tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post8445131107306460904..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Illegal immigration is impossible to stop (except in Israel)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger78125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71552654719470209352012-11-06T00:43:32.024-08:002012-11-06T00:43:32.024-08:00Silver isn't exactly a big Zionist firster, in...<i>Silver isn't exactly a big Zionist firster, in any case.</i><br /><br />Thanks, Bob. Reading that, I was so touched to be defended from the racial right I was even willing to overlook the backhanded nature of the compliment. Then, just as I decided that I can't let that go by unremarked, it occurred to me that "isn't exactly" qualifies as supremely ironic supreme understatement. Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4513630138667168392012-11-06T00:18:06.610-08:002012-11-06T00:18:06.610-08:00I don't think Mearsheimer is entitled to a per...<i>I don't think Mearsheimer is entitled to a perch on the NYT. When I met him at the AmConMag "dinner" I also came away with the impression that he has a very shallow understanding of domestic politics. </i><br /><br />But who doesn't, even among the highly intelligent? I remember speaking with Lord Ridley about the controversial "conservative" political implications of the conclusion of his wonderful book <i>The Origins of Virtue: Human Instincts and the Evolution of Cooperation </i>. His response was to say something moderately positive about Margaret Thatcher.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71493274890154476802012-11-05T23:53:26.740-08:002012-11-05T23:53:26.740-08:00Whiskey, how is Israel getting away with this? Wh...Whiskey, how is Israel getting away with this? Where are the furious denunciations?ATBOTLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59284627053111430932012-11-05T16:09:04.642-08:002012-11-05T16:09:04.642-08:00I don't think Mearsheimer is entitled to a per...I don't think Mearsheimer is entitled to a perch on the NYT. When I met him at the AmConMag "dinner" I also came away with the impression that he has a very shallow understanding of domestic politics. I commented on his contributions to the NYT just as evidence of a change. I agree with the prior commenter that the NYT had some pro-war folks, but was not pro-war on the whole. Staunchly supporting Israel (even while opposing things like settlements) is a more bipartisan policy than the Iraq war was, so Mearsheimer was able to publish an anti-war op-ed while "The Israel Lobby" removed him from what Jay Rosen (egads, another liberal!) would call the "sphere of legitimate controversy" and into the "sphere of deviance".TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-70155330171907578682012-11-05T14:22:18.839-08:002012-11-05T14:22:18.839-08:00Mexico's GDP is $1.6 trillion. Not "15 or...Mexico's GDP is $1.6 trillion. Not "15 or 16 trillion."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43728525354091719612012-11-05T10:19:23.854-08:002012-11-05T10:19:23.854-08:00I didn't write it at all. I quoted it. Please...I didn't write it at all. I quoted it. Please check above.<br /><br />Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89095823570807709232012-11-05T07:39:04.638-08:002012-11-05T07:39:04.638-08:00Silver was quoting that; he didn't write it. S...Silver was quoting that; he didn't write it. Silver isn't exactly a big Zionist firster, in any case.Bob Arctornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-50038680603038775772012-11-05T07:09:19.068-08:002012-11-05T07:09:19.068-08:00"Silver said...
""Bingo. I wonder ..."Silver said...<br /><br />""Bingo. I wonder if people like Silver are beginning to recognize that their line of bulls**t isn't selling as well anymore?""<br /><br />Excuse me?"<br /><br />I mean the whole "Well, Israel is different because,...........it's just different." line.<br /><br />By the way, did you mistakenly write that the amount of trade with Mexico is $200 trillion, or did you purposefully write that? Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-25208639072703672362012-11-05T00:03:30.991-08:002012-11-05T00:03:30.991-08:00Bingo. I wonder if people like Silver are beginnin...<i>Bingo. I wonder if people like Silver are beginning to recognize that their line of bulls**t isn't selling as well anymore?</i><br /><br />Excuse me?<br /><br />Silvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66286394035327029872012-11-04T21:02:13.396-08:002012-11-04T21:02:13.396-08:00Here is Abe Foxman, coming to Israel to lobby for ...<i>Here is Abe Foxman, coming to Israel to lobby for their equivalent of the DREAM act. (Israeli government eventually caved.)<br /><br />http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=192045 </i><br /><br />That's a nice comeback and it is somewhat surprising to see Foxman lobby the Israelis over these foreign children. But, and there is a but to this. <br /><br />According to the story, <i>"Foxman made clear that he respected Israel’s sovereign right to determine its immigration policies,..."</i>, and that,<i> "...the ADL issued a statement calling on the government to “gather in” the 400 children of foreign workers who failed to meet its criteria for permanent residence and allow them to stay...". </i><br /><br />So when we get down to it, Foxman is talking about letting 400 kids remain who might otherwise be deported. Four hundred will have absolutely zero demographic effect upon Israel. So comparing this to the DREAM Act which would involved millions of kids in the USA is not apt. <br /><br />I would like to see Foxman and others treat Israel like they do the USA. So if this is the start of him calling for open borders, fine. But this could be just a gimmick given that he is only lobbying for 400 hundred kids which he knows will have absolutely no effect on the Jewish State.<br /><br />Time will tell. When he starts to push for demographic changing immigration for Israel, then I will eat crow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53150368943248130172012-11-04T20:28:04.530-08:002012-11-04T20:28:04.530-08:00"Am I the only one who has never heard of Pat...<i>"Am I the only one who has never heard of Pat Brown?"</i><br /><br />I certainly hope so. Pretty hard to understand what Steve and others like Victor Hanson are writing about if you don't have some background knowledge.<br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Brown" rel="nofollow">Pat Brown</a><br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Brown" rel="nofollow">Jerry Brown</a><br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Brown" rel="nofollow">Kathleen Brown</a>CJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81585956905368050482012-11-04T20:25:13.571-08:002012-11-04T20:25:13.571-08:00You guys turn into a bunch of socialists when the ...You guys turn into a bunch of socialists when the subject turns to sex and Mearsheimer. Is Mearshemier entitled to contribute to the NYT? Mearsheimer made the same mistake Pat Buchanan made he thought that the liberals liked him really liked him when really he was just a blunt tool to smear a Republican president.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18297962937372881272012-11-04T20:19:15.826-08:002012-11-04T20:19:15.826-08:00Show us the evidence.
Here is Abe Foxman, coming ...<i>Show us the evidence.</i><br /><br />Here is Abe Foxman, coming to Israel to lobby for their equivalent of the DREAM act. (Israeli government eventually caved.)<br /><br />http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=192045 Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52984544139441867902012-11-04T20:15:08.886-08:002012-11-04T20:15:08.886-08:00It was only after prolonged, violent demonstration...<i>It was only after prolonged, violent demonstrations by south Tel Aviv residents that the government finally started doing something about the African immigrants.</i><br /><br />Yeah. Show me anti-immigration riots in America. Heck, show me even a mild civil disturbance.<br /><br />Americans just don't care about this. And no, answering a poll question in the affirmative does not constitute caring.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23353798157737626822012-11-04T18:52:13.129-08:002012-11-04T18:52:13.129-08:00This is from Philip Weiss and fro 2008, so grain o...<a href="http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/today-i-talked.html" rel="nofollow">This</a> is from Philip Weiss and fro 2008, so grain of salt, but apparently Mearsheimer used to contribute to the NYT somewhat frequently (including an op-ed with Walt arguing invading Iraq). He had about ten op-eds in the decade before that, and none since. I don't feel like dealing with the NYT paywall and seeing if that's changed since, but I invite others less lazy to do so.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4680619475784545162012-11-04T18:14:38.734-08:002012-11-04T18:14:38.734-08:00"Anonymous ben tillman said...
""O..."Anonymous ben tillman said...<br /><br />""Of course, Israel's outside borders are 659 km with neighbors who they have little trade with. The US-Mexico border is 3,141 km with $200 trillion in trade in 2011. Bit different.""<br /><br />Translation: They're Jews, and you're not. Big difference."<br /><br />Bingo. I wonder if people like Silver are beginning to recognize that their line of bulls**t isn't selling as well anymore?Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86923140463054635482012-11-04T18:11:47.301-08:002012-11-04T18:11:47.301-08:00"Beecher Asbury said...
I love how immigrati..."Beecher Asbury said...<br /><br />I love how immigration restrictionists must prove ahead of time that our plans are 100% effective, or they are dismissed as a waste of precious treasure. If a fence would only reduce illegal crossings by 20 to 50 percent, then we obviously can't do it."<br /><br />Good point. Well said.Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54162571298686692322012-11-04T18:05:14.366-08:002012-11-04T18:05:14.366-08:00"Silver said...
The US-Mexico border is 3,14..."Silver said...<br /><br />The US-Mexico border is 3,141 km with $200 trillion in trade in 2011. Bit different."<br /><br />$200 trillion? TRILLION? Bulls**t. The US GDP in 2011 was only about fifteen trillion.<br />Mr. Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8231455246167215992012-11-04T17:42:12.746-08:002012-11-04T17:42:12.746-08:00The power of a fence grows exponentially when comb...The power of a fence grows exponentially when combined with secure biometric ID. Right now, the cost of getting caught is not fatal because the data collected from border jumpers who are nabbed is not shared with social security. Once we tie fingerprints to getting a job the whole point of coming here will disappear for 90% of those trying to get in. Rather than just a barrier, a fence will also become a harvesting system to permanently brand the thumbs of people who try to sneak in. Prof. Wolandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-23656252782771426782012-11-04T16:44:04.775-08:002012-11-04T16:44:04.775-08:00Secondly, Mearsheimer didn't disappear down an...<i>Secondly, Mearsheimer didn't disappear down any memory hole. He received wall to wall coverage for his Israeli book and then went back to the relative obscurity characteristic of most FP scholars.</i><br /><br />Mearsheimer got wall to wall coverage? On what planet is this? I don't recall seeing him or his co-author on CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, or even PBS to discuss their book or discuss anything since their book, even though all these networks constantly promote elite professors with provocative books about important topics like war and foreign policy. That was a media blackout if ever I've seen one. If it weren't for the Internet, they would have been lucky to have sold a dozen copies in the U.S.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14560008617570860402012-11-04T16:19:41.417-08:002012-11-04T16:19:41.417-08:00"Solution: how do we make border security a l..."Solution: how do we make border security a leftist issue?"<br /><br />Money. <br /><br />Sierra Club WOULD have been our best friend (they used to, sensibly, understand that more people equals more scars on the land) but they were bought off by David Gelbaum, when he gave them 100 million dollars to never say another word about immigration, ever again. So they haven't.JSMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41289656004411538372012-11-04T16:03:14.942-08:002012-11-04T16:03:14.942-08:00Can we set two things straight. One the New York T...<i> <br />Can we set two things straight. One the New York Times with the exception of Judith Miller opposed the Iraq War. Do you guys not remember 30 straight front page stories about Abu Grahib. </i><br /><br />Dumping on Abu grahib was just their way of distancing themselves from the war they were so instrumental in starting:<br /><br />http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/15/165145/-NYTimes-Washington-Post-and-Tim-Russert-led-us-to-warNicedaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68381607708214115392012-11-04T15:14:33.704-08:002012-11-04T15:14:33.704-08:00Liberal American Jews are generally opposed to how...<i>Liberal American Jews are generally opposed to how Netanyahu has handled the immigration situation.</i><br /><br />Oh bullshit. Show us the evidence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68485562908926952122012-11-04T15:12:42.747-08:002012-11-04T15:12:42.747-08:00Public opinion polls almost always show 60 to 70% ...<i>Public opinion polls almost always show 60 to 70% of Americans want to reduce both illegal and legal immigration.</i><br /><br />I don't doubt the truth of this, but can you assist us by citing to a poll or survey?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21868707164214876442012-11-04T15:11:22.105-08:002012-11-04T15:11:22.105-08:00Secondly, Mearsheimer didn't disappear down an...<i>Secondly, Mearsheimer didn't disappear down any memory hole. He received wall to wall coverage for his Israeli book.</i><br /><br />No he didn't, not in the mainstream media. And any coverage he received there was negative.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com