tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post8635747629222281122..comments2024-03-27T18:24:19.683-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: White Americans only 6% of the NBA:Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77408775555888170712007-05-26T16:03:00.000-07:002007-05-26T16:03:00.000-07:00If they removed the political barriers to prosperi...<I>If they removed the political barriers to prosperity, such as their immense welfare states, they would be economic juggernauts.</I><BR/><BR/>They are economic juggernauts. The U.S. isn't the biggest exporter in the world. Neither is China. Germany is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44808470776314348902007-05-22T06:10:00.000-07:002007-05-22T06:10:00.000-07:00'On a different subject I would much rather see bl...'On a different subject I would much rather see black Americans win than to see white forgings win. Go Detroit! '<BR/><BR/>Should have read:<BR/><BR/>'On a different subject I would much rather see black Americans win than to see white foreigners win. Go Detroit! '<BR/><BR/>Spell check can only do so much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-35959716459178593932007-05-21T12:06:00.000-07:002007-05-21T12:06:00.000-07:00"The Duke coach is an exception (I cannot spell hi...<I>"The Duke coach is an exception (I cannot spell his name)"</I><BR/><BR/>His name is spelled "K". ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-9596720988689386852007-05-21T09:06:00.000-07:002007-05-21T09:06:00.000-07:00Also another obstacle for whites is that a coach w...Also another obstacle for whites is that a coach will look at a recruit and think that he can he add the brains, discipline and team play to a better athlete not knowing the those things are as fixed as athletic ability. <BR/><BR/>The Duke coach is an exception (I cannot spell his name) as was John Wooden.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20262116621754626502007-05-21T08:49:00.000-07:002007-05-21T08:49:00.000-07:00Having been a basketball fanatic myself I think th...Having been a basketball fanatic myself I think that 'Apparently, whites do better in the NBA when they don't play against blacks growing up.' is true for a few reasons. <BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>1. In the USA coaches still insist that big men be athletic and stay close to the basket despite the fact that you now get 3 points for a long shot and only 2 near the basket. In the USA tall guys are still mostly not allowed to face the basket. <BR/><BR/>BTW IMHO the 3 point shot is ruining the game. <BR/><BR/>2. Whites seem to mature a little later than blacks and the time to develop and be a star in Europe without often smaller but stronger better jumping blacks showing then up helps the Europeans. I am convinced that many of the white Europeans would not make it to the NBA if they had to play their way up in the USA. Also these big uncoordinated guys do not look so bad playing against other big uncoordinated guy. The Europeans have adapted much quicker to the 3 point shot. <BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>On a different subject I would much rather see black Americans win than to see white forgings win. Go Detroit!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-89823525057264126122007-05-20T23:13:00.000-07:002007-05-20T23:13:00.000-07:00The moneylending profession is certainly a profita...<I>The moneylending profession is certainly a profitable one, but not necessarily a ticket to fabulous wealth. Can any expert comment?</I><BR/><BR/>The lesser nobility wasn't fabulously wealthy, either. Probably the primary difference between well-off Jews and lesser nobles was that the lesser nobles had castles, while Jewish moneylenders did not. Kinda important when you're facing a mob.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73010310128421065952007-05-20T19:20:00.000-07:002007-05-20T19:20:00.000-07:00I am more than a little skeptical of the claim tha...I am more than a little skeptical of the claim that Jewish moneylenders in medieval Europe lived as well as the lesser nobility. The moneylending profession is certainly a profitable one, but not necessarily a ticket to fabulous wealth. Can any expert comment?<BR/> There may have only one true "pogrom" in English history, but the first recorded blood libel charge was in Norwich, England in 1144, and Jews were expelled from England entirely from the 1290s to the 1640s. Most likely neither Chacuer nor Shakespeare ever met a Jew.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13820971010285637882007-05-20T18:08:00.000-07:002007-05-20T18:08:00.000-07:00I've often wondered how much of the historical acc...