tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post8882078452387504894..comments2024-03-15T20:52:26.967-07:00Comments on Steve Sailer: iSteve: "The Mismeasure of Science"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger67125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8635989534355947832012-03-29T05:57:00.005-07:002012-03-29T05:57:00.005-07:00I suspect that the reason people buy that Gould ha...I suspect that the reason people buy that Gould has been refuted by a group of Pennsylvania anthropolgists is because they tout the fact that they obtained measurements and then bicker over points that if Gould contested, were ancillary to his central arguments, which have not indeed been addressed by these scientists at all. In the dozen or so pages that Gould devotes to Morton's tables, he points out mostly that the sample was flawed and the data misinterpreted, and I don't see how you can read and not agree unless your mind is already made up. What the scientists present is a kind of straw man, and I don't know why people miss this.Finley MacDonaldhttp://deliriumliberty.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37279377582254835392011-06-15T22:57:18.103-07:002011-06-15T22:57:18.103-07:00I shocked, SHOCKED that S. J. Gould would do somet...I shocked, SHOCKED that S. J. Gould would do something so dishonest. He was such a nice man, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52732927989034125502011-06-15T05:44:49.007-07:002011-06-15T05:44:49.007-07:00This story should be investigated by:
http://www...This story should be investigated by: <br /><br />http://www.stinkyjournalism.org/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-15502300006970793462011-06-13T11:34:42.336-07:002011-06-13T11:34:42.336-07:00When the harsh outcomes of evolution are "ref...When the harsh outcomes of evolution are "refuted" by the endless charges of racism, it is certainly time for professional journalism to come in and excavate the actual facts. The accusations against the late Sir Cyril Burt, like this one made against Morton by Gould, were stalled and silenced by actual excavation of details. As far as journalism is concerned, this has a way of not happening, even in the prestigous publications where one would naively assume it would happen.<br />At the moment, facile accusations have been loosened against a London School of Economics academic, Satoshi Kanazawa. In this matter, if history be any guide, as details are brought forth, the story will get less and less attention from the media. However, to those few "cranks" determined to get it all together, what is excavated later on will have high probability of exoneration as against the initial voltage of accusations of racism, racism, racism. One would hope (in vain, it seems) that over time, competent journalists would have "internalized" the special built-in bias journalism seems to have in these topics of lack of equi-potentiality among evolved human groups. If these incidents--Burt, Morton/Gould, Rushton, Kanazawa-- are put in sequence on a spindle, they congeal into an overall theme that confronts journalism with a mirror to its face. It was in about 1981 that the late Richard J. Herrnstein in the ATLANTIC MONTHLY addressed brilliantly the problem of the Media and IQ (Jensenism). This was seminal to the research by Snyderman and Rothman, fully published in 1988. THREE DECADES downstream, it is as though reason and information have had no lasting effect whatsoever upon professional journalism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-37991542135796067922011-06-12T17:06:41.835-07:002011-06-12T17:06:41.835-07:00http://www.modernlibrary.com/top-100/100-best-nonf...http://www.modernlibrary.com/top-100/100-best-nonfiction/<br /><br />Mismeasure of Man is #24.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-13200615965323874812011-06-12T08:24:19.669-07:002011-06-12T08:24:19.669-07:00Why doesn't Gould attract the attention that t...Why doesn't Gould attract the attention that the guys who faked cold fusion did?<br /><br />Still he starred in The Simpsons when he rushed up to the Simpsons house and Lisa expected him to have done work into disproving that they was an angel. He announced that the results were inconclusive and he was only rushing because he wanted to use the bathroom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-81453256894042946942011-06-11T19:48:48.168-07:002011-06-11T19:48:48.168-07:00@ RKU,
