tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post8733292506136137293..comments2024-03-28T16:22:14.888-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: Tiger Woods should have withdrawn from The MastersUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-77479632952845789792013-04-15T19:03:45.331-07:002013-04-15T19:03:45.331-07:00Anon at 9:24:
You don't get it. The issue was...Anon at 9:24:<br /><br />You don't get it. The issue was Woods hypocrisy. The difference between the man he really was and the man he pretended to be.<br /><br />He sold us on the latter and when the public saw that it had gotten itself a pig in a poke, people were resentful. He also used his money and influence to bully the media into burying a negative story about him. All things considered he is a bit of a clown.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-53041030886055801802013-04-15T12:35:54.890-07:002013-04-15T12:35:54.890-07:00Yes, as if the high and mighty have never banged w...Yes, as if the high and mighty have never banged women other than their wives<br /><br />You are missing the point, no one was bombing him for chasing women if he had been a single guy. It was because he portrayed himself as Mr. All-American Family Man and even managed to convince his wife. All the while he was chasing every bimbo in the lower 48 states. Even a few months before he was outed, people in the national media were still portraying him as Ward Cleaver, when in fact he was running around like Mick Jagger, only with white trash waitresses, instead of models or starlets. He had also used his financial muscle to suppress a story two or three years before. No one likes being lied to and made a fool of, as he did with the golfing fan base and the media. The media never blasted the multiracial Derek Jeter, the difference was that Jeter was single, Woods wasn't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91783327197169434652013-04-15T05:56:09.992-07:002013-04-15T05:56:09.992-07:00"De Vicenzo’s partner, though, marked him dow..."De Vicenzo’s partner, though, marked him down for a 4 rather than a 3 on the 17th hole, and the Argentine golfer didn’t notice the mistake before signing his scorecard. De Vicenzo was disqualified from the tournament, because golf is stupid."<br /><br />That ain't why golf is stupid!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7059456520423114402013-04-15T04:56:14.040-07:002013-04-15T04:56:14.040-07:00Anonydroid at 9:24: Taki, without whom this blog ...Anonydroid at 9:24: Taki, without whom this blog wouldn't even exist, probably banged more women than Tiger but since Taki is firmly a member of the elite he is never touched.<br /><br />Hunsdon: I don't think Taki's conquests are, umm, working girls.Hunsdonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4917834072837107722013-04-14T23:44:51.002-07:002013-04-14T23:44:51.002-07:00http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-15/woods-lea...http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-15/woods-leaves-masters-without-title-as-penalty-raises-questions.html?cmpid=yhoo<br /><br />Most pertinent part:<br /><br />"In 2011, the U.S. Golf Association and Royal & Ancient Golf Club, golf’s governing bodies, announced a new interpretation of rule 33-7/4.5 -- in which a player is disqualified for signing an incorrect scorecard. The change applies in “limited circumstances” where disqualifications are caused by scorecard errors resulting from video review. That revision helped Woods avoid disqualification. <br /><br />"The groups said the change addressed the situation where a player is not aware he’s breached a rule 'because of facts that he did not know and could not reasonably have discovered prior to turning in his scorecard.' At the discretion of the tournament committee, the player is still penalized, but isn’t disqualified."<br /><br />MOST pertinent part: <br /><br />"However, the disqualification penalty would still apply for scorecard breaches that arise from ignorance of the rules of golf. <br /><br />“'This is not a difficult rule and everybody knows it,' Chamblee said. 'Tiger was clearly ignorant of the rule or he wouldn’t have been talking about it.'"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54390986886800474022013-04-14T23:23:00.645-07:002013-04-14T23:23:00.645-07:00No, no, he doesn't want Woods to cheat, he jus...No, no, he doesn't want Woods to cheat, he just thinks the rulebook is a "living document."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-10821199618178976622013-04-14T22:38:47.663-07:002013-04-14T22:38:47.663-07:00"Ed and Pincher Martin have properly understo..."Ed and Pincher Martin have properly understood the penalty. Wonder whether Steve will."<br /><br />I didn't say Woods should have disqualified, I said he should have withdrawn.Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-943339420291250742013-04-14T21:24:20.184-07:002013-04-14T21:24:20.184-07:00@anon 7:35 am