<I>I've often wondered how much of the historical accomplishments of the Jews have to do with this phenomenon. Just being given permission to see the world differently from your society, having more than one perspective you can look at things from, is enormously valuable.</I><BR/><BR/>Clearly there's a genetic component(s) to Jewish success, but the cultural side might have fed the (usually) virtuous circle.<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure i buy Prof. Harpending's thesis that Jewish intelligence arose in the early Middle Ages, though. By that time they had created most of their religion, a religion that would come to be venerated, in various forms, by 60% of the world's people. It may have accelerated then, espcecially as less successful Jews were choosing, or being forced, to leave the fold.<BR/><BR/>Charles Murray had an essay about that somewhere, where he comes to pretty much the same conclusion. His conclusion? Jews are the chosen people.<BR/><BR/>I wonder how many people have looked at the various forms of anti-Semitism in terms an evolutionary process. Group X sees that group Y is more successful. Does group X wipe out group Y, assuring that their own descendants aren't replaced by group Y's, or does group X coerce group Y to assimilate, bringing their genes into the fold?<BR/><BR/>Doing the latter doesn't mean replacement of all your genes. It just means that, eventually, the relevant genes that lead to say, greater intelligence, come to predominate in the merged group.<BR/><BR/>Think about the first lucky guy who had an opposable thumb. Clearly this led to greater reproductive success, but it doesn't mean that he was superior to his contemporaries in any other way. He could've been short, buck-toothed, had bad BO, and frighteningly uncoordinated.<BR/><BR/>But...he had that thumb. Men feared him and chicks swooned. Fast forward 20 generations and lots of people have his thumb. That doesn't mean his genes have replaced everyone else's, or those of all the other males. The only gene of his that's spread is the one for the thumb.<BR/><BR/>Nowadays, we are following the second evolutionary strategy. Rather than isolating Jews, we're interbreeding with them. Today, over half of Jews in the US marry non-Jews.<BR/><BR/>A bad thing? For our enemies, maybe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-22853218674293652832007-05-20T16:14:00.000-07:002007-05-20T16:14:00.000-07:00I've often wondered how much of the historical acc...I've often wondered how much of the historical accomplishments of the Jews have to do with this phenomenon. Just being given permission to see the world differently from your society, having more than one perspective you can look at things from, is enormously valuable. <BR/><BR/>Some people get that on their own eventually, but most apparently don't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37279514722762151702007-05-20T16:13:00.000-07:002007-05-20T16:13:00.000-07:00Steve Sailer:"The point, as always, is not that Je...Steve Sailer:<BR/><BR/><I>"The point, as always, is not that Jews were worse than everybody else,"</I><BR/><BR/>You do seem to feel compelled to mention a lot of behavior by particular Jews, often in seemingly irrelevant contexts (e.g., talking about Russian Jewish oligarchs in your review of the Spike Lee movie Inside Man) -- why the fixation? Is there too much adulatory press for Jews these days, in your opinion, and you want to balance things out?<BR/><BR/><I>"but that the contemporary assumption that Jews were always and everywhere merely passive victims is a myth."</I><BR/><BR/>This clause begs to be unraveled a little. Who shares this contemporary assumption you mention that Jews have had no agency in their history? Surely the record of Jewish achievement in many fields requires more than their simply being victims. What you seem to be alluding to is the statements of those who seek to excuse instances of persecution against Jews (e.g., one of your regulars who calls himself "Svigor") by claiming that these persecutions were really a defense against Jewish perfidy or a retaliation for Jewish crimes against the persecutors. <BR/><BR/>If that's not your intention, perhaps you could clarify? Because it seems that rational people could acknowledge that: 1) historically, there have been Jews active in commerce who have been as amoral or immoral as non-Jews (e.g., Sephardic sugar merchants), and 2) instances of persecution against Jews (e.g., Cossack-led pograms in Czarist Russia) were not motivated by, and cannot be excused by 1).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-21104431914435859852007-05-20T12:07:00.000-07:002007-05-20T12:07:00.000-07:00One of the reasons that the nobility of Middle Age...One of the reasons that the nobility of Middle Ages Europe wanted Jews around is because they were often (correctly) viewed as providing skills not possessed by the locals. Whether it was tax farming or moneylending or trade, they either did it, or did it better, than anyone else.