tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post8769994222901614197..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: The dogs of TurkeyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-54721978820332800922009-10-13T10:48:07.845-07:002009-10-13T10:48:07.845-07:00I was there last august.
It was a like a miracle.
...I was there last august.<br />It was a like a miracle.<br />...sultanahmethttp://www.sultanahmet1.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-42231592409735729892009-06-09T19:21:22.592-07:002009-06-09T19:21:22.592-07:00Developed countries have animal rescue organizatio...Developed countries have animal rescue organizations such as the SPCA to care for abandoned animals. There are also many smaller rescue organizations, some of which are are involved in rescuing certain breeds. And there are many informal rescue networks that operate through email groups. I belong to several pug email groups, and often a call will go out to transport a rescue. People will come forward and volunteer to transport the animal along one leg of the journey.<br /><br />Some organizations and individuals try to rescue dogs from foreign lands. A number of US servicemen have found ways of bringing dogs home from Iraq. I know someone who is trying to adopt a dog with four white socks from Taiwan, where such dogs are considered to be bad luck, and are often abandoned. My daughter knows someone who brought home a van full of dogs from Mexico to Victoria, Canada. <br /><br />I wonder if it is possible that genetics differences are involved in the degree to which people and possibly ethnic groups have weaker or stronger instincts to care to small helpless creatures such as babies and animals. Could there be some connection between the Chinese custom of abandoning baby girls on hillsides and their unsentimental treatment of dogs and cats?<br /><br />In Canada, about the only place you will find packs of neglected dogs roaming is on Indian reserves. This past winter there were three separate cases of starving, abandoned horses on Indian reserves in British Columbia. Normally something like horses left to starve would create a great outcry among animal lovers, but because it was on Indian reserves hardly a word was said, since people are afraid of being branded a racist if they criticize anything Indians do. <br /><br />But who knows whether the Indians neglect their animals and children because of weak instincts to care for them, or simply because most of them are too drunk to know what they are doing. There is certainly evidence that their tragic tendency to addiction is genetic.Melykinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-72313758173403976462009-06-09T14:15:50.081-07:002009-06-09T14:15:50.081-07:00So whatever it is that makes the difference, havin...<i>So whatever it is that makes the difference, having your dog fixed is not it</i>.<br /><br />How likely is it a stray dog would survive the winter in Norway?Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10330712047609650184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52443038717570122362009-06-09T07:29:27.203-07:002009-06-09T07:29:27.203-07:00I don't know about Sweden, but I live in Norwa...I don't know about Sweden, but I live in Norway and it is very uncommon to have your dog fixed here. However, we don't have packs of dogs roaming the streets/countryside as you say they do in Turkey. So whatever it is that makes the difference, having your dog fixed is not it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2545970434481219622009-06-08T22:47:34.146-07:002009-06-08T22:47:34.146-07:00ogunsiron said...
...For most non-europeans, dogs...<i> ogunsiron said... <br />...For most non-europeans, dogs belong outside, whether they're beloved animals or not. </i><br /><br />I wonder why that is. Europeans (maybe not southern or eastern Europeans so much), and descendants of Europeans, often treat their dogs and cats almost like children. I have 3 dogs on my lap as I write this. <br /><br />I think some people of non-European decent who are living in Canada also treat dogs and cats like family. And even very poor people do this--for example people living on the street often have a dog that is sometimes better fed than its human.<br /><br />Maybe this phenomenon is the result of small families, and the pets are the recipients of surplus maternal/paternal feelings. But if this were the case then dogs and cats should be very well loved in China, where they eat dogs :(<br /><br />Why do people in Muslim countries have huge families? Is Islam opposed to birth control?Melykinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-26031712971188673642009-06-08T15:07:54.900-07:002009-06-08T15:07:54.900-07:00"Steve's pissed off with Germans lately.&..."Steve's pissed off with Germans lately."<br /><br />Well, they started it.rastnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-61872351390142571322009-06-08T13:59:42.471-07:002009-06-08T13:59:42.471-07:00Are unwanted dogs "resettled" to the Mes...Are unwanted dogs "resettled" to the Mesopotamian desert?