />"In “Child Star,” her 1988 autobiography, Mrs. Black said her mother had made a “calculated decision” to turn her only daughter into a professional dancer. At a fee of 50 cents a week, Mrs. Temple enrolled 3-year-old Shirley in Mrs. Meglin’s Dance Studio."""<br /><br />Translation: Mrs. Temple was a Tiger Mom and remember, the early '30s were some of the Great Depression's worst years so 700 bucks wasn't too shabby for a 3-4yr old. <br /><br />And Shirley made good by '35 with her first 20th Century Fox films which catapalted her to fame.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86416181911667939202014-04-26T18:30:26.673-07:002014-04-26T18:30:26.673-07:00Freed bio:
"Arthur Freed (September 9, 1894 ...Freed bio:<br /><br />"Arthur Freed (September 9, 1894 – April 12, 1973) was born in Charleston, South Carolina. He was a Jewish[1] American lyricist and a Hollywood film producer.<br /><br /><br />Freed began his career as a song-plugger and pianist in Chicago. After meeting Minnie Marx, he sang as part of the act of her sons, the Marx Brothers, on the vaudeville circuit, and also wrote material for the brothers.[2] He soon began to write songs, and was eventually hired by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer. For years, he wrote lyrics for numerous films, many set to music by Nacio Herb Brown.<br /><br />In 1939, after working (uncredited) in the role of associate producer[3] on The Wizard of Oz, he was promoted to being the head of his own unit within MGM, and helped elevate the studio to the leading creator of film musicals. His first solo credit as producer was the film version of Rodgers and Hart's smash Broadway musical Babes in Arms (also 1939), released only a few months after The Wizard of Oz. It starred Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland, and it was so successful that it ushered in a long series of "let's put on a show" "backyard" musicals, all starring Rooney and Garland.<br /><br />Freed brought an outstanding amount of talent from the Broadway theaters to the MGM soundstages including Vincente Minnelli, Betty Comden, Adolph Green, Roger Edens, Kay Thompson, Zero Mostel, June Allyson, Nancy Walker, Charles Walters, orchestrators Conrad Salinger, Johnny Green, Lennie Hayton, and many others.<br /><br />He also helped shape the careers of stars including Gene Kelly, Frank Sinatra, Red Skelton, Lena Horne, Jane Powell, Esther Williams, Kathryn Grayson, Howard Keel, Cyd Charisse, Ann Miller, Vera-Ellen, and many others. He brought Fred Astaire to MGM after Astaire's tenure at RKO and coaxed him out of semi-retirement to star with Garland in Easter Parade. His team of writers, directors, composers and stars produced a steady stream of popular, critically acclaimed musicals until the late 1950s.<br /><br />He allowed his directors and choreographers free rein, something unheard of in those days of committee-produced film musicals, and is credited for furthering the boundaries of film musicals by allowing such moments in films as the fifteen-minute ballet at the end of An American in Paris (1951), after which the film concludes moments later with no further dialogue or singing, and he allowed the musical team of Lerner and Loewe complete control in their writing of Gigi (1958).<br /><br />According to Hugh Fordin's book The World of Entertainment, however, Freed did have a hand in the stage-to-screen adaptation of at least one of MGM's musicals, the 1951 Technicolor remake of Kern and Hammerstein's stage classic, "Show Boat". It was Freed who disagreed with the original structure of the show's second act, in which more than twenty years pass between most of the act and the final three scenes of the musical. He felt that it made for a lack of drama in the story, and so, together with screenwriter John Lee Mahin, Freed hit upon the idea of having the gambler Gaylord Ravenal leave his wife Magnolia while both are still young and Magnolia is expecting a baby, and then having Julie, the half-black actress who is forced to leave the boat because of her mixed race background, be the person who brings Ravenal and Magnolia back together again after a separation of only a few years rather than twenty. And it was Freed who cast Ava Gardner in the role of Julie.[4]wo of his films won the Academy Award for Best Picture: An American in Paris and Gigi. On the night that An American in Paris won Best Picture, Freed received an Honorary Oscar, and his version of Show Boat was also up for two Oscars that year, though it lost both to An American in Paris. But what is now his most highly regarded film, Singin' in the Rain (1952), won no Oscars whatsoever, nor was it nominated for more (e.g. Best Picture, Best Director, etc.). He was inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame in 1972."<br /><br /><br /><br />(WIKIPEDIA)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43299227347812453602014-04-26T18:26:10.547-07:002014-04-26T18:26:10.547-07:00The Freed incident:
"What Fox had dropped, M...The Freed incident:<br /><br />"What Fox had dropped, MGM picked up eight months later. But the little girl was now entering adolescence. On her first visit to MGM, Mrs. Black wrote in her autobiography, the producer Arthur Freed unzipped his trousers and exposed himself to her. Being innocent of male anatomy, she responded by giggling, and he threw her out of his office."<br /><br />(NYTIMES obit)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41962073048464585742014-04-26T18:23:42.942-07:002014-04-26T18:23:42.942-07:00Some facts regarding Shirley Temple:
"In “Ch...Some facts regarding Shirley Temple:<br /><br />"In “Child Star,” her 1988 autobiography, Mrs. Black said her mother had made a “calculated decision” to turn her only daughter into a professional dancer. At a fee of 50 cents a week, Mrs. Temple enrolled 3-year-old Shirley in Mrs. Meglin’s Dance Studio.<br /><br />In 1932, Shirley was spotted by an agent from Educational Pictures and chosen to appear in “Baby Burlesks,” a series of sexually suggestive one-reel shorts in which children played all the roles. The 4- and 5-year-old children wore fancy adult costumes that ended at the waist. Below the waist, they wore diapers with oversize safety pins. In these heavy-handed parodies of well-known films like “The Front Page” (“The Runt Page”) and “What Price Glory” (“War Babies”), Shirley imitated Marlene Dietrich, Mae West and — wearing an off-the-shoulder blouse and satin garter as a hard-boiled French bar girl in “War Babies” — Dolores del Río.<br /><br />Continue reading the main story<br />When any of the two dozen children in “Baby Burlesks” misbehaved, they were locked in a windowless sound box with only a block of ice on which to sit. “So far as I can tell, the black box did no lasting damage to my psyche,” Mrs. Black wrote in “Child Star.” “Its lesson of life, however, was profound and unforgettable. Time is money. Wasted time means wasted money means trouble.”<br /><br />“Baby Burlesks” was followed by five two-reel comedies and a year of casting calls and bit-part auditions that garnered young Shirley half a dozen small roles. By Thanksgiving 1933 she was growing older. She was 5 ½, and in the previous two years she had earned a total of $702.50. Her mother did the sensible thing: she shaved a year off her daughter’s age. Shirley would be shocked to discover, at a party for her 12th birthday in April 1941, that she was actually 13." <br /><br />(NYTIMES obit)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87188058419943146132014-04-26T18:19:14.981-07:002014-04-26T18:19:14.981-07:00Whiskey:"Steve -- There are a number of Holly...Whiskey:"Steve -- There are a number of Hollywood kid actors who have done fine, starting with Shirley Temple Black and running through Kurt Russell, Sarah Michelle Gellar, and Jonah Hill.<br /><br />The key is: non-predatory or dependent parents, non-substance abusing parents, and parents who keep their kids away from sleazeball managers, agents, casting directors, and companies (particularly Disney)."<br /><br />You do know that Kurt Russell worked for Disney as a child actor, right? Of course, one could argue that things were different when Walt was around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35578008745042300342014-04-26T18:16:21.806-07:002014-04-26T18:16:21.806-07:00Whiskey:"The key is: non-predatory or depende...Whiskey:"The key is: non-predatory or dependent parents, non-substance abusing parents, and parents who keep their kids away from sleazeball managers, agents, casting directors, and companies"<br /><br />And how, exactly, are we going to weed out predatory and dependent parents? Drug and alcohol addicted parents? How are we going to ensure that parents keep their children away from sleazy agents, etc?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24519084646244123902014-04-26T17:55:41.526-07:002014-04-26T17:55:41.526-07:00There are three sorts of child stars:
1) The genu...There are three sorts of child stars:<br /><br />1) The genuine talents, the ones who stay in the business for decades, either top tier or middle.<br /><br />Jodi Foster, Ron Howard, Dean Stockwell, Robert Blake, Kurt Russell, Mickey Rooney (maybe), Roddy McDowell, even Alyssa Milano, and I'm forgetting many but you get the idea.<br /><br />2) The genuine child stars, the ones who are amazingly cute, amazingly talented, but lose something as puberty hits, and grow up to lead fairly normal lives. <br /><br />Shirley Temple, Kid who played Timmy in the Lassie films, Jane Withers, Jerry Mathers, Fred Savage, the Hickman brothers, about half of the Disney child stars and a ton of supporting players (the kids from Family Ties, Cosby show, Malcolm in the Middle), Virginia Weidler, Margaret O'Brien, the Cartwright sisters, Larry Matthews, etc.<br /><br />3) The kids who were cute, lost something as puberty hit, and went nuts--or just had trouble adjusting. These kids were also more likely to be exploited.<br /><br />Haley Joel Osment, Mackenzie Caulkin, Robert Blake (the middle years), Mickey Rooney (ditto), Lindsay Lohan, all the kids from that show with Gary Coleman (Different strokes), Bobby Driscoll, Corey Haim, Jonathan Brandis, Brandon de Wilde, most of the kids from Our Gang, the other half of the kids from TV shows.<br /><br /> I'm leaving out the kids who actually became stars as teens (Jason Bateman, Michael J. Fox, Miley Cyrus)<br /><br />We tend to hear of the bad ones, but a lot of the kids had perfectly normal lives even after stardom passed. Kind of sad to deprive them of that opportunity.Education Realisthttp://educationrealist.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69474728187058118372014-04-26T17:29:27.768-07:002014-04-26T17:29:27.768-07:00Former child star Mara Wilson has also predicted t...Former child star Mara Wilson has also predicted the elimination of child actors in the future. I just don't see it. Remember, the number of movies with "child stars" is a fraction of those with child actors. Make a mental list of your five or ten favorite movies - maybe none had child stars in the pejorative sense, but probably most of them at some point had a child in a speaking role. <br /><br />You could go down the AFI list. Citizen Kane? A kid played Kane as a boy and then later Kane's own son also appeared. Both roles were very brief - replacing them with CGI would likely be a bothersome expense. It's not as if a true pedophile wouldn't find people to hunt down elsewhere. It sounds like security theater.<br />James Kabalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02335302113772004687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-51657590860901663012014-04-26T16:45:57.884-07:002014-04-26T16:45:57.884-07:00That is a good point, JayMan, yet why take chances...That is a good point, JayMan, yet why take chances with the lives of children? If their lives will turn out shitty anyway, then it doesn't matter. But i personally believe there is such a thing as a personality who is otherwise more or less normal, but who cannot bear too much fame and money at a too early age. And I think it's even widespread.reiner Torhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07870196532441237336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56404747573250011832014-04-26T16:41:12.197-07:002014-04-26T16:41:12.197-07:00An even better idea would be to get the news not t...An even better idea would be to get the news not through TV, but instead using an electronic network from different news sources. You might even be able to download TV shows or movies through the same network. I'm not sure how realistic my idea is, but I already have name for it: interwebs.reiner Torhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07870196532441237336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48727154282941934932014-04-26T16:30:23.883-07:002014-04-26T16:30:23.883-07:00The problem with looking at the poor outcomes of s...The problem with looking at the poor outcomes of some child stars and blaming their lives in the spotlight is one of the classic problems in social science: how do we determine causation? Child stars are pretty damned exceptional people. Such unusual people are going to have unusual lives. Indeed, as per Greg Cochran's post <a href="http://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/01/21/intellectual-ambergris/" rel="nofollow">Intellectual Ambergris</a>, many of these people have psychological disorders that enables their artistic ability. Sure, we can argue that being a child star is an upbringing highly outside the norm, and it is, but before we are sure that that life is in and of itself the problem, we may want to rule out troubles that comes from within in these child stars. JayManhttp://jaymans.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com