<BR/><BR/>After one Russian czar kicked out all the Jews, the Russian economy collapsed. They were later allowed back in by (I think) Catherine the Great.<BR/><BR/>But it's also interesting to see that the modern, mostly "dejewified" Europe hasn't been doing too badly in spite of itself. If they removed the political barriers to prosperity, such as their immense welfare states, they would be economic juggernauts. It spite of all the talk of decline, they still have some of the world's largest economies.<BR/><BR/>But that's been a weakness of Europe (and Europeans) for a long-time: a serious desire for safety, and an animosity towards risk-taking. Jews are more inclined towards risk.<BR/><BR/>Americans, whose ancestors took a pretty big risk just in coming here, are less like the ones who stayed behind. That does not hold for immigrants who come here today, of course, when coming to America is the least risky thing you can do - a sure thing, in fact. ("Will my income increase tenfold or only fivefold?")<BR/><BR/>In fact, it may be a (partial) Jew, Nicholas Sarkozy, who will liberate Europe from its demographic death trap.<BR/><BR/>Plus it doesn't always hurt to be an ethnic minority. Not having lots of "cousins" around (and the biological urge to be at least quasi-polite to them) can be a liberating feeling. It can be intellectually and economically liberating to be walking around in a society where everyone says "Don't touch the magic rocks!" but you CAN touch the magic rocks, and are even encouraged to do so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66315570689455440142007-05-20T11:45:00.000-07:002007-05-20T11:45:00.000-07:00On the other hand, on a day to day basis, Jews [in...<I>On the other hand, on a day to day basis, Jews [in the Middle Ages] were living like the lesser nobility while perhaps eighty to ninety percent of the European population in any given country were peasants.</I><BR/><BR/>It's a strange thing: when mobs were out to persecute Jews in the Middle Ages, Jews almost always ran to the local Bishop or Lord, who almost always protected them. Why? I suspect that, like rich people (of any religion) now, they knew how to stay in the good graces of the powerful (bribes).<BR/><BR/>When Coeur de Lion was coronated, a group of Jews gave a him a nice coronation present. The public rioted. It was the first (and only) progrom ever in England.<BR/><BR/>From my knowledge of history you understand that Jews were persecuted; but they were also frequently protected by the very Lords who were oppressing everyone else, which is likely to cause a little resentment.<BR/><BR/>After all, if a politician today said "Group X will be required to work in factories, and Group Y will be 'restricted' to being doctors and computer programmers (which no one else can do)" which group would be more angry: group X or Y?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26452341625710743992007-05-20T06:53:00.000-07:002007-05-20T06:53:00.000-07:00I wonder how Mr. Pollack would view it if blacks a...I wonder how Mr. Pollack would view it if blacks also began dominating athletic agency and management (which is overwhelmingly jewish) the same way they do NBA rosters. <BR/><BR/>Things like this not only depend on whose ox is being gored, but who sees themselves as owning the ox in the first place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29505982137655359372007-05-20T02:41:00.000-07:002007-05-20T02:41:00.000-07:00Steve,The sugar plantations were the great devoure...Steve,<BR/><BR/><I>The sugar plantations were the great devourer of African slaves.</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, I don't think most people today have any sense of how incredibly savage and deadly slavery was in South America or the Caribbean. Brazil required a constant and enormous supply of labor to run the sugar plantations. Slaves there rarely lived long enough to reproduce. On the eve of the French Revolution, Haiti had a slave population numbering a full half-million and was not only France's most valuable overseas possession, but also the most valuable piece of real estate in the world.<BR/><BR/><I>The point, as always, is not that Jews were worse than everybody else, but that the contemporary assumption that Jews were always and everywhere merely passive victims is a myth.</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, I agree. There is this tendency among some Jews to make the worst out of everything that has ever happened to Jews even if reality is more of a mixed bag. The glass may be half-full, but some Jews act as though it were entirely empty!