Yes, as if the high and mighty have...@anon 7:35 am<br /><br />Yes, as if the high and mighty have never banged women other than their wives.<br /><br />Taki, without whom this blog wouldn't even exist, probably banged more women than Tiger but since Taki is firmly a member of the elite he is never touched.<br /><br />No one talks about why Tom Cruise has divorced two of the hottest women in the world.<br /><br />But Tiger Woods' dalliances became international news and every intmate detail of Tiger's life was revealed without impunity, as if it wae the moet important thing in the world.<br /><br />What could ended quietly with a few hundred k's to the first girl instead became part of human history. He has every right to believe that no matter what he can never become anything other than the court jester, and he changed his behavior accordingly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-75523762815811162762013-04-14T19:35:39.300-07:002013-04-14T19:35:39.300-07:00"Tiger followed the white man's rules all..."Tiger followed the white man's rules all his life, and all he got was becoming the laughingstock of the world".<br /><br />(This may be the strangest comment I have ever read on Mr. Sailer's blog.)<br /><br />What he actually GOT was hundreds of millions of dollars, largely undeserved in my view, and a standard of living I, and many millions of other whites, couldn't even begin to dream about in comparison.<br /><br />As for his "being a laughingstock" he can take full credit for that. He had a drop dead beautiful wife, but he just couldn't keep his 'player' side in check. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87951716969385872692013-04-14T17:07:16.555-07:002013-04-14T17:07:16.555-07:00Ed and Pincher Martin have properly understood the...Ed and Pincher Martin have properly understood the penalty. Wonder whether Steve will.narmnonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76025578872876257322013-04-14T16:03:40.777-07:002013-04-14T16:03:40.777-07:00Captcha problems might also be behind my lost comm...Captcha problems might also be behind my lost comments, but my point still stands.<br /><br />-The Judean People's FrontAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12329823141261498542013-04-14T16:02:16.118-07:002013-04-14T16:02:16.118-07:00Every once in a while I will try to post a WASP/An...Every once in a while I will try to post a WASP/Anglo friendly comment from a "Scots-Irish" perspective that acknowledges the validity of some of the more reasonable Judeo-skeptic talking points, but adds some nuance from an insider's perspective. One can acknowledge my coethnics' collective shortcomings without over correcting for PC by uncritically idolizing the unfairly maligned old Elite or blaming everything on the Jooz.<br /><br /> For some reason, Komment Kontrol eats my comments. It's not as though the topic is verboten at iSteve so it almost feels as though someone doesn't want the frank and open intercommunal dialogue that Solzhenitsyn asked for in his final work. <br /><br />It saddens me because a lack of honest, good-faith criticism distorts values and behaviors and fosters the ugly, caricaturesque worldview espoused by men like Levin and decried by men like Sailer. Wether you are a traditionalist, reactionary, conservative, libertarian, citizenist, ethnonationalist, or even a clear-eyed leftist, this isn't good for anyone who cares about the future.<br /><br />-The Judean People's FrontAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-30561668895387327962013-04-14T15:43:54.618-07:002013-04-14T15:43:54.618-07:00"Basically, once the Committee gets involved,..."Basically, once the Committee gets involved, its no longer on the honor system any more. The Committee examined the drop for a potentially violation before Woods signed the scorecard. When the scorecard was signed, Woods may or may not thought it was accurate, but the Committee definitely did think it was accurate."<br /><br />You miss the point: all golfers KNOW that they are responsible for knowing the rules and in the case of pros, they can call for a ruling immediately when they are unsure.<br /><br />Further, all golfers know the basic drop rules are NEVER that which can improve their lie so as to gain an advantage. <br /><br />You can argue all day that he was "excused" by the committee, but he himself should have explained to his playing partner, then to a rules official before he signed his card that he knew he was improving his lie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52763269024055510292013-04-14T14:13:37.093-07:002013-04-14T14:13:37.093-07:00"...prizes tradition over fairness..."
