tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post8550091103730974735..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: A Drinker's ParadiseUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32979685727362150462010-05-26T13:22:14.063-07:002010-05-26T13:22:14.063-07:00I thought nothing would surprise me about sociolog...<i>I thought nothing would surprise me about sociological realities but when I read Jack London's account of a year in London (England), the East End, I was surprised. And shocked. Shocked I tell you. No really, it was shocking.</i> <br /><br />I hate to burst a lot of bubbles around here [and I guess I ought to admit that I read a few of his short stories and novellas in my own childhood], but Jack London was a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_London#Political_views" rel="nofollow">virulent socialist propagandist</a>, so you have to consider the possibility that every single word he wrote was a lie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26950187981246015642010-05-26T08:06:59.290-07:002010-05-26T08:06:59.290-07:00"Some poor slob is actually responsible enoug..."Some poor slob is actually responsible enough to keep his job and stay married, and he's getting lectured because he drinks (and not very much by local standards, it appears)? Good lord, if I had to live in the Congo (yes, I know it isn't the the heart-of-darkness Congo, but still the Congo) and make chairs for a buck apiece I would have drank myself to death long ago. And so would most of the men in this thread, I'll bet."<br /><br />Same argument used everywhere else in the world, including the US of A, for excusing drunks. How about drunken women? My name is Slobovna in honor of my drunken mom. Isn't life s@#t for them too? More so in many ways, and they had no even such quasi-respectable outlet.<br />Every time and place has its pros and cons. The problem is not the drinking but that the drinking comforts him at the expense of the needs of his children. Newsflash to Africans and alcoholics throughout the world: you want to drink at the expense of depriving your children and being yourself a potential dependent, you don't have kids. Get sterilized. Pay people to get sterilized and pay extra to drunks and druggies.<br /> I think Indira Ghandi was on to something.<br />ps: in reference to "poor slob" who at least manages to do something to earn his bread and drink--just limit his progeny to one, "poor slobs" being a notch above "totally irresponsible slobs."slobonovnanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73325689887391484232010-05-26T07:57:24.246-07:002010-05-26T07:57:24.246-07:00"The White British working class went from ha..."The White British working class went from hard-scrabble but terribly respectable men and women, rarely drunk, certainly never in public, and clinging to middle class notions of respectability particularly wrt marriage and kids and selection of fathers, to what you see today in about fifty years."<br /><br />I thought nothing would surprise me about sociological realities but when I read Jack London's account of a year in London (England), the East End, I was surprised. And shocked. Shocked I tell you. No really, it was shocking. The society was a tab removed from Dickens since the little kids weren't working in factories, but the poverty, the living conditions, the mentality--it's hard to believe this was England 100 years ago. 100 years sounds like a long time, but I recall the Beatles era, mod London, etc., and the 3rd worlders described by Jack London were the parents and grandparents of the British rockers. Hard to square. So things improved. Birth control had a lot to do with that, as did less grueling physical labor, and indoor plumbing.<br /> It also has to do with percentages and that ineluctable IQ "mean" to which the races inevitably fall into. Even the dumbest whites or Asians not congenitally retarded have a better chance at generating kids and grandkids near the normal 100 IQ. Far fewer of the blacks on welfare will have offspring who even reach 100 IQ much less surpass it. Most of their descendants will remain below IQ 85. It's all in the percentages. Blacks in the higher IQ range have similar life outcomes to whites. In fact, they do better financially than whites with the same IQ. Society is so ecstactic to find reasonably bright blacks that they reward them far beyond what a white of the same calibre would get. Got to fill those quotas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28798877564565936962010-05-26T07:39:33.467-07:002010-05-26T07:39:33.467-07:00"Or, for that matter, who Bill Clinton's ..."Or, for that matter, who Bill Clinton's father was."