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13385258852369672782009-06-08T12:27:28.921-07:002009-06-08T12:27:28.921-07:00As a Turk that has been living in America since mi...As a Turk that has been living in America since middle school, I am stunned how American's treat their pets. Humans are starvign through out the world and Americans are buying sweaters for their dogs.<br /><br />Turks do have reductions. Once every two to three years the local government will announce that any dogs on the street during a a set date will be taken and put to sleep. Owners who fail to keep track of their dogs, will lose their dogs for good.<br /><br />And for those that do not know, a dog and cat is permissible as a pet as long as it serves a purpose. Guard dogs and cats for rats etc..<br /><br />Since we won't enter our houses with shoes on, we sure as hell won't allow a dog to come inside.TurkishThoughtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-73770609241808448452009-06-08T03:58:55.288-07:002009-06-08T03:58:55.288-07:00"Most of the few yappy, hyper dogs in Turkey ...<i>"Most of the few yappy, hyper dogs in Turkey were held on leashes by German tourists."</i><br /><br><br><br />Steve's pissed off with Germans lately.headachenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37773169672206272702009-06-08T00:29:27.524-07:002009-06-08T00:29:27.524-07:00Steve, was your talk at the Property and Freedom S...Steve, was your talk at the Property and Freedom Society recorded? Will we see it on youtube eventually?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-29692527762898721032009-06-07T14:22:27.734-07:002009-06-07T14:22:27.734-07:00On my first trip to Romania in '98, I wondered...On my first trip to Romania in '98, I wondered how both dogs and chickens could run loose in the street without the latter becoming extinct. I suspected that chicken-killing dogs were weeded out of the population pretty quickly. When I later adopted Romanian teenagers a few years later, they confirmed this with wry smiles. Then they reminisced about seeing a dog hung by the side of the road on their way to school once.Assistant Village Idiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978011985085795099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-86191712062683839202009-06-07T13:42:35.770-07:002009-06-07T13:42:35.770-07:00On a brief trip through Turkey, I saw a few dogs b...On a brief trip through Turkey, I saw a few dogs but many more cats. Cats have overrun the Sultanahmet (tourist) district of Istanbul, and seem to survive on scraps from butchers, fishmongers, housewives, etc.<br /><br />Istanbul also has a cresting trend with stray dogs. They slowly become more populous, a breaking point is reached, the city government rounds up the strays and has them released far away (or put down?), and for years or a decade or so the city is largely free of them.<br /><br />As I recall there is an uninhabited island in the Sea of Marmara that is inhabited with the descendants of captured Istanbul mutts.<br /><br />In Cappadocia I ate at a rustic restaurant that had a pair of indoor cats that would lounge on diners' laps.<br /><br />In the high plateaus and mountains of Anatolia, the Kurdish sheepdog is occasionally seen. They are HUGE, very assertive, and possibly dangerous to strangers.<br /><br />The most European areas (Izmir, the western and southern coasts) do have some Turkish cat or dog owners. But dogs in particular are seen as unclean, and most cats spend most of their lives outdoors. It's a Heathcliff situation.Masonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-34937496328689781662009-06-07T13:14:23.456-07:002009-06-07T13:14:23.456-07:00Turkey is a beautiful country. Very clean. I was ...Turkey is a beautiful country. Very clean. I was there last October. Great weather.<br /><br />Anyway the Turks kind of reminded me of Texans. They are so into Turkey. They are a real bunch of flag wavers. Turkish flags everywhere. When I got back to Texas, I saw a guy driving a big black dualie pickup with dark tinted windows. He had two Turkish flag stickers on his back window. One on the left and one on right. I just had to smile. <br /><br />Greece has the same dog thing. They round up the dogs, neuter them and let back on the street. I guess people feed them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-45131187704570312232009-06-07T13:04:05.313-07:002009-06-07T13:04:05.313-07:00Some countries have eradication days.
Belize is o...Some countries have eradication days.<br /><br />Belize is one.<br /><br />http://sanpedrosun.net/old/06-432.html<br /><br />"stray-management practices on the island presently involve the use of the strychnine poisoned bait to euthanize roaming dogs, a method which presents significant risks to wildlife, pets and human health, particularly children, who can find, touch, and potentially ingest uneaten bait."<br /><br />I am totally opposed to this method, but it does show you needn't have the sensibilities of Sweden to exert control in society.silly girlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-39155138643723201262009-06-07T12:30:58.266-07:002009-06-07T12:30:58.266-07:00Any cats around?