..."...prizes tradition over fairness..."<br /><br />Paging Dr. Haidt...bleachnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65186899510058930212013-04-14T11:57:39.233-07:002013-04-14T11:57:39.233-07:00I went to some of the sports comment threads elsew...I went to some of the sports comment threads elsewhere, and I wound up agreeing with Pincher Martin. This is a good deal of angina over not much.<br /><br />Basically, once the Committee gets involved, its no longer on the honor system any more. The Committee examined the drop for a potentially violation before Woods signed the scorecard. When the scorecard was signed, Woods may or may not thought it was accurate, but the Committee definitely did think it was accurate.<br /><br />Had Woods asked the officials at that point whether he should have signed his scorecard, they would have said to go ahead. I hope, though maybe this goes against the culture of golf, that the officials can't tell a player they think the scorecard is accurate, but then turn around later and throw the player out for signing an inaccurate scorecard. The difference in this case is that the officials never told Woods that they thought at first there was no violation. This just means that the case for the DQ is not ridiculous. The case for the DQ still puts the player in the position of having to accurately second-guess the officials. I think its understandable that the officials want to avoid setting that precedent.Ednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-41791408503841830212013-04-14T11:07:19.140-07:002013-04-14T11:07:19.140-07:00Here's how the head of Masters' competitio...Here's how the head of Masters' competition committee put it:<br /><br /><i>"''Our committee had made a decision and Tiger, although he didn't know that decision, <b>he was entitled to have the benefit of that decision when he signed his scorecard</b>. And to me, it would have been grossly unfair to Tiger to have disqualified him after our committee had made that decision.''</i><br /><br />That seems exactly right. Tiger believed he signed an accurate scorecard. Masters' officials believed Tiger signed an accurate scorecard. Even though Masters' officials were aware of a potential violation with Tiger's drop on the 15th hole, they ruled it was not a violation and did not inform Tiger about it.<br /><br />Case closed. Until Tiger subsequently reviewed his thinking at the time of the drop. <br /><br />This seems a strikingly different case than the previous cases where a DQ was made.Pincher Martinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-78068864302200466002013-04-14T10:53:59.001-07:002013-04-14T10:53:59.001-07:00"[Augusta's officials] didn't tell [T...<i>"[Augusta's officials] didn't tell [Tiger] it was fair. They didn't say anything to him. Maybe they guessed that it was an accident."</i><br /><br />A drop two yards behind the previous lie is a violation of the rules. So this needn't have come down to a subjective question of what was in Tiger's mind at the time he made the drop. <br /><br />That a TV viewer immediately recognized the violation when it happened and informed Masters officials about it, prompting them to review the drop before ultimately deciding it was not a violation, shows that Tiger's judgment need not have been the final arbiter of the matter. <br /><br /><i>"But now the officials knew that he'd broken the rule, and ignorance is no excuse."</i><br /><br />Well, officially, ignorance is now an excuse - subject to the discretion of officials.<br /><br /><i>"And, yeah, they have a new rule that says they can waive the rules in the case of "exceptional" situations, but what exceptional here other than it's Tiger?"</i><br /><br />So you think they put that rule in just for Tiger?Pincher Martinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-5946244866602602652013-04-14T10:20:05.824-07:002013-04-14T10:20:05.824-07:00Tiger followed the white man's rule for all hi...<em>Tiger followed the white man's rule for all his life, and all he got was becoming the laughing stock of the world.</em><br /><br />You got it exactly backwards. Following those rules made him so filthy rich that he could use $100 bills for toilet paper for the rest of his life without noticing the cost. <em>Breaking</em> those rules and living the sexual life of an African or Arab potentate was what made him a laughingstock. <br />Cail Corishevhttp://cailcorishev.