<br /><br />At least we know where he was born and how he did in school, where he did it and what he did. We even know who he did it with on occasion.pearlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-27612412065013922972010-05-25T12:37:48.308-07:002010-05-25T12:37:48.308-07:00>And it's certainly a phenomenon which coul...>And it's certainly a phenomenon which could be incorporated into Whiskey's uber-theory.<<br /><br />That is a concession, not an argument.<br /><br />(Drop the "uber," though, and Whiskey is on to something.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20817954279912600872010-05-25T09:54:38.042-07:002010-05-25T09:54:38.042-07:00Wow Kristof is brave. I would bet that gets crushe...<i>Wow Kristof is brave. I would bet that gets crushed for this.</i><br /><br />This is not a brave column. His policy recommendation is that women get more control over their family's money. That is pretty much conventional wisdom now.keypusherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07176947522040838625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44875116504211965872010-05-25T04:14:33.535-07:002010-05-25T04:14:33.535-07:00Whether or not that was actually juniors father, O...<i>Whether or not that was actually juniors father, Obama senior lost his legs in a drunken crash against a large tree after leaving his usual watering hole. He died years later driving into that same tree.</i> <br /><br />I wonder if we will ever know who Obama's father was.<br /><br />Or, for that matter, who Bill Clinton's father was.<br /><br />It's weird that we keep getting these socio/psycho-pathic personalities from DEM politicians who aren't entirely certain of their parentage.<br /><br />I think maybe there's a larger lesson to be learned there, somewhere [maybe something about the importance of having a father in a boy's life, so as to help mold his character?]...<br /><br />And it's certainly a phenomenon which could be incorporated into Whiskey's uber-theory.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79185179736380286972010-05-24T22:03:10.081-07:002010-05-24T22:03:10.081-07:00To suggest African women withhold sex as a means o...To suggest African women withhold sex as a means of controlling male behavior betrays an amazing ignorance of African life, and I have not heard of a woman being so foolish as that. Common brutality is probably the single characteristic that most shapes minds there, and it is already apparent in the children. It substitutes cleverness for intelligence, and there can be no advance from that. <br /><br />Whether or not that was actually juniors father, Obama senior lost his legs in a drunken crash against a large tree after leaving his usual watering hole. He died years later driving into that same tree.xlbrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01931950075332608449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44690040126304082032010-05-24T21:41:21.477-07:002010-05-24T21:41:21.477-07:00@Christo:
What the hell happened to all the veter...@Christo:<br /><br />What the hell happened to all the veterans from the Namibia bush war between S. Africa and SWAPO?<br /><br />Especially the black ones, the Ovambos?AmericanGoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00865892490752172185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59150805344611088192010-05-24T21:00:45.387-07:002010-05-24T21:00:45.387-07:00ATBOTL - You didn't follow the link, did you?
...ATBOTL - <i>You didn't follow the link, did you?</i><br /><br />Which link?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-6846249721420264732010-05-24T20:57:16.487-07:002010-05-24T20:57:16.487-07:00Sir Francis Galton encouraged massive Chinese emig...<i>Sir Francis Galton encouraged massive Chinese emigration to Africa in order to supplant the native population.</i><br /><br />Even great men can have their clever-stupid moments.<br /><br />If he was really a racist, a cynical one, what he should have been doing was enouraging the settlement of Africans in China.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28320930439664371782010-05-24T19:02:15.533-07:002010-05-24T19:02:15.533-07:00"Some poor slob is actually responsible enoug..."Some poor slob is actually responsible enough to keep his job and stay married, and he's getting lectured because he drinks..."