Simon Newman, a British woman wh...Any cats around?<br /><br />Simon Newman, a British woman who acquired a 'cheap' property in Romania or Bulgaria (or Slovakia etc.) was eaten alive by a pack of stray dogs not that long ago.sj071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-3320948102005195312009-06-07T09:30:26.416-07:002009-06-07T09:30:26.416-07:00--Isn't that Peter Brimelow in the center fore...--Isn't that Peter Brimelow in the center foreground?--<br /><br />Yes, and his wife looks like his grand-daughter. What a badass.<br />___________________________________<br /><br />37 year age difference. Gives me hope for the future. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-59372141797844236272009-06-07T06:42:43.091-07:002009-06-07T06:42:43.091-07:00Are cats beloved or considered utilitarian? and fi...<i>Are cats beloved or considered utilitarian? and finally-- Why the hell did you holiday in Turkey? Oz, Kiwi Land, Swiss Miss Land I can see but THERE?...</i><br /><br />Well, apparently because he had a conference. But it's also one of the most beautiful, historic places on earth. If you want to see stunning Greek ruins, or Roman ruins, or awe-inspiring churches and mosques, or Crusader castles, etc. go to Turkey. Whatever Kipling may say, sometimes East and West do meet.keypusherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07176947522040838625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-60272840899616186372009-06-07T06:09:51.884-07:002009-06-07T06:09:51.884-07:00Dogs lying around all over the place in Thailand t...Dogs lying around all over the place in Thailand too. (Well, in Pattaya, anyway.)silverhttp://accidentaldissent.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-2616771325264943512009-06-06T22:45:44.288-07:002009-06-06T22:45:44.288-07:00Steve, dogs in third world-ish places tend to be l...Steve, dogs in third world-ish places tend to be loaded with parasites, which is a very effective way to make a dog laid back. <br /><br />-Occam from Hacker NewsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66475863188666996182009-06-06T22:32:31.545-07:002009-06-06T22:32:31.545-07:00One further thought about the free roaming dogs of...One further thought about the free roaming dogs of my Ann Arbor childhood: It wasn't that uncommon to see a pair of dogs "doing it in the road." Highly educational for the kiddies! (And certainly healthier than a lot of the stuff kids are routinely exposed to today).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-17752018687737005752009-06-06T22:08:28.472-07:002009-06-06T22:08:28.472-07:00--Isn't that Peter Brimelow in the center fore...--Isn't that Peter Brimelow in the center foreground?--<br /><br />Yes, and his wife looks like his grand-daughter. What a badass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-922083594355721762009-06-06T21:25:07.162-07:002009-06-06T21:25:07.162-07:00One of my fondest childhood memories is walking to...One of my fondest childhood memories is walking to school , accompanied by the leader of the local neighborhood stray dogs pack that i had befriended. I'd leave home, pick him up a couple of minutes later at his usual spot and he'd walk with me to school and then go back to his pack. He wasn't really a domesticated dog that you could pet but he was very friendly to me.<br /><br />About dogs living outside : <br />It's not really a muslim thing imho. For most non-europeans, dogs belong outside, whether they're beloved animals or not.ogunsironnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-19921067451126842382009-06-06T21:16:48.904-07:002009-06-06T21:16:48.904-07:00Did you skip the group photo, Steve?
http://www....Did you skip the group photo, Steve? <br /><br />http://www.propertyandfreedom.org/resources/pfs-group-2008-05.JPG<br /><br />Isn't that Peter Brimelow in the center foreground?Muswell Hillbillynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-88615052305454893982009-06-06T20:20:36.417-07:002009-06-06T20:20:36.417-07:00"Nice" to see your stay at the Property ..."Nice" to see your stay at the Property and Freedom Society event produced one post on Turkish dogs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-87061207846237681662009-06-06T18:14:32.687-07:002009-06-06T18:14:32.687-07:00Sounds like Paris. You can spot a dog owner by the...Sounds like Paris. You can spot a dog owner by the fact that he is walking about 50 yards behind, and on the opposite side of the street from, his dog, which is basically urinating in every storefront entrance and occasionally crapping in particularly inviting ones. Only when the dog has adequately relieved himself and is ready to go home do dog and master acknowledge their relationship and rejoin each other.<br /><br />I once thought the French ought to have a big revolutionary ceremony under the Eiffel Tower, in which the French President coaxingly introduced a French dog to a leash, to the tears, boos and general lamentations of the Parisian populace.Henry Canadaynoreply@blogger.com