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-74915173566157644492013-04-14T10:17:56.966-07:002013-04-14T10:17:56.966-07:00michael rosenberg at sports illustrated is shillin...michael rosenberg at sports illustrated is shilling hard for woods, and poo pooing those silly, unfair WASP rules of competitive golf which should probably be stuffed back in the 20th century where they belong, permanently buried along with all other trappings of WASP culture.<br /><br />rosenberg, levin, something similar among these guys, can't put my finger on it...jodynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-82409380648146808782013-04-14T09:36:42.218-07:002013-04-14T09:36:42.218-07:00There is a sad decline in Golf. Vijay Singh used I...There is a sad decline in Golf. Vijay Singh used IGF1 and was told to withdraw from a tournament by sports journalists. He did not.<br /><br />Ray Lewis also availed of the same deer antler spray and when told he should withdraw from the Ravens because of the disgrace his presence would have on their Superbowl team he immediately did so.<br /><br />Well done Ray Lewis and sports journalists shame on you golf.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91080905529938122042013-04-14T09:13:08.284-07:002013-04-14T09:13:08.284-07:00"But then Tiger announced in the press confer..."But then Tiger announced in the press conference that he'd taken two steps back specifically to make his next shot easier. That would have been pretty stupid to do if he'd realized he'd broken the rule, so he didn't know he'd broken the rule."<br /><br />Look, I know next to nothing about golf and its rules, but I should think it pretty obvious that exactly what one is allowed to do when dropping a ball like this is going to be heavily constrained so as not to give oneself a big advantage. Presumably, for example, you can't toss it, you can't walk ten steps away, etc.<br /><br />How could Tiger Woods not realize that giving himself an advantage might be exactly the sort of thing the relevant rule would prohibit? Is it really possible this didn't even occur to him, and that he had better know the exact rule before he performs the act? <br /><br />Here ignorance seems equivalent to stupidity. Or maybe he just felt that no one would dare call him on his flouting of a rule?candid_observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-20254480661130293022013-04-14T08:43:02.593-07:002013-04-14T08:43:02.593-07:00The point is that the officials' decision to a...The point is that the officials' decision to accept the drop before Tiger signed his scorecard protects him from disqualification.narmnonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45778241718738452752013-04-14T07:59:43.114-07:002013-04-14T07:59:43.114-07:00"Yes, she was nonwhite so the officials showe..."Yes, she was nonwhite so the officials showed no mercy.<br /><br />According to the gringo rule the argentinian nobleman de vincenzo was a wetback no better than the newly arrived mestizo and he www treated that way.<br /><br />Now the gringos are tasting their own medicine by the golf god they created. Serves them right."<br /><br />The gringos made the decision. How is that a taste of their own medicine.<br /><br />Stadler is white and they dg'd him when he put a towel down to keep his pants from getting wet when he knelt down. Nobody called him on it at the time.<br /><br />Why do all these Asians have to move to white countries? They have no business here, just like Mexicans don't.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-44049432228662393982013-04-14T07:07:28.103-07:002013-04-14T07:07:28.103-07:00Well, it certainly will be interesting if he comes...Well, it certainly will be interesting if he comes back and wins today.Automatic_Wing https://www.blogger.com/profile/10174899673368042634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-79014209365348445102013-04-14T07:03:07.566-07:002013-04-14T07:03:07.566-07:00This is probably sort of a Goldfinger moment for L...This is probably sort of a Goldfinger moment for Levin. In <i>Goldfinger</i>, Bond cheats to disqualify the cheating oligarch villain in a last second reversal of a game played for a bar of gold.<br /><br />00Tiger (and Levin) cheats to rightfully win back for the black man (and vicarious Jews) what the white man stole from him.Svigornoreply@blogger.com