<br /><br />No, he's not being lectured. Nothing is happening, or will happen to him. Nothing, including progress, will ever happen to any of them. That's the point, as far as I can tell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7961299552088842632010-05-24T10:22:19.870-07:002010-05-24T10:22:19.870-07:00That Galton letter and the rejoinder from the othe...That Galton letter and the rejoinder from the other guy are quite the find. That kind of high Victorian unapologetic racism is strangely bracing as well as hilarious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79206680233863317742010-05-24T09:45:43.892-07:002010-05-24T09:45:43.892-07:00Some poor slob is actually responsible enough to k...Some poor slob is actually responsible enough to keep his job and stay married, and he's getting lectured because he drinks (and not very much by local standards, it appears)? Good lord, if I had to live in the Congo (yes, I know it isn't the the heart-of-darkness Congo, but still the Congo) and make chairs for a buck apiece I would have drank myself to death long ago. And so would most of the men in this thread, I'll bet.keypusherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07176947522040838625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74909708958400435982010-05-24T07:41:34.699-07:002010-05-24T07:41:34.699-07:00Wow Kristof is brave. I would bet that gets crush...Wow Kristof is brave. I would bet that gets crushed for this.JWOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00004178958481335795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24962470452280304432010-05-24T01:50:24.222-07:002010-05-24T01:50:24.222-07:00If Africa was willing to invite large scale immigr...<i>If Africa was willing to invite large scale immigration of entrapranuers from Gujarat (India) and Canton/Fujian/Zhejiang (SE China), I think they could really develop the local economies and provide a lot of good jobs. </i><br /><br />Sir Francis Galton encouraged massive Chinese emigration to Africa in order to supplant the native population.<br /><br />http://galton.org/letters/africa-for-chinese/AfricaForTheChinese.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14414863262055303752010-05-24T01:20:23.354-07:002010-05-24T01:20:23.354-07:00"Quite, if you are reasonably hard woking, ma..."Quite, if you are reasonably hard woking, materially you are going to better off in East London than Africa.<br /><br />And handilly removing those more conscientious genes & memes from your native land.<br /><br />Hurrah for globalism!"<br /><br />You didn't follow the link, did you?ATBOTLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64036042861306588272010-05-24T01:19:38.672-07:002010-05-24T01:19:38.672-07:00"Quite, if you are reasonably hard woking, ma..."Quite, if you are reasonably hard woking, materially you are going to better off in East London than Africa.<br /><br />And handilly removing those more conscientious genes & memes from your native land.<br /><br />Hurrah for globalism!"<br /><br />You didn't follow the link, did you?ATBOTLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31212056186866337212010-05-23T23:39:33.025-07:002010-05-23T23:39:33.025-07:00Sorry Christo but you are bombastic rather than cl...Sorry Christo but you are bombastic rather than clever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82410407048015503642010-05-23T21:06:18.250-07:002010-05-23T21:06:18.250-07:00If Africa was willing to invite large scale immigr...<i>If Africa was willing to invite large scale immigration of entrapranuers from Gujarat (India) and Canton/Fujian/Zhejiang (SE China), I think they could really develop the local economies and provide a lot of good jobs.</i><br /><br />I believe something like that was tried before. Now what was it called? Apartite, aparthide...give me a minute, it'll come to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35655332938157851682010-05-23T20:56:24.352-07:002010-05-23T20:56:24.352-07:00I live in East London and there are plenty of Afri...<i>I live in East London and there are plenty of African men working in all sorts of jobs.</i><br /><br />Quite, if you are reasonably hard woking, materially you are going to better off in East London than Africa.<br /><br />And handilly removing those more conscientious genes & memes from your native land.<br /><br />Hurrah for globalism!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-31103301459039886752010-05-23T19:51:26.555-07:002010-05-23T19:51:26.555-07:00Build a wall around the entire continent and don&#...Build a wall around the entire continent and don't open it for 200 years. And be certain Hillary, GWB, Geldorf, Bono and Prince Charles are inside when the gate is closed.ChocolateGodzillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04213549226480965911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57916155404510075462010-05-23T18:35:17.956-07:002010-05-23T18:35:17.956-07:00By circumstance I returned from a journey to Namib...By circumstance I returned from a journey to Namibia two days ago, and can report that Mr. Kristoff would be doubly hurt upon learning that Africans are not white men in black skins. All but one tribe have heavy drinking problems, including the renowned, and very primitive Himba of remote Kaokoland.