<BR/><BR/>Mark,<BR/><BR/><I>The fanciful view tells you that anti-Semitism in Middle Ages Europe was caused by murderous white Christian bigots, and there's nothing more to know. The rational view helps you to understand that Jews, who were often tax farmers and who had a legal monopoly on moneylending (and who weren't bound down in serfdom), were hated because they were owed lots of money.</I><BR/><BR/>That is true. All we usually ever hear about Jews during the Middle Ages is the persecution they faced. There is no doubt they experienced severe persecution and expulsion from time to time. On the other hand, on a day to day basis, Jews were living like the lesser nobility while perhaps eighty to ninety percent of the European population in any given country were peasants. Even factoring in all the persecution, how much do you want to bet that life expectancy among Jews was a lot higher than it was among serfs?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75773030620051168992007-05-20T00:54:00.000-07:002007-05-20T00:54:00.000-07:00There weren't many Jews in the slaves states in th...<I>There weren't many Jews in the slaves states in the U.S., so Jewish involvement with slavery in the U.S. was unimportant.</I><BR/><BR/>Jews haven't been much involved in agriculture in recent times, so that's not shocking. But quite a few Jews lived in the South as cotton merchants; the first two Jewish members of congress represented Southern states; and the Confederacy had a Jewish cabinet member.<BR/><BR/><I>The point, as always, is not that Jews were worse than everybody else, but that the contemporary assumption that Jews were always and everywhere merely passive victims is a myth.</I><BR/><BR/>In a society where everyone gets points for claiming to be the victim, that's an important point.<BR/><BR/>We can have a rational, truthful discussion about racial and ethnic prejudice, or we can we have the fanciful one dictated by the PC police.<BR/><BR/>The fanciful one tells you that it's always the fault of the whites. No hatred there (LOL.)<BR/><BR/>The rational one tells you that ethnic tensions often owe something to the actions and behavior of both ethnic groups.<BR/><BR/>The fanciful view tells you that anti-Semitism in Middle Ages Europe was caused by murderous white Christian bigots, and there's nothing more to know. The rational view helps you to understand that Jews, who were often tax farmers and who had a legal monopoly on moneylending (and who weren't bound down in <BR/>serfdom), were hated because they were owed lots of money.<BR/><BR/>The fanciful view tells you that whites "hate" blacks because they hate their skin color. The rational one tells you that white homeowners don't all put up "For Sale" signs when an equally dark Indian family moves into the neighborhood.<BR/><BR/>I prefer the rational discussion, and not only because the answer every time isn't to blame my race for everything bad that happens.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74187356867277796772007-05-19T21:54:00.000-07:002007-05-19T21:54:00.000-07:00There weren't many Jews in the slaves states in th...There weren't many Jews in the slaves states in the U.S., so Jewish involvement with slavery in the U.S. was unimportant.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, Sephardic Jews played a large role in the development of the sugar industry in the tropical New World. See Paul Johnson's "The History of the Jews." The sugar plantations were the great devourer of African slaves. <BR/><BR/>See http://www.blacksandjews.com/wash.post.html<BR/><BR/>The point, as always, is not that Jews were worse than everybody else, but that the contemporary assumption that Jews were always and everywhere merely passive victims is a myth.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-71427712061827513672007-05-19T21:13:00.000-07:002007-05-19T21:13:00.000-07:00anonymous,Considering the historic Jewish role in ...anonymous,<BR/><BR/><I>Considering the historic Jewish role in the horrors of the Middle East and African slave trade,</I><BR/><BR/>Jews in the States did not play a massive role in the African slave trade. The only major players were a few Sephardic Jews (about the only significant Jewish presence early America to speak of). The role of Jews in that trade has been greatly exaggerated by the Nation of Islam. The Sephardic Jews were more significant in the Caribbean and South America, but that is because they tended to have a long history of involvement in anything mercantile in the Mediterranean sphere.<BR/><BR/>As for the Mideast slave trade (I assume you are referring to East Africans enslaved by Arabs), I haven't heard anything about a significant Jewish presence, but I don't know much about that trade.