tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post839047462754043358..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Jared Taylor's "White Identity"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger169125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-58087379931284554662011-05-18T14:46:45.836-07:002011-05-18T14:46:45.836-07:00"If the MSM told the truth, the whole truth a..."If the MSM told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about crime the multicult would crumble within six months."<br /><br />Including the crime in the Middle East? white people pull of hundreds of murders DAILY there you know.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79733867650580073992011-05-18T08:46:04.013-07:002011-05-18T08:46:04.013-07:00"Jews as the great stumbling-block of white u..."Jews as the great stumbling-block of white unity does not pass the smell test."<br /><br />If the MSM told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about crime the multicult would crumble within six months.<br /><br />Nobody would be arguing over Obamacare if they realised they were being ethnically cleansed block by block.Wandrinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62751722526692621862011-05-17T18:49:11.295-07:002011-05-17T18:49:11.295-07:00Now I'm trying to remember the fart jokes from...Now I'm trying to remember the fart jokes from <i>Idiocracy</i>. I can't remember any, but I bet they were "meta" or "ironic" or whatever you call it, putting it in the running for "worst example ever," right up there with <i>Tropic Thunder</i>.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14716470606562494472011-05-17T18:43:37.450-07:002011-05-17T18:43:37.450-07:00But unlike Steve, of course, Taylor is "taken...But unlike Steve, of course, Taylor is "taken seriously," lol.Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-83417853700069413852011-05-17T18:42:32.562-07:002011-05-17T18:42:32.562-07:00Man, Taylor may write a good book, but his website...Man, Taylor may write a good book, but his website <i>sucks</i>. He should just disable comments. That place is turgid. They should rename it to "American Retirees" or something. <br /><br /><i>You're too old and too dark for my mom.</i><br /><br />Very funny. Is this where I go back to the tragic mulatto thing?<br /><br />Hey, anybody seen this yet?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/02/members-of-el-nazi-kidnapping-ring.html" rel="nofollow">Members of "El Nazi" Kidnapping Ring Apprehended</a>Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71123259990106750182011-05-17T18:36:27.942-07:002011-05-17T18:36:27.942-07:00Jews as the great stumbling-block of white unity d...Jews as the great stumbling-block of white unity does not pass the smell test. Regardless of what Jews did in the past to establish modern political ideologies, now there cannot be unity between white gentiles because you cannot unite the Conservatives and the devotees of the environmentally sustainable nanny state. Get rid of Jewish leaders in both movements, and they will carry on as usual. Maybe the nanny-staters will get even dumber in their rhetoric and maybe Conservatives will care about Israel less. But you are not going to get a yota more of unity.<br /><br />So if you want unity, unite those people whose worldview is at least borderline similar to your own and forget about the other hundred million white people. What Jews will, or will be allowed, to join which camp will not make much of a difference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87604540247798869642011-05-17T17:33:16.230-07:002011-05-17T17:33:16.230-07:00"Do you think that whites in America share a ..."Do you think that whites in America share a common identity? Or know much about the Founding Fathers?"<br /><br />That's why you gotta WORK ON IT. Even after the revolution, most Americans primarily defined themselves in terms of state origin: Virginian, Georgian, etc. <br />They all became Americans because of the creation of a narrative of shared American destiny. <br /><br />One of the reasons why Indians were so ineffective against the white man was because they were divided along tribal lines and couldn't form a shared/broad identity. Thus, it was easy for the white man to play divide-and-conquer with the red man. <br /> <br />Similarly, blacks in slave ships couldn't unite to fight white slavers cuz blacks came from various backgrounds and didn't speak the same language or eyed each other with hostility/suspicion. <br />But over time, there did develop a shared black identity and a broad American Indian identity. <br /><br />Identity if half-organic, half-mythic. It's organic in the sense that some identities are