tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post8551806057960457346..comments2024-03-19T02:31:02.140-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Malcolm McLaren, RIPUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15693846415958042802010-04-12T14:55:57.062-07:002010-04-12T14:55:57.062-07:00I was wondering when Truth would show up. I think ...I was wondering when Truth would show up. I think he must be one of the two black men who was at the swimming pool at U.C. Berkeley one day in the spring of '95. I'm resting at the end of a lane when I hear the following from up on the deck: "we blowin' they minds; they think black people can't swim."helene edwardsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-48830999123048922322010-04-12T02:30:48.173-07:002010-04-12T02:30:48.173-07:00That's the straw man in your head speaking. Th...<i>That's the straw man in your head speaking. There are many great white vernacular musicians before the 1950s, but just about all of them -- from Gershwin to Jimmie Rogers to Bob Wills -- the influence from jazz and blues is clear.</i> <br /><br /><br />Sounds like you are again saying that whites sat around listening to polka before the hep black cats showed up and taught them how to groove.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30573512956566601682010-04-12T02:26:22.689-07:002010-04-12T02:26:22.689-07:00every music historian agrees about the seminal rol...<i>every music historian agrees about the seminal role of black Americans in creating the new fusion of European classical musical influences and African rhythms.</i> <br /><br /><br /><br />What "African rhythms"? What "fusion"? The music played by blacks in America owes far more to European folk music then to anything from Africa. Africa itself remains a musical wasteland and not the well-spring of musical creation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10485292370951240522010-04-12T00:06:10.058-07:002010-04-12T00:06:10.058-07:00It's important to separate what McLaren said f...It's important to separate what McLaren said from what he did. He may have sold the Sex Pistols as a terrible band who couldn't play their instruments. But he sought out Chris Thomas to produce one of the best sounding rock albums ever. Play "Never Mind The Bollocks" then play pretty much any of the Clash albums. The Pistols album sounds so much better produced. Blink 182 spent pretty much their whole career trying to copy the sound of that album.<br /><br />Later on, McLaren continued to work with brilliant producers - Trevor Horn, Steven Hague.<br /><br />McLaren always went to New York to find the next big thing - first with punk, then with hip hop, then with, err, voguing (which he didn't really pull off, and where Madonna beat him to the post). Coming from a fashion background he was locked into a constant search for novelty. That's probably why it always turned into just one album then move on. It's actually a disastrous attitude for an artist manager, which should be all about nurturing long term careers.<br /><br />One other McLaren approach - so simple really - was about deliberately throwing opposites together to see what happens. There was opera and hip hop, waltzes and r'n'b. Even before that, he had Sid Vicious's "My Way" arranged by Simon Jeffes of the Penguin Cafe Orchestra, and later set some of his bands to Jeffes for music lessons.georgesdelatourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03548858896924613970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-16631896889574905392010-04-11T15:38:51.599-07:002010-04-11T15:38:51.599-07:00"You act like whites sat around listening to ..."You act like whites sat around listening to polka music before the hep black cats showed up to teach them how to groove."<br /><br />Are you sure they didn't? Was that just Poles?Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-64619861498671398202010-04-11T15:33:28.231-07:002010-04-11T15:33:28.231-07:00"Hah, gangster rap was made by people with NO..."Hah, gangster rap was made by people with NO musical talent, as befits a musical art form that is not music, and not art. What was Snoop Dogg's musical training? Choir boy, drug dealer."<br /><br />Well, I wouldn't say that rap has NO value. If you look under the surface, rap is often sociological thesis the serves to elucidate the root causes of the hatred of wealthy rappers by guys like you:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFLow5StvvUTruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53915534470717370762010-04-11T15:18:16.515-07:002010-04-11T15:18:16.515-07:00All discussion of popular music which ignores the ...All discussion of popular music which ignores the invention of radio, electric amplification, electric instruments, brass instruments,keyboard instruments, musical notation, electronic instruments, magnetic tape, vinyl, cassettes, CD, MP3, computers etc etc is only telling part of the story.<br /><br />Without all that, focus on who influenced whom is an angels on the head of a pin debate, because without all that, popular music as we know it would not, could not exist. Thus those keen to bang the afrocentric drum (hey, bit of a pun there!) have to first discard all that white baggage. A bit like the economists and the tin opener joke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68659238978053985832010-04-11T15:11:42.275-07:002010-04-11T15:11:42.275-07:00"Between the square dance calling and the Kra..."Between the square dance calling and the Kraftwerk samples, I think we can call rap a white musical form."