<BR/><BR/>Jews did play a significant role as middlemen in the European slave trade, mostly involving Slavs, around the time of Charlemagne, but hey...<BR/><BR/>sfg,<BR/><BR/><I>The whole Jews and sports thing is interesting. One thing nobody's mentioned is that sports was one area where Jews never really made it, and males outside of the science fiction club still like to have sports heroes.</I><BR/><BR/>Of course, nobody has ever claimed Jews were exceptionally athletic. Still, in proportion to their small numbers, I wouldn't be surprised if they are <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Jewish_Museum_Sports_Hall_of_Fame" REL="nofollow">better represented</A> than some might imagine. Jewish and half-Jewish girls seem to be reasonably well-represented among world class figure skaters (and other ice skaters): <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasha_cohen" REL="nofollow">Sasha Cohen</A><BR/><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Hughes" REL="nofollow">Sarah Hughes</A><BR/><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Silverstein" REL="nofollow">Jamie Silverstein</A><BR/><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Corwin" REL="nofollow">Amber Corwin</A><BR/><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_Bortz" REL="nofollow">Cindy Bortz</A><BR/><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loren_Galler-Rabinowitz" REL="nofollow">Loren Galler-Rabinowitz</A><BR/><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melissa_Gregory" REL="nofollow">Melissa Gregory</A><BR/><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily_Kronberger" REL="nofollow">Lily Kronberger</A><BR/><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irina_Rodnina" REL="nofollow">Irina Rodnina</A><BR/><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Abitbol" REL="nofollow">Sarah Abitbol</A><BR/><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emelie_Rotter" REL="nofollow">Emelie Rotter</A><BR/><BR/><BR/>Given the fact that Jewish women seem to be heavily represented not only among western skaters, but also Eastern European ones, I'm not entirely certain that this can be chalked up to class either. I haven't checked into it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Jewish women are also well-represented in gymnastics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44774955405577678852007-05-19T20:37:00.000-07:002007-05-19T20:37:00.000-07:00On topic: After reading Steve's article and the co...On topic: After reading Steve's article and the comments, I'm glad that I couldn't care less about the NBA.<BR/><BR/>Off topic: Anon. from the 3:34 train wrote, "Want five opinions? Ask three Jews. A source of cultural strength and weakness." Actually, that statement is true for any group you plug-in in place of "Jews". Even "anti-Semites".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-28705762737715687332007-05-19T20:04:00.000-07:002007-05-19T20:04:00.000-07:00I write about this all the time over at castefootb...I write about this all the time over at castefootball.us. Most of what I would add has already been said. <BR/><BR/>White self hate is a strong emotion. When whites want to hate somebody they do a hell of a job, even if it's themselves. <BR/><BR/>Regarding the lack of white Americans....think for a minute. The NBA is full of Croatians. Look at the tiny population of Croatia. Are the Croatians physically superior in some way to American whites? You would have to say no. <BR/><BR/>Yet there is a basketball program at every white high school in America. There are more white kids playing basketball in high school in any large state in America then in all of Croatia yet all of America cannot produce the numbers of white players that tiny Croatia does?<BR/><BR/>Recently John Amechi, the gay British/Nigerian basketball player received some publicity when he "came out". This guy sleep walked through several years in the NBA. He was NEVER any good. At any level. Yet he was given chance after chance to fail. But hundreds of US white players who excel in college don't even get the chance that loser did. Why is that? It's all about the cancer called diversity that has infected our society.<BR/><BR/>Also a couple of people have asked how the NBA expects to make money by alienating the white fan base. It's simple. The NBA, like all professional sports is nearly wholly financed by corporate interests.<BR/><BR/>Every stadium and arena (usually built at taxpayer expense) is pre-sold out by corporations that buy up the luxury suites and prime box seats. Thus they make money no matter how many fans but tickets. Since company seats are always give-aways you can always find people to go to a game free.