<br /><br />To the south of the Himba are the Damara, also a Bantu tribe who entered Namibia during the 1700s. Aided by the very tall Herero, they scattered the native Bushmen into the Kalahari Desert to the east. Both these Bantu tribes count many drunkards. <br /><br />Which brings me to this. The desire on the part of various U.N. outfits to place more money in the hands of women will not work. When found to be hiding money, women often suffer severe beatings at the hands of their husbands. To complicate matters, when the local constabulary occasionally shows up, very few men in the village will testify against their fellow man (Africa’s form of jury nullification). Which is why Namibia, along with every other African country, has such an extraordinary high percentage of murder cases going “cold” from the start. Much worse than Washington DC. <br /><br />The Nama drink to excess too. They are direct descendants of the native Namibian Bushmen and the Damaras. Small and delicately built, they have much yellow tint left over from the Bushman epoch. The Namas look to the remaining white farmers for employment and physical protection from other tribes. <br /><br />Which brings us to the Bushmen, since time immemorial the real inhabitants of Southern<br />Africa--along with the now extinct Hottentots. In fact, the Bushman themselves are on the road to extinction, both because they are given short shrift by the current government in Windhoek, and their inordinate craving for drink. <br /> When I purchased some weapons,etc, from a Bushman I was forced to pay the owner of the ranch. The ranchers then typically disburse the money to the family in order that the Bushman himself not drink it up beforehand. As with the Nama, European paternal benevolence still exists in Namibia. <br /><br />This leads to the “Bastars” (translated bastards), descendants of the first Germans to arrive in Namibia, and the Bantu tribal women with whom they had intercourse. They are prominent in the building trades and operate a fair number of businesses about Namibia. They are also a proud, politically incorrect people. When both the Apartheid South African Government and the current government of Namibia tried to force them to change their name, they vehemently declined. “Once a Bastard, always a Bastard.”<br /> Unhappily, following a day’s hard work, too many Bastards lay down their trowels and head for the nearest biergarten.<br /> <br />Which finally brings us to the Ovambo, who collectively make up over half of Namibia’s scant population, and who would “rain“ on reporters like Mr. Kristoff given half a chance. To their ever lasting credit very few Ovambo smoke or drink. And they are scrupulously clean. I was told that I could ride on a bus filled with Ovambos on the hottest day of the year without suffering body odor induced nausea--commonplace elsewhere in Africa. <br /> Unhappily the Ovambo suffer from a shortcoming that I believe has been biologically inflicted upon all Africans--AVARICE.Worse than IQ shortages. <br /> Since seizing power at the capital they have not shared that power with any other tribe, let alone the white population. Nor does any other tribe receive government contracts, and all the gratuities that go with those contracts. In fact, if one is not from the right sub-tribe of Ovambos, one doesn’t even get to “play government.” <br /><br />U.N. folk, dishonest as the African governments they support, know all of this to a dead certainty. But at least there is not a Congo, a Ruanda, a Uganda, a Kenya, a Sudan or a Zimbabwe sweeping across Namibia. This is why, aside from the wide open spaces, its Germanic cleanliness, and rich wildlife, it was such a damn nice place to visit.Christohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14928591764002104733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62728148021392688092010-05-23T18:30:39.115-07:002010-05-23T18:30:39.115-07:00Whiskey, to complete your analysis of British Chav...Whiskey, to complete your analysis of British Chav-ry, you need to investigate:<br /><br />1) Church attendance rates of the Chavs [by sex, if necessary], and<br /><br />2) Total Fertility Rates [TFRs] of the Chavs.<br /><br />And then compare those rates with the broader Caucasian population.<br /><br />PS: England will be doomed [if it's not doomed already] when Islam takes hold among the Chavs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-57571491729954630352010-05-23T18:26:25.221-07:002010-05-23T18:26:25.221-07:00So if African men are a bunch o' drunks, why d...So if African men are a bunch o' drunks, why do black Americans drink less than other Americans?<br /><br />http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/controversies/1116895242.html<br /><br />http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhis/earlyrelease/200306_09.pdfNoah Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09093917601641588575noreply@blogger.com