Interesting, I hope you find time to write...@ RKU,<br /><br />Interesting, I hope you find time to write up & publish your thoughts at some point.Kiwiguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-4917205950427665892011-06-11T15:36:11.332-07:002011-06-11T15:36:11.332-07:00So RKU, what's the HBD secret that's never...So RKU, what's the HBD secret that's never been discussed before on the internet?TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43420881468572044992011-06-11T13:48:11.680-07:002011-06-11T13:48:11.680-07:00It means that for 85% or so of genetic variation t...<i>It means that for 85% or so of genetic variation there is at least one person in various populations that has the different genes.</i><br /><br />No, that's not what Lewontin's statement means. What it means is that if you take all 7 billion people in the world and compare each to the other 6,999,999,999, then the sum of the genetic differences among the memmbers of the five or six or seven races (i.e., the sum of the differences determined when you compare each member of a race with every other member of the race) would be 5.67 times as great as the sum of the genetic differences determined by comparing each human in the world to every human who is not a member of his race.<br /><br />That is ridiculous, of course, because there will be far more interracial comparisons than intraracial, and the differences reflected in interracial comparisons, on average, will be much greater than those reflected in intraracial comparisons. <br /><br />That's what Lewontin said. If you want to say something else that may actually be true, great.ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-68973874837088462042011-06-11T13:16:24.527-07:002011-06-11T13:16:24.527-07:00Derek Freeman's reputation has taken a hit lat...<i>Derek Freeman's reputation has taken a hit lately.</i><br /><br />Well what about Maartin Orans's book, <i>Not Even Wrong: Margaret Mead, Derek Freeman, and the Samoans</i>?<br /><br />It purports to be unique "because it is the only book on the Mead-Freeman controversy that makes use of Mead's field materials".ben tillmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-7858904664581624612011-06-11T12:58:47.149-07:002011-06-11T12:58:47.149-07:00Marxist science is not science in the capitalist s...<i>Marxist science is not science in the capitalist sense, but revolutionary - political - action designed to change reality. If you doubt it, ask Lysenko.</i><br /><br />And Marxist science will kill its opponents. If you doubt it, ask Academician Vavilov.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-43568695079055263472011-06-11T12:58:24.736-07:002011-06-11T12:58:24.736-07:00Marxist science is not science in the capitalist s...<i>Marxist science is not science in the capitalist sense, but revolutionary - political - action designed to change reality. If you doubt it, ask Lysenko.</i><br /><br />And Marxist science will kill its opponents. If you doubt it, ask Academician Vavilov.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-65086384427378774682011-06-11T10:56:52.748-07:002011-06-11T10:56:52.748-07:00Kiwiguy: That races had been separated for a mere ...Kiwiguy: <i>That races had been separated for a mere eyeblink? Too short a time for any differences to arise?></i><br /> <br />Certainly not. <br /> <br />I'd actually like to try to publish my theory at some point, and since I'm too busy with other things right now, I'd rather not provide the details. Also, I'm not really sure it's correct, though I think it probably is.<br /> <br />Here's a clue. I really shouldn't have indicated that it's related to HBD issues, since it actually applies to all living organisms, though people and a handful of other species are the only ones in which it probably acts as a very large factor. And if I'm right it may account for the evolutionary origins of many, perhaps even most prominent human traits. It's also one of those ideas which, like Accelerationism, seems almost self-evidently true once you consider it.<br /> <br />Anyway, it's back to my real work for now...RKUnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-84083569482956429442011-06-11T08:19:40.790-07:002011-06-11T08:19:40.790-07:00Udo:
You've drifted.
The subject wasn't ...Udo:<br /><br />You've drifted.<br /><br />The subject wasn't "nonsense" but (deliberate) dishonesty.<br /><br />The past is full of both (just like the present) but, except for unconscious selection bias, they're essentially different roadblocks on any path to truth.Gene Bermannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-52285274478133758512011-06-11T05:38:32.211-07:002011-06-11T05:38:32.211-07:00"I'd bet on the honesty of the cultural c..."I'd bet on the honesty of the cultural context of the 19th century, and the scientists in it, over the current, any day of the week."<br /><br />-That depends- remember that psychoanalysis and all the nonsense of Freud started up in the 19th Century.Udonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69644401054888359152011-06-11T05:32:39.995-07:002011-06-11T05:32:39.995-07:00Gould should have been a climatologist, he could g...Gould should have been a climatologist, he could get away with fudging there.Irving Yatesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-69905085006142735222011-06-11T00:46:47.699-07:002011-06-11T00:46:47.699-07:00A classic example of reflexive thinking on the par...