<BR/><BR/>Advertising drives sports too. The tie-ins are everywhere, from every spare inch of arena space to each commercial break. The local media devotes full time non stop coverage to each team so the sports product itself does not have to be advertised.<BR/><BR/>The NHL draws as many fans as the NBA but which sport is more popular with the media? The NBA is "primetime" even though it can't generate any primetime TV revenue. The NHL is considered a second rate league, with the same revenue stream as the NBA.<BR/><BR/>Sports is sick in the same ways the rest of our society is. One would be naive to think otherwise. Unfortunately pro-sports has the ability to influence young minds in important ways. For that reason it is important to consider the implications of this issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-62065336241266839262007-05-19T19:57:00.000-07:002007-05-19T19:57:00.000-07:00Anonymous 6:24--Do you even watch the NBA? Kobe B...Anonymous 6:24--<BR/>Do you even watch the NBA? Kobe Bryant is a regular All-Defensive Team selection. And please explain how the emphasis on individual play is killing the NBA when fans are happy, players are happy, and, judging by NBA revenues, David Stern is happy.<BR/><BR/>Sailer--<BR/>For someone so skeptical of claims of racism, you sure are credulous here about a supposed anti-white bias. I wonder why that is...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39517260851146362472007-05-19T19:53:00.000-07:002007-05-19T19:53:00.000-07:00What's with all this whining about the NBA being s...What's with all this whining about the NBA being so selfish? And what demonstrable "anti-white bias" does Sailer have in mind? For someone who is so skeptical of allegations of racism elsewhere, he sure is awfully credulous here. I wonder why that is...<BR/><BR/>Anonymous 6:24--<BR/>What are you talking about? Kobe Bryant, for example, is a regular on the All-Defensive Team. Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Amare Stoudemire, and Shaq are all known as great defensive players. Adam Morrison (the NBA's latest Last Great White Hope), on the other hand, plays some of the worst defense imaginable, and his posture reminds me of someone out in left field who suspects he should be playing right.<BR/><BR/>How is the emphasis on individual stars killing the NBA in the long term? That claim requires some explanation.<BR/><BR/>The simple fact of the matter is that as individual players get better, individual games get more emphasis. Larry Bird was something special, but I would take Lebron, Kidd, Hamilton, Anthony, Iverson, Arenas, McGrady, or Deng over most of the slow-moving, unathletic heroes of decades past--and those guys weren't even NBA First Teamers! <BR/><BR/>And if you seriously think NBA teams are worse overall now, well, I doubt you even watch the NBA except through dusty Pleasantville glasses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87016632190865544352007-05-19T18:24:00.000-07:002007-05-19T18:24:00.000-07:00What's interesting is that even a role player like...What's interesting is that even a role player like Luke Walton can get $5 million per year. So the $$$ opportunities in the NBA are quite high even if you're just a journeyman.<BR/><BR/>Yes individualism keeps out anyone who does not play street ball, which is pretty much black players who play pickup games as kids, or guys who deliberately change their style of play (Bryant was upper class European in background but deliberately adopted street ball play because it was popular).<BR/><BR/>Note how the old Magic Johnson Showtime Lakers morphed into "Black Hole" Bryants -- the ball goes in but never goes back out. Emphasis on assists, no-look passes, ball movement, and defense go out the window and only spectacular scoring matters. Long term this is killing the NBA as is the thuggery. Note how the NFL's new guy is trying to crack down on the thuggery because of the damage it can do.<BR/><BR/>My best guess for the near total lack of whites like Byrd or McHale at the top of the stars list and only 6% (nearly all journeymen) is that they are deliberately excluded by ethnic nepotism. That's the downside. <BR/><BR/>Stern is dreaming if he thinks he's going to make money in China. One thing the Chinese aristocracy is very good at is separating gullible Western investors from their money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-14119409310448457352007-05-19T18:08:00.000-07:002007-05-19T18:08:00.000-07:00"Bank of New York - convicted and previously paid ...<I>"Bank of New York - convicted and previously paid many millions in damages for role in "Russian" fraud and is being sued for a lot more now."</I><BR/><BR/>Bank of New York was founded 200 years ago by Alexander Hamilton, who wasn't Jewish. It's a publicly traded company now and isn't generally considered an especially Jewish institution.