<br /><br />Sure "we" could, if we were complete and utter dickwads.Truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286755693955361308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86612002438000027962010-04-11T14:47:05.886-07:002010-04-11T14:47:05.886-07:00Another of those oh-so-very-atypical Jewish punk p...Another of those oh-so-very-atypical Jewish punk promoters:<br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Stein" rel="nofollow">Seymour Stein</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77230656452586680622010-04-11T12:26:40.876-07:002010-04-11T12:26:40.876-07:00I'm pretty sure Stari Monak was either being s...I'm pretty sure Stari Monak was either being sarcastic or deliberately trying to bait commenters into agreeing with (or vociferously denouncing) his absurd remark. If the latter, he seems to have succeeded. (There are really people taken in by the claim that Hoagy Carmichael died in poverty?)<br /><br />Also, the Sex Pistols played a full set at their last concert.James Kabalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02335302113772004687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72148154157203998152010-04-11T08:31:36.286-07:002010-04-11T08:31:36.286-07:00P.S. if you trace it back, the great white ragtime...P.S. if you trace it back, the great white ragtime/cakewalk composer Arthur Pryor -- one of the earliest white composers to mainstream syncopated blues rhythms -- had hits like "Coon Band Contest" and "Oh Mr. Black Man".MQnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59262869325307352792010-04-11T08:16:49.740-07:002010-04-11T08:16:49.740-07:00I'm impressed by your ability to repeat whatev...<i> I'm impressed by your ability to repeat whatever nonsense other people have pounded into your head </i><br /><br />Blues has signature chord progressions, by the teens and twenties of the century (after the explosion of ragtime and jazz into pop) both white and black musicians are using them but every music historian agrees about the seminal role of black Americans in creating the new fusion of European classical musical influences and African rhythms. All great musical innovators are influenced by others, but it was blacks who took the initiative to create the mix.<br /><br />As it happens we have a natural experiment here, since Great Britain, Canada, and Australia shared the genetic and cultural influences of Southern American whites but had no African-American influence. Why don't you tell us all about the great pre-1960 Scottish and Irish blues musicians?<br /><br /><i> You act like whites sat around listening to polka music before the hep black cats showed up to teach them how to groove. </i><br /><br />That's the straw man in your head speaking. There are many great white vernacular musicians before the 1950s, but just about all of them -- from Gershwin to Jimmie Rogers to Bob Wills -- the influence from jazz and blues is clear. <br /><br />I usually find myself on the opposite end of this argument, telling people about the huge role white musicians played in the formation of American music, but a lot of commenters here are racists bent on denying the huge and obvious African-American creative accomplishment in music. You all sound like nutty afrocentrics saying that Beethoven was black because he had kinky hair or something.MQnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3640528632126709712010-04-11T07:43:01.647-07:002010-04-11T07:43:01.647-07:00It's been reported that his final words were &...<i>It's been reported that his final words were "Free Leonard Peltier."</i> <br /><br />I thought that that was a joke, but when I googled "Leonard Peltier", that was the first hit I got.<br /><br /><i>I personally would not have thought that punk band promoter was the most stereotypically Jewish career imaginable.</i> <br /><br />Free Phil Spector!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-56759134797804315232010-04-11T07:07:43.193-07:002010-04-11T07:07:43.193-07:00Near death, in all fairness, the driver, Jack Mill...<i>Near death, in all fairness, the driver, Jack Mills, died of leukemia in 1970.</i><br /><br />It was often said the attack hastened his demise, stress injuries etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75201250452739086642010-04-11T07:01:06.958-07:002010-04-11T07:01:06.958-07:00You guys act like black music first appeared in 19...<i>You guys act like black music first appeared in 1965 or something.</i> <br /><br /><br /><br />You act like whites sat around listening to polka music before the hep black cats showed up to teach them how to groove. So I'm afraid I'll have to take your claims of musical knowledge with some scepticism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67962065651568666492010-04-11T06:55:08.871-07:002010-04-11T06:55:08.871-07:00White pop composers who work in the blues (namely:...<i>White pop composers who work in the blues (namely: all of them) are following a black lead.</i> <br /> <br /><br /><br />I'm impressed by your ability to repeat whatever nonsense other people have pounded into your head, if not by the nonsense itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28897594578757415022010-04-11T06:33:12.430-07:002010-04-11T06:33:12.430-07:00So how did John Lydon earn his stage name Johnny R...So how did John Lydon earn his stage name Johnny Rotten?<br /> Well in the early days guitarist Steve Jones was first introduced to Lydon, he immediately noticed the appaling state of Lydon's teeth, ridden with acute dental caries to the point of blackness - a common feature of Lydon's cohort of working class London Irish too fond of sugar, but not fond of brushibg their teeth.