<i>A classic example of reflexive thinking on the part of Gould--of wrongly assuming one's own vantage point is bias-free</i><br /><br />I think you're giving entirely too much credit to Gould, who was a nasty, dishonest piece of work. <br /><br />I do credit Gould's TMOM for opening my eyes to HBD, though. Back in high school I was inclined to side with Gould's position, though completely ignorant of the field, because that's what right-thinking people did. Then I read his book and was struck by how weak it was: full of evasions, calculated point-missing, slippery phrasing and arguments, and sanctimonious table-pounding. If this was supposed to be the knock-down argument against the other side, I decided I needed to learn a lot more about what that side was saying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-46525958793536608392011-06-10T20:06:56.734-07:002011-06-10T20:06:56.734-07:00"Norms would fare better playing at being too..."Norms would fare better playing at being too dumb to follow the PC rules."<br /><br />Spot on. Play dumb, that's what i always do, like the good soldier Svejk.Wandrinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-32958567110057884532011-06-10T19:05:17.060-07:002011-06-10T19:05:17.060-07:00***An addendum. Gould's scientific fraud---oth...***An addendum. Gould's scientific fraud---other aspects of which I'd heard about a long time ago---was one of four or five separate things which several years ago suddenly combined in a blinding flash to illuminate certain very important elements of HBD. ***<br /><br />@ RKU,<br /><br />That races had been separated for a mere eyeblink? Too short a time for any differences to arise?Kiwiguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-91199841929516604622011-06-10T19:04:04.866-07:002011-06-10T19:04:04.866-07:00USA Today reports on the Gould exposure:
http://c...USA Today reports on the Gould exposure:<br /><br />http://content.usatoday.com/communities/sciencefair/post/2011/06/stephen-jay-gould-mismeasured-skulls-in-racial-records-dispute/1Kiwiguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-76907659682206016522011-06-10T18:54:12.200-07:002011-06-10T18:54:12.200-07:00"If you see the liberal gene as a novelty eng..."If you see the liberal gene as a novelty engine and higher IQ people have a competitive advantage in a constantly changing environment then you could see PC as an evolutionary strategy for smart sociopaths."<br /><br />Yes, it makes them the gatekeepers. Beyond this I conflate it with what communist elites end up doing to maintain power. And when things really get cooking, bring in the smart psychopaths. <br /><br />Norms would fare better playing at being too dumb to follow the PC rules. Don't let these jerks start pulling your strings in the first place. Of course, it'd never happen that you had wholesome, sensible, average IQ folk who resisted the manipulation, the agitprop and the outright lies.gfsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-66790182237755450512011-06-10T18:43:27.079-07:002011-06-10T18:43:27.079-07:00"Doesn't seem like Sailer, whose nobility..."Doesn't seem like Sailer, whose nobility is based on his courage to face unpopular truths."<br /><br />Nudge. Interesting book.<br /><br />.<br />"The true believer social scientists just ignored it or claimed a non-existent refutation of these studies and nothing changed."<br /><br />The true believers never believed it, only their students did. If the students stop believing one by one then eventually the wall of pretend belief will collapse like the Soviet Union.<br /><br />.<br />"It goes to show, no matter how smart you are, PC makes you stupid."<br /><br />If you see the liberal gene as a novelty engine and higher IQ people have a competitive advantage in a constantly changing environment then you could see PC as an evolutionary strategy for smart sociopaths.<br /><br />.Wandrinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-18201877273961832482011-06-10T15:45:20.346-07:002011-06-10T15:45:20.346-07:00>The problem with [wishing-makes-it-so] thinkin...>The problem with [wishing-makes-it-so] thinking is that it's sometimes effective in the short term. Lots of coaches tell their teams to think positive going into a game. But if the players stop practicing and relying on happy thought - the results are predictable.<<br /><br />The scientific attitude is to be neither positive nor negative, but to suspend judgment while data are accumulated.<br /><br />Fewer than 1% of homo sapiens are capable of this attitude. On that <1% all fundamental progress depends.<br /><br />The remainders of humanity find even the statement (above) of the scientific attitude outrageous - impossible, dangerous, delusional, antisocial, dishonest, etc.<br /><br />Social science largely ain't. It's a field for the flakes to whirl around in...and bury us deeper in cognitive winter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-8685763544389263882011-06-10T15:33:34.731-07:002011-06-10T15:33:34.731-07:00Crying out in pain as he kicked us.Crying out in pain as he kicked us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9430835.post-12738157997602502952011-06-10T15:28:50.519-07:002011-06-10T15:28:50.519-07:00Thanks Steve. A classic example of reflexive thin...Thanks Steve. A classic example of reflexive thinking on the part of Gould--of wrongly assuming one's own vantage point is bias-free and void of cultural influence as one points out the culture-influenced and biased distortions of another (Morton).mnlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07816137508182175224noreply@blogger.com