<BR/><BR/><I>"have you ever seen a black person cheer for a white athlete against a black athlete in any sport?"</I><BR/><BR/>In my predominantly black junior high school there was a black guy who was a Celtics fan when (if memory serves) 8 out of 12 men on the Celtics squad were white. He enjoyed being a contrarian.<BR/><BR/><I>"since it [the prevalence of success] is so high for Jews, why would we ever want to pull for them?"</I><BR/><BR/>Is Neal Pollack asking you to root for him to succeed as a writer? Would it matter if you did?<BR/><BR/><I>"if anyone can fathom what David Stern thinks he's doing with the NBA"</I><BR/><BR/>Seems everyone considered Stern a genius a few years ago, but when your league gets bounced to basic cable, you're doing something wrong. In defense of Stern re: officiating, he did suspend the black player who leveled Nash, didn't he? I no longer watch the NBA, but from the highlights I have seen, it does seem that most of the flagrant fouls I've seen have been committed by African American players on foreign white guys -- perhaps because those foreigners are less likely to physically retaliate.<BR/><BR/><I>"also, there is strangely is no call for less white cheerleaders"</I><BR/><BR/><I>Fewer</I> white cheerleaders, Jody. Best to use "white" English when ranting about blacks, to avoid any unintentional irony. <BR/><BR/><I>"No, there is no anti-White guy racism by Jews... What is hidden in the original post is the class origins of anti-White attitudes.</I><BR/><BR/><I>...Elites signal their elite status by adopting anti-White attitudes"</I><BR/><BR/>True. There are, of course, Jews among these elites, but the common denominator is elitism, not Jewishness.<BR/><BR/>BTW, one bastion of these elite NBA fans IMO is Matthew Yglesias's blog. Yglesias is of course a Jew, but many of the commentators who make up his echo chamber don't appear to be.<BR/><BR/><I>"Yes, if there were a 3-point-shooting Jew in the NBA, I'd probably pull for him a little harder."</I><BR/><BR/>Since this is purely hypothetical (as far as I know), I'd be interested in Pollack's response to a sport that did have a sprinkling of Jews. From my perspective, as a football fan (NY Giants) who happens to be a Jew, I felt a tinge of ethnic pride, when Mike Rosenthal played tackle for the Giants, but when he was traded to the Vikings, I didn't stop being a Giants fan. <BR/><BR/><I>"Raw ethnocentric mentality on display here."</I><BR/><BR/>My guess (without knowing Pollack personally) is that his comment about the hypothetical Jewish 3-point shooter is meant less as a statement of his ethnocentrism than as a self-deprecating acknowledgment of the paucity of Jewish professional athletes. After all, if Pollack were consumed by a "raw ethnocentric mentality", why would he spend so much time watching NBA basketball? He could get another satellite dish and watch an Israeli basketball league, or spend time following a sport where Jews were better represented, like chess.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-24860216703826739842007-05-19T17:02:00.000-07:002007-05-19T17:02:00.000-07:00Eh...I would say Jews do tend to make up most of t...Eh...I would say Jews do tend to make up most of the media portion of the white elite, but are simply an overrepresented minority of the remainder of it (banking, law, etc). As for anti-White attitudes, I would argue that's a function, as another poster said earlier, of a 'transnational' attitude among elites. Certainly there was a more ethno-nationalistic attitude among American elites in earlier years, but the old WASP elites didn't like white ethnics (non-Anglo-Saxons such as Irish, Germans, Italians) either.<BR/><BR/>The whole Jews and sports thing is interesting. One thing nobody's mentioned is that sports was one area where Jews never really made it, and males outside of the science fiction club still like to have sports heroes. So naturally any Jewish writer is going to root for the only Goldberg in the NBA. Playing sports is interesting in that it seems to advance individuals but not societies much; the charisma and energy of the ex-football jock help him succeed, but it doesn't seem to do much in the aggregate. The Chinese are five feet high, suck at sports, and I'll be very surprised if any of this keeps them from being a world power.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-63153050132131664162007-05-19T16:08:00.000-07:002007-05-19T16:08:00.000-07:00"also, there is strangely is no call for less whit..."also, there is strangely is no call for less white cheerleaders and more black ones."<BR/><BR/><BR/>White Ass Rules!ricpichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01321511130788764861noreply@blogger.com