more natural--same race, language, nationality, etc. Prussia-dominated Germany was more organic than the Austro-Hungarian Empire made up of various ethnic groups. But, all communities are partly imagined, mythic, created. It depends on how the organic elements of a people are united and characterized as a larger entity. And this requires creativity, will, leadership, vision. <br /><br />Anglos did a better job of it in the North Americas than Latins in South America. But then, Anglos, other than being politically more creative and energetic, had a more viably organic community to work with as North America was majority white. Latins in South America were a minority surrounded by indigenous folks. So, they were more ambivalent about nationalism since masses of non-white indigenes might use nationalism to overthrow white minority elite power. <br /><br />In fact, I'm surprised that the small white elites ruled as long as they did in so many Latin American nations,. Maybe South American indigenes are by nature a more submissive people. Maybe mestizo-ization and mulatto-ization undermined the possibility of a strong united adversial movement against the alien elite--white conquerors. Well, it may explain why Jews want to mix the races as much as possible in the US.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7624557098744998082011-05-17T17:02:56.211-07:002011-05-17T17:02:56.211-07:00A common idenitity can be constructed. For example...<i>A common idenitity can be constructed. For example, majority of whites in the US are not Anglo(but immigrants who arrived considerably later), but they share in the Founding Father myth.</i> <br /><br />Do you think that whites in America share a common identity? Or know much about the Founding Fathers?Severnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84238923445680852882011-05-17T16:28:52.472-07:002011-05-17T16:28:52.472-07:00"Maybe we should name the white race after so..."Maybe we should name the white race after some great figure in Western culture."<br /><br />I vote, "The Steven Hawkings."<br /><br />-----------<br /><br />So, should the West be called 'Steverse', i.e. universe of the steven race?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42047523222003737202011-05-17T15:34:18.279-07:002011-05-17T15:34:18.279-07:00"Your mom doesn't count?"
You'r..."Your mom doesn't count?"<br /><br />You're too old and too dark for my mom.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32686604019740295552011-05-17T15:21:39.772-07:002011-05-17T15:21:39.772-07:00Maybe we should name the white race after some gre...<i>Maybe we should name the white race after some great figure in Western culture. After all, race is biologically about blood and culturally about spirit. Geographic naming of a race makes less sense today cuz of huge demographic shifts.[...]<br /><br />Take Odysseus[...]<br /><br />Another candidate would be King Arthur[...]</i><br /><br />I like it. And Steve's suggestion for "Odyssean" for the whole and "Arthurian" for the subset. Romantic sap that I am.Rohan Sweenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31618820298781868192011-05-17T14:42:05.608-07:002011-05-17T14:42:05.608-07:00Usually that requires having had sex.
Your mom do...<i>Usually that requires having had sex.</i><br /><br />Your mom doesn't count?Svigorhttp://majorityrights.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28421957319986766722011-05-17T14:09:00.578-07:002011-05-17T14:09:00.578-07:00"Sailer should make better use of his talents..."Sailer should make better use of his talents and move back to Houston and become a champion of secession and white seperatism."<br /><br />LOL. The jokes on you. If you read Steve and actually think of what position he is for, he might be a plant by the NAACP. As a republican conservative (is he really conservative?), HBD can only be a tool for progressivism (or just a fun gimmick to make some coin). That's what Steve is - a progressive/conservative. Or maybe he's just a greedy, lazy absurdist WASP who's come to peace with American declinist corruption. But, I say again, you've all been had.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27724383615295959732011-05-17T12:27:58.896-07:002011-05-17T12:27:58.896-07:00"Maybe we should name the white race after so..."Maybe we should name the white race after some great figure in Western culture."<br /><br />I vote, "The Steven Hawkings."Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50122449297403972702011-05-17T12:26:43.235-07:002011-05-17T12:26:43.235-07:00"Uh, Sport, you thought Judge put the fart jo..."Uh, Sport, you thought Judge put the fart jokes in there to be "funny?"<br /><br /><br />Well, that was one of my general preconceptions about commedic films.