<br /> "You're fucking rotten, in't ya"*, quoth Jones in the splendid Cockney vernacular.Thus Lydon earned his appelation.<br /><br />* 'I'nt ya' - the classic Cokneyism for 'aren't you' - seldom heard these days since the are very few Cockneys actually left, most being 'ethnically cleansed' from London.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61399059698774086492010-04-11T06:18:21.293-07:002010-04-11T06:18:21.293-07:00"Ha, ha, ha ....ever get the feeling that you..."Ha, ha, ha ....ever get the feeling that you've been cheated?".<br /><br /> So cackled Johnny Rotten in his trademark Irish Cockney whine after just one song ( a cover of 'No Fun' by Iggy and the Stooges) at the very last gig ever of the Sex Pistols at SAn Francisco.<br />Rotten who was in tears of desperation and rage wpropmtly walked off the stage and there were no more Pistols.It was a particularly fraught gig, Sid Vicios by then a useless zombified supernumerary was simply beeing propped up like a waxwork, his bass guitar unconnected to his amp.Steve Jones and Paul Cook bravely tried to oldier on despite being showered with saliva, beer and catcalls from a hostile crowd.<br /> Rotten was referring to Malcolm McLaren diddling him out of his due royalties, so he cheated the sell-out audience out of their ticket money.<br /> A few days later the remaining pistols jetted off to Rio for the Ronnie Biggs stunt sans Rotten.The rest is, as they say, history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20518406114162453972010-04-11T05:21:30.722-07:002010-04-11T05:21:30.722-07:00"They assaulted the driver of the train, whic..."They assaulted the driver of the train, which led to his death."<br /><br />Near death, in all fairness, the driver, Jack Mills, died of leukemia in 1970.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81896805049912610252010-04-11T04:25:19.261-07:002010-04-11T04:25:19.261-07:00It's been reported that his final words were &...It's been reported that his final words were "Free Leonard Peltier."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-67023013005030915792010-04-10T22:29:51.344-07:002010-04-10T22:29:51.344-07:00Rotten walked out of the Sex Pistols (and thus des...<i>Rotten walked out of the Sex Pistols (and thus destroyed the band), when McLaren went a gimmick too far - the American tour was a sick joke seeking as it did to rile the Bible Belt and the collaboration with the gangster Ronnie Biggs in Brazil just plain silly.</i><br /><br />Another part of Lydon's problem with McLaren was related to this Biggs incident.<br /><br />Biggs was one of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Train_Robbery_(1963)" rel="nofollow">Great Train Robbery</a> gang. They assaulted the driver of the train, which led to his death.<br /><br />In 1963 John Lydon's dad was a loco driver. Somewhere he is on record as saying "That could have been my dad". This was as much of a criticism of the band memebers who went along with it as of McLaren.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68038501426372603232010-04-10T19:11:16.529-07:002010-04-10T19:11:16.529-07:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCeZzW54a2o
Santig...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCeZzW54a2o<br /><br />Santigold (formerly Santogold.) College educated black lady from Philadeplphia singing and writing New Wave songs. Really well, I might add.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-36596777114438416592010-04-10T16:51:25.922-07:002010-04-10T16:51:25.922-07:00Also, one of the best pop songs of the aughts wa...Also, one of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkmEZs_Kcms&feature=related" rel="nofollow"> the best pop songs </a> of the aughts was just about straight punk...sums up the decade pretty well.<br /><br />Punk is a very white style, sort of the white counterpart to gangster rap culturally. Probably why White Power music is usually punk.MQnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60304148382906941472010-04-10T16:44:37.653-07:002010-04-10T16:44:37.653-07:00Actually, the notion that this crowd has any idea ...Actually, the notion that this crowd has any idea of the range or quality of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=c7NLq5Soq_E&a=G-Y-ab2Z1_U&playnext_from=ML" rel="nofollow"> contemporary black music </a> is pretty hilarious. Even the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETCtVEpKVTs&feature=related" rel="nofollow"> party music </a> is far more sophisticated than "square dancing". Go on, admit it, when was the last time you listened to the radio?<br /><br />And 20th century American music -- which is just as big a cultural accomplishment as the best European music -- is thoroughly mulatto, but blacks played a leadership role. White pop composers who work in the blues (namely: all of them) are following a black lead. You guys act like black music first appeared in 1965 or something. It's absurd to claim there aren't great black songwriters. Smokey Robinson, anyone? And singers like Ray Charles transformed the white-written songs they covered.MQnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52032043552135114402010-04-10T15:07:58.983-07:002010-04-10T15:07:58.983-07:00It was part of the Jewish conspiracy from Day One ...It was part of the Jewish conspiracy from Day One to invent Punk Rock, so why would it be surprising that McLaren was a member of the Tribe?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com