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-85581221354737006352011-05-17T11:56:28.365-07:002011-05-17T11:56:28.365-07:00I kind of like that idea of "Odyssean race&qu...I kind of like that idea of "Odyssean race" for all Caucasians and "Arthurian race" for northern Europeans.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36047829118696717832011-05-17T11:21:59.066-07:002011-05-17T11:21:59.066-07:00"One huge blind spot in Sailer's theory r...<i>"One huge blind spot in Sailer's theory regarding the importance of Jews in determining American policy: The same policies are implemented across the entire Western World, even in countries where Jews are a tiny minority with negligible influence."<br /><br />You know that's a lie.</i><br /><br />Wandrin,<br /><br />Expanding on that: this person is falling for the fallacy that "Jews are a tiny minority, therefore they have negligible influence". This is obviously untrue, as anyone who has educated himself beyond a mere public school history education will be well aware: small minorities always have much greater influence then the majority. The democratic fallacy is that numbers count for everything in politics, but this doesn't even hold true in actual democracies: majorities may have more votes, but their opinions and views are shaped by the people who control the flow of information and the flow of money, and they have ALWAYS been a tiny minority. Jews are just the latest minority that happens to be in control.<br /><br />The other fallacy this person is falling for, is the fallacy that the changes in policy (non-white immigration, cultural Marxist PC, etc) in Europe are unrelated to the changes in these same policies in the USA; so if Jews changed American immigration, for instance, and imposed cultural Marxism via the universities, someone else must have changed these things in Europe. This is false for two reasons: one, Jews are very well over-represented in power in many Western European countries (especially France and Britain), and, two, since WWII the USA has had immense influence (seen and unseen) over the internal politics of Western European countries. It doesn't matter if there are one or two or three or more layers of intermediaries between yourself and those who are ultimately in charge: the end result is the same. <br /><br />The fact that the policy changes on, for instance, immigration in Europe followed the American example, shows you who is really following who here, and who is setting the agenda. Likewise I am old enough to remember when British conservatives in the 1980s/90s were laughing at PC as an "American fad" yet now it is rampant in Britain too. The same people are responsible in both cases and you have to be pretty simple minded to believe that Jews have neglible power in Europe, either directly as European Jews, or indirectly via their power within the USA/USG/US academia/US corporations/US NGOs and foundations/US financial systems/NATO, etc. Lots and lots of wire pullers; Europe has been a US colony since the end of WWII but there are powerful blinders on both sides of the Atlantic which enourage people to pretend otherwise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6773780832532554862011-05-17T10:52:51.061-07:002011-05-17T10:52:51.061-07:00"White racial consciousness was considerably ...<i>"White racial consciousness was considerably stronger just a few decades ago. There was mass resistance to busing in the urban north just a few decades ago. Reagan used the Southern Strategy in his campaign. Even in the late 1980s, it was acceptable for Bush to bring up Willie Horton. In the mid 90s, Charles Murray was apart of the mainstream right."</i><br /><br />Not really. The mainstream right never championed The Bell Curve and has been avoiding any direct talk on the scientific facts of race at least since Buckley purged "the extremists" from the conservative movement in the 1950s/60s. Since that time, pro-whites have existed in the margins and have had little influence. <br /><br />The most the conservatives and the GOP have done is try to take advantage of "implicit whiteness" via things like the Southern Strategy and opposition to crime which was seen as code for black crime. But the right abandoned all attempts to either look objectively at race or to openly oppose cultural Marxism, and the result has been inevitable: they can't even defend implicit whiteness anymore, or even talk in code. They've swallowed the cultural Bolshevik kool-aid and now they simply can't do anything remotely pro-white, even things that would win them elections, like stopping illegal immigration or ending affirmative action.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67064333535410874772011-05-17T10:46:02.409-07:002011-05-17T10:46:02.409-07:00It could be Jews don't wanna really become par...It could be Jews don't wanna really become part of White Identity since so much of their identity--morally, historically, culturally, spiritually, etc--has been defined in terms of suffering under white goyim, pagan(Roman)and Christian(medieval to modern Europe). Jewish Identity is more historical than Christian Identity which is more eternalist or timeless. Jews define themselves as much by what happened as what will happen. Christians are happy with what is or shall be. <br /><br />Even as recently as 1940s, there was the Holocaust. And even as late as the early 70s, dimmer wasp law grads were favored over top Jewish law graduates by many prestigious law firms--if we believe Dershowitz in CHUTZPAH. <br /><br />Even if there's no sign of antisemitism in today's America and Europe, Jews have defined their nobility, moral superiority, specialness, and etc in terms of suffering and victimization and injustice at the hands of white goyim. <br />Even though Jews don't want to be persecuted or oppressed, they wanna maintain the cult of persecution and oppression. It is too much of a part of their identity, heritage, moral pride and self-aggrandizement. If they were to fully join the white club, they would lose that sense of specialness. <br /><br />It's like when a rebel rocker punk strikes it rich-and-famous, he still wants to maintain that aura as an outsider/outcast/rebel since that was the essence of his identity and source of pride(and self-pity) in the wilderness. <br /><br />Today, the Left has become the establishment but still maintains the cult of the avant-garde and pretend that they are sticking it to the Man when they are indeed the Man(and Woman and Gay). <br /><br />Imagine this alternative scenario of the Resurrection of Jesus. Jesus returns back to Earth but Romans and Jews all apologize, hug Him, beg His forgiveness, and throw Him a big party. They even offer Him the key to the city and temple and offer Him the title of hononary Jew and Roman. <br />Would Jesus have accepted? His whole identity of nobility and superiority was based on His suffering at the hands of man. If He accepts, He is no longer what He is. It's like in THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST where Jesus realizes He must choose the fate on the cross to become the Messiah. <br /><br />Also, keep in mind that it was not enough for early Christians to be accepted, tolerated, or embraced by Pagan Romans. They didn't want to be part of Pagan Rome but to change it. They felt morally superior. To join Pagan Rome would have been selling out to Satan. <br /><br />Similary, Jews or the modern Jewsus, filled with moral pride and sanctimony, cannot be satisfied with being welcomed to the larger white goy community. It would be like selling their soul to the Devil who made them suffer through the ages. No, the ONLY peace with white goy community that Jews can accept is to convert them to the Jewish Ideology and Agenda, just like Early Christians could only be content with Pagan Rome becoming Christian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18859571751613724732011-05-17T10:24:16.294-07:002011-05-17T10:24:16.294-07:00Most white kids are not political but wanna have f...Most white kids are not political but wanna have fun, and it just so happens that they are less likely to alarm people if they remain within PC codes. <br />Suppose you go to a dance club--with all sorts of races and peoples, etc--and say, 'I think everybody is cool and I love Obama and jazz'. You're cool, you're hip, you're anti-'racist'. But suppose you say, 'I think racial differences exist, I think Western Civ is in danger, and white people should develop their own identity'. It just aint cool. <br /><br />So, the real power that the liberal elites has isn't over our minds but over our mindlessnesses. The elites wanna control what we FEEL--as a kind of vibe--than what we THINK about real issues cuz real thought undermines PC. <br /><br />The issue of coolness was why Madonna-Paglia-ism won over radical feminism. Radical feminism in the late 60s and early 70s was kinda cool, but then the dour/sour lesbo sisterhood took over--the kind of women with overalls and no makeup. Girls got fed up with this, what with fat-butted hags telling them not to wear make-up and call everything 'rape'. This is where Paglia saw an opening and called for a new kind of ass-shake, partying, and cool feminism, which became the new thing. So, even feminists today try to be 'cool and hip and sexy'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16402265421013401812011-05-17T10:02:01.060-07:002011-05-17T10:02:01.060-07:00Since so much of Jewish Identity has been formed a...Since so much of Jewish Identity has been formed as a kind of resistance against Pagan and Christian White community--Rome's sack of the Temple, Christian antisemitism, pogroms and exile, ghetto, dangers of conversion and assimiliation(even when goyim are nice), anti-Jewish laws, Holocaust, etc--, Jews may fear a loss of something uniquely Jewish if they really felt comfortable in the land of goyim. <br />Jews don't want to be persecuted but the cult of persecution is key to Jewish pride, nobility, and identity. And they might fear losing it if they become just another member of the white club. <br /><br />It's like a rebelious rocker punk loses something essential to his identity when he strikes it rich and famous and becomes just another member of the successful-folks-club. So, even with his fame an riches, he tries to maintain some kind of 'rebel' myth. This is true of the Left in general. They are now the Establishment but put on the 'adversarial underdog' act.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66077412862960784582011-05-17T09:55:40.318-07:002011-05-17T09:55:40.318-07:00Funny paradox about Jews is they are so 'liber...Funny paradox about Jews is they are so 'liberal' because of their profound elephantine memory. <br />We generaly associate historical memory with conservatism--remembrance and interest in one's past and heritage--and looking-ahead(into the future)with liberalism. <br /><br />But, in American at least, the most amnesiac people tend to be conservative while the most memorisiac people tend to be liberal. If Jews weren't into books, history, ideas, archival research, etc, they would forget about past suffering and look at all the good stuff(or stuffering) they got in America. But Jews REMEMBER and their history was one of living/suffering under white Christian goyim. They cannot let this go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57546992838161037162011-05-17T09:45:12.595-07:002011-05-17T09:45:12.595-07:00OT
Fascinating flick. Romy was a goddess.
http:...OT<br /><br />Fascinating flick. Romy was a goddess. <br /><br />http://movies.nytimes.com/2009/06/12/movies/12combat.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60373655397163869072011-05-17T09:39:24.471-07:002011-05-17T09:39:24.471-07:00"Bill hits the important point, that a common..."Bill hits the important point, that a common identity is usually based on shared suffering or a shared struggle. Or at a bare minimum, some shared experience. White Americans don't have that, yet."<br /><br />Not really true. A common idenitity can be constructed. For example, majority of whites in the US are not Anglo(but immigrants who arrived considerably later), but they share in the Founding Father myth. <br /><br />White Hispanics were the oppressors of indigenous native peoples, but they constructed a narrative where they too are victims of white 'racism/imperialism'. <br /><br />Recent African immigrants had ancestors who sold black slaves to whites, but they share in the same 'we poor blacks enslaved by whites' narrative.<br /><br />And Hellenic culture and Christianaity didn't originated in Northern Europe, but N. Europeans came to powerfully identify with Ancient Greeks and Early Christians. <br /><br />So, 'shared identity' can be constructed. It all depends on how mythically creative you are. <br />Take 'people of color' which unites an Amazonian Indian with an Arab(though Arabs are culturally, racially, and historically close to whites). <br />Maybe we need to call white folks the 'people of light' since they are light-skinned and did most to attain the light of liberty and truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54350860371513045892011-05-17T08:59:04.670-07:002011-05-17T08:59:04.670-07:00>tribal identity is still strong among much of ...>tribal identity is still strong among much of Asia -- so strong in fact that attempts to destroy Asian families via feminism and mass media haven't been nearly as successful as they were in the West. The deities of Confucianism are ancestral Chinese. Jewry and China will come to loggerheads<<br /><br />Hate to break it to you, but Marxism had a certain effect on China last century. I believe Asian gentiles will fall for anything, just like white gentiles do.<br /><br />Anecdotally, all Asian women of my acquaintance are outspoken about their ambition to marry Jewish men, basically, as they themselves say, on status/financial grounds.<br /><br />Don't bet the farm on the Great Yellow Hope. It wouldn't surprise me